How are you going to trash Alden for selling a boot overpriced with leather board midsole and then promote a boot for $600 made with foam……. Seems like your in it for the clicks🤔
@@Joebonesy I am also curious which boot you are talking about? I know that Weston likes the Thursday boots because they are only $200. For that price, they make killer boots that does contain some foam in the sole area. They are not made to last a decade, got to pay more for that.
@@Joebonesy Because there is an objective reason for having foam in those boots, there is no reason to use a leatherboard midsole over the leather midsole they used previously
It does blow my mind that there are people out there who do not look at it from a utilitarian stand point of materials but thats why there is room for all sides
I mean of course I do! It's just far from the only thing. From my POV the materials stuff is essential to understand but pretty straightforward. For me the real fun started once I began to think about and understand the everything else-history, lore, the differences between a good pattern and a PERFECT pattern, how a good last should really fit my feet (which is the most important thing, without a doubt), how to wear a boot or shoe with different clothing, the people who make or design or shepherd the footwear I love.
@stitchdown i feel we can all agree we wish alden would take all the history and lore and combine it with better materials because people love this brand and always will just wish they gave their fans better quality to last them for years to come
@@MrStreetninja007Thing that I’ve realized in the last day, that a lot of people don’t realize: Alden isn’t going to change their approach. Period. 99% guarantee. So people can either love them for what they are (I do!) or just purchase boots from other makers. It’s the seeming legitimate hatred of what they do that I’ve seen in comments on this and especially the shorter video that really confuses and concerns me. People can make a point with their dollars-if they opt against Alden that’s obviously quite fine. But it’s not like this 140 year old brand is choosing to wrong anyone…
@@MrStreetninja007 Totally! I don’t begrudge any (reasonable) person for wanting something different. I love so much of the whole spectrum but Alden will remain core to what I love. Both good choices!
I’ve had Alden Indy boots for 6 years. I wear them more than any other shoe I own. They are dress boots, to be worn to the office and around the house. They won’t hold up to outdoor or work activity. I love them because they fit my feet extremely well. So comfortable. They are almost ready for a re sole
Original Indy 405 boots were used by Ford to do construction work so it seems they made them cheaper and set the price to premium cause of the celebrity influence and they are garbage now.
I would be happier with a $399 to $499 price range for the Alden Indy, and I own 4 pairs 😅. This is a great discussion, very interesting to get to have this level of awareness, as a consumer this is the kind of conversation we should have access to. Alden is a classic and respectable brand, and as such they should listen and improve, this is valuable for any brand that cares about customers. IMO 😉
@@stitchdown Indeed ☺️. I love my Indy boots, and for me, they work just fine. But again, Alden should learn something about this conversation and improve; that's what great brands do. It does not have to be Rose Anvil’s perspective, just re-think some components to have a greater product. Is just my opinion. 🙌
Good talk. Weston’s channel has been great to revealing which emperor has no clothes. I think one way to think about Alden that hasn’t been mentioned is that if Alden’s materials are not in accord with $600-$1000 boots, then the justification for why the price is so high is that people are willing to pay mostly for the name and the former reputation. I have always wanted a pair because I like the look, but not for $600+.
Dear aldenfanboys: When you hire a reputable contractor/engineer to build your house and paying considerable amount of money, what are your expectations with the output? Would you ignore, overlook if the engineer use inferior materials just because he has a reputable name? Of course, logically, when choosing reputable name +(plus) paying high price would be =(equals) to expectation ofquality result in almost/all aspects . , Perhaps the reason why many are disappointed with alden My 2cent
Well done! I’m a huge Rose Anvil fan and this video made me know him and appreciate him even more than I already do. This may be the only one hour plus video I’ve ever watched. Hello, I’m Bob and I’m a boot nerd.
It's a good point that cost of living has a major impact on cost of production in a location. Most of the PNW boots are made in Spokane or other places in the boonies relatively speaking, Alden is a stone's throw away from Boston which is a relatively high cost of living area which means production there will cost more. People act like made in America is some huge boon but they don't talk about the fact that they're not making those boots anywhere near where you live. And don't get me wrong I don't want a boot made in San Francisco because it would cost even more than Aldens for the same quality of boot but we already have a microcosm of the global market going on just in terms of buying stuff made in the US where they make that stuff where it's cheap and ship it to you to sell. It's not significantly different to me if that's made in bumblefudge Minnesota, Leon Mexico, or China.
