Big wearing test, which filament type is the most wear resistant?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 18 พ.ค. 2024
- Let's find out, which filament type is the most wear resistant (in friction with the metal). Tested material types: PLA, PETG, ABS, ASA, PC (PolyCarbonate), Nylon and TPU. Effect of the carbon fibres to the wearing is also tested.
Hopefully, there will be a scientific article, the link will be included here.
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Chapters:
0:00 Introduction, About wearing
1:59 Tested materials
3:32 Experimental setup
5:26 Start of the wear test (PLA)
7:07 PETG
7:28 ABS, ASA
8:09 PC
9:08 TPU
10:03 Nylon
11:22 Additional materials
12:29 Measuring the groove
14:06 Results, 6mm shaft
15:25 Wearing test, 3mm shaft
18:31 Measuring, 3mm shaft
19:32 Results, 3mm shaft
20:08 Two more, TPU
20:50 Conclusions
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Critique:
The wobble of the pin, presents a sharp edge that cuts the sample, rather than friction.
Perhaps chamfer the edge of the pin, to make sure only friction is measured.
I agree, but the wobble of pin is presented only with that 0.3mm shaft which I made from bolt. The 6mm was a real accurate shaft. But even then I believe that results are usable.
@@MyTechFunalso, I’m not sure if it matters, but I noticed the shaft rotating.
@@ManjaroBlack it will keep rotating unless everything is dead-dead square.
or till there is more friction that keeps it from rotating than there is of it moving down as it wears the samples.
@@MyTechFunI disagree sorry, what you’re measuring is cutting edge resistance, not abrasive resistance
I have to agree this is testing a cutting edge more than surface to surface friction. The test still provides invaluable data and the use cases are adjacent concerns in many applications, thank you for releasing this video! I would be extremely interested if you get a chance to repeat the test with a slightly rounded bolt, especially on those later samples just to see if the lack of sharp edge makes a significant difference
Hi Igor! I was very excited waiting for this video - I never saw a Filament Wearing test on TH-cam before... So, this was VERY NICE! Congrats my friend!
Thank you, I have plans for several more, similar (since I will try to write scientific article, which is useful on my workplace on University).
@@MyTechFun Oh, that's cool! It is nice that you can line-up your 3D Printing activity here to what you to academically. By the way, I sent you an email.
For next tests. Current measurement for the stepper to get also friction of the material as value. Also if your test pieces have relief holes at the end of 20mm travel, shaft will push all the loose material in the hole and it doesn't gather to the ends of the groove.
I would have never expected the tpu to do so well!
It's incredibly wear resistant, you'll only really beat it with HDPE.
@@Rippthrough i would think that HDPE would be abraided even faster than TPU since it's more rigid
@@Person1873 Sorry I mean UHMWPE, brain fade.
me too! very surprising result for that part, i expected nylon to do well but not for TPU to do so friking well, now i have to decide if i go for nylon over TPU for my gears
As some others have mentioned, I think the sharp edge may be causing an effect there, and I feel like it would be more representative of "true wear" if that was rounded over. That isn't to say this isn't valuable as is!
Another wear test idea would be to press the side of a spinning shaft into the piece for a set amount of time/revolutions. This would be similar to how Project Farm tests the ability of oil to prevent wear.
it's actually really interesting that PETG is the cheapest material but is performing extremely well in the test👀
PETG has some self lubricating property same as some some of the CF ins the Filaments he showed
You should test the filament from IGUS for the linear bearings! It's super low friction!
As mentioned in the video, I will get few meter sample materials. I hope it will be enough for my testings..
imagine if all papers have this format! that would be fantastic. Appreciate your work Dr. Gaspar. You are my go-to resource for 3D printed materials properties. I always share your videos and website with my students! Cheers!
This is really valuable information, thank you for doing this research and sharing it! I hope your videos will gain more attention, they can really help people choosing the right material for a job and helped me some times in the past! Looking forward to the tests with the Igus-filaments as I have tried using I150 I180 and I190 but don't have the time to test them as scientifically as you do.
Which IGUS you suggest? If I understud correctly, they will send me only few meter samples. So, probably I have to buy some to do more detailed testing..
It looks like I150 is the common one, unless you need some special requirement like food safe. $73 for 750g.
