I thought I was crazy when i kept undervolting my 6950 and saw more fps each time I thought I was crazy. Turns out it really just gives performance. It made more sense when I switched to a ryzen cpu and it's overclocking worked similarly with PBO.
It's because of power limits. 1 Watt = 1 Amp * 1 Volt. If you decrease the voltage, you directly decrease the power draw, and because the cards are power limited in the bios, they can boost to a higher frequency before they hit that power limit (or thermal throttle). PBO works the same way, it boost your CPU within the power limits. You can also manually boost the CPU beyond the default power limits without undervolting though, unlike the GPUs.
@AELabsHonkai what model do you have? I have the base model and just put the power limit on MSI afterburner to 110% to consistently hit 330w so I imagine if I tweaked the voltage and memory and core frequency I would get more fps
@@jaredhernandez333 I also have the reference model. I have my core at 500-2800, memory at 2360 Fast Timing, 1100 Voltage, and max power limit if i want max performance or default 0 power limit for much better temps and noise. For my OC as far as im aware the only possible way to gain more fps when power limit is maxed is to lower the voltage which can work under 1100 but it might cause driver timeouts and crash. Edit: I kind of gave up on the core frequencies because higher did not mean better on this card even if it can hit 2800mhz. I just gave it a super wide range and let it choose it's own clocks.
Undervolting is the new overclocking. Has been since 2016, so not even so new anymore. But with chips utilizing dynamic boost clocks, it's obvious that reducing voltage allows higher clocks within the same power limit.
"And at first, I thought it was stable. Only to then wake up in the morning with my screen being black, or no signal. Huh, maybe it went into a sleep mode. I started playing games as usual and as I was watching TH-cam I had a driver time out. Odd, didn't crash in the game but it did on the desktop That's funny. I continue to play the games and eventually the game freezes and the system crashes. Now I'm just convinced to AMD is garbage glitchy and a bad card and broken drivers. It's not the fact that I started applying a heavy overclock and were undervolt, nope." Pretty much what happens every time
@@THU31True, Undervolting can deliver more performance, especially if your hardware gets hot. My last card I had, I undervoted that and got slightly better performance, about 2 or 3C lower temps and the fans didn't have to work as hard, the extra performance happened by being able to maintain the boost clock more. On my current gpu, I Undervolted, performance didn't change but I got around the same 2 or 3C lower temps and the lower fan spin speeds. It's worth doing it if you can keep the same performance or gain a slight boost, you get the advantage of lower temps and the fan not having to work as hard. In any case, I find you have to do a few test to see where the sweet spot is for your own hardware, how far can you undervolt whiles keeping it stable and without losing any performance, or if you want, you can reduce a little performance and get a massive improvement on lower energy use and temps, which is what my brother did with his Ryzen cpu, I think he lost around 4% which honestly, you won't notice most of the time but he sliced off around 55 watts of power whiles being pushed hard and I think the temps were about 12-14C lower, in his case, the trade-off is worth it.
I have a 3060ti and I've been wanting to upgrade to a 7800xt. But people keep telling me to skip a gen before upgrading. Is that a good rule of thumb for PC gaming? I noticed you did the same but wasn't sure if you purposely did that.
@@carolinagamer2874 I think going up when gen is fine if your are also stepping up to a higher tier. Like your example would be fine or if you're going from something like a 3060 ti to a 4070 super
This was interesting and different. Thanks, Daniel. You don't have to do OC/UV testing like this often, nor do I think that you should, but when there's a good reason to do it, like here, it's worthwhile, IMO.
*Best stable GRE overclock* Max core clock - 2720 Memory - fast timing - 2316mhz Pl +15 990mv Done. If you get a crash at some point, up the mv to 1010.
@@chrisbohmdrumming9269 No not really. trying to mimick the unrealistic overclocks people post that surely crash eventually or with updates is the issue. This overclock is designed by me, and was designed to be very generous in terms of power still sent to the card and not trying to push it too hard. based on every test I've seen of over 20 cards they can all do this without issue. This overclock was done with thought. You can squeez more out depending on the memory type, cooling and power limits of your card ect. But this one is a solid boost for all.
A 15.7% performance increase from messing with some knobs is pretty good!! Overclocking isn't dead after all.. HUB and Jayz2cents aren't always right I guess 😂
@@jannclaudebinoya Are you saying thats not possible? Or are you just giving an example? Because thats literally what happened in Daniels video. The 7900 GRE is on average 10% faster than the 7800xt, and he got an extra 15.7% increase overclocking the 7900 GRE.. Add the 10% plus the 15.7% he just got from the oc and that makes 25.7% faster..
4:45 - Anyone else remember “Golden Sample” editions? I can remember people buying GeForce 3 Ti 500, GeForce 4, etc., from eBay with a guaranteed overclock percentage and charging a 50% premium over the MSRP. This was all in a time when there were zero scalpers, and the MSRP was the buying price at brick and mortar retail, and online. (Side note, anyone remember PriceWatch? Lol) Back then, overclocking was an industry all to itself, and 3DMark 2000, 2001, 2003, etc etc etc was more popular than most PC games. Hahaha. It was a wild time to be a PC building and overclocking enthusiast. God, I miss those days….I don’t have the money to keep up anymore because components cost $2000+ for GPU, $500 for a CPU, $400 for the right PSU, $400 for the right motherboard….it gets too expensive too quickly, and we haven’t even talked about the price of cooling!
Fr like, they cost 5 year worth of salary and it's gonna last you for 3 years at most before you aren't gonna be able to run the latest title, tf is that
I remember Pricewatch. They always had crazy deals lower than PCPartPicker. I think PCPP only uses the mainstream retailers so their prices are higher.
@@darudesandstorm7002 dude that was it! I remember them now. I also remember the cards being sold on eBay “guaranteed to XXX clocks GPU XXX MEM,” etc. with the money back guarantee. Back then, the average Joe could still compete for overclocking scores. Now the price of entry is too high for most. :-(
so basicaly a 15% increase(roughly) from the old driver to the new with an OC and undervolt... SWEET!!!! - I was honestly expecting more, BUT I think it will have a GREAT impact on the Ray Tracing side of it... because this is THE BEST RT CARD from AMD - best for you dollar..... at $549-$599 and to get almost 7900xt RT performance is GREAT!!! This is my FAVORITE card from AMD in the 7000 series.... best overall.... THANK YOU!!!
This is THE strangest grammatical EXHIBITION, I have seen in quite sometime. WHY do you not capitalise your first letter, but then CAPITALISE random WORDS!!!! - with multiple exclamation points? Utterly bizarre haha... All the best mate.
no, it's still quite a bit behind the 7900 xt BASE in most games. There is more the 7900 xt does than just memory speed. It was still lossing in that synthetic, and of course I too can add, and have added my own 15% oc. you wouldn't even be close along with my bandwhich. But with that said, the GRE is a FANTASTIC deal.
I have spend so many hours testing different overclock settings with my nitro+ xtx and it's really fun. Especially when you also get some free performance, however it is very dependent on what games you play and if you want the max performance in every game you need to make a preset for each game. But thx to Adrenaline software, that is pretty easy.
love hearing undervolting tip...thanks for the overclocking demo, I just bought the exact same card...i would like to see 4k resolution results when you have time.
Ay bro, i dont recomment the nitro+. I've seen a bunch of posts with that specific 7900GRE model having the worst thermal performance amongst its peers (even tho its a 3.5 slot card with a beefy cooler). I personally got the 7800xt nitro+ and that's working out well but there is a known issue with these nitro+ cards where the hotspot temperature gets >20C hotter than the avg gpu die temp. Not sure why that happens, some have RMA'd it, some have repasted with the PTM970 since RDNA3 uses chiplets and still no fix. I get like 60-67C max on my gpu temps but my hotspot easily hits 90C+ even with a mild OC, heck it even hits the wall when i just drag the power slider to +15%. Delta between gpu and hotspot should always be
Be careful cause you can also undervolt 4070S. I had to decrease 7900 GRE clock speeds cause 280W is heating room crazy (it's not comfortable when you have non stop hot air in your legs).
@@tushkan4ik111 same us my 3070 msi gaming z trio. 235-240watts 1440p in most games. But uv 180w max same performance and oc ram 1300mhz, in cs 2 power consumption between 70-90w. 😮 but the ram... nvidia not worth anything over 4090. Only 4090 has more sens, and crazy efficient. Fps per watts, but i buy used gpu 7900gre at week.
@@anodyneliniment2326 ohh thats good to know. I know the nitro has the biggest power limit as they can hit over 300+ watts. But not sure why thermal is issues on them
GPU Clock - 2803 -> 2748 mV - 960 -> 1000 Vram - 2450 -> 2516 +15% board power. -> 10% stable for the last 2 days. sapphire pulse. Edit: I returned the gre for am xtx. Stability was a hard fought battle but after troubleshooting for 2 weeks I returned the xtx and got a 4080s on sale for less then the xtx. The 4080s has been smooth with zero issues. I cannot at this point recommend amd gpus in their current state. The fact the Nvidia was essentially plug and play after JUST a driver install, is too consequential to ignore.
