GO WATCH DIGITAL FOUNDRY'S VIDEO! Check out Digital Foundry’s performance tests here: th-cam.com/video/Y8-97fwkO78/w-d-xo.html -- Digital Foundry contributed critical tests to validate the console's gaming performance. If there were major differences in this aspect of the console revision, it would impact us on the thermal testing side of things. DF's experience in the gaming performance aspect gave us reassurance in our testing, so please check out their video! We're running very low on Volt Modmats! If you want to get one while supporting us, place a back-order here (ships end of September!): store.gamersnexus.net/products/modmat-volt-large Watch our video on thermal cameras: th-cam.com/video/v55u3Xrjf-c/w-d-xo.html Watch our Xbox Series X thermals: th-cam.com/video/Iqv4meZcVEk/w-d-xo.html Watch our Schlieren imaging showing the airflow of the PlayStation 5 & Xbox: th-cam.com/video/8FZ3cQFFZmQ/w-d-xo.html Watch our original PlayStation 5 thermal testing here: th-cam.com/video/MmggkW6usmQ/w-d-xo.html
Seems consoles are now getting quite a bit more respect for their specs than in recent years and I find that refreshing because at the end of the day, we all love our tech and games and should always be a united front as gamers.
@@thelarry383 At the endAustin Eveans was correct despite not using a more precise testing methodology like GamerNexus. the SOC runs hotter, and the memory temps are slightly better. Yes it is hotter and cheaply constructed overall. Performance was never a debate.
@@edubogota1 SOC runs slightly hotter which is fine because it had and still has overhead and the memory is cooler which was something that could be improved. This doesn’t seem cheaply made to me
Something to keep in mind as well: the more surface area for your heat sink, the longer the channel or the wider the area that air has to blow through and over that heat sink. That could at worst-case scenario cause the air to stall if the fan is not powerful enough to push the air through the beefier heat sink. Thus, heat builds up in the heat sink and is much less effective at transferring that heat to the air, because the air sticks around and gets heated up, and the hotter the air around the heat sink means less heat that can transfer to the air, and the hotter the heat sink and by extension the SOC gets. Sure, you could get a stronger fan, but that’s going to affect the power draw of the unit. Sometimes you don’t have the power budget for a beefy fan and, by extension, a beefy heat sink. The trick is to balance good airflow with enough surface area, to prevent too high of a pressure drop across the heat sink and to ensure there is enough surface area to effectively transfer the heat to the air. So Sony making this kind of revision makes some engineering sense! I know this, because my first attempt at a Master’s in Mechanical Engineering was on this subject.
Considering that they're only running the fan at no more than ~18% under full load, it's likely that all they would need to do is have a firmware update to increase that to say 25% and the thermals would improve quite a bit. Perhaps they intentionally left room there to support more demanding games down the line? Or it could be as GN said, and Sony was making sure the PS5 doesn't act like the PS4 and sound like a jet taking off when under load, because a fan that can draw 1.9A at 12V is going to make all kinds of noise at full speed (which is likely going to be 2-3k rpm). Probably sound like the famous Delta fans in some servers (loud AF, but boy does it move air well, as a result of it spinning at like 15k rpm).
I've been able to find a lot of them in Sweden recently. And when I say a lot I mean two websites saying they're in stock in the span of two months. It feels like the extreme shortage is slowly getting better!
@@DantesGrill It certainly seems to be getting better with I'm seeing and hearing many people getting their PS5. Reducing materials without impacting on the thermals on significant level are definitely helping to deal with the shortage since you basically need 300 grams less materials to build a complete PS5. While this is definitely not exact maths, they basically can produce 1 more PS5 for every 12 PS5 produced compared to older styles.
@@IRIStk3 Korea is significantly bigger and arguably more influential to the world compared to Sweden so I'm not surprised we've managed to sneak under the radar. Also, Sweden has stupid taxes added so most probably just buy scalper price instead.
This is borderline "testing methodology porn". And I say this as someone who has worked in Quality Control in an electronic sensor manufacturing company.
I love the disclaimers on testing you put at the start, I'm in pharmaceutical hvac commissioning and basically everyone we talk to doesn't understand that literally EVERYTHING in the environment has an impact on the whole system. You can't just open doors and windows without disturbing the balance. Especially the differential pressures.
lol.. SONY stealing our Large chunk of Copper HeatSink again... ( No wounded Gigabyte AORUS NVMe Gen4 M.2 SSD copper is still the World best in Cooling).............: /
This is one of the reasons why he sleeps so little despite launchin less videos than Linus, quality and care for the Hardcore community over content pumping
Nice to see you guys working/collaborating with Digital Foundry. They're one of my favorite TH-cam channels, very knowledgeable and insightful. Just started watching this video.
@@TheRealCopperFox objectively evaluating looks don't correlate with sexual preference. Ps: beauty can largely be measured by how similar the left and right side is, so don't come at me with it's "It CaNnOt Be MeAsUrEd ObJeCtIvElY". Largely, not fully
Luckily we're not subject to such integrity and we can name call as much as we please. The worst part is - that narcissistic clown has no balls to admit he was wrong, which is something he should do if he respects his own audience even a tiny bit.
Just want to say that we really appreciate the amount of work you've put into this... Hoping for more collabs between you guys and the DF Fam... Love the insightful contents...
So I love the message of the comment. Super supportive, positive, good stuff. I have to ask though, just because I'm curious not to judge. What is the intention of the dots? Is it supposed to be trailing off or show a sad\deppreseed attitude? I don't think so it goes against the content of the comment. Anyways, like I said. I'm just curious. Feal no need to answer if you don't want to.
lol.. SONY stealing our Large chunk of Copper HeatSink again... ( No wounded Gigabyte AORUS NVMe Gen4 M.2 SSD copper is still the World best in Cooling)..................: /
They are literally the only channel other than DF that takes this stuff seriously. OFC I wanna know how hot these get. That way you can increase the lifespan by keeping them as cool as possible. Memory thermals worry me a bit.