@@MyTechFun I can't really give a well-founded answer as my testing has been limited but I guess the I150 is the most relevant for most applications. I150 needs some tuning but then prints fine. I190 would be interesting as a comparison as it is much stiffer and marketetd to be better overall. Printing I190 on the Raise 3d Pro 2 has resulted in clogs for me so far, so I can't say too much about it. If you manage printing it, I would be very interested how it performs in comparison to I150.
Thank you for testing TPU. There are a lot of RC car skid made from PLA. I've only seen one person make from TPU saying it is self lubricating and thus is ideal for abrasive applications. So happy to finally see it proven to hopefully distrust that niche market.
it's not really self lubricating it's just very tough, Nylon has a lot lower cf. HDPE is better for skidpans either way.
Race/FPV drones use tons of TPU parts since they're basically indestructible from impact and also do well when skidding.
Great test Igor, thanks for posting!
Thanks for taking the time to do the tests. Useful data points to have
Way the best tests. Love this channel.
great findings, every time I watch your videos I learn a lot. Thank you
Fantastic work, mate!
Very interesting test indeed!
Wow! This investigation was brilliant! I loved the custom apparatus, really shows how much effort goes into this videos. Really rigorous and precise yet easy to understand methodology, and free results for everyone! The 3D Printing community is very thankful for your work!
This is the first testing of this type that I have seen. I'm so thankful for the work and dedication you have put into this and all of your other testing!
Wow, great, thorough, useful, informative video, can't wait for the next one, thank you!
Excellent content as always! Informative and well done!
thank you for conducting these series of really important tests, this is excellent data
Very nice work, thank you!
Great test. I will likely refer back to this many times.
Wow, I really appreciate this test! It's very useful for both hobby and work stuff for me, thank you!
That's quite the endeavor! You're a smart man. I appreciate your work. I know you put a lot into it. I enjoy your videos. Thank you!
liked and subscribed! well deserved for this absolutely well done test video, just keep at it, your channel will bloom sooner or later, thank you a lot for the testing, now i have to buy some tpu and nylon for my gears, cheers!
Your tests and showcasing the differences in materials is outstanding!
Not just for the mumbers, but for visualising how different materials act under the same constraints.
Thank you for this input!!
Thanks for the video. I gotta get me some high stiffness TPU. It also performs well in other regards: layer adhesion, temperature resistance, impact tolerance.
This is an extremely useful set of test data.
Really great video! Thank you for your commitment for these mechanical tests for 3d printing materials! 👌👍
great tests
best channel ever
Excellent work
An interesting test and results. My only concern, is that with the shaft having sharp edges, it might actually be cutting the material, rather than wearing it. I think that the reduction in diameter sort of proved it, as it seemed to be machining the plastic rather than wearing it. A solution to that maybe to radius and polish the end to a mirror finish and repeat the test.
Awesome thank you 🙏🏽 super helpful!!!
Very interesting, well done!
Interesting experiment!
impressive test, wow.
thanks for sharing your hard work with all of us 👍😀
Awesome comparison. TPU was a surprise to me! Glad my favorite PETG did well, I use it a lot on my boat.
Great video. Just what I needed. Thank you
Best channel for filament data
I suppose it's a sign of my ignorance but I am very surprised at the performance of the TPU. Thanks for the extensive testing. 👍
Awesome video! Back in the days I had to print a part that was used sliding in a channel and after few tested I used PETG, also tried Nylon as you. TPU seems a great choice too. Keep the good work. +1 subscriber.
Very Very Useful! I've subscribed!
amazing video!!
that was impressive!
On a previous job, I did something similar but for deformation of different filament under temperature. Testing a lot of samples to get good data is pretty tedious and I respect the effort you put in, I know there are so many hours of work in the background that you cut out for the video. Well done :)
It seems to be an OK base line test. But the accuracy seem I little skewed, trying to put up politely as I can. I am glad someone brought this up and good to see a test on wear. Please explore this with more accuracy and a better mechanical way of achieving the wear.
Good vid mate
AmazinG as always! U love your channgel and learn a lot!
This is excellent, really surprised the tpu is so good.
thank you for the data
Very useful data, thanks. I like the comments on a rotating test piece then weighing it. It will likely prevent the clogging.
I have found TPU jacketed cables are the best in the intertidal zone with wear resistance against movement on rock in the waves. So I was expecting TPU to do well, but always nice to see an assumption properly verified.
Thanks for your support. I am planning to do few more similar tests, with rotating wear (loaded horizontal shaft will rotate inside static 3D printed object).