I genuinely hate rose anvil. Before I found his channel I was happy with a pair of Nike tennis shoes. Since then I've averaged one new pair of boots every week or two. I've now got Vibergs, Grant Stones, a couple Red Wing Heritage, 3 pairs of White's, a pair of Nicks, a pair of Wescos, and 7 pairs of moc toes! My finances have suffered tremendously from this newfound interest.
I audibly said "YES" when weston was speaking about jeremy clarkson's ability to share his passion in a way you can understand regardless of your interest in the topic. Spot on
Another great episode! I agree with both of you on the Indy Boots. I have a pair of 401s and 403s, and I wear them a ton. To me, the Trubalance last just fits my foot so well. The boots look great, and they are insanely comfortable to me. However, yes, there were some QC issues. I ended up sending both boots back for some repairs. One needed the upper leather re-stitched on the vamp as it was peeling up from the day I got them. The other one drove me crazy as the tongue would always slide down the side of my foot so it had to be sewed up higher. So while I do love the on-foot feel of my indy boots, no, they are NOT perfect. Far from it. So I'm with Weston here: are they bad boots? No. Are they overpriced boots? IMO, yes. Do I still like them? Yup. Will I buy more Indy boots in the future? That's to be seen. I would LOVE to see them improve their QC, and improve the quality of materials to more natural leathers. MORE LEATHER IS MORE BETTER. All of that being said, I also agree with Ben that I do love the fact that Alden is still doing it all in the US and maintaining the heritage brand that prioritizes making products in the US rather than shipping over to China and completely downgrading the quality of construction and materials (even more than they may have already done in order to control costs associated with American Made construction and labor costs). Like Weston said, I would love to see improved materials, but if that meant the cost of the boots increases by an extra $100 - $200, I'm probably out at that point. The boots are already expensive, and I feel like we could get a SLIGHT improvement on QC and materials for what we are paying. For now, I'm happy with my Indy boots, and wearing my 401s as I type this. Love the conversation, and I find any perceived drama over the expressed opinions to be quite hilarious. That's the fun thing here: no one is WRONG. Man, we are all such dorks! haha Love you guys.
Rose Anvil is providing a needed service the industry. I personally will not ever pay north of $500 for a boot made with such inferior materials. It funny to see Alden fans try to justify these prices.
Diggin' through the shit, story of my life. I am 100% using this at some point in what's left of my time here on this planet. Great insight, outstanding interview all around, absolutely love this. Well done gentlemen.
I tend to agree with Weston on the Alden thing. Comparing $600 PNW boots to $600 Aldens, to me, is like comparing a $80k truck to $80k sedan. Yes, they are built differently for very different applications and needs but the components that make each up should be of equal quality. Really enjoyed the conversation and your perspective though, Ben! There can certainly be nuance and some intangibles when it comes to why we love the things we love.
The problem is that the PNW boots aren't of equal quality. Alden is in a different universe in regards to styling and finish on the uppers. Pseudo-rugged neckbeards simply attached to a proletarian aesthetic.
@@MrStreetninja007 If you're going hiking, vibergs quality holds up better...by far. On the other hand, Alden is in a completely different league when it comes to styling. The problem is a bunch of angry proletarians just found out that Indiana Jones is a fictitious character, and they're enjoying their revenge on the last American dress shoe company. I understand. They don't own a suit.
Rose Anvil cut the Common Projects sneaker and it had a similar reaction to the Alden boots. The quality of materials arguably doesn't justify the price. At the end of the day, if there are reasons that you want to buy them and you enjoy them. Go for it.
Regarding the Alden discussion, I think it’s hilarious that a bunch of people (not just Weston , but every boot nerd in the discussion) who seem to be so into the “work aspect” of boots seem to be completely ignoring the role of actual labor in the equation of boot prices. I don’t know how much any of these companies pay their workers, but if it turns out that Alden pays better salaries and gives better benefits to the people actually making the boots compared to the other American boot makers, then that’s something worth considering. If you actually care about labor and not just the labor aesthetic, then you should support the companies who treat their laborers the best, even if that means paying a little more. Does Alden actually do that? I have no idea. Maybe they treat their workers like crap. But that’s a big part of the investigation and conversation that is missing.