19:00 I'm very glad you clarified that. You've always stressed how little liquid metal should be used, and I was very confused because that looked like a pretty significant amount.
Yeah that's a ton of it! I can envision that foam "retention pool" breaking down in 10- 15 years and releasing blobs of liquid metal onto the pcb when the system is moved or disturbed A future problem area for collectors?
@@dralord1307 But FLIR cameras are useful...... useful at fooling stupid 12 y/o's into buying merch coz pretty colours in their fav con persons new YT video.
@@mirlo-rojo We actually do know. DF tested the console in a airflow constrained situation (aka limited fresh air) and they saw no difference. You can see this being shown here 26:29
Like seriously I've had my ps5 for so long that I'm bored with it..then again I've had a 5900x and 3080 for longer and it's obviously way more fun lol.
Yup, an actual scientific test, and not a terrible one done by a tech review clickbait youtuber that has no idea what he's doing (no hate to him) that ends up making the PS5 and Sony look bad for no reason.
I will say that, in my experience, the PS5 stays pretty clean. I live in a desert, dust is abundant, I keep my console on a shelf next to the TV, not enclosed, and standing upright. I received my console in early January of this year, last week I opened it for the first time to clean it. I was really surprised with how little dust there was inside the console. The amount of dust on the fan blades was barely noticeable, most of it was localized on the exhaust vents and even then, it wasn't a whole lot. The console stays pretty clean, in my anecdotal experience.
Luckily I’ve noticed that as long as you don’t smoke or vape the dust tends to stay pretty small and most of it doesn’t stick in the system, it just gets pushed through by the fan
Why did Sony already do a revision they worried there box was not solid like the Xbox or what the excuse for limit in material is weird Xbox nor Nintendo say stuff like this besides the chips that everyone is out of
@@travishastings1414 Sony and all the other manufacturers tend to look at cost cutting continually and what Sony have done here is create a cheaper to make box without compromising quality and yet making small improvements where possible. There is no conspiracy here, it’s normal practice.
@@travishastings1414 revisions have been done for the longest time. Even Nintendo and Sega did this back in the 80s. It is nothing new and is done to reduce cost. This is why consoles tends to be cheaper at the end of their generation.
@@travishastings1414 Every console goes through revisions throughout their lifespans, whether to reduce costs or improve overall construction. The 360 and PS3 each had several revisions of their launch models, for example, before their respective slim models released.
Great job with the controlled experiment. Thanks for looking into the "small heat-sink bad", "high exhaust temp bad" claims. Tho, I think the delivery could use a few diagrams and tables for a more concise and easier to digest format.
@@mourningstar7214 if you truly believe that, tell me under what other system would the motivation and resources be available to buy only create a PlayStation but also afford the opportunity for availability among the populous.
@@mateusmt6194 no, you are correct. But technology for the sole purpose of frivolous entertainment requires motivation. And these companies aren't spending millions upon millions of dollars to developer hardware and software that serves no purpose other than "wasting time". I mean I know the USSR had their attempt with the GulagStation, but that never really got off the ground.
great video. can't imagine how much time it has taken to have so many different tests done. keep it up guys. by the way at 23:15 section the GN logo is obstructing some of the data.
Sometimes, I can't believe what I'm watching, who I'm watching, you're doing so much for people, GN, so much work, with such... passion and conviction. We can't thank you enough, please, continue being you, GN. :)
I can't believe how complex and time consuming some of this testing is. Lots of hard work goes into this, I can see. At first glance, the SoC gets hotter but most of the other components run cooler. This doesn't matter much since boost performance is not affected by temperature, as long as it's running within spec. I guess Sony knows what they're doing with these changes. These consoles are such a technical achievement. For the price, you're not gonna get a better PC but the cost is subsidized by game sales to an extent. New SKU and cooling looks more than adequate. This is the way Sony rolls, launch a console and bring the costs down with revisions and new SKUs over time.
There s absolutely no comparison nowadays between consoles and pc s ... I mean just a similar gpu ,that doesn't even reach the same framerate on pc,will cost you as much as the ps5 digital edition :)
Steve: “The fact that these numbers are so close on a totally different PCB, with new thermal couple runs is a testament to the process we put in place, and we’re proud of that. “ Me: :3
A nice drinking game where you'd be quickly hammered would be drinking every time Steve says ''Technician''. Maybe get a GN Cobalt blue Tear-down Logo Pint Glass set to do that with your Friends from the GN Merch store :D.
In the beginning there was Adam and Eve, oh and Steve. Steve went on to forsee all things wrong in tech and with great hindsight did a full thermal analysis of the PS5 at launch, knowing that one day this Delta measurement would go on to do great things. Today is that day. All praise Steve.
Unfortunately, I think the damage has already been done. I doubt most of the people who saw Austin’s video will seek out actual results like this. It would take Austin making a follow up video to clear up the misinformation he was responsible for.
Unfortunately you are correct, I’ve seen plenty of nonsense by not just the general stupid person but other TH-cam channels just spewing the same stuff Austin said without proof, that’s going to continue for many years. Especially with the fanboys that are more interested in their platform of choice than the truth.
@@Popcorncarn Would you rather the components it’s supposed to be drawing heat from be hotter and the heat sink be cooler because its not absorbing the heat properly?
What misinformation? The heatsink in the new PS5 is in fact worse and runs 5 degrees hotter when measuring the SoC than on the old PS5, so Austin was right.
@@Bellissima2k you’re cherry picking at that point. Literally every other temperature reading was cooler on the new model. To call it a worse cooler is straight up false. You’re completely ignoring the other results
I love how the first section with Rich is called "In the here and now" These references xD Amazing in depth video from the top two channels on benchmarking and reviews.
I'd be interested to see how the console behaves when it actually gets close to the temperature limit. Does it go into panic mode and ramp the fan up to 100%, or does it just stay at 18% and the console shuts off because it's overheating?
