Heard of Marcel Jurka ? Hes the Frenchman that started the scaled down WWII fighter movement in the 60s. He was a former Luftewaffe pilot who defected in 43 and settled in Paris as a aircraft enginner and started with a design called the Tempete, then the Sirroco which my dad Kenny Heit and I built then he desighned the 51Gnatsum and then the FW190. Both in 1/2 & 3/4 scale. He was one scary dude to fly with when your 12 years old ! I spent my summers at rockford tnen Oshkosh in the 60s and 70s
They sound GREAT on the ground taxiing but when you push up the power they sound like a danged race car. What I'd like to see is an 80% scale, all-metal Mustang that uses a V-12. Now THAT woud be cool!!!
Just does not get any better. I was reading sport aviation the other day that hightlighted a scaled down homebuild P51. Too amazing for words. Have been day dreaming eversince of home building this plane. I was also thinking a V 10 would make this plane sing
I spent some time working with Mr. Jim Stewart back in the late 90s on the proto type aircraft N51S. Jim and Peggy have been friends of mine for many years, and I hated to see the company sold and not continue to produce this great Warbird replica.
I heard that Jim spent 20 years of his life woking to perfect what you see here. I feel people can appreciate what he did when they see it fly. As for engines, you're right agout the sound, thats why I am planning on using 2 of the Viper V-10s, or the Falconer V-12s, as they sound "closer" to the original. The sound of a replica is also something people listen for. Don
I would not put a V-10 in this plane. For one thing, the V-10 sounds like shit compared to the V-8 or V-12. Secondly, you can make just as much power with the Chevy V-8 as you can with the V-10, and it's more reliable, durable...
@Twister051 It is an 85% F-82-F Twin Mustang. Bill Koleno is building a 60% scale all aluminum version that was to be seen at the 2010 Osh Kosh flyin, but no one has seen it fly. Don
@mP51D Carbon fiber. I stand corrected. Thanks. BTW, the Thunder Mustang fuselage length is 75.15% scale and it has a wingspan of 64.32% scale (ie, compared to the real P-51). Just looked it up on their website. BTW, the Thunder is back in production now and the S-51 company owner is trying to get back in the business of producing S-51 kits again.
oh, great video btw. I always have wanted to own a S-51 saving up the coinage, its about 225K now i think. The big thing is im currently designing a V-10 to replace that V-8 in there.
@floydflys72f Actually, there is very little torque roll. Jim Stewart designed the airfoil so that it would't do that. His S-51 demo video and a couple of EAA / homebuilt articles mention the S-51's docility, too.
@Twister051 A Stewart S-51. Bought the very last kit from the company in Czechoslovakia (HPAI) back in the spring of 2003. Have a 100% complete airframe but am still (slowly) acquiring internal/machined parts. Had the money due to a generous USAF bonus but need to acquire the skills how to put the danged thing together. It's going to be a looooong build. Good luck on your F-82.
mi hermano pero ese Avion es de los mismo p51 que yo desde muy pequeno veia Aqui en Republica Dominicana.guao como yo no hay un ser humano que sea tan enfermo especialmente con ese tipo de aviones y otra cosa yo recuerdo que me dijeron que eso aviones los estados unidos lo compro todos me senti tan mal porque dije ya no lo boy A ver jamas aqui en mi pais sigan presentando ese tipo de videos de despegue son un espectaculos...
The website means nothing, most guys who bought S-51's put in their own powerplants. The S-51 was designed for a Chevy V-8 between 454 and 573 CID. This particular model has a Big Block Chevy 502 in it. Hp wise not sure, but most liekly around 500hp. Its about 1CID to 1 HP
Actually, you can get a Full Scale P-51D from Murdo Cameron and sons Aircraft. It would be an all composite air plane and would have an Allison V-12 in it. Check out his website, he has some great info there. Don
@brettt777 S-51s (which are actually around 70% scale), finished/flyable, cost $150-200K. There's a company in Germany (FlugWerks) that builds FULL SIZE P-51 airframes for around $400K (ie, no engine, prop, avionics, instruments or paint).
