In Fl Studio you can do something like that with his Plugin Patcher, really interesting for things like this (You can do this with ableton also with his group plugins function). Very interesting results you have there.
Thanks; I went with where the subs voted for; the one I'll be showcasing in a few weeks time (Got some other videos in the interim) revolves around manipulating the kick tone on a stereo master; very simple routing but incredible effect/power!
Can I get the file please for MetaSynth? I have Meta synth and all the plugs you have in there. I might swap out Hornet for Melda MSaturatorMB or Airwindows Pafnuty. Are you using the free version of Hornet Harmonics or Pro?
for the sides signal, I always find myself boosting low mids. Perhaps you could create a paralell bandpass filter ~200hz with subtle distortion to blend in? For me, wideness is flattering in the low mids (for "power"), and broadly in the 5k-ish upper mids (for "bite"). Perhaps a bidirectional knob could blend in those saturated paralell bandpasses when turned up, and blend in the phase-inverted signal when turned down. I have definitely found myself with similar settings on SlickEQ. Or a different idea: a frequency-tunable "wideness" filter. It consists of 4-8 very narrow bell filters, doing alternating cuts/boosts on the left, and the opposite cuts/boosts on the right. Have a knob for frequency and a knob for gain (in this case, wideness), and maybe a toggle between 4, 6, and 8 bell filters. Just some ideas.
Since it's the "difference" between L and R that make stereo sound wider, applying harmonics or EQ to the "Side" channel is basically adding the same effect to the differences in the L/R channels. For a little extra width, adding different harmonics/EQ to the L and R individually should be more noticeable - if they were dynamic it could add even more "difference" in a subtle way. I have been tinkering with this idea using Melda's MXXX, which is like having your own plugin "chemistry set". It's real "lab coat" stuff, but once you get your head around it you can replicate most plugins whilst adding your own "flavour" or features that the big boys may have missed!
Hey Mix Phantom; That's a really great insight re: seperate harmonics to the L & R, I might do more research behind how different harmonic series/changes between those channels effect the coherency/phase symmetry for the centre image and then see what limitations / bounds that places on how to impliment; I'm a bit annoyed at this particular build; because the concept is solid; but it wasn't until I was playing with it, I realised there are some upper and lower bounds to its effectiveness;
@@panorama_mastering i see you have kelvin. when changing the spread setting to wide it works by introducing variation in the harmonics in the left and right channels. as mentioned above basslane works similarly
Hey man! Really love your videos! I bought Dynone, bass lane and meta because of your videos) can you do more videos how to use meta like this? I think this plugin has super potential but I not smart enough to came up with ideas like this! Also I can’t find manual for it anywhere, is it possible to create knobs for mapped parameters? I mapped them but can’t understand how to control them without opening plugins in meta
Thanks mate! Definitely more work to do in the background for it to be a viable and user-end plugin, but appreciate the sentiment; keep your eyes peeled because I have several other concepts I'll be publishing here on the channel, for full transparency; the people who watch these video's steer the ship; I'm a student to the process so constructive feedback is always welcome!
Very nice ) Thank you. One question - how come that if you do locut filter in parallel not in a linear-phase mode you don't have any issues like phasing effect ?
@@panorama_mastering sorry, I've forgotten you're doing it to the side only. Totally makes sense. BTW the video you've provided is something voodooblackmagic. Amazing stuff. Thank you
An option to take info from the sides and inject that into the mids would be useful and also the other way around, taking mid info and injecting that to the sides with LPF and HPF to hone in on the range you want to process.
@@panorama_mastering Mathew Lane also makes a hardware unit for adjusting the stereo image called 'SPACECRAFT' but his plugin is really great and follows the same idea. But I like that I can select a range to adjust and I think that would work well for what you are trying out here :)
The dynamic range it introduces to the song jeez and able to be loud too
In Fl Studio you can do something like that with his Plugin Patcher, really interesting for things like this (You can do this with ableton also with his group plugins function). Very interesting results you have there.
Thanks; I went with where the subs voted for; the one I'll be showcasing in a few weeks time (Got some other videos in the interim) revolves around manipulating the kick tone on a stereo master; very simple routing but incredible effect/power!
Cool video! Excited to keep bouncing ideas around
More to come!!!
Can I get the file please for MetaSynth? I have Meta synth and all the plugs you have in there. I might swap out Hornet for Melda MSaturatorMB or Airwindows Pafnuty. Are you using the free version of Hornet Harmonics or Pro?
for the sides signal, I always find myself boosting low mids. Perhaps you could create a paralell bandpass filter ~200hz with subtle distortion to blend in?