It shuts off. The fan speed never varies based on temperature. There is one speed when a game is running, and a lower speed when on the main menu with nothing running. When the console reaches a critical temperature it literally shuts off and gives an error message telling you to wait a few minutes before turning back on.
@@joemamr710 Interesting. That seems like a pretty bad design to me. How did you get it to overheat? Did the thermal performance drop that much over time?
@@EVPointMaster You can get it to overheat by just running it inside of a small plastic box or something. The fan speed does not ever adjust, just two speeds depending on whether any game is running at all or not. It shuts down when it overheats and displays a warning message, and you can find the warning message online.
I had a feeling looking at the new cooler that the original cooler was a bit over-engineered and that there wouldn't be any drastic real world difference in performance.
dont know if true but I heard a "theory" that there was a time crunch at sony to get out with the X box and NOW with 2021 and supplier costs taking off they want and "spent" the R/D to reduce running manufacturing costs
impressive detailed cooling testing methodology..fan manufacturers should be scared in the future! hats off, this is huge amount of work! back to u Steve and lads!
@@armylrs2391 Right but if I put my PC into an enclosed box while gaming, I'm confident it would drop performance quickly and eventually shut off for safety.
Pretty sure its due to the fact that the PS5 doesn't seem to thermal throttle - it just shuts down when it overheats. To put it simply, the console changes GPU and CPU frequencies based on how intense a workload is for the components - heat does not play a factor into it.
@@jamolbonaparte6908 He better be. After doubling down his statement in his response video, being scientifically (with metrics) proven wrong would require a very PUBLIC apology/revisement. As he had caused a markup in 2ndhand prices of 1st gen PS5, and basically defamed any 2nd gen PS5s.
TL;DR - Basically, the SOC runs hotter on the newest model but, the memory runs cooler than the older model. 🤔 Austin Evans was partially right in his assumption that the newest model runs hotter (due to it's smaller heatsink & higher exhaust temperature 🌡️). 🤷🏾♂️ Therefore, the defendant is acquitted. Austin Evans is found to be not guilty. Case is now closed.
@@freddywayne I wish it was as easy as that. The thing is, this statement wasn't made by somebody small online, it's made by a huge brand/persona in TH-cam. The title of the video itself, and the double down statement is that 2nd gen PS5 is worst due to the "vents" being hotter. Do you think the general public would take that statement and consider the other details mentioned? No, they just think that 2nd gen PS5 bad, and 1st gen PS5 good. And guess what the 2nd hand market follow, and though not proven, with the size of his channel he could have cost Sony a LOT of money. So I appreciate your TLDRing, I see it's purpose, but this situation unfortunately can't be simplified into nothing. It has affected people and needs to be rectified.
This was fun content I like how you guys have to put a ton of effort into this just to come to a conclusion of "there isn't a big difference" lol but there is something fascinating how much you tried to find a difference. Respect
Well, all of this started because some people got really angry because somebody suggested their favorite console could run a couple of degrees hotter. But i don't think anybody really cared about the cooler.
@@pumajlr people got upset because of the testing method(really terrible btw)...I.e thermal cameras ..if austin tested like this It would have been aloooot better..really disengenious of you to pretend there werent valid complaints ...also his conclusions were clearly freaking wrong ...as shown by two highly technical reviewers not using thermal exhaust as a valid metric to draw a conclusion on
That Coop was great! Love the quality of your coverage and open explanation of the quality of data. You guys are the best there is for your benchmarking and testing.
Just as i thought, if your lucky enough to own a ps5 it doesn’t really matter which one and there is no performance loss either, can’t wait to get my hands on one. Fantastic work on the video 👏👏👏
I haven't heard of any widespread issues with the first revision overheating so it's safe to say Sony didn't revise it for improved cooling. A cheaper to produce product that has no direct (major) negatives seems to be the intent
There are some rumors that in the firmware updates they got more aggressive with the fan settings for the first version of units. I haven't noticed more noise or any of that, but who knows...
I hardly know anything about the technical side of computers/tech you guys do testing on. But I still enjoy the videos and find them pretty educational. Thank you for this sort of content and I’m always impressed by the wealth of knowledge you and your team has.
Thank you for taking the time to do proper testing. As always you make it so easy to follow along and understand the content. Any random person can point a thermal camera app and make an uniformed conclusion... thank you for not being that random guy!
It really just hit me that I'm spending hours of my life watching incredibly detailed analysis of consoles and graphics cards that I won't be able to buy for at least a year. Anyways, keep up the great work as always 👍
@@azrael_pendragon Actually yeah. After setting alarms to catch restocks, memorizing all the patterns, being ready seconds after stock dropped, I had... absolutely ZERO luck. Thankfully, I had the opportunity to wait 15hrs in front of a BestBuy and was able to buy one. I walked around a puddle in Apex Legends the other day and the reflection was extra shiny. Life is good.
@@hitler69 Nah, im sure it was some for some but you also had then you compound the issue with the wack-ass testing method. Its a mixture of both. Glad to see that he was basically invalided. like what we thought would be the case.
I'm not one to keep up with gaming news, I don't even have a current gen console, but this video is very well presented and has a lot of interesting technical considerations and comparisons. First video I've seen of yours, great job!
GO WATCH DIGITAL FOUNDRY'S VIDEO! Check out Digital Foundry’s performance tests here: th-cam.com/video/Y8-97fwkO78/w-d-xo.html -- Digital Foundry contributed critical tests to validate the console's gaming performance. If there were major differences in this aspect of the console revision, it would impact us on the thermal testing side of things. DF's experience in the gaming performance aspect gave us reassurance in our testing, so please check out their video!