That’s a fair critique and something I have to try to remember when making content. Especially when the algorithm rewards expensive stuff and over the top concepts.
@@RoseAnvil to be fair, I tend to agree with your stance. If it turns out that it is a cost cutting technique to line the pockets of the executives and not the people making the boots (which, let’s be honest, is probably the likely scenario), then I definitely think it’s ludicrous that they are selling those boots for nearly twice as much as boots in the same quality ballpark. But as others have said, people don’t make fashion choices based purely on value and quality. They like the style and they like the Alden name. And there is plenty of footwear out there that is much lower quality being sold for much more money than Indy’s.
It's silly to call Alden overpriced without taking into account the distribution and retail network. You can get a variety of Indy boots in-person in most major cities and on the internet, and have them on your feet within days. If you want White's or Nick's, both of which are great, you are looking at a wait time of something like 4-10 months. If White's or Nick's decided to take their most popular models, make thousands of them as stock, and have them distributed across the county, they would be substantially more expensive. They are different business models. But, as a throughline, availability/distribution is a component of cost, and any discussion about value/pricing/cost is grossly incomplete without factoring that in.
One thing I wish people would look at is this: do you want to buy a boot where the cobbler resouls it with the exact same materials that were used originally. Or do you buy a boot that when it gets resouled the cobbler puts in better materials or adds things that were not in the boot originally. I have seen so many rebuilds where a mid soul is added to red wings. And leather board is replaced with leather in other brands/synthetics replaced with traditional materials.
@@stitchdown You will pay extra for them to replace the synthetic materials, it would be better and cheaper to resole if they can use better materials to start with.
Complains about the quality of a shoe that will last for a decade or more and then says the shoes he REALLY likes cause so many blisters and so much pain he has to take breaks from wearing them. Ever wonder why Alden are so much more comfortable?
Nicks boots are true PNW boots and they take a month to break in so pain and blisters are normal but they are super comfy after. Aldens are cheap shit with a high price tag due to it being in a Hollywood film.
As someone whose gone alone at a few of these events, I can honestly say I’ve never been as comfortable in a group of total strangers as I am with this crowd…so basically, Weston come through to Bootcamp!
I agree with both sides whole heartily, having said that i personally dont see the value in Aldens, but thats me. Also i desperately want that dangerously reductive t shirt
Does anyone do this for the UK market? With UK made boots / USA boots that ship to the UK and a comparison in that market… price point of a USA boot + duty + shipping Vs. A UK made boot…
If the Indy’s were priced aroud $300-$400 I could see the value from a heritage and style perspective. Above that and I just can’t get with. I prefer Italian chelsea boots for dressier styles, and a more rugged American heritage boot for casual styles (can’t bring myself to buy Japanese boots for the price 😂). At what point does style, heritage, and materials = the cost to purchase? Hard to say
It’s probably from the Christmas giveaway we did last year where a bunch of the brands donated free boots for us to give away. I’m 99% sure it was stated in the google forms we used for the giveaway, I’ll double check though. Also I dont think its legal to sell emails so I definitely didn’t do that haha
imo - this conversation is for entertainment purposes only. Weston is just helpful to new you tubers to get more subs. In stridewise side, hitching a ride with Weston is a brilliant way to start a channel. Kudos for this show🎉
He still doesnt get it. “Someone is going to make a better Alden”. It won’t be an Alden though. It will be a Grant Stone or something else. I own far more Nicks boots than Alden, but I appreciate for what Alden is. I still love my two pairs of 405s, even though I love my Nicks more. I could care less if they use leather board. They are super comfortable.
Good point. However, he’s saying that you could have a better built boot for that price from Alden itself. They are no doubt marking up the price of the boot because of their legacy and the films. Their qc is also bad.