Actually, the Thunder is not 80% scale. It's somewhere between 70-75% scale and it's most definitely not metal, it's fiberglass. Still a gorgeous plane, though. It's V-12 sounds a lot nicer than the Stewart 51's V-8.
From what I understand the Titan T-51 (also a 75% scale mustang) is a lot easier to fly, and only a takeoff roll of 300 feet. They're also not out of business.
Stewart S-5 1company is in the process of being resurrected. Go to Stewart51.com to get the latest info. New company owner is shooting to have a booth at OSH 2020.
Okay so what does it cost to get into one of these if you started from scratch? And if you can get a 75% scale Mustang kit plane, can you get a full scale "kit" Mustang for less than the $1.5M+ that a real one costs?
Damn, makes me wish I hadn't tore up my 454 in my junkie old camaro. Bought it for $600, but had some oil leak or was eating oil (rings maybe), locked up the engine on a long trip. I would so tear it out of that camaro and put it in an airplane, but god, a 454 is a heavy heavy engine.... this guy must of turbocharged it or something.
Read in kit plane that Stewart sold the rights to the A/C a long time ago. But the company went out o f business. No one knows who has the rites to the S-51. More info check back the issues if kit plane.
@nothsim Actually the guy who owns the rights to the S-51 now is Bill Hudgens. Lives in Montomery, AL. I know him. Bill is trying to resurrect the company.
Plans are not being offered at this time (for the metal version [yes, many years ago there was a wood version that was plans-built], plans were never offered since the designer, Jim Stewart, wanted to only sell the kit in pre-fabricated 'component' pieces) but the current owner, Bill Hudgens, is trying to resurrect the company and start selling more S-51s. Here's their website: (worldwideweb).stewart51.info/home(dot)html
My question... how come nobody building FULL SCALE...? SAME production labor tooling labor...so what 400 #s more material...Chevy 525 cu in motor will easily power...NO armor...no guns ammo...no self sealed tanks no antique radio gear...carbon fiber prop...super charger...
As far as I know Gen3,4 chevs engines are perfect.... small, light(all alloy), fuel injected( so no mixture,carby heat settings to deal with), and are rated at 100% duty cycle!!!!.....to good to waste on cars!!!!!
weirdguy564 - While I applaud Titan for their success in the number of kits sold, the Titan-51 is a very, verrrrry watered down version of the P-51, and no real match for a Stewart S-51. Don't know of any Titan-51 owners who wouldn't trade if given the opportunity. BTW, the current owner, Bill Hudgens, is trying to resurrect the company and start selling more S-51s. Here's their website: (worldwideweb).stewart51.info/home(dot)html He plans on being at Oshkosh (Airventure) 2013.
With the new high speed wing, the LS376/480, or the BMW V12, and the host of updates to the airframe, the T-51D and the T-51B are serious contenders. Also, consider the safety record, and Titan has more replica Mustangs flying than all other kit makers combined. th-cam.com/video/G7tqZl6Njck/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/dO3ChxnihpI/w-d-xo.html
I see this baby wants to torque roll on the ground just like the original I love that Big Block sound awesome guys thanks for sharing!!!
Heard of Marcel Jurka ? Hes the Frenchman that started the scaled down WWII fighter movement in the 60s. He was a former Luftewaffe pilot who defected in 43 and settled in Paris as a aircraft enginner and started with a design called the Tempete, then the Sirroco which my dad Kenny Heit and I built then he desighned the 51Gnatsum and then the FW190. Both in 1/2 & 3/4 scale. He was one scary dude to fly with when your 12 years old ! I spent my summers at rockford tnen Oshkosh in the 60s and 70s
That is pretty sweet.....more impressive than most home-builts out there !
They sound GREAT on the ground taxiing but when you push up the power they sound like a danged race car. What I'd like to see is an 80% scale, all-metal Mustang that uses a V-12. Now THAT woud be cool!!!