We're running very low on Volt Modmats! If you want to get one while supporting us, place a back-order here (ships end of September!): store.gamersnexus.net/products/modmat-volt-large
Watch our video on thermal cameras: th-cam.com/video/v55u3Xrjf-c/w-d-xo.html
Watch our Xbox Series X thermals: th-cam.com/video/Iqv4meZcVEk/w-d-xo.html
Watch our Schlieren imaging showing the airflow of the PlayStation 5 & Xbox: th-cam.com/video/8FZ3cQFFZmQ/w-d-xo.html
Watch our original PlayStation 5 thermal testing here: th-cam.com/video/MmggkW6usmQ/w-d-xo.html
Create a mainboard with identical (artificial-?)heatsources with built-in sensors to get a more accurate in case heat dissipation test.
Also check out Aris' video, his channel is called Hardware Busters
In the DF section your logo watermark obscures the FPS numbers at the top right (24:30)
How long before we get back to pc?
Or can you at least liquid nitrogen cool a console an overclock them? 🤔🥶🤫🤭
GN and DF teaming up. What a great day.
"Back to you, Steve."
"Thanks, Richard."
Love it.
My only problem with this is that he didn't open with "Thanks, Steve." :D
The collab we didn't know we needed. Great work all round.
💁♂️🙆♂️🙌🤲 Needs more hand movement too.
@@TheWitch297 the benefit of generous hand movements is that YOU CAN LITERALLY SEE IT!
Back to you xbot
Back in my day, you could buy products when they came out.
"In stock?" I haven't heard that name in 84 years...
Have you forgotten about my buddy and carebears?
@@GamersNexus I remember in stock's little brother at MSRP.
Pepperidge Farm remembers
Ah yes, November 19th 2006, ye good ol days of abundant stock.
It took literally a revision of a console controversy to finally have the best tech collaboration that a gamer can possibly dream of. Keep it coming!
Thank you Austin Evans for being a click baiting clown.
Seems consoles are now getting quite a bit more respect for their specs than in recent years and I find that refreshing because at the end of the day, we all love our tech and games and should always be a united front as gamers.
@Grizmark if only he was that intelligent and self sacrificing to do it on purpose.
@@thelarry383 At the endAustin Eveans was correct despite not using a more precise testing methodology like GamerNexus. the SOC runs hotter, and the memory temps are slightly better. Yes it is hotter and cheaply constructed overall. Performance was never a debate.
@@edubogota1 SOC runs slightly hotter which is fine because it had and still has overhead and the memory is cooler which was something that could be improved. This doesn’t seem cheaply made to me
Something to keep in mind as well: the more surface area for your heat sink, the longer the channel or the wider the area that air has to blow through and over that heat sink. That could at worst-case scenario cause the air to stall if the fan is not powerful enough to push the air through the beefier heat sink. Thus, heat builds up in the heat sink and is much less effective at transferring that heat to the air, because the air sticks around and gets heated up, and the hotter the air around the heat sink means less heat that can transfer to the air, and the hotter the heat sink and by extension the SOC gets. Sure, you could get a stronger fan, but that’s going to affect the power draw of the unit. Sometimes you don’t have the power budget for a beefy fan and, by extension, a beefy heat sink.
The trick is to balance good airflow with enough surface area, to prevent too high of a pressure drop across the heat sink and to ensure there is enough surface area to effectively transfer the heat to the air. So Sony making this kind of revision makes some engineering sense!
I know this, because my first attempt at a Master’s in Mechanical Engineering was on this subject.
Exactly what I was trying to explain to some people, you put it better than I could
Considering that they're only running the fan at no more than ~18% under full load, it's likely that all they would need to do is have a firmware update to increase that to say 25% and the thermals would improve quite a bit.
Perhaps they intentionally left room there to support more demanding games down the line? Or it could be as GN said, and Sony was making sure the PS5 doesn't act like the PS4 and sound like a jet taking off when under load, because a fan that can draw 1.9A at 12V is going to make all kinds of noise at full speed (which is likely going to be 2-3k rpm). Probably sound like the famous Delta fans in some servers (loud AF, but boy does it move air well, as a result of it spinning at like 15k rpm).
@@44R0Ndin The PS5 definitely has a ton of overhead in terms of cooling, it’s just a matter of noise like you said
So how many attempt did you take to get a master?
🤓
Great to see such a mainstream tech product get so vigorously tested. This just great for the consumer.
TLDR: Both versions are fundamentally the same and just as out of stock.
You have my thanks stranger
I've been able to find a lot of them in Sweden recently. And when I say a lot I mean two websites saying they're in stock in the span of two months. It feels like the extreme shortage is slowly getting better!
@@DantesGrill What sites?
@@DantesGrill It certainly seems to be getting better with I'm seeing and hearing many people getting their PS5. Reducing materials without impacting on the thermals on significant level are definitely helping to deal with the shortage since you basically need 300 grams less materials to build a complete PS5. While this is definitely not exact maths, they basically can produce 1 more PS5 for every 12 PS5 produced compared to older styles.
@@IRIStk3 Korea is significantly bigger and arguably more influential to the world compared to Sweden so I'm not surprised we've managed to sneak under the radar. Also, Sweden has stupid taxes added so most probably just buy scalper price instead.
I like the bespoke testing methodology Gamers Nexus uses in the here and now.
This is borderline "testing methodology porn".
And I say this as someone who has worked in Quality Control in an electronic sensor manufacturing company.
Am surprised digital foundry didn't spilt his hole and destroyed it, I really wanted them to do it 🤣
By and large, it's a comprehensive testing, my only criticism is not enough motion blur.
"It's back to Steve"
"Thanks, Richard!"
I chuckled a little.
I love the disclaimers on testing you put at the start, I'm in pharmaceutical hvac commissioning and basically everyone we talk to doesn't understand that literally EVERYTHING in the environment has an impact on the whole system. You can't just open doors and windows without disturbing the balance. Especially the differential pressures.
I can't believe I'm alive to see this legendary tech channel crossover
Best anime crossover post 2000's
Nice to see you here😊😅
Big fan sir
Austin one was cool too 👍🏼.
lol.. SONY stealing our Large chunk of Copper HeatSink again... ( No wounded Gigabyte AORUS NVMe Gen4 M.2 SSD copper is still the World best in Cooling).............: /
What a video Steve, this is world class production. Absolute perfection dude.
not perfect i can't see the right corner information because of that damn watermark..