Not bad! You're still not at the level of my 7900 xt, and of course I too can add 12-15% with an overclock extra., With that said tho, that GRE is a really REALLY good deal lol.
@@chunk3875 Power Limit - +15 Max Clock - 2750 (it'll boost to 2800) MV - 1060 (issues? raise it by 5 till gone) Vram - 2750 (Issues? take away 10 till good DO not use fast timings, they do next to nothing. set fan to manual, turn off zero rpm mode. If you have a hell hound like me, set it to 1200rpm. You won't even hear it. Tada. You don't want to put the MV too high, if you put a high mv, and 3000 max clock you'll get LESS performance. There has to be a fine balance. With this, I get close to my friends 7900xtx. Quite a good deal. My temps are like 20-24 idle 32-50 playing a game usually. hot spot like 75 on demanding title. I have a cold room, amazing air flow.
@@NeverSettleForMediocrity is it slow 👀 I play everything 1440p at ultra settings at 100+ FPS. I play at 4K 60+ which is fine on my television. Enjoy being a miserable prick.. I’ll be enjoying this card for 1-2 years. It was a hold over purchase and I’m happy with it.
At launch the Rx 7700xt was $50 less than the 7800xt. The specs of that card didn't justify the price (not a good deal). The Rx 7900 GRE (really a 7800XTX) was $50 more than the 7800xt, but the specs of that card made the price a Good Deal. Now with the AMD Adrenalin update, this card LOOKS REALLY GOOD!
I have the asus dual fan 7900GRE and was able to overclock it but performance gain is like 5-10% maximum from what I’ve noticed. It’s a great card I had the 3060ti before and it runs a lot faster and more Vram
He has embraced his true calling as the mouse pointer! Anyway, hope it doesn't actually become standard practice and we have to start buying "unlockable" VRAM
I bought 7900 GRE Sapphire Pure. It's flying on 1440p 170hz monitor. It also provides 60 or 60+ fps in 4k. I don't care for 5% diff, ray tracing and dlss, just pure raster performance. If i need to overclock it to play some game, then it's time for upgrade.
Cool video! I guess AMD are using this card to improve yields on the 7900XT chips, and are configuring it to underperform in order to not cannibalise on sales on their other cards.
It would be great to see several other games comparison with the OC versus the stock version. Especially in some high vram usage settings and with raytracing.
PowerColor Hellhound RX 7900 GRE 2829mhz boost No minimum core clock Undervolted to 980mv VRAM 2543mhz boost (stock timings) +15% Board power Has been stable for a week and power draw is 284watts. Hope this helps someone. All done in amd adrenaline.
The differences make total sense, it has more compute power, so when you have ray tracing it will be in an advantage compared to the 7800 XT. But the moment that the memory bandwidth starts coming into question, it's major bottleneck, then the 7800 XT is catching up, as it can fill up the bandwidth better than the 7900 GRE which is limited there. If one would put the 7800XT's Bandwidth on this card? It would also crush it there.
I have the same exact model (Hellhound 7900 GRE), and my PC crashes when I try to benchmark it with VRAM frequency above 2390 MHz. Many users (but not all) also reported poor overclocking performance for 7900 GRE. Since AMD provided Daniel this GPU, it could be that it has better silicon/overclock capacity for a review sake. Maybe I'm just unlucky (like many others) with the silicon lottery. Anyways, just wanted to bring this up in case you decide to buy this card with overclocking in mind.
PowerColor Hellhound RX 7900 GRE 2829mhz boost No minimum core clock Undervolted to 980mv VRAM 2543mhz boost (stock timings) +15% Board power Has been stable for a week and power draw is 284watts. Hope this helps someone. All done in amd adrenaline.
My 7900 XT Runs absolutely perfectly on the latest drivers. I just switched to AMD, and it seems there was no better time. I've been playing for hourrrrrs for days on both old games, new games, and retro games. Everything has been perfect. And got a beautiful undervolt and overclock on it.
@@christophermullins7163 It's not the crashes that are the problem personally, but if you look at their patch notes apparently there are problems. The thing is when you run AMD and Nvidia side by side daily like I do you realize AMD absolutely earns the reputation of instability and poor drivers. They're miles ahead of where they were in the days of yesteryear, but when you run them side by side they just can't _quite_ get there compared to Nvidia. _Especially_ when it comes to VR.
@@christophermullins7163 Only time I've gotten a "Driver timeout" or crash is from me trying to overclock the thing by 15% lol . And when that happens, just means i need to add a little more MV juice But Nvidia is not different lol. I've had a 4070, 4080, and 4090. One second I think the overclock is good, then I crash randomly hours, minutes, or just sitting at the desktop lol. Overclocking or undervolting can be a real bitc. It takes time, testing, and patience if you are trying to push high, or low. Outside of self induced errors, never a single issue of ANY kind. The ONLY thing AMD wise I've ever had issues with is their metrics not showing up in certain games. that's literally it lol. And I use afterburner for all my chart goodness.
@@zodwraith5745 Look at Nvidias patch notes, and not the ones they show briefly. They have game crashing, and failure to boots as well. doe shappen more on amd on average, but Nvidia isn't out of the park.
could be possible to do a comparision between this card with this OC vs 4070 super? like a rerun? would also be nice if you also overcock the 4070 super ofc to make it fairer... Is clear this is a very special case because the 7900 GRE was heavily restrained but could be cool for a one time thing...
What ??¿¿ Why should anyone comparing a 7900 GRE to / or against a RTX 4070 Super 🤔🤷♂️that doesnt make any sense 🤚🏻 with or without OC 😏 because the Ngreedia 🤮 Card plays at a completly different price league /category 🤦♂️
@@kawafahra That's not what I meant at all with my statement😏 and it has absolutely nothing to do with the classification into price categories😉 I'm an ❤AMD❤ user myself with 3 AMD cards (RX 7900 XTX, RX 6950 XT & RX 6700XT) in 3 different ALL AMD systems and I've been building gaming and workstation rigs for almost 28 years! So I definitely know what I'm talking about... I still remember the time when you had to read / acquire all your knowledge from magazines little by little because there was no such thing as the Internet or only limited and rudimentary with a 56K modem 😂, however it's not worth mentioning. But back to the topic, it doesn't make sense because a crappy Ngreedia RTX 4070 SUPER costs around 650-750€ (AIB models here in Germany) and the RX 7900 GRE only costs 560-590€ , so based on the price alone it doesn't make any difference to me Sense. Of course, if someone is willing to pay 200€ more just for the Ngreedia feature set then so be it... there are a lot of stupid people since PC gaming has become so mainstream and it feels like there are more and more of them every day 🙄😜
Hmm. Very strange. Previously, in the 7900 GRE vs. 4070 Super and 7800 XT comparisons at stock memory and GPU frequencies in Cyberpunk 2077, you had an average of 102 FPS (QHD Ultra). Now it is 95 FPS at stock frequencies. And after memory OC without GPU tweaks, 104 FPS. Why such an inconsistency between previous and current results?
@@k1cs1m3a8 So it means that without memory OC, just with different driver you have almost same performance and memory OC give us only +2-3 FPS? What is all the fuss about? Update your driver and don't touch Vram)))
@@nikitamorozov7553 no, the new amd driver give +2fps. And with the unlocked memory oc you can get +15Fps. In overall the gpu can do %20 more if overclocked than in stock. In stock 5% faster than a 4070 super with overclock much bigger gap.
@@k1cs1m3a8 Sorry, but we are not talking about some probabilities. I compare certain previous video of this lad and current one - there is no +15 FPS difference. We have 102 FPS (old video result), 101 FPS (current video with 24.3.1 driver stock settings) and 110 FPS (24.3.1 driver with Vram OC and undervolted and overclocked GPU). This is less than a 9% performance gain.
I have some knowledge of basic overclocked and I think the reason you lose performance when you push the voltage is because of the power limit and higher temp. In overclock to archive the higher clock speed you need the card to be more efficient, so undervolting make the card draw less amount of power to do the same task of work as normal card. This make it so that higher voltage make the card reach power target before they can archived desired clock speed, also higher temp sometime reduced the clockspeed thus making it draw more power to push the clock and reach saturation much earlier than when undervolt. I’m also not an expert just love undervolting my gpu to get best result, I might be wrong if anyone understand it better feel free to correct me.
Daniel at 04:44 You should take into consideration that 7900GRE already has 20gbps memory chips wit PIMCs of 50A. So it should already run 2500mhz(20gbps) out of the box instead of 2250mhz(18gbps). Its not a normal overclock on every other amd card memory OC limit is +150mhz (+200mhz if lucky). This is, a crazy + 450mhz(4gbps) gain. Why amd ships it with 20gbps chips and marketed it as 18gbps? Maybe because in HUB review it was faster then 7900xt in one instance anyones guess? It has the same memory as 7900XT that can OC to 2750mhz (22gbps). There are already ppl who OC the 7900gre memory to 2750mhz (22gbps) in 3dmark
I have nitro plus gre model, mine is not even stable at 2500, my whole system crashes, at default no crashes, what could be the issue? I am not using fast timing, haven benchmark, 3rd mark stable at 2500 but actual games are not. Cs2 crashes, pubg crash
Would this give you better performance on a 7900xtx or xt Vs 4070 ti super with 4k or in others with fsr ray tracing games like avatar. Alan wake 2 etc
Also, not all of us like to overclock our parts. I, for one, prefer longevity over performance, but I'm not going to go for a card that performs badly out of the box, but some that does well out of the box without cutting its base life span.