Nice video. I will share this with my 3D printing friends so they can watch too.
i use esun pla+ for skid plates on my rc cars! glad you made this video to help me choose!!!
I did not skip video and got a gift!
Good information.
thank You for that video
This was a great video and look forward to the scientific paper. Please don’t let yt discourage you, your content is fantastic and it will eventually catch on. I will do what I can to share.
Posted on Twitter and Reddit, fingers crossed
Thank you for sharing your valuable experiment results.
Most of the experimental results were as expected, but I was surprised that TPU has such good abrasion resistance.
Keep it up. Keep it going
Thank you.
This test was very useful. I need to make some gears for the cable release of my car (EV). Instead of buying a complete mechanism, I thought I could just print the gear that need replacing. I guess PETG-CF is a good choice.
Thank you! A good and very useful video!
Ver interesting, i hope there will be more on this subject :)
Thanks!
Very interesting video. Definitely think this is gonna get some views
Fascinating!!!
i think you could try with PP filament and PET filament. It could be promising.
Awesome :D
Interresting video, would love to see you also evaluating polypropylene which is known for its wear resistance
Nice test! General rule of thumb would be whatever filament has the hardest surface. Usually if you match two of the same surfaces, the harder they are... the better they will perform. For example, two diamonds will cancel each other out and not really cause wear do to friction. Not always the case, but usually works. A softer surface wont scratch a harder surface.
Thank you for doing this. Very interesting and informative. Ninjaflex advertises a 75D tpu as more wear resistant than nylon. I was skeptical, but I guess it really is the best.
I haven't seen any of your videos before, it's out for four hours and shows 2.4k views. TH-cam recommended it to me on my home page.
Thanks for the video, really valuable angle onto filaments, which I haven't covered anywhere before.
Regarding improving your setup, I wonder if adding air pressure to clean away dust during the friction load test and then using a very accurate scale to just collect the weight difference might give you easier comparable results. The more relative weight loss the more wear was experienced. Scales are very cheap nowadays. :)
Also there are those tools for measuring hardness of like surfaces, I really wonder how those materials compare with each other if at all.
Good suggestion about using weight, I think. Resolution could be an issue on cheap scales though, to get below 1 milligram you jump up to laboratory balances at ~~$500.
Right on time. I made some shafts made out of PLA and it rotates inside of laser cut acrylic hole. Acrylic on acrylic binds but PLA on acrylic is better, with lubrication even better with load. Eventually used a support bearing.
Plastic 3D printed material is not for precision, ok for crude jobs, very hard to find the accurate tolerances for shrinkage and printing.
thanks for the video, love it! did you print these parts solid?
Suggestion, having fillets in the test specimens would save you hours in total printing time without any impact on the tests themselves, e.g. on the square area of the screws
cool vid
This was very interesting especially with the TPU. I’m glad you are going to test it with some filament made for high wear resistance like the IGUS ones. I believe IGUS adds small bits of a solid lubricant into their filament. Another type of wear resistant filament you could try is from the company “Spectrum” (they are a European company too and advertise sending filament to people who have a good project) they make a PC-PTFE blend and a PETG-PTFE blend, the PC-PTFE claims a similar wear resistance to the IGUS stuff. They also make other very interesting filament.
From what I have seen the IGUS filament is difficult to print, I have only used the Spectrum ones but they weren’t that bad to print but I do need to calibrate them further, they were very difficult to sand down to the final size though, so they definitely seem to be wear resistant.
Liked and commented. So hey TH-cam, show this to more people!
Thank you. Interesting results! I would have expected nylon to win it all, I'd never even heard of hard TPU but will check it out thanks to you. I do think a friction test would be super interesting. I often want to make washers/spacers or sliding bearings. Durability in those has never been that critical, but would still be nice to know what works best for the day that is more important.
Great video! Love your dryer reviews as well. Can you test the new Sunlu S4 to see how it compares to the eibos favorites?
I have 4 dryers in boxes, waiting for the review (including S4). After each review, I will have again comparison test of 5-6 dryers in one video.
Very good video, that I really enjoyed.
My only advice is that you should pick up a small 12"x18" maybe, granite reference table (maybe $100), at mid to low certification, certainly if not reading each from front to back stroke on each piece individually.
Great video, and am now subscribed!!!
Very surprising results. To be honest, I had bets on nylon, TPU would be at the bottom of my list. I need to reconsider my prejudices about TPU.