@@ph7947 These guys are so OCD, I bet you the video gets reuploaded
Yep
This is one of the reasons why he sleeps so little despite launchin less videos than Linus, quality and care for the Hardcore community over content pumping
É sim senhor. Bom ver tugas por aqui !
Nice to see you guys working/collaborating with Digital Foundry. They're one of my favorite TH-cam channels, very knowledgeable and insightful. Just started watching this video.
Steve Burke is so consistent, i really am blown away with the content he delivers.
I'm blown away by his beauty.
@@lees5313 he is a beautiful person.
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@@TheRealCopperFox objectively evaluating looks don't correlate with sexual preference.
Ps: beauty can largely be measured by how similar the left and right side is, so don't come at me with it's "It CaNnOt Be MeAsUrEd ObJeCtIvElY".
Largely, not fully
Which Is revealig Sony Is a swindler. In your face.
This video is open, ethical and professional AF.
Which Is proof of Sony lying to use with a worst product sold as The same.
@@samuelfernandez4000 ?
Kudos, Steve, for getting through this entire video without once mentioning Austin's name. You, sir, are a class act.
Luckily we're not subject to such integrity and we can name call as much as we please. The worst part is - that narcissistic clown has no balls to admit he was wrong, which is something he should do if he respects his own audience even a tiny bit.
I guess you should have referred to him as 'Hey guys', that way there wouldn't have been any mention of his name at all lol.
Who Austin ?
@@Dawg99999 Evans
@@austinturner1995Whos Evans ?
Just got home perfect timing! Finally a video that doesn't get uploaded the moment I plan to sleep.
But uploading videos at random is our specialty!
@@GamersNexus randomly hitting my sleep schedule each 2nd upload haha, but the content is at least worth staying up for keep up the great work!
@@GamersNexus I always stay up till midnight to watch new GN videos...or maybe it's my abysmal sleep schedule, who knows.
Actually it dose not matter .
Because not all the GN viewers form US , and this is TH-cam not TV so you can watch anytime you are free .
@@GamersNexus You're better at uploading at videos than Dell!
The first timestamp is labelled "Featuring BESPOKE Digital Foundry Testing"...I see what you guys did there...nicely done 😆
hahahaha, was wondering who'd catch it!
@@GamersNexus Great collab work guys! Loved the video, as thorough as always. Would love to see more from the FrankenConsole, personally.
If it's not Bespoke, then we don't want it.
FULL FAT cooler *hand gestures*
Lacking English here.. where is the catch?!?
Just want to say that we really appreciate the amount of work you've put into this... Hoping for more collabs between you guys and the DF Fam... Love the insightful contents...
So I love the message of the comment. Super supportive, positive, good stuff.
I have to ask though, just because I'm curious not to judge.
What is the intention of the dots? Is it supposed to be trailing off or show a sad\deppreseed attitude?
I don't think so it goes against the content of the comment.
Anyways, like I said. I'm just curious. Feal no need to answer if you don't want to.
@@Sir.Craze- just a typing habit that I've developed overtime haha...
lol.. SONY stealing our Large chunk of Copper HeatSink again... ( No wounded Gigabyte AORUS NVMe Gen4 M.2 SSD copper is still the World best in Cooling)..................: /
Now *this* is how you collect and present the hollistic data. Much deserved praise for this one, more collabs would be welcome!
This Is How you throw shit to you consumers AND they defend you 🤣🤣🤣
Mad respect as always for testing something like this for a console, it's extremely interesting to me and I'm glad you guys enjoy doing this too.
They are literally the only channel other than DF that takes this stuff seriously. OFC I wanna know how hot these get. That way you can increase the lifespan by keeping them as cool as possible. Memory thermals worry me a bit.
19:00 I'm very glad you clarified that. You've always stressed how little liquid metal should be used, and I was very confused because that looked like a pretty significant amount.
Yeah that's a ton of it!
I can envision that foam "retention pool" breaking down in 10- 15 years and releasing blobs of liquid metal onto the pcb when the system is moved or disturbed
A future problem area for collectors?
@@volvo09 Looks like EPDM foam. Same stuff as rubber radiator hoses. Good to 100°C sustained. It will be fine, as long as the adhesive holds up.
Every TH-camr: “I tested with my thermal camera!”
Steve with sunglasses: “Step the fuck aside people.”
The cocksuckery is strong with this one
@@sujimayne praising proper testing is cocksuckery?
I think we should leave thermal cameras to where they are useful "Fake ghost hunting tv shows"
@@dralord1307 But FLIR cameras are useful...... useful at fooling stupid 12 y/o's into buying merch coz pretty colours in their fav con persons new YT video.
Lol
Just a heads up:
The Gamer's Nexus logo is over the top most frame rate readout in the Digital Foundry segment starting at about 24:30
This is what I was going to mention. He did link the DF video in the pinned comment though, which does not have anything covering them up.
Big fan of the frankenconsole (maybe we should call it the frankenstation if he does a frankenbox). Would love to see more of it.
I want to make something like that but I'm not sure if the old heat sink would fit in the revised ps5.
God I love engineering, they've taken loads of raw materials out without impacting performance, awesome.
temperature controled 23°, we dont know how the new design is gonna perform in higher ambient teperatures...
@@mirlo-rojo you do realize the same controlled temp was used for the old ps5 in this testing to compare
@@mirlo-rojo Basically the same is the answer. It scales pretty predictably up to about a 10C increase in ambient.
@@mirlo-rojo We actually do know. DF tested the console in a airflow constrained situation (aka limited fresh air) and they saw no difference. You can see this being shown here 26:29
@@alistairsmith2396 27:24 It's in the video
"We don't recommend buying multiple consoles..."
Me: I wish I could buy ONE console (at retail). :(
Live in Canada? Walmart near 10pm MST mon to thu once a month. Walmart gaming twitter page announces.