@@StolenAlias yes they are definitely charging more because of their name. This is common. Rolex, Gucci, BMW. All charge more because of their name. Yes Alden’s QC is very poor. Both of my 405’s have numerous problems. However to take a note from the PNW makers, “none are structural”. It’s just frustrating. Same issue I have with Whites. Lots of QC issues.
@@StolenAliasI definitely don’t worship them. I just enjoy my two pairs of 405’s. Don’t see myself buying anymore Alden’s (too busy buying Nicks!). However I’ll still enjoy my 405’s and their history. I’d take Alden over Oakstreet Bootmakers all day.
We all have a budget. I drive a $20,000 Ford. It's kind of hard to justify any car that cost over $100,000, and ask if I'm getting $100,000 worth of metal, plastic, glass, airbags........ What if that $100,000 car were fairly priced? It's like me asking when Weston is coming down to Panda Express to wash dishes alongside me.
Im so tired of people defending Alden. Even if you’re a sucker and don’t care if you get fiberboard in the soles and heel and a split leather insole, they still have horrible qc. You literally cannot defend that. The evidence has been shown.
This tells you all you need to know about this guy. Trashes Alden for selling a boot that’s overpriced cuz of leather board midsole. Then he promotes a $600 boot made with foam…….. doesn’t quite add up
@@StolenAlias he wore a pair of cordovan dress boots for mile hikes…… you show me where Alden advertises cordovan dress boots as hiking boots. Don’t worry I’ll wait
@@Joebonesy aren’t they advertised as being Indiana Jones’s boots? Its not just Weston that had qc issues. I had qc issues after 8 months, another youtuber had some qc issues with the sole and heel coming off. Stop defending a company that doesn’t value you.
@@Joebonesy even if he did use them for hikes tho, they’re still $600 to $900. That amount of money means the quality control should be better than it is. The sole shouldn’t be coming off.
@@StolenAlias dude.. just because something is expensive doesn’t mean it’s indestructible when used inappropriately. And he clearly didn’t treat them at all. What QC problems did you have? Was it repairable? also if you look up the story Harrison ford chose to wear alden. you have him to thank
Good chat fellas, thanks for having me on! The only issue I have is how sad I look in the thumbnail
How are you going to trash Alden for selling a boot overpriced with leather board midsole and then promote a boot for $600 made with foam……. Seems like your in it for the clicks🤔
@@JoebonesyI'm curious which $600 boot this is?
@@Joebonesy I am also curious which boot you are talking about? I know that Weston likes the Thursday boots because they are only $200. For that price, they make killer boots that does contain some foam in the sole area. They are not made to last a decade, got to pay more for that.
@@patrickmiao1698 it’s the boot he’s talking about in this video. His collab with nicks boot the ND3 I think it’s called.
@@Joebonesy Because there is an objective reason for having foam in those boots, there is no reason to use a leatherboard midsole over the leather midsole they used previously
It does blow my mind that there are people out there who do not look at it from a utilitarian stand point of materials but thats why there is room for all sides
I mean of course I do! It's just far from the only thing. From my POV the materials stuff is essential to understand but pretty straightforward. For me the real fun started once I began to think about and understand the everything else-history, lore, the differences between a good pattern and a PERFECT pattern, how a good last should really fit my feet (which is the most important thing, without a doubt), how to wear a boot or shoe with different clothing, the people who make or design or shepherd the footwear I love.
@stitchdown i feel we can all agree we wish alden would take all the history and lore and combine it with better materials because people love this brand and always will just wish they gave their fans better quality to last them for years to come
@@MrStreetninja007Thing that I’ve realized in the last day, that a lot of people don’t realize: Alden isn’t going to change their approach. Period. 99% guarantee. So people can either love them for what they are (I do!) or just purchase boots from other makers. It’s the seeming legitimate hatred of what they do that I’ve seen in comments on this and especially the shorter video that really confuses and concerns me. People can make a point with their dollars-if they opt against Alden that’s obviously quite fine. But it’s not like this 140 year old brand is choosing to wrong anyone…
@stitchdown thats very true but i am glad we see into the interworkings of them now so more can make informed decisions with their dollars
@@MrStreetninja007 Totally! I don’t begrudge any (reasonable) person for wanting something different. I love so much of the whole spectrum but Alden will remain core to what I love. Both good choices!