Just does not get any better. I was reading sport aviation the other day that hightlighted a scaled down homebuild P51. Too amazing for words. Have been day dreaming eversince of home building this plane. I was also thinking a V 10 would make this plane sing
I spent some time working with Mr. Jim Stewart back in the late 90s on the proto type aircraft N51S. Jim and Peggy have been friends of mine for many years, and I hated to see the company sold and not continue to produce this great Warbird replica.
I'd like to hear more about your V-10 idea. Can you tell me more? Thanks Don
I heard that Jim spent 20 years of his life woking to perfect what you see here. I feel people can appreciate what he did when they see it fly. As for engines, you're right agout the sound, thats why I am planning on using 2 of the Viper V-10s, or the Falconer V-12s, as they sound "closer" to the original. The sound of a replica is also something people listen for. Don
I would not put a V-10 in this plane. For one thing, the V-10 sounds like shit compared to the V-8 or V-12. Secondly, you can make just as much power with the Chevy V-8 as you can with the V-10, and it's more reliable, durable...
Such a beautiful plane.
@Twister051 It is an 85% F-82-F Twin Mustang. Bill Koleno is building a 60% scale all aluminum version that was to be seen at the 2010 Osh Kosh flyin, but no one has seen it fly. Don
nice aeroplane. that airport is somethin else!
@mP51D
Carbon fiber. I stand corrected. Thanks.
BTW, the Thunder Mustang fuselage length is 75.15% scale and it has a wingspan of 64.32% scale (ie, compared to the real P-51). Just looked it up on their website. BTW, the Thunder is back in production now and the S-51 company owner is trying to get back in the business of producing S-51 kits again.
oh, great video btw. I always have wanted to own a S-51 saving up the coinage, its about 225K now i think. The big thing is im currently designing a V-10 to replace that V-8 in there.
pepsi71ocean you could buy a v12 LS motor
@floydflys72f
Actually, there is very little torque roll. Jim Stewart designed the airfoil so that it would't do that. His S-51 demo video and a couple of EAA / homebuilt articles mention the S-51's docility, too.
@Twister051
A Stewart S-51. Bought the very last kit from the company in Czechoslovakia (HPAI) back in the spring of 2003. Have a 100% complete airframe but am still (slowly) acquiring internal/machined parts. Had the money due to a generous USAF bonus but need to acquire the skills how to put the danged thing together. It's going to be a looooong build. Good luck on your F-82.
How's the project coming along..???
any updates.
mi hermano pero ese Avion es de los mismo p51 que yo desde muy pequeno veia Aqui en Republica Dominicana.guao como yo no hay un ser humano que sea tan enfermo especialmente con ese tipo de aviones y otra cosa yo recuerdo que me dijeron que eso aviones los estados unidos lo compro todos me senti tan mal porque dije ya no lo boy A ver jamas aqui en mi pais sigan presentando ese tipo de videos de despegue son un espectaculos...
The website means nothing, most guys who bought S-51's put in their own powerplants. The S-51 was designed for a Chevy V-8 between 454 and 573 CID. This particular model has a Big Block Chevy 502 in it. Hp wise not sure, but most liekly around 500hp. Its about 1CID to 1 HP
Completely AWSOME !
Actually, you can get a Full Scale P-51D from Murdo Cameron and sons Aircraft. It would be an all composite air plane and would have an Allison V-12 in it. Check out his website, he has some great info there. Don
what are the modifictions of the big block of chevy that allow's fly??? thanks to answer
Sounds like a big block Chevy all right.
@brettt777
S-51s (which are actually around 70% scale), finished/flyable, cost $150-200K. There's a company in Germany (FlugWerks) that builds FULL SIZE P-51 airframes for around $400K (ie, no engine, prop, avionics, instruments or paint).
The S-51 is designed for big-block American V8 engines, so I think that's what's running in this one. Sounds like it, anyway ;)
there is one already. it's called the thunder mustang.
Well, Jesus has got a V8 powered airplane!!! Amen!!!