If you still can't buy a console even half a year after the chip shortage, you might just be too stupid to buy any electronics.
@@sqlevolicious Either that or lack of trying.
Like seriously I've had my ps5 for so long that I'm bored with it..then again I've had a 5900x and 3080 for longer and it's obviously way more fun lol.
Buy a PC. You hoy all free. In console proceso of games Will rape you.
The real video everyone was looking for..
hardware busters already did it tho, he deserves more subscribers tbh
@@aleksandrlapz6729 unfortunately I don't speak greek
One of, because hardware bus is very GOOD in technology testing as well.. check it out..
Yup, an actual scientific test, and not a terrible one done by a tech review clickbait youtuber that has no idea what he's doing (no hate to him) that ends up making the PS5 and Sony look bad for no reason.
@@thaddeuscosse9527 theres hardware busters international channel which are videos exclusively spoken in english
I will say that, in my experience, the PS5 stays pretty clean. I live in a desert, dust is abundant, I keep my console on a shelf next to the TV, not enclosed, and standing upright. I received my console in early January of this year, last week I opened it for the first time to clean it. I was really surprised with how little dust there was inside the console. The amount of dust on the fan blades was barely noticeable, most of it was localized on the exhaust vents and even then, it wasn't a whole lot. The console stays pretty clean, in my anecdotal experience.
Wow in a 🏜.
Luckily I’ve noticed that as long as you don’t smoke or vape the dust tends to stay pretty small and most of it doesn’t stick in the system, it just gets pushed through by the fan
Yeah its easy to clean also in my opinion
Just don't live in the desert
We needed this, thank you. A definitive investigation to make sure that the new PS5's are solid products. Awesome stuff!
Why did Sony already do a revision they worried there box was not solid like the Xbox or what the excuse for limit in material is weird Xbox nor Nintendo say stuff like this besides the chips that everyone is out of
@@travishastings1414 Sony and all the other manufacturers tend to look at cost cutting continually and what Sony have done here is create a cheaper to make box without compromising quality and yet making small improvements where possible. There is no conspiracy here, it’s normal practice.
@@travishastings1414 revisions have been done for the longest time. Even Nintendo and Sega did this back in the 80s. It is nothing new and is done to reduce cost. This is why consoles tends to be cheaper at the end of their generation.
Anyone own a Ps5 here ?
@@travishastings1414 Every console goes through revisions throughout their lifespans, whether to reduce costs or improve overall construction. The 360 and PS3 each had several revisions of their launch models, for example, before their respective slim models released.
Finally, actual verified test which everyone can use for future reference
It's always cool to know you can trust Steve and his team
Austin has zero credibility. This just solidifies it.
@@sourpotpie2000 lol this vindicates Austin Evans
Ha! Just cements what I said last time. Austin is total BS!
@@lolpartyparrot lol gamers nexus literally stated the same thing Austin Evans stated in his original video
This is how proper tests are done keep up the fantastic work
Gamers Nexus logo in the top right is covering some of the data during the Digital Foundry segment.
Yes ! Thanks For Pointing That Out. +1
If only there was a different video without it somewhere hmm...oh wait there is and it is mentioned in this video and even linked to
@@hr0thgar_ Jesus, can you stop sucking off GN so much? This is clearly an error on the GN's part. No big deal, still an error.
@@sujimayne Can't stop doing something I haven't started doing.
@@hr0thgar_ Dosen't change the fact we CAN'T see the number. We're just pointing out the FACT. Chill.
Great job with the controlled experiment. Thanks for looking into the "small heat-sink bad", "high exhaust temp bad" claims.
Tho, I think the delivery could use a few diagrams and tables for a more concise and easier to digest format.
You're the only person I could find that actually did the work. Thank you!
For me, the cooling is not the part I was upset about, it is the fact they cut 2 Wi-Fi Bluetooth antenna. Can someone test that next?
@983Stereomike983 if it wasn't for capitalism you wouldn't even have had a PlayStation one
@@joshuaghiroli2513 There is no need for capitalism for progress and technologies; that is just a dumb falacy.
@@joshuaghiroli2513 Negative, That's considered a post hoc ergo propter hoc or more specifically a singular causality fallacy.
@@mourningstar7214 if you truly believe that, tell me under what other system would the motivation and resources be available to buy only create a PlayStation but also afford the opportunity for availability among the populous.
@@mateusmt6194 no, you are correct. But technology for the sole purpose of frivolous entertainment requires motivation. And these companies aren't spending millions upon millions of dollars to developer hardware and software that serves no purpose other than "wasting time". I mean I know the USSR had their attempt with the GulagStation, but that never really got off the ground.
Finally feels like I've been waiting forever for this
"Bespoke digital foundry testing"
I love this type of tongue in cheek humour.
I don't get it
Wow. The amount of work put in for this is insane. Go Well Steve
great video. can't imagine how much time it has taken to have so many different tests done. keep it up guys.
by the way at 23:15 section the GN logo is obstructing some of the data.
Missed opportunity for a "Back to you Steve" from Richard
IMO they've kinda beat that meme to death, so I'm just as glad they didn't use it in this video. 😀
I like how the name of the first chapter contains the word "bespoke". Digital Foundry viewers will know 😂
I've been waiting for this one! Thanks as always for your thorough testing methodology :)
Very helpful interview, really wanted to make sure these dark plates were really solid
GN and DF Woah.. loved it! Thanks Steve and GN crew
The most anticipated video Gamers Nexus has released yet!
Sometimes, I can't believe what I'm watching, who I'm watching, you're doing so much for people, GN, so much work, with such... passion and conviction. We can't thank you enough, please, continue being you, GN. :)
So people can see How Sony Makes The vrm hotter so your ps5 Will live less.
Great work, as usual, Steve :)
Your tests about this was awesome too.
Beautiful piece, not only did Steve do a excellent, but he also pointed out the limitations he had to get more reliable data
Thank you Steve for 36 minutes in-depth thermo probe on PS5 video!