@@LordMidichlorian except its ok to overclock the memory. Its just free performance. Then maybe slight increase to clocks and undervolt as low as its stable. Mine 68XT is 200w after those according to adrenaline. So result is cooler, better performing gpu while power consumption came down drasticslly so tinkering your gpu is worth it.
4:35 A review benchmark shouldn't include overclocking by default. It's a fun tidbit for enthusiasts, though not necessary for standard reviews. Like you have said, it's a variable result that end-users will see.
If you OC and think of it as heat management, you will get a tremendous amount of your AMD GPU. I run a 6700tx that has a custom OC for each game. I'm getting 4080 numbers off this little 6700xt. I thought this would kill it because in some games the hit spot will stay between 100 and 110c for hours. But I have been doing this almost 2.5 years now. I plan on doing a deep clean on its 3rd birthday. Hopefully this will be the 1st time it's been taken out of the case.
@diamonshade7484 1440. I don't use upscaleing in anything. I have a 37in curved wide screen 1440p monitor. I will say controlling FPS to stay below the 165 fps of my monitor has also made a massive impact.
Im sorry man, but your 6700xt is nowhere near a 4080. Totally unbelievable and to be honest, a bit delusional. Just look at some 3Dmark scores. if your claims are true you run some 3Dmark scores and take that number 1 spot! Or start a youtube channel and blow us away with your overclock skills.
@mikehawk6918 I have no idea why I didn't think about that. I was trying to kill it in the beginning now that it works so well, I would like to keep it. It's handled all the abuse. I need to do something to help cool it down. I'm quite mad at myself for not thinking about taking all that plastic off it and letting it breathe.
Let just say that, on a GDDR6, at least 2500Mhz is a given: above it starts concerning power, quality, and cooling, so it becomes variable but anyone with a GRE should "at a minimum" try the card to 2500 Mhz
To understand how bad amd in ray tracing 0:42 as you see here rx 7900 gre got only 28fps With the same settings rt overdrive ( path Tracing) max settings 1440p with my rtx 3070 dlss at quality I got 33fps ! So my 4 years old graphics card did better in path Tracing than the 2024 amd high mid range 550$ card ! Amd should really fix this !
@mailsibul black myth wukong too will have ray tracing and ray reconstruction, It's hard to make these realistic games you know path Tracing isn't an easy thing for developers But what I know gta 6 will have path Tracing after they release it for pc And that will encourage all developers to make realistic games Amd should fix ray tracing performance before that happens Nvidia too should upgrade ray tracing performance more on mid range cards Because 2026 games will be have very huge improvement in graphics Ue5 games we have right now is just prototypes We still didn't get any ue5 game fully utilized the engine or even 50% of it
who cares about rt !!! all games right now its really wonderfull without it !!! and rt making the games so unrealistic !!! and its one future pretty useless cause non game out there has optimise !!! so for the most of ppl not a deal to go on nvidia !!! nvidia is great if you using your pc for work but for gaming amd is moving forward with raw power !!!!
@Chris.Thanopoulos ray tracing make games so realistic with real life sun rays and reflection and shadows I think you Don't understand how it works For example I'm playing minecraft with ray tracing shaders and realistic texture It look gorgeous and relaxing Ray tracing is the best thing happened to games I'm so thankful for nvidia and I hope amd catch up soon
Loved my RX 6700 XT but ever since upgrading to RTX 4070 super, everything just runs much smoother. Initially I was thinking about picking RX 7900 GRE but since I only play on 1440p RTX 4070 super is more than enough for me.
Depending on what resolution you're on, I'd say wait for a future price drop for 4080/4080 super cause 4070 ti super isn't that much better than 4070ti/4070 super.@@ipotato95
Not really, my cp2077 benchmark (w/o undervolting and overclocking) achieved a higher average FPS (105>101) and a much higher min FPS (95>86) compared to Daniel's results. I'm not a huge fan of Nvidia's GPU prices but coming from an AMD GPU, Niadia's DLSS/FG and other features are still years ahead of AMD.@@ZenAndPsychedelicHealingCenter
Still wondering why AMD didn't name this the "Radeon 7900" or "Radeon 7800XTX" for the international markets? Either name would've fit in the line-up, maybe they really wanted this to stick out?
It is not something new. They released a RX6700GRE in the previous gen as well. Both cards were made for China in the first place. They did this with the chinese RX500 series as well but instead of GRE they were named SP or something like this.
Power consumption increased less than performance so it's still within the efficiency range. That's why AMD kneecapped it at driver level. There is no reason not to overclock this card.
Download more ram is now a thing it seems... I was seconds from getting a 7800xt a few weeks ago then the gre was announced and my interest changed, it's only $150aud more than the 7800xt for both HH versions, I just need to know heat, noise and power draw so I can get a new psu to go with it if it's stable and quiet enough.
Hi I want to start Overclocking my 7900 GRE but is there a drawback? Will the life of my GPU be much shorter because I am overclocking in extreme titles like Cyberpunk?
Id doesnt metter. Kingdome come deliverance, and a plague tale innocence when play background and minimalize to windows drawing same power us a playing normal game. Its depend on optimize and rendering games. No one games stoping when minimalized, and drawing gpu its only idle 10-20watts.
interesting thing about the 7700xt and the 7900gre, they use the same 20gbps memory chips as the 7800 xt and 7900 xt, just underclocked to 18gbps. This means the 7900 gre/7700 xt probably have more headroom for memory overclocking (tho I assume the MCDs are lesser binned)
@@blegi1245 it was according to the memory compatibility in the vbios in TPU, both variants were 20gbps. not sure how accurate, but it would make sense with volume pricing and all
They are not exactly the same. Mine has a higher bandwhich on the card. And Mine does 2750 on the memory with no issue. But the GRE is incredible value, it really is!! this new unlock by AMD was such a gift for us AMD users.
@@potatoes5829 18 gbps is the fastest all 3 manufacturers can supply. It's not a coincidence AMD (and Sony for PS5 Pro) specified that speed. That way you can bid all 3 manufacturers against each other and have significant cost savings. That makes faster than 18 gbps GDDR6 memory significantly more expensive. The memory supplied by the 2 manufacturers which can make faster memory is just down binned (or unbinned) faster memory (20 gbps in the case of Samsung and 24 gbps for SK Hynix). How fast the memory is on your specific card depends on which manufacturer you got and luck (remember the memory is specifically not binned to guarantee the rated speed for that manufacturer. It is only guaranteed to make the 18 gbps speed specified in the contract).
AMD must have specifically had some 18.5Gbps rated GDDR6 they needed to get rid of when they released the GRE in China. They did it as a reference only card. In the near year since then, yields have gotten better. When they gave the go-ahead for board partners to sell this globally, it doesn't save them any money in the current scene to specifically purchase a lower grade of GDDR6 than they are already using in mass for the 7900XT and XTX. They are just using them same memory chips. So what you are getting is 20Gbps rated chips, so this is neither driver voodoo nor is it the least bit risky in creating instability or burning out your card by upping the memory performance to this level at the a minimum. To me, this immediately makes the GRE the most attractive card in AMD's lineup.
Looking at how it's been overclocking I'd guess it's not downclocked 20gbit chips from the 7800xt and up, but slightly overclocked 18gbit chips from the 7700xt and down. The 7700xt and 7600xt have been selling poorly so they probably have a grip of that cheap vram. It can also depend on different vendors as well where a Nitro or Hellhound might have better memory than a bare bones reference model at MSRP. Also keep in mind there's still no _price_ on the Hellhound, they've only been sampled. There's no WAY it will be MSRP and if it follows traditional HH pricing it will hit $600 and match the 4070 super's price. Maybe that's why they still have no pricing this long after the GRE's launch when it can't match Nvidia's features.
18 gbps is the fastest GDDR6 memory all 3 manufacturers can supply. Faster GDDR6 than that is significantly more expensive. It's not a coincidence that Sony chose 18 gbps memory for the PS5 Pro.
Should be the same as the Nitro+. The problem is that it purely depends on the quality of the silicon. Some people are able to reach a stable 2700+ and some can barely achieve up to 2400mhz. The memory is identical (20gbps rated Hynix).
@@daveb9402 Right, I'm not the best at overclocking. I feel like I can't reach higher because I'm not undervolting properly. My auto OC (radeon software) provided me with 2390, so I feel like I can go higher.
That's the sorts of numbers we wanted to see. Now anyone got data on the XFX Radeon 7900 GRE Gaming, which I can buy for $50 cheaper than the Sapphire Nitro+? It claims higher GPU Clock Specs than the Sapphire Nitro+ and Sapphire Pure. Can't find the Powercolour Hellhound anywhere near me.