Actually, the Thunder is not 80% scale. It's somewhere between 70-75% scale and it's most definitely not metal, it's fiberglass.
Still a gorgeous plane, though. It's V-12 sounds a lot nicer than the Stewart 51's V-8.
Damn Sweet is what this is.
From what I understand the Titan T-51 (also a 75% scale mustang) is a lot easier to fly, and only a takeoff roll of 300 feet.
They're also not out of business.
Stewart S-5 1company is in the process of being resurrected. Go to Stewart51.com to get the latest info. New company owner is shooting to have a booth at OSH 2020.
@f82man - What are you building and what scale is it?
Good Day, The Thunder Mustang is almost totally made of Carbon Fiber. Later.
@thedriver97 who modify the engine please can i help me or it hasn´t modifications??
Okay so what does it cost to get into one of these if you started from scratch? And if you can get a 75% scale Mustang kit plane, can you get a full scale "kit" Mustang for less than the $1.5M+ that a real one costs?
No.
What engine does it have??? How many horsepower??? Thanks in advance.
That's awesome.
That thing sounds awesome! What does it have under the hood? Definitely sounds like an American V8.
Modified Chevy Big Block V-8.
why can't they just build it like the sw51 ?make the money on production ?
these planes should be 50k or less no more than a car ,,,you need to build it ,,,they should build it all for the price
Damn, makes me wish I hadn't tore up my 454 in my junkie old camaro. Bought it for $600, but had some oil leak or was eating oil (rings maybe), locked up the engine on a long trip. I would so tear it out of that camaro and put it in an airplane, but god, a 454 is a heavy heavy engine.... this guy must of turbocharged it or something.
Read in kit plane that Stewart sold the rights to the A/C a long time ago. But the company went out o f business. No one knows who has the rites to the S-51. More info check back the issues if kit plane.
@nothsim
Actually the guy who owns the rights to the S-51 now is Bill Hudgens. Lives in Montomery, AL. I know him. Bill is trying to resurrect the company.
Plans are not being offered at this time (for the metal version [yes, many years ago there was a wood version that was plans-built], plans were never offered since the designer, Jim Stewart, wanted to only sell the kit in pre-fabricated 'component' pieces) but the current owner, Bill Hudgens, is trying to resurrect the company and start selling more S-51s.
Here's their website: (worldwideweb).stewart51.info/home(dot)html
Titan air sells these
My question... how come nobody building FULL SCALE...? SAME production labor tooling labor...so what 400 #s more material...Chevy 525 cu in motor will easily power...NO armor...no guns ammo...no self sealed tanks no antique radio gear...carbon fiber prop...super charger...
As far as I know Gen3,4 chevs engines are perfect.... small, light(all alloy), fuel injected( so no mixture,carby heat settings to deal with), and are rated at 100% duty cycle!!!!.....to good to waste on cars!!!!!
weirdguy564 -
While I applaud Titan for their success in the number of kits sold, the Titan-51 is a very, verrrrry watered down version of the P-51, and no real match for a Stewart S-51. Don't know of any Titan-51 owners who wouldn't trade if given the opportunity.
BTW, the current owner, Bill Hudgens, is trying to resurrect the company and start selling more S-51s.
Here's their website: (worldwideweb).stewart51.info/home(dot)html
He plans on being at Oshkosh (Airventure) 2013.
Have your thoughts changed now that Titan offers a GM 6.2L LS3? I think that engine probably makes the T-51 a whole new plane.
With the new high speed wing, the LS376/480, or the BMW V12, and the host of updates to the airframe, the T-51D and the T-51B are serious contenders. Also, consider the safety record, and Titan has more replica Mustangs flying than all other kit makers combined. th-cam.com/video/G7tqZl6Njck/w-d-xo.html
th-cam.com/video/dO3ChxnihpI/w-d-xo.html
A lot has happened since you posted this five years ago.
i hv a hard time with these people that live in countries the Usa pays for their heathcare pay your own way and then lets see what you have
you get no range just up and back down build the real thing not the match box
that shit is bad !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!