For me, wideness is flattering in the low mids (for "power"), and broadly in the 5k-ish upper mids (for "bite").
Perhaps a bidirectional knob could blend in those saturated paralell bandpasses when turned up, and blend in the phase-inverted signal when turned down.
I have definitely found myself with similar settings on SlickEQ.
Or a different idea: a frequency-tunable "wideness" filter. It consists of 4-8 very narrow bell filters, doing alternating cuts/boosts on the left, and the opposite cuts/boosts on the right. Have a knob for frequency and a knob for gain (in this case, wideness), and maybe a toggle between 4, 6, and 8 bell filters.
Just some ideas.
Since it's the "difference" between L and R that make stereo sound wider, applying harmonics or EQ to the "Side" channel is basically adding the same effect to the differences in the L/R channels. For a little extra width, adding different harmonics/EQ to the L and R individually should be more noticeable - if they were dynamic it could add even more "difference" in a subtle way. I have been tinkering with this idea using Melda's MXXX, which is like having your own plugin "chemistry set". It's real "lab coat" stuff, but once you get your head around it you can replicate most plugins whilst adding your own "flavour" or features that the big boys may have missed!
Hey Mix Phantom;
That's a really great insight re: seperate harmonics to the L & R, I might do more research behind how different harmonic series/changes between those channels effect the coherency/phase symmetry for the centre image and then see what limitations / bounds that places on how to impliment;
I'm a bit annoyed at this particular build; because the concept is solid; but it wasn't until I was playing with it, I realised there are some upper and lower bounds to its effectiveness;
@@panorama_mastering Two days after my comment "BASSLANE Pro" is released! Check out Dom Sigalas's review
@@panorama_mastering i see you have kelvin. when changing the spread setting to wide it works by introducing variation in the harmonics in the left and right channels. as mentioned above basslane works similarly
Hey man! Really love your videos! I bought Dynone, bass lane and meta because of your videos) can you do more videos how to use meta like this? I think this plugin has super potential but I not smart enough to came up with ideas like this! Also I can’t find manual for it anywhere, is it possible to create knobs for mapped parameters? I mapped them but can’t understand how to control them without opening plugins in meta
I second this comment.
Will prolly pick this up if you make this a reality, because it sounds like it could be interesting to work with.
Thanks mate! Definitely more work to do in the background for it to be a viable and user-end plugin, but appreciate the sentiment; keep your eyes peeled because I have several other concepts I'll be publishing here on the channel, for full transparency; the people who watch these video's steer the ship; I'm a student to the process so constructive feedback is always welcome!
Maybe if you try a not so transparent compressor...
Very nice ) Thank you. One question - how come that if you do locut filter in parallel not in a linear-phase mode you don't have any issues like phasing effect ?
I'm pretty sure this video sums it up (No pun intended) th-cam.com/video/uZ9WQDojQt8/w-d-xo.html
@@panorama_mastering sorry, I've forgotten you're doing it to the side only. Totally makes sense. BTW the video you've provided is something voodooblackmagic. Amazing stuff. Thank you
An option to take info from the sides and inject that into the mids would be useful and also the other way around, taking mid info and injecting that to the sides with LPF and HPF to hone in on the range you want to process.
Mathew Lane DrMs
Leapwing centre one
@@tomman7729 DrMS does this perfectly, I was more suggesting this feature for a module in Nicholas' chain.
Nice idea; I'll have a look into some of the suggestions (Mathew Lands DrMs)!
@@panorama_mastering Mathew Lane also makes a hardware unit for adjusting the stereo image called 'SPACECRAFT' but his plugin is really great and follows the same idea. But I like that I can select a range to adjust and I think that would work well for what you are trying out here :)
Super meta goes krazy 😀
Yes it does!
Great concept, check out the drMS plugin for some more ideas 🤙
What is that 4 ch mixer plug?
Exactly that stock to plugin doctor, right click on the canvas and you’ll find it there.
Oh, it comes with Metaplugin?
@@marshy_mooYes. It is stock Meta Plugin.
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thanks bro!
Inspiring ;)
Thanks man!
Nice nice but.... Slow down man, and a liiiitle bit of concentration on each part
Noted
I tried 75% playback speed but toooo sloowwww. 85 to 90% would be ace. 😊
Every plugin alliance plugin.
there's more wrong with that song and mix that stereo imaging is not going to fix lmao
in my opinion, you just destroyed the dynamics of the sides
Otherwise it's unusable, looks only as your self-promotion. Thank you.
How's it unusable; this is concept sharing; you can download the metaplugin graph and try it out yourself if you have the plugins;