I can't believe how complex and time consuming some of this testing is. Lots of hard work goes into this, I can see. At first glance, the SoC gets hotter but most of the other components run cooler. This doesn't matter much since boost performance is not affected by temperature, as long as it's running within spec. I guess Sony knows what they're doing with these changes. These consoles are such a technical achievement. For the price, you're not gonna get a better PC but the cost is subsidized by game sales to an extent. New SKU and cooling looks more than adequate. This is the way Sony rolls, launch a console and bring the costs down with revisions and new SKUs over time.
Exactly 😊
There s absolutely no comparison nowadays between consoles and pc s ... I mean just a similar gpu ,that doesn't even reach the same framerate on pc,will cost you as much as the ps5 digital edition :)
@@notmyyoutube84 that's incredibly false, too many variables to say that.
Steve: “The fact that these numbers are so close on a totally different PCB, with new thermal couple runs is a testament to the process we put in place, and we’re proud of that. “
Me: :3
You cats are the real MVP's -- appreciate all the hard work from all the teams involved.
I wish more youtuber were like you, the amount of work you put into you videos is amazing
Bought an autographed Modmat! Thanks GN for the infinite value you bring to this community.
A nice drinking game where you'd be quickly hammered would be drinking every time Steve says ''Technician''. Maybe get a GN Cobalt blue Tear-down Logo Pint Glass set to do that with your Friends from the GN Merch store :D.
Finaly a TH-camr doing this test the right way! Im so tierd of the "new PlayStation bad" videos! Great video with lots of information 👏
I love the scientific approach to testing, we need more people thinking in rational ways
Amazing work! I was anticipating GN's numbers and you did not disappoint with the quality of your testing.
Was finally able to order one today. Thanks for the thermal info. Makes me feel less concerned on what revision I end up with
In the beginning there was Adam and Eve, oh and Steve. Steve went on to forsee all things wrong in tech and with great hindsight did a full thermal analysis of the PS5 at launch, knowing that one day this Delta measurement would go on to do great things.
Today is that day.
All praise Steve.
“No OnE CaReS aBoUt CoNsOlEs!!!!!” - Some guy with a Pin of Shame….
I think everyone on each platform is interested, because Gaming and Technology.
lmao and he/she got rekt tho.
Hardware is hardware, there is stuff to learn in all of it.
With the prices of GPUs, there might be more interest in consoles for now.
Unfortunately, I think the damage has already been done. I doubt most of the people who saw Austin’s video will seek out actual results like this. It would take Austin making a follow up video to clear up the misinformation he was responsible for.
Let them get called out
Unfortunately you are correct, I’ve seen plenty of nonsense by not just the general stupid person but other TH-cam channels just spewing the same stuff Austin said without proof, that’s going to continue for many years. Especially with the fanboys that are more interested in their platform of choice than the truth.
@@Popcorncarn Would you rather the components it’s supposed to be drawing heat from be hotter and the heat sink be cooler because its not absorbing the heat properly?
What misinformation? The heatsink in the new PS5 is in fact worse and runs 5 degrees hotter when measuring the SoC than on the old PS5, so Austin was right.
@@Bellissima2k you’re cherry picking at that point. Literally every other temperature reading was cooler on the new model. To call it a worse cooler is straight up false. You’re completely ignoring the other results
Been looking forward to this vid! Great job!
My only compliant is that on the DF section the logo at the top right covers some of the numbers.
Excited. I know y'all spent a TON OF TIME on this.
"Bespoke Digital Foundry Testing" - Man of Culture indeed
Great vid guys! I wish you'd move the logo away from the DF frame tests though, it's a little hard to get numbers from the graph 😅
Finally! THE ONLY GUY with proper testing. You sir are the golden standard.
Thanks for the test and the vid guys!
First sentence in video is currently on the market.
Wait can you get one now ?
Great Video as always Thanks Team !!
I love how the first section with Rich is called "In the here and now" These references xD
Amazing in depth video from the top two channels on benchmarking and reviews.
I'd be interested to see how the console behaves when it actually gets close to the temperature limit. Does it go into panic mode and ramp the fan up to 100%, or does it just stay at 18% and the console shuts off because it's overheating?
It shuts off. The fan speed never varies based on temperature.
There is one speed when a game is running, and a lower speed when on the main menu with nothing running.
When the console reaches a critical temperature it literally shuts off and gives an error message telling you to wait a few minutes before turning back on.
@@joemamr710 Interesting. That seems like a pretty bad design to me.
How did you get it to overheat? Did the thermal performance drop that much over time?
@@EVPointMaster You can get it to overheat by just running it inside of a small plastic box or something. The fan speed does not ever adjust, just two speeds depending on whether any game is running at all or not. It shuts down when it overheats and displays a warning message, and you can find the warning message online.
I had a feeling looking at the new cooler that the original cooler was a bit over-engineered and that there wouldn't be any drastic real world difference in performance.
It reduces the temperatures on the memory modules. Long term reliability revision, which in Japan is equal in importance to performance.
dont know if true but I heard a "theory" that there was a time crunch at sony to get out with the X box and NOW with 2021 and supplier costs taking off they want and "spent" the R/D to reduce running manufacturing costs
impressive detailed cooling testing methodology..fan manufacturers should be scared in the future! hats off, this is huge amount of work! back to u Steve and lads!
DF and GN working together makes me irrationally happy
But Austin Evans said that the new heatsink not being hotter would "defy the laws of physics"? how can this be?
The most interesting bit was zero performance loss when stuffing the PS5 into an enclosed box for hours. Impressive.
Indeed
chips can run a hell of a lot hotter than people think.
@@armylrs2391 Right but if I put my PC into an enclosed box while gaming, I'm confident it would drop performance quickly and eventually shut off for safety.
Pretty sure its due to the fact that the PS5 doesn't seem to thermal throttle - it just shuts down when it overheats.