One thing that can happen in rx 7000, or at least on the XTX is, that if your min clocks are too high while overclocking it can happen, that the clock of the VRAM goes down. This can be helped a lot with undervolting it
3070 GDDR6X version could have 5-15% better performance just with increased memory bandwidth, so i could see more from GRE with little overclock on GPU too.
Actually it is not the actualy voltage that decrease performance, it is the minimum freqs. If you push your min freqs, gpu will cut down power from memory or other things to try to achive that min freqs, that decreases performance significantly. Please do not use you minimum freqs more than 2ghz with rdna2-3 or just leave it where they are.
Why didn't they do this out of the box? Could it have anything to do with regulations surrounding graphics cards to the China market? On purpose or not, maybe a better explanation than a very low quality voltage/frequency testing team at AMD. Just a wild ass Guess
5:22 "limits to silicone quality" along with the quality and manufacture specs of your mobo, ram, cpu, psu and cooling solution, driver updates annnnnnd general software clutter
@@lifemocker85ehh everyone’s hardware is different I suppose. My 3060 ti .975v with overclock to average 2025mhz user 210ish watts than compared to it using 300ish watts and 75ish C. It’s the asus rog strip V2 so my card can use total of 325 watts max but stock voltages and overclock too much power and heat, I do same to the 5900x 1.250V on core V and .900 on socket V with 4.7 all core, didn’t like going higher
@@lifemocker85 that is true, my biggest thing isn't really efficiency but temps I will correct the way I meant. I tend to go for it's rated speeds but if you lock it all core now adays people say that's an overclock even though I know that's not really what it is. So say 5900x I believe is rated for 4.7(without searching) so I lock all core to that and try to get the lowest voltage I can get so I can mainly lower my Temps with lowered significantly
Its better to have slight increase in clocks with mem oc + uv to get lower power consumption with performance increase. After certain mhz the gpus effiency flys out of the window and after that its just sucking more power.
no idea if you're aware already but this VRAM speed limitation was purely political: AMD couldn't "export" 600+ Gbps VRAM cards to China so they had to limit the GPU to 576 of them now that this GPU is worldwide AMD are willingfully improving its stats (horribly late though)
Games I can recommend to test if your OC and UV are stable are GTA 5 and Fortnite. Both games are very sensitive to "errors and fluctuations" on different cards. If it is unstable, it will crash for the first 5 to 10 minutes.
Im asking the gods to make this GPU purchasable here in brazil, i need to get a 5800x3D and this GPU because my 1660 super and 3600x isnt going to cut anymore.
My favorite ones, are from people who now think their 7900 GRE is going to be as good as a 7900 xt. But even with the overclock it's not even close lol. There are many titles where that difference will be nearly mute, or very small. Not only does the 7900 xt have more bandwhich, it can get to 2750+ on the memory, 3k easy onthe core. Has more memory, more streams, among other things. Even in that synthetic it shows the GRE still lossing by a decent notch to the 7900 xt, but the 7900 xt can also do a +15% overclock. And that's exactly what I did.
@@AbsoleteAim I've seen a few. In some games it's valid, but in others the difference is still vast. And that's against a stock 7900xt. Still a good card tho. Although, per AMD pushing a card ooften leads to drier timeouts, crashing, and other issues eventually. I wouldn't buy the GRE cause of what some people can overclock.
Wasnt the GRE made to be amd's fastest graphics card that didnt excede the "Performance limit" imposed by the government for export to china? If so, the reduced memory clock would make sense. though i'd think that AMD would have made that memory spec a hardware lock and not a soft lock if that were the case.
I thought It was a way for them to shift some navi31 down bins but in a smaller die (same overall GPU size as 78xt boards) Be interesting to see if there is now a separate driver fork for Chinese GRE
@@gruiadevil Nope. The limiting factor was the memory bandwidth. Before this driver update even if overclocked to the max frequency allowed by the driver it was impossible to reach 600gb/s. Now it's possible to reach over 680gb/s if you win the silicon lottery.
I thought I was crazy when i kept undervolting my 6950 and saw more fps each time I thought I was crazy. Turns out it really just gives performance. It made more sense when I switched to a ryzen cpu and it's overclocking worked similarly with PBO.
It's because of power limits. 1 Watt = 1 Amp * 1 Volt. If you decrease the voltage, you directly decrease the power draw, and because the cards are power limited in the bios, they can boost to a higher frequency before they hit that power limit (or thermal throttle). PBO works the same way, it boost your CPU within the power limits. You can also manually boost the CPU beyond the default power limits without undervolting though, unlike the GPUs.
@@mikehawk1441for the GPU it's volt x amps x frequency
@@GewelReal For silicon power calculations voltage becomes exponential. This is why a 10% voltage drop can get you 20% power reduction.
@AELabsHonkai what model do you have? I have the base model and just put the power limit on MSI afterburner to 110% to consistently hit 330w so I imagine if I tweaked the voltage and memory and core frequency I would get more fps
@@jaredhernandez333 I also have the reference model. I have my core at 500-2800, memory at 2360 Fast Timing, 1100 Voltage, and max power limit if i want max performance or default 0 power limit for much better temps and noise. For my OC as far as im aware the only possible way to gain more fps when power limit is maxed is to lower the voltage which can work under 1100 but it might cause driver timeouts and crash. Edit: I kind of gave up on the core frequencies because higher did not mean better on this card even if it can hit 2800mhz. I just gave it a super wide range and let it choose it's own clocks.
This is just one step closer to downloadable RAM. Truly crazy how far technology has come
Not really this GPU was purposely gimped then called out for it
Thanks for typing the correct response.
Overclocking is nothing new.
What do you mean dude? Downloading RAM has been a reality for a while 👍
Let's download moar cores.
15% increase is actually pretty substantial from the same card. Unless it’s intel arc after they patch a specific game lol.
You are blind. Check previouse Daniel comparsion amd drivers. Old drivers doing 102/103fps... real boost its max 7%. Not 15...
@@furieux6742 Ive seen multiple comparisons now. Hardware unboxed did one and its 10% on average. Depends from card to card really.
LOL 4%
"So anyway, I started undervolting"
No.
@@НААТ 😢
Undervolting is the new overclocking. Has been since 2016, so not even so new anymore. But with chips utilizing dynamic boost clocks, it's obvious that reducing voltage allows higher clocks within the same power limit.
"And at first, I thought it was stable. Only to then wake up in the morning with my screen being black, or no signal.
Huh, maybe it went into a sleep mode.
I started playing games as usual and as I was watching TH-cam I had a driver time out. Odd, didn't crash in the game but it did on the desktop That's funny.
I continue to play the games and eventually the game freezes and the system crashes. Now I'm just convinced to AMD is garbage glitchy and a bad card and broken drivers. It's not the fact that I started applying a heavy overclock and were undervolt, nope."
Pretty much what happens every time
@@THU31True, Undervolting can deliver more performance, especially if your hardware gets hot.
My last card I had, I undervoted that and got slightly better performance, about 2 or 3C lower temps and the fans didn't have to work as hard, the extra performance happened by being able to maintain the boost clock more.
On my current gpu, I Undervolted, performance didn't change but I got around the same 2 or 3C lower temps and the lower fan spin speeds.
It's worth doing it if you can keep the same performance or gain a slight boost, you get the advantage of lower temps and the fan not having to work as hard.
In any case, I find you have to do a few test to see where the sweet spot is for your own hardware, how far can you undervolt whiles keeping it stable and without losing any performance, or if you want, you can reduce a little performance and get a massive improvement on lower energy use and temps, which is what my brother did with his Ryzen cpu, I think he lost around 4% which honestly, you won't notice most of the time but he sliced off around 55 watts of power whiles being pushed hard and I think the temps were about 12-14C lower, in his case, the trade-off is worth it.
*Finally! Was waiting for a big TH-camr to make a video on this, 7900 GRE looking like my next buy now*
I am saving up too. Just a few more months
@@CpuWaiy Looks like a solid card!
@@CpuWaiy if you're waiting months you might as well wait for rdna4
Same here :) im getting it next month
Coming from an Rtx 2070 I've been absolutley loving my 7900 GRE! Plus the value just keeps going up!
I have a 3060ti and I've been wanting to upgrade to a 7800xt. But people keep telling me to skip a gen before upgrading.
Is that a good rule of thumb for PC gaming? I noticed you did the same but wasn't sure if you purposely did that.
@@carolinagamer2874 same here. commenting here because i also would love some advice
@@carolinagamer2874 I think going up when gen is fine if your are also stepping up to a higher tier. Like your example would be fine or if you're going from something like a 3060 ti to a 4070 super
@carolinagamer2874 yes. Upgrading less than 2 gens apart is dumb unless you have infinite money, in which case, get a 4090.
@@elirantuil5003so 4090 is only for those who have almost infinite money?
This was interesting and different. Thanks, Daniel. You don't have to do OC/UV testing like this often, nor do I think that you should, but when there's a good reason to do it, like here, it's worthwhile, IMO.
*Best stable GRE overclock*
Max core clock - 2720
Memory - fast timing - 2316mhz
Pl +15
990mv
Done.
If you get a crash at some point, up the mv to 1010.
this is different for every single card.
@@chrisbohmdrumming9269 No not really. trying to mimick the unrealistic overclocks people post that surely crash eventually or with updates is the issue.