TPU is a great material,and as for the friction it is worth noting that it has pretty good chemical resistance too and can be lubricated. I actually use it for various vehicle parts where temperature is not an issue, like intake tubes and vibration isolation parts, shock stops etc. and so far it’s been outperforming natural rubber by far and even silicone tubing in many scenarios.
Great Video!😊😊 I would be interested in the igus wear resistant materials. You could use a rotating motion to get more consitent results.
Good job, thanks! What is the best ratio cost/prop in your opinion for gears?
Very nice video, would be very good to see also softer friction, something round and without sharp corners
Fantastic video. I love the scientific approach. I'm a chemist, and I'm interested in formulating an adhesive which provides wear resistance. I think I might start with a design similar to the one you showed here!
Great test, especially in absence of other data. I would suggest testing compressed air, steady or at intervals, to help remove the filings.
Great video! New to your channel
Great video as always, i would have loved to see a reference filament from igus, since they do sell their filament online and it's not prohibitively expensive and has greas the same friction characteristics of the linear bushings
Yes, I got many suggestions, IGUS will be tested too (my regular mechanical testing too, not only the wearing)
This content is so interesting. Thank you so much for posting! This is going to be very usefull for my 3D printed RC projects! Any plan to repeat the same with grease? And what about testing between printed rods and printed specimen? Printing orientation is for sure a key point.
Good science / engineering
Nice work. Gives a good idea on how filaments behave under these circumstances. Considering the small numbers of wear especially in the first test. Did you check the height of these samples before doing the test? Or at least offset it to the top of a part that hasn't seen any wear? I haven't seen this in the video but I may have missed a part. Can't be sure these samples are all the same height.
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Interesting test! An alternative method that might remove from variables: Use a metal disc of similar width to your pin. The rotating mass (provided it has a machined edge, and not polished) should provide a consistent pressure while avoiding the wobble of a pin. Would just need to be a slow enough speed to not cause heat buildup.
Great video Igor, I appreciate the level of thought and planning that goes into you results.
One thought, do you think the sharp edge of the rod is moreso shearing the plastic as opposed to wearing it?
Also if you make the rod slide to the edge of the test piece, or so half the diameter leaves the test piece, you make be able to overcome the plastic build up problem as the "chips will be cleared".
Lastly, I think compression testing would be fairly straight forward to do. Although not overly useful, I have found myself printing washers/spacers a few times and wondering how tight to crank the bolt in fear of a crush failure of the washer/spacer. I assume PC and standard PLA would be best for compression
Interesting.
First of all great video! Helpful data ... couple of ideas: 1) Curious the about the rotational wear as bearing 2) could have an electrical contact that could wear through to see life between aluminum block and hss bit 3) a cheap granite surface plate as a reference surface to measure from might be worthwhile as an investment, with a .0001 indicator 4) a sleeve bearing for that hss pin may help consistency and reduce wobble
Hm, yes, all very nice suggestions. The rotational wearing idea already given by others too with measuring the weight before-after (on analytic scale). Granite surface, yes, I should buy it already (for my metal working hobby too). Thx.
@@MyTechFun I can't tell you how timely your research so it is much apricated :) Another material would be a glass filled material as I suspect it will be a better bearing surface over the carbon fiber. I think the folks you got your nylon from also offer a glass filled and so does polymaker. There are also glass filled abs and asa options.
Great testing! It's surprising that carbon fiber doesn't provide a minimum level of protection if you will, affecting some materials negatively and others positively. I wonder if it has to do with how finely it is chopped or the percentage in the material. You definitely deserve more attention from the algorithm!
I think a good addition here might be to compare with a control - such as, if possible, some sort of injection molded samples.
Fantastic idea for a test and great execution, I loved your design for the tester. (All that scraping noise must have driven you crazy :-0)
One thong I noticed though is that when measuring the groove depth, you didn’t check the zero baseline on the other end of the groove. I wondered about this on the first sample, where the depth readings were increasing steadily as you went along the length of the groove; could it have been that there was a slight difference in thickness of the original part?
An excellent test despite my trivial criticism, these are important results for anyone making mechanisms that require long wear life.
=> I’d always assumed that nylon would be the best for gears, but now I wonder if very rigid TPU might in fact be better?
Excellent work. Very intersting. I would also like to see a wear test using a metal gear turning a printed plastic gear and also between two plastic gears. Could set torque by using the driven gear to lift a weight on a string and measure wear as the radial play in the gears.