To put it simply, the console changes GPU and CPU frequencies based on how intense a workload is for the components - heat does not play a factor into it.
@@joker927 Yes it would
Dang...Austin be contemplating right now whether or not he wants to release a reply/revisement to his statement from his previous video.
Lmaooo man looking spooky now
@@jamolbonaparte6908 He better be. After doubling down his statement in his response video, being scientifically (with metrics) proven wrong would require a very PUBLIC apology/revisement. As he had caused a markup in 2ndhand prices of 1st gen PS5, and basically defamed any 2nd gen PS5s.
TL;DR - Basically, the SOC runs hotter on the newest model but, the memory runs cooler than the older model. 🤔
Austin Evans was partially right in his assumption that the newest model runs hotter (due to it's smaller heatsink & higher exhaust temperature 🌡️). 🤷🏾♂️
Therefore, the defendant is acquitted. Austin Evans is found to be not guilty.
Case is now closed.
@@freddywayne I wish it was as easy as that. The thing is, this statement wasn't made by somebody small online, it's made by a huge brand/persona in TH-cam. The title of the video itself, and the double down statement is that 2nd gen PS5 is worst due to the "vents" being hotter. Do you think the general public would take that statement and consider the other details mentioned? No, they just think that 2nd gen PS5 bad, and 1st gen PS5 good. And guess what the 2nd hand market follow, and though not proven, with the size of his channel he could have cost Sony a LOT of money.
So I appreciate your TLDRing, I see it's purpose, but this situation unfortunately can't be simplified into nothing. It has affected people and needs to be rectified.
@@ryanawol77 - TL;DR😏 but, I do agree with your reply 💯%
Thanks appreciate the time taken to test these 👍
The end game for the PS5s. Steve's battle with them will be legendary.
What was up with that stupid article claiming the new revision CPU runs 11 degrees cooler when it actually runs hotter then? What a joke
Great job GN! :-) Doing a meticulous job of testing thermals to produce the most accurate result, unlike some other YT'ers...
Been waiting on this video to put the rumors at rest. Good work!
lol what about the article claiming the new ones cpu runs 11 degrees cooler than the old!! so many clickbait articles popped up
Yeah it doesn’t run 11 degrees cooler and is hotter in other areas 😂😂
The feels from watching professional teams working together, awesome job guys!
So we can all know now that Sony make vrm hotter for your ps5 live less. Thanos for open our eyes.
This was fun content I like how you guys have to put a ton of effort into this just to come to a conclusion of "there isn't a big difference" lol but there is something fascinating how much you tried to find a difference.
Respect
When you need 11 minutes of disclaimers to ward off console fanboys...
Won't work
Well, all of this started because some people got really angry because somebody suggested their favorite console could run a couple of degrees hotter. But i don't think anybody really cared about the cooler.
@@pumajlr no, stop being a m0ron. Austin Evans makes some fanboy bs claims and people got upset that EVERYONE ran with that bs
@@pumajlr people got upset because of the testing method(really terrible btw)...I.e thermal cameras ..if austin tested like this It would have been aloooot better..really disengenious of you to pretend there werent valid complaints ...also his conclusions were clearly freaking wrong ...as shown by two highly technical reviewers not using thermal exhaust as a valid metric to draw a conclusion on
They should have a disclaimer to ward off GN fanboys, this whole comment section is a circlejerk dumpster fire.
Over to you and your thermal camera Austin...
My disappointment in Richard not saying "Back to you, Steve" is immeasurable and my day is ruined.
That Coop was great! Love the quality of your coverage and open explanation of the quality of data. You guys are the best there is for your benchmarking and testing.
Impressive how scientifically this testing was conducted, including the acknowledgements of points of testing that might have meaningful error margins
Just as i thought, if your lucky enough to own a ps5 it doesn’t really matter which one and there is no performance loss either, can’t wait to get my hands on one.
Fantastic work on the video 👏👏👏
I haven't heard of any widespread issues with the first revision overheating so it's safe to say Sony didn't revise it for improved cooling. A cheaper to produce product that has no direct (major) negatives seems to be the intent
There are some rumors that in the firmware updates they got more aggressive with the fan settings for the first version of units. I haven't noticed more noise or any of that, but who knows...
This is an impressive dig into the topic and the work and effort is appreciated. I'm also fairly surprised that the PS5 uses liquid metal.
That's something we knew in October of 2020 when Sony did an official tear down.
I hardly know anything about the technical side of computers/tech you guys do testing on. But I still enjoy the videos and find them pretty educational.
Thank you for this sort of content and I’m always impressed by the wealth of knowledge you and your team has.
Thank you for taking the time to do proper testing. As always you make it so easy to follow along and understand the content.
Any random person can point a thermal camera app and make an uniformed conclusion... thank you for not being that random guy!
It really just hit me that I'm spending hours of my life watching incredibly detailed analysis of consoles and graphics cards that I won't be able to buy for at least a year.
Anyways, keep up the great work as always 👍
HAve one yet? :`(
@@azrael_pendragon Actually yeah. After setting alarms to catch restocks, memorizing all the patterns, being ready seconds after stock dropped, I had... absolutely ZERO luck. Thankfully, I had the opportunity to wait 15hrs in front of a BestBuy and was able to buy one.
I walked around a puddle in Apex Legends the other day and the reflection was extra shiny. Life is good.
Austin Evans : I don't feel so good...
we all knew his testing was shit
@@ML-yn9yu people are angry because he is a certified xbox fanboy talking shit to the rival console, thats all it is to the story.
@@hitler69 Nah, im sure it was some for some but you also had then you compound the issue with the wack-ass testing method. Its a mixture of both. Glad to see that he was basically invalided. like what we thought would be the case.
Austin evans owned again
I'm not one to keep up with gaming news, I don't even have a current gen console, but this video is very well presented and has a lot of interesting technical considerations and comparisons. First video I've seen of yours, great job!
Awesome.What a great amount of detailed & delicate work.I'm very impressed.