This overclock is designed by me, and was designed to be very generous in terms of power still sent to the card and not trying to push it too hard.
based on every test I've seen of over 20 cards they can all do this without issue.
This overclock was done with thought. You can squeez more out depending on the memory type, cooling and power limits of your card ect.
But this one is a solid boost for all.
This worked on my XFX card. thanks!
A 15.7% performance increase from messing with some knobs is pretty good!!
Overclocking isn't dead after all.. HUB and Jayz2cents aren't always right I guess 😂
How much faster does it make it compared to 7800xt
@@diamonshade7484 Its about 8-10% faster stock. With oc its 20-25% faster than the 7800 xt.
@@LegionGamingTVdamn. That's like the rtx 4070 becoming the 4070ti super
@@jannclaudebinoya Are you saying thats not possible? Or are you just giving an example? Because thats literally what happened in Daniels video. The 7900 GRE is on average 10% faster than the 7800xt, and he got an extra 15.7% increase overclocking the 7900 GRE.. Add the 10% plus the 15.7% he just got from the oc and that makes 25.7% faster..
@@jannclaudebinoyaNVM my first comment bro. Im tired and misread your comment lol. Its bed time 😁
So we gets a small performance boost every time we got an update on this card, sweet!
AMD does this with almost all of their new GPUs
i did a similar OC for my 7900 xt with undervolt, overclock and power increase. Went from 100 fps to 113 fps in the cyberpunk benchmark 😮
4:45 - Anyone else remember “Golden Sample” editions? I can remember people buying GeForce 3 Ti 500, GeForce 4, etc., from eBay with a guaranteed overclock percentage and charging a 50% premium over the MSRP. This was all in a time when there were zero scalpers, and the MSRP was the buying price at brick and mortar retail, and online.
(Side note, anyone remember PriceWatch? Lol)
Back then, overclocking was an industry all to itself, and 3DMark 2000, 2001, 2003, etc etc etc was more popular than most PC games. Hahaha. It was a wild time to be a PC building and overclocking enthusiast. God, I miss those days….I don’t have the money to keep up anymore because components cost $2000+ for GPU, $500 for a CPU, $400 for the right PSU, $400 for the right motherboard….it gets too expensive too quickly, and we haven’t even talked about the price of cooling!
Fr like, they cost 5 year worth of salary and it's gonna last you for 3 years at most before you aren't gonna be able to run the latest title, tf is that
gainward golden sample... last one i saw of those was the 1080ti.
I remember Pricewatch. They always had crazy deals lower than PCPartPicker. I think PCPP only uses the mainstream retailers so their prices are higher.
@@darudesandstorm7002 dude that was it! I remember them now. I also remember the cards being sold on eBay “guaranteed to XXX clocks GPU XXX MEM,” etc. with the money back guarantee. Back then, the average Joe could still compete for overclocking scores. Now the price of entry is too high for most. :-(
cooling isnt a problem !! you just get and air cooling and you are ok...who cares about hydro !!
so basicaly a 15% increase(roughly) from the old driver to the new with an OC and undervolt... SWEET!!!! - I was honestly expecting more, BUT I think it will have a GREAT impact on the Ray Tracing side of it... because this is THE BEST RT CARD from AMD - best for you dollar..... at $549-$599 and to get almost 7900xt RT performance is GREAT!!! This is my FAVORITE card from AMD in the 7000 series.... best overall....
THANK YOU!!!
This is THE strangest grammatical EXHIBITION, I have seen in quite sometime. WHY do you not capitalise your first letter, but then CAPITALISE random WORDS!!!! - with multiple exclamation points? Utterly bizarre haha... All the best mate.
@@AJDOLDCHANNELARCHIVE Probably a type as you talk type, just my guess
Yes this should HELP the 7900 GRE get a little CLOSER to the 7900 XT makes YOU wonder WHY anyone WILL buy the 7900 XT NOW.
You are closer to the 7800XT than the 7900XT
no, it's still quite a bit behind the 7900 xt BASE in most games. There is more the 7900 xt does than just memory speed.
It was still lossing in that synthetic, and of course I too can add, and have added my own 15% oc.
you wouldn't even be close along with my bandwhich.
But with that said, the GRE is a FANTASTIC deal.
Holy shit! This OC literally makes it best perf/$ card of this gen by a mile.
This was fun, thanks Daniel
i love this guy i want to buy a amd gpu now
I have spend so many hours testing different overclock settings with my nitro+ xtx and it's really fun. Especially when you also get some free performance, however it is very dependent on what games you play and if you want the max performance in every game you need to make a preset for each game. But thx to Adrenaline software, that is pretty easy.
Have you heard any coil wine? Pll complaining about this
@@TheCobasmira Nope, never heard anything, i even have it on the desk right next to me.
love hearing undervolting tip...thanks for the overclocking demo, I just bought the exact same card...i would like to see 4k resolution results when you have time.
Its not good for 4k
In the video it gets barely 100 fps on 1440p
Great result! Thanks for the video!👍👍
Nice 15% increase easy with new driver. Now the GRE price per frame is much better at least in CP.
15fps in 1440p is crazy in a demanding game like this! I think i’m gonna get the 7900gre nitro instead of the 4070super.
Ay bro, i dont recomment the nitro+. I've seen a bunch of posts with that specific 7900GRE model having the worst thermal performance amongst its peers (even tho its a 3.5 slot card with a beefy cooler). I personally got the 7800xt nitro+ and that's working out well but there is a known issue with these nitro+ cards where the hotspot temperature gets >20C hotter than the avg gpu die temp. Not sure why that happens, some have RMA'd it, some have repasted with the PTM970 since RDNA3 uses chiplets and still no fix. I get like 60-67C max on my gpu temps but my hotspot easily hits 90C+ even with a mild OC, heck it even hits the wall when i just drag the power slider to +15%. Delta between gpu and hotspot should always be
Be careful cause you can also undervolt 4070S. I had to decrease 7900 GRE clock speeds cause 280W is heating room crazy (it's not comfortable when you have non stop hot air in your legs).
@@tushkan4ik111 same us my 3070 msi gaming z trio. 235-240watts 1440p in most games. But uv 180w max same performance and oc ram 1300mhz, in cs 2 power consumption between 70-90w. 😮 but the ram... nvidia not worth anything over 4090. Only 4090 has more sens, and crazy efficient. Fps per watts, but i buy used gpu 7900gre at week.
@@anodyneliniment2326 ohh thats good to know. I know the nitro has the biggest power limit as they can hit over 300+ watts. But not sure why thermal is issues on them
@@tushkan4ik111 thats why you put the case on your desk 🤣🤣🤣
GPU Clock - 2803 -> 2748
mV - 960 -> 1000
Vram - 2450 -> 2516
+15% board power. -> 10%
stable for the last 2 days.
sapphire pulse.
Edit: I returned the gre for am xtx. Stability was a hard fought battle but after troubleshooting for 2 weeks I returned the xtx and got a 4080s on sale for less then the xtx. The 4080s has been smooth with zero issues.
I cannot at this point recommend amd gpus in their current state. The fact the Nvidia was essentially plug and play after JUST a driver install, is too consequential to ignore.
Not bad! You're still not at the level of my 7900 xt, and of course I too can add 12-15% with an overclock extra.,
With that said tho, that GRE is a really REALLY good deal lol.
Cant you raise the vram speed to 2600 if you add like 40mV?
Because i think the memory clock is more important
@@TheRandomDude-qy1evshare your oc and if settings pls
@@chunk3875
Power Limit - +15
Max Clock - 2750 (it'll boost to 2800)
MV - 1060 (issues? raise it by 5 till gone)
Vram - 2750 (Issues? take away 10 till good
DO not use fast timings, they do next to nothing.
set fan to manual, turn off zero rpm mode.
If you have a hell hound like me, set it to 1200rpm. You won't even hear it.
Tada. You don't want to put the MV too high, if you put a high mv, and 3000 max clock you'll get LESS performance. There has to be a fine balance.
With this, I get close to my friends 7900xtx. Quite a good deal.
My temps are like 20-24 idle
32-50 playing a game usually. hot spot like 75 on demanding title.
I have a cold room, amazing air flow.
18:23 It makes perfect sense. You allow it more voltage, which means more power, which means hitting the power limit and temps sooner
I doubt the gpu is thermal throttling at 60°C
I got my hands on a new 6800xt.. needless to say, I’m more than happy with my purchase ❤
enjoy your slow old gen card
@@NeverSettleForMediocrity is it slow 👀 I play everything 1440p at ultra settings at 100+ FPS. I play at 4K 60+ which is fine on my television. Enjoy being a miserable prick.. I’ll be enjoying this card for 1-2 years. It was a hold over purchase and I’m happy with it.
@@sirhodlholdington7550 hahaha he's trolling you. Enjoy your beast!
PD: He probably have integrated graphics ;)
Hell yeah! Dan doing some OC’ing
Always love when Daniel starts floating around my screen as a mouse pointer lol
At launch the Rx 7700xt was $50 less than the 7800xt. The specs of that card didn't justify the price (not a good deal). The Rx 7900 GRE (really a 7800XTX) was $50 more than the 7800xt, but the specs of that card made the price a Good Deal. Now with the AMD Adrenalin update, this card LOOKS REALLY GOOD!
The hellhound is the model i have now too. I'm very happy with it so far
Ahhh Daniel overclocking? I'm looking forward to it! lets watch XD
I have the asus dual fan 7900GRE and was able to overclock it but performance gain is like 5-10% maximum from what I’ve noticed. It’s a great card I had the 3060ti before and it runs a lot faster and more Vram
I have the same card, but what's your setting?
I'm having issues with black screen crashes
I tried the tune you had since I have the same card and it actually gave me 16th place in the world on time spy lol
He has embraced his true calling as the mouse pointer!
Anyway, hope it doesn't actually become standard practice and we have to start buying "unlockable" VRAM
I bought 7900 GRE Sapphire Pure. It's flying on 1440p 170hz monitor. It also provides 60 or 60+ fps in 4k. I don't care for 5% diff, ray tracing and dlss, just pure raster performance. If i need to overclock it to play some game, then it's time for upgrade.
Cool video! I guess AMD are using this card to improve yields on the 7900XT chips, and are configuring it to underperform in order to not cannibalise on sales on their other cards.
950mV and OC is pretty darn good. I would say you won the silicon lottery.
It would be great to see several other games comparison with the OC versus the stock version. Especially in some high vram usage settings and with raytracing.
PowerColor Hellhound RX 7900 GRE
2829mhz boost
No minimum core clock
Undervolted to 980mv
VRAM 2543mhz boost (stock timings)
+15% Board power
Has been stable for a week and power draw is 284watts. Hope this helps someone. All done in amd adrenaline.
bro won the silicon lottery
@@DevChallenger002bro fr
Newly subbed. Thanks for this video! It was helpful.
The differences make total sense, it has more compute power, so when you have ray tracing it will be in an advantage compared to the 7800 XT. But the moment that the memory bandwidth starts coming into question, it's major bottleneck, then the 7800 XT is catching up, as it can fill up the bandwidth better than the 7900 GRE which is limited there. If one would put the 7800XT's Bandwidth on this card? It would also crush it there.
can you do an oc video to the 7800xt?
I have the same exact model (Hellhound 7900 GRE), and my PC crashes when I try to benchmark it with VRAM frequency above 2390 MHz. Many users (but not all) also reported poor overclocking performance for 7900 GRE. Since AMD provided Daniel this GPU, it could be that it has better silicon/overclock capacity for a review sake. Maybe I'm just unlucky (like many others) with the silicon lottery. Anyways, just wanted to bring this up in case you decide to buy this card with overclocking in mind.
PowerColor Hellhound RX 7900 GRE
2829mhz boost
No minimum core clock
Undervolted to 980mv
VRAM 2543mhz boost (stock timings)
+15% Board power
Has been stable for a week and power draw is 284watts. Hope this helps someone. All done in amd adrenaline.
Yeah same here
2430 vram
thank you very much the video i needed most
My 7900 XT Runs absolutely perfectly on the latest drivers.
I just switched to AMD, and it seems there was no better time.
I've been playing for hourrrrrs for days on both old games, new games, and retro games. Everything has been perfect.
And got a beautiful undervolt and overclock on it.
Idk why AMD has this "crash happy" stigma attached to it. 6950 XT never has an issue. Competitive and AAA games from the last 5 years all run perfect.
@@christophermullins7163 It's not the crashes that are the problem personally, but if you look at their patch notes apparently there are problems. The thing is when you run AMD and Nvidia side by side daily like I do you realize AMD absolutely earns the reputation of instability and poor drivers. They're miles ahead of where they were in the days of yesteryear, but when you run them side by side they just can't _quite_ get there compared to Nvidia. _Especially_ when it comes to VR.
@@christophermullins7163 Only time I've gotten a "Driver timeout" or crash is from me trying to overclock the thing by 15% lol .
And when that happens, just means i need to add a little more MV juice
But Nvidia is not different lol. I've had a 4070, 4080, and 4090. One second I think the overclock is good, then I crash randomly hours, minutes, or just sitting at the desktop lol.
Overclocking or undervolting can be a real bitc. It takes time, testing, and patience if you are trying to push high, or low.
Outside of self induced errors, never a single issue of ANY kind. The ONLY thing AMD wise I've ever had issues with is their metrics not showing up in certain games. that's literally it lol. And I use afterburner for all my chart goodness.
Have you tried Helldivers 2?
@@zodwraith5745 Look at Nvidias patch notes, and not the ones they show briefly. They have game crashing, and failure to boots as well. doe shappen more on amd on average, but Nvidia isn't out of the park.
could be possible to do a comparision between this card with this OC vs 4070 super? like a rerun? would also be nice if you also overcock the 4070 super ofc to make it fairer... Is clear this is a very special case because the 7900 GRE was heavily restrained but could be cool for a one time thing...
What ??¿¿ Why should anyone comparing a 7900 GRE to / or against a RTX 4070 Super 🤔🤷♂️that doesnt make any sense 🤚🏻 with or without OC 😏 because the Ngreedia 🤮 Card plays at a completly different price league /category 🤦♂️
techpowerup reviewed this exact Hellhound edition with the updated drivers, in OC its 90+% of the 7900 XT factory, and above a 4070TI in pure raster.
@@allcarparebeautifulmmmm the 7900 GRE hellhound he has cost around 580 and the 4070 super asus dual cost 590, how arent they comparable?.
@@kawafahra That's not what I meant at all with my statement😏 and it has absolutely nothing to do with the classification into price categories😉 I'm an ❤AMD❤ user myself with 3 AMD cards (RX 7900 XTX, RX 6950 XT & RX 6700XT) in 3 different ALL AMD systems and I've been building gaming and workstation rigs for almost 28 years! So I definitely know what I'm talking about... I still remember the time when you had to read / acquire all your knowledge from magazines little by little because there was no such thing as the Internet or only limited and rudimentary with a 56K modem 😂, however it's not worth mentioning. But back to the topic, it doesn't make sense because a crappy Ngreedia RTX 4070 SUPER costs around 650-750€ (AIB models here in Germany) and the RX 7900 GRE only costs 560-590€ , so based on the price alone it doesn't make any difference to me Sense. Of course, if someone is willing to pay 200€ more just for the Ngreedia feature set then so be it... there are a lot of stupid people since PC gaming has become so mainstream and it feels like there are more and more of them every day 🙄😜
@@kawafahra thats syntetic benchs, no games
Exactly what i predicted what would happen, even better value for the price i got the card for
wow you are a genuine Nostradamus
Bruh@@ivann4512
Pretty good it came quick
Hmm. Very strange. Previously, in the 7900 GRE vs. 4070 Super and 7800 XT comparisons at stock memory and GPU frequencies in Cyberpunk 2077, you had an average of 102 FPS (QHD Ultra). Now it is 95 FPS at stock frequencies. And after memory OC without GPU tweaks, 104 FPS. Why such an inconsistency between previous and current results?
Different amd driver
@@k1cs1m3a8 So it means that without memory OC, just with different driver you have almost same performance and memory OC give us only +2-3 FPS? What is all the fuss about? Update your driver and don't touch Vram)))
@@nikitamorozov7553 no, the new amd driver give +2fps. And with the unlocked memory oc you can get +15Fps. In overall the gpu can do %20 more if overclocked than in stock. In stock 5% faster than a 4070 super with overclock much bigger gap.
@@k1cs1m3a8 Sorry, but we are not talking about some probabilities. I compare certain previous video of this lad and current one - there is no +15 FPS difference. We have 102 FPS (old video result), 101 FPS (current video with 24.3.1 driver stock settings) and 110 FPS (24.3.1 driver with Vram OC and undervolted and overclocked GPU). This is less than a 9% performance gain.
@@nikitamorozov7553 you should re-watch this video…..
I have some knowledge of basic overclocked and I think the reason you lose performance when you push the voltage is because of the power limit and higher temp. In overclock to archive the higher clock speed you need the card to be more efficient, so undervolting make the card draw less amount of power to do the same task of work as normal card.
This make it so that higher voltage make the card reach power target before they can archived desired clock speed, also higher temp sometime reduced the clockspeed thus making it draw more power to push the clock and reach saturation much earlier than when undervolt.
I’m also not an expert just love undervolting my gpu to get best result, I might be wrong if anyone understand it better feel free to correct me.
overclock kills the undervolt
Daniel at 04:44 You should take into consideration that 7900GRE already has 20gbps memory chips wit PIMCs of 50A. So it should already run 2500mhz(20gbps) out of the box instead of 2250mhz(18gbps). Its not a normal overclock on every other amd card memory OC limit is +150mhz (+200mhz if lucky). This is, a crazy + 450mhz(4gbps) gain. Why amd ships it with 20gbps chips and marketed it as 18gbps? Maybe because in HUB review it was faster then 7900xt in one instance anyones guess?
It has the same memory as 7900XT that can OC to 2750mhz (22gbps). There are already ppl who OC the 7900gre memory to 2750mhz (22gbps) in 3dmark
Because of some crazy US to China export restrictions.
I have nitro plus gre model, mine is not even stable at 2500, my whole system crashes, at default no crashes, what could be the issue? I am not using fast timing, haven benchmark, 3rd mark stable at 2500 but actual games are not. Cs2 crashes, pubg crash
Increase power limit to max and keep it there if that doesn't work keep the power limit up and decrease the memory
I found the solution put power max min frequency 2700 max 2800 volts 1050 fast timings memory and set memory at 2300
have you tested this against a 7900xt or xtx as well?
Nice temperature 😍😍
Could you add the ffxiv dawntrail benchmark to your list? Us mmorpg players use hardware differently than shooters.
Would this give you better performance on a 7900xtx or xt Vs 4070 ti super with 4k or in others with fsr ray tracing games like avatar. Alan wake 2 etc
Also, not all of us like to overclock our parts. I, for one, prefer longevity over performance, but I'm not going to go for a card that performs badly out of the box, but some that does well out of the box without cutting its base life span.
AMD tends to overvolt their hardware so undervolted they perform way better
@@lifemocker85Ok, thank you! I will check about doing some undervolting then.
@@LordMidichlorian except its ok to overclock the memory. Its just free performance. Then maybe slight increase to clocks and undervolt as low as its stable. Mine 68XT is 200w after those according to adrenaline. So result is cooler, better performing gpu while power consumption came down drasticslly so tinkering your gpu is worth it.
Powercolor Hellhound 7900 GRE - AUD $899 - Sapphire PULSE 7900 GRE 16GB - AUD $939 - competing directly with the NVIDIA RTX 4070 and RTX 4070 SUPER.
The best part of the video was when he shrunk himself down into a mouse pointer. 🤣
4:35 A review benchmark shouldn't include overclocking by default. It's a fun tidbit for enthusiasts, though not necessary for standard reviews. Like you have said, it's a variable result that end-users will see.
The shrinking down to become a mouse cursor 😅
If you OC and think of it as heat management, you will get a tremendous amount of your AMD GPU.
I run a 6700tx that has a custom OC for each game. I'm getting 4080 numbers off this little 6700xt. I thought this would kill it because in some games the hit spot will stay between 100 and 110c for hours. But I have been doing this almost 2.5 years now. I plan on doing a deep clean on its 3rd birthday. Hopefully this will be the 1st time it's been taken out of the case.
What resolution
@diamonshade7484 1440. I don't use upscaleing in anything. I have a 37in curved wide screen 1440p monitor.
I will say controlling FPS to stay below the 165 fps of my monitor has also made a massive impact.
De-shroud it and slap some quality fans on it. You'll see a massive temperature reduction.
Im sorry man, but your 6700xt is nowhere near a 4080. Totally unbelievable and to be honest, a bit delusional. Just look at some 3Dmark scores. if your claims are true you run some 3Dmark scores and take that number 1 spot! Or start a youtube channel and blow us away with your overclock skills.
@mikehawk6918 I have no idea why I didn't think about that. I was trying to kill it in the beginning now that it works so well, I would like to keep it. It's handled all the abuse. I need to do something to help cool it down.
I'm quite mad at myself for not thinking about taking all that plastic off it and letting it breathe.
Let just say that, on a GDDR6, at least 2500Mhz is a given: above it starts concerning power, quality, and cooling, so it becomes variable but anyone with a GRE should "at a minimum" try the card to 2500 Mhz
could you compare OC version versus 4070 super ?
Try these settings in Helldivers 2. I'm curious if it will even work at stock settings without crashing in that game.
Don't touch min GPU Freq, loose stability in jumping loading !!!!
To understand how bad amd in ray tracing
0:42 as you see here rx 7900 gre got only 28fps
With the same settings rt overdrive ( path Tracing) max settings 1440p with my rtx 3070 dlss at quality I got 33fps !
So my 4 years old graphics card did better in path Tracing than the 2024 amd high mid range 550$ card !
Amd should really fix this !
2024 and only CP and Alan Wake have path tracing.
@mailsibul black myth wukong too will have ray tracing and ray reconstruction,
It's hard to make these realistic games you know path Tracing isn't an easy thing for developers
But what I know gta 6 will have path Tracing after they release it for pc
And that will encourage all developers to make realistic games
Amd should fix ray tracing performance before that happens
Nvidia too should upgrade ray tracing performance more on mid range cards
Because 2026 games will be have very huge improvement in graphics
Ue5 games we have right now is just prototypes
We still didn't get any ue5 game fully utilized the engine or even 50% of it
@@mailsibuland minecraft rtx, and quake 2 rtx, and any remaster made with Remix.
who cares about rt !!! all games right now its really wonderfull without it !!! and rt making the games so unrealistic !!! and its one future pretty useless cause non game out there has optimise !!! so for the most of ppl not a deal to go on nvidia !!! nvidia is great if you using your pc for work but for gaming amd is moving forward with raw power !!!!
@Chris.Thanopoulos ray tracing make games so realistic with real life sun rays and reflection and shadows
I think you Don't understand how it works
For example I'm playing minecraft with ray tracing shaders and realistic texture
It look gorgeous and relaxing
Ray tracing is the best thing happened to games
I'm so thankful for nvidia and I hope amd catch up soon
Loved my RX 6700 XT but ever since upgrading to RTX 4070 super, everything just runs much smoother. Initially I was thinking about picking RX 7900 GRE but since I only play on 1440p RTX 4070 super is more than enough for me.
I’m in the same boat but I’m waiting until I can double my 6700xt for $800 or less. 4070ti super is kinda close but not quite
Depending on what resolution you're on, I'd say wait for a future price drop for 4080/4080 super cause 4070 ti super isn't that much better than 4070ti/4070 super.@@ipotato95
So you paid more for less performance.
Not really, my cp2077 benchmark (w/o undervolting and overclocking) achieved a higher average FPS (105>101) and a much higher min FPS (95>86) compared to Daniel's results. I'm not a huge fan of Nvidia's GPU prices but coming from an AMD GPU, Niadia's DLSS/FG and other features are still years ahead of AMD.@@ZenAndPsychedelicHealingCenter
@@lucaschenJCamd fanboys only see the gpu prices, raw performance and vram, they dont see the other things
Still wondering why AMD didn't name this the "Radeon 7900" or "Radeon 7800XTX" for the international markets? Either name would've fit in the line-up, maybe they really wanted this to stick out?
Game Revolution Epic. ❤😮
It is not something new. They released a RX6700GRE in the previous gen as well. Both cards were made for China in the first place. They did this with the chinese RX500 series as well but instead of GRE they were named SP or something like this.
It makes sense to keep the name that the card already had in its original release. Why come up with tons of new names for the same cards?
They could've named it RX7900XL but does it really matter that much?
Power consumption increased less than performance so it's still within the efficiency range. That's why AMD kneecapped it at driver level. There is no reason not to overclock this card.
300w is not efficient. needs undervolt not overclock
golden rabbit edition. want to have a golden dragon edition for year of the dragon
It released last year explaining the Rabbit ✌️
I think this year is the wood dragon
@@diamonshade7484 😭
@@fracturedlife1393 - 9900 GDE for this year, whoo!
Double Dragon Pack!
Download more ram is now a thing it seems...
I was seconds from getting a 7800xt a few weeks ago then the gre was announced and my interest changed, it's only $150aud more than the 7800xt for both HH versions, I just need to know heat, noise and power draw so I can get a new psu to go with it if it's stable and quiet enough.
The 7800xt and 7900 GRE have very similar power draws.
For Sapphire Pulse GRE what's your UV values?
Hi I want to start Overclocking my 7900 GRE but is there a drawback? Will the life of my GPU be much shorter because I am overclocking in extreme titles like Cyberpunk?
Slightly shorter but make sure you don't over due the over clock make it stable
Is that 100+ watts board power with cyberpunk in the background as you alt-tab or just recording the video?
Id doesnt metter. Kingdome come deliverance, and a plague tale innocence when play background and minimalize to windows drawing same power us a playing normal game. Its depend on optimize and rendering games. No one games stoping when minimalized, and drawing gpu its only idle 10-20watts.
interesting thing about the 7700xt and the 7900gre, they use the same 20gbps memory chips as the 7800 xt and 7900 xt, just underclocked to 18gbps. This means the 7900 gre/7700 xt probably have more headroom for memory overclocking (tho I assume the MCDs are lesser binned)
Exept they use memory from multiple different vendors (some of which are faster than others).
@@blegi1245 it was according to the memory compatibility in the vbios in TPU, both variants were 20gbps.
not sure how accurate, but it would make sense with volume pricing and all
They are not exactly the same. Mine has a higher bandwhich on the card. And Mine does 2750 on the memory with no issue.
But the GRE is incredible value, it really is!! this new unlock by AMD was such a gift for us AMD users.
@@potatoes5829 18 gbps is the fastest all 3 manufacturers can supply. It's not a coincidence AMD (and Sony for PS5 Pro) specified that speed. That way you can bid all 3 manufacturers against each other and have significant cost savings. That makes faster than 18 gbps GDDR6 memory significantly more expensive. The memory supplied by the 2 manufacturers which can make faster memory is just down binned (or unbinned) faster memory (20 gbps in the case of Samsung and 24 gbps for SK Hynix). How fast the memory is on your specific card depends on which manufacturer you got and luck (remember the memory is specifically not binned to guarantee the rated speed for that manufacturer. It is only guaranteed to make the 18 gbps speed specified in the contract).
AMD must have specifically had some 18.5Gbps rated GDDR6 they needed to get rid of when they released the GRE in China. They did it as a reference only card. In the near year since then, yields have gotten better. When they gave the go-ahead for board partners to sell this globally, it doesn't save them any money in the current scene to specifically purchase a lower grade of GDDR6 than they are already using in mass for the 7900XT and XTX. They are just using them same memory chips. So what you are getting is 20Gbps rated chips, so this is neither driver voodoo nor is it the least bit risky in creating instability or burning out your card by upping the memory performance to this level at the a minimum. To me, this immediately makes the GRE the most attractive card in AMD's lineup.
I dethroned the 7800xt
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Looking at how it's been overclocking I'd guess it's not downclocked 20gbit chips from the 7800xt and up, but slightly overclocked 18gbit chips from the 7700xt and down. The 7700xt and 7600xt have been selling poorly so they probably have a grip of that cheap vram. It can also depend on different vendors as well where a Nitro or Hellhound might have better memory than a bare bones reference model at MSRP.
Also keep in mind there's still no _price_ on the Hellhound, they've only been sampled. There's no WAY it will be MSRP and if it follows traditional HH pricing it will hit $600 and match the 4070 super's price. Maybe that's why they still have no pricing this long after the GRE's launch when it can't match Nvidia's features.
18 gbps is the fastest GDDR6 memory all 3 manufacturers can supply. Faster GDDR6 than that is significantly more expensive. It's not a coincidence that Sony chose 18 gbps memory for the PS5 Pro.
Nope. They needed to limit the memory bandwidth in order to never be able to reach 600gb/s. Just a matter of export restrictions to China.
Pairing this with a 7900x
If anyone has the Sapphire PURE edition, please do let me know of your OC results!
Should be the same as the Nitro+. The problem is that it purely depends on the quality of the silicon. Some people are able to reach a stable 2700+ and some can barely achieve up to 2400mhz. The memory is identical (20gbps rated Hynix).
@@daveb9402 Right, I'm not the best at overclocking. I feel like I can't reach higher because I'm not undervolting properly. My auto OC (radeon software) provided me with 2390, so I feel like I can go higher.
That's the sorts of numbers we wanted to see. Now anyone got data on the XFX Radeon 7900 GRE Gaming, which I can buy for $50 cheaper than the Sapphire Nitro+? It claims higher GPU Clock Specs than the Sapphire Nitro+ and Sapphire Pure. Can't find the Powercolour Hellhound anywhere near me.
what data?
@@lifemocker85which memory chips they are using, or any successful overclocking data
One thing that can happen in rx 7000, or at least on the XTX is, that if your min clocks are too high while overclocking it can happen, that the clock of the VRAM goes down. This can be helped a lot with undervolting it
Which bios are you using on this card?
Anyone know which would be the best reference model ? For the GRE
3070 GDDR6X version could have 5-15% better performance just with increased memory bandwidth, so i could see more from GRE with little overclock on GPU too.
U can add +1500MHz memory clock in msi afterburner.
You know that "3070 with G6X" is called 3070 Ti, right? The extra memory only adds 5% of extra performance.
@@niebuhr6197 no 3070ti has extra cuda cores too, there is a 3070 with same cuda cores as normal 3070 and gddr6x memory.
@@niks660097 only has 4% more cores, that amounts to basically nothing. Memory makes the small difference.
Actually it is not the actualy voltage that decrease performance, it is the minimum freqs. If you push your min freqs, gpu will cut down power from memory or other things to try to achive that min freqs, that decreases performance significantly. Please do not use you minimum freqs more than 2ghz with rdna2-3 or just leave it where they are.
Does it work for 7900xt
Undervolting to get more headroom in dealing with powerlimits is not just an AMD thing, nVidia cards benefit from it in the same way.
Why didn't they do this out of the box? Could it have anything to do with regulations surrounding graphics cards to the China market? On purpose or not, maybe a better explanation than a very low quality voltage/frequency testing team at AMD. Just a wild ass Guess
ddr 4 with rx7800 xt vs ddr 5 rx 7700 xt witch is best
7800xt. It's not only faster but has 16gb of vram. But if possible get the 7900GRE instead.
@@jorge69696 but it's good than ddr 5 rx 7700 xt?
5:22 "limits to silicone quality" along with the quality and manufacture specs of your mobo, ram, cpu, psu and cooling solution, driver updates annnnnnd general software clutter
SHOW ME Rugular 7900gre vs 7800xt nitro. in 4k and 3440x1440
Dude create yourself as a mouse pointer pack... I'm absolutely positive it will sell.
I personally would aim for the highest speeds with the lowest possible voltage i can get
overclock kills the undervolt
@@lifemocker85ehh everyone’s hardware is different I suppose. My 3060 ti .975v with overclock to average 2025mhz user 210ish watts than compared to it using 300ish watts and 75ish C. It’s the asus rog strip V2 so my card can use total of 325 watts max but stock voltages and overclock too much power and heat, I do same to the 5900x 1.250V on core V and .900 on socket V with 4.7 all core, didn’t like going higher
@@BMGGHOST after certain mhz effiency just flys out of the window. if one wants effiency undervolt but overclocked effiency is gone
@@lifemocker85 that is true, my biggest thing isn't really efficiency but temps I will correct the way I meant. I tend to go for it's rated speeds but if you lock it all core now adays people say that's an overclock even though I know that's not really what it is. So say 5900x I believe is rated for 4.7(without searching) so I lock all core to that and try to get the lowest voltage I can get so I can mainly lower my Temps with lowered significantly
Its better to have slight increase in clocks with mem oc + uv to get lower power consumption with performance increase. After certain mhz the gpus effiency flys out of the window and after that its just sucking more power.
Especially in the case of the GRE, it is bandwidth limited anyway.
You want to turn up your power targets BEFORE you overclock the RAM
no idea if you're aware already but this VRAM speed limitation was purely political: AMD couldn't "export" 600+ Gbps VRAM cards to China so they had to limit the GPU to 576 of them
now that this GPU is worldwide AMD are willingfully improving its stats (horribly late though)
Games I can recommend to test if your OC and UV are stable are GTA 5 and Fortnite. Both games are very sensitive to "errors and fluctuations" on different cards. If it is unstable, it will crash for the first 5 to 10 minutes.
Im asking the gods to make this GPU purchasable here in brazil, i need to get a 5800x3D and this GPU because my 1660 super and 3600x isnt going to cut anymore.
Some of these responses are hilarious
My favorite ones, are from people who now think their 7900 GRE is going to be as good as a 7900 xt. But even with the overclock it's not even close lol.
There are many titles where that difference will be nearly mute, or very small.
Not only does the 7900 xt have more bandwhich, it can get to 2750+ on the memory, 3k easy onthe core. Has more memory, more streams, among other things.
Even in that synthetic it shows the GRE still lossing by a decent notch to the 7900 xt, but the 7900 xt can also do a +15% overclock.
And that's exactly what I did.
@@TheRandomDude-qy1evHaven't seen comments like that, just people saying they're glad that the GRE has even more of an advantage over the 7800XT.
@@AbsoleteAim It doesn't, because the 7800 XT Nitro+ OC by the same amount according to TPU's review.
@@AbsoleteAim I've seen a few. In some games it's valid, but in others the difference is still vast. And that's against a stock 7900xt.
Still a good card tho. Although, per AMD pushing a card ooften leads to drier timeouts, crashing, and other issues eventually.
I wouldn't buy the GRE cause of what some people can overclock.
@@TheRandomDude-qy1ev True, but I guess the whole thing is how it's a lot more consistent now with the overclock, though.
Now GRE just needs a price drop to 450$ ad it may be worth getting
after taxes
price already raised to 650 euro though, scalpers gotta eat
Then no one will buy a RX 7700/7800 XT... Here in Europe you will have to pay around 650-670€ for a GRE.
@@daveb9402 7800 and 7700 are also overpriced
@@daveb9402 7800xt should be 400 and 450 for GRE
Wasnt the GRE made to be amd's fastest graphics card that didnt excede the "Performance limit" imposed by the government for export to china? If so, the reduced memory clock would make sense. though i'd think that AMD would have made that memory spec a hardware lock and not a soft lock if that were the case.
I thought It was a way for them to shift some navi31 down bins but in a smaller die (same overall GPU size as 78xt boards)
Be interesting to see if there is now a separate driver fork for Chinese GRE
Only the 4090 exceeds that limit.
7900XTX and 4080Super don't. Anything below these 2, also don't ...
@@gruiadevil
Nope. The limiting factor was the memory bandwidth. Before this driver update even if overclocked to the max frequency allowed by the driver it was impossible to reach 600gb/s. Now it's possible to reach over 680gb/s if you win the silicon lottery.
Cpu temp 70c
Frontiers of Pandora dont likes los voltages