I’ve had Alden Indy boots for 6 years. I wear them more than any other shoe I own. They are dress boots, to be worn to the office and around the house. They won’t hold up to outdoor or work activity. I love them because they fit my feet extremely well. So comfortable. They are almost ready for a re sole
Original Indy 405 boots were used by Ford to do construction work so it seems they made them cheaper and set the price to premium cause of the celebrity influence and they are garbage now.
I would be happier with a $399 to $499 price range for the Alden Indy, and I own 4 pairs 😅. This is a great discussion, very interesting to get to have this level of awareness, as a consumer this is the kind of conversation we should have access to. Alden is a classic and respectable brand, and as such they should listen and improve, this is valuable for any brand that cares about customers. IMO 😉
Love all of this…I think we all wish they were $400 but the 90s ain’t coming back unfortunately!
@@stitchdown Indeed ☺️. I love my Indy boots, and for me, they work just fine. But again, Alden should learn something about this conversation and improve; that's what great brands do. It does not have to be Rose Anvil’s perspective, just re-think some components to have a greater product. Is just my opinion. 🙌
@@stitchdown well yea in the 90s Alden used a real leather midsole
Good talk. Weston’s channel has been great to revealing which emperor has no clothes. I think one way to think about Alden that hasn’t been mentioned is that if Alden’s materials are not in accord with $600-$1000 boots, then the justification for why the price is so high is that people are willing to pay mostly for the name and the former reputation. I have always wanted a pair because I like the look, but not for $600+.
Dear aldenfanboys:
When you hire a reputable contractor/engineer to build your house and paying considerable amount of money,
what are your expectations with the output?
Would you ignore, overlook if the engineer use inferior materials just because he has a reputable name?
Of course, logically, when choosing reputable name +(plus) paying high price would be =(equals) to expectation ofquality result in almost/all aspects . ,
Perhaps the reason why many are disappointed with alden
My 2cent
Well done! I’m a huge Rose Anvil fan and this video made me know him and appreciate him even more than I already do. This may be the only one hour plus video I’ve ever watched. Hello, I’m Bob and I’m a boot nerd.
Hello Bob I’m Ben, you’re great and l’m starting to worry I may be a boot nerd too.
Thanks man that means a lot to me!
It's a good point that cost of living has a major impact on cost of production in a location. Most of the PNW boots are made in Spokane or other places in the boonies relatively speaking, Alden is a stone's throw away from Boston which is a relatively high cost of living area which means production there will cost more. People act like made in America is some huge boon but they don't talk about the fact that they're not making those boots anywhere near where you live. And don't get me wrong I don't want a boot made in San Francisco because it would cost even more than Aldens for the same quality of boot but we already have a microcosm of the global market going on just in terms of buying stuff made in the US where they make that stuff where it's cheap and ship it to you to sell. It's not significantly different to me if that's made in bumblefudge Minnesota, Leon Mexico, or China.
I genuinely hate rose anvil. Before I found his channel I was happy with a pair of Nike tennis shoes. Since then I've averaged one new pair of boots every week or two. I've now got Vibergs, Grant Stones, a couple Red Wing Heritage, 3 pairs of White's, a pair of Nicks, a pair of Wescos, and 7 pairs of moc toes! My finances have suffered tremendously from this newfound interest.
Love this…but never forget when it comes to financial decisions: there will always be more boots!!
@stitchdown same can be said about money, they print more every day! 🤣
We’re still talking about leather-board? No one has ever said Indy Boots are uncomfortable lol
Literally the most comfortable GYW boots I’ve ever owned. And I’ve had a pair or two.
HAHAHA yep. He can’t let it go.
There is no arguing the comfort
Not uncomfortable, just made with shit materials lol
For 600$ it should be all leather not leather substitute shit.
Great interview
Hey thanks for watching!!
I audibly said "YES" when weston was speaking about jeremy clarkson's ability to share his passion in a way you can understand regardless of your interest in the topic. Spot on
I love that man
@RoseAnvil haha for sure. Love your content by the way. One of my favorite on TH-cam!
Another great episode! I agree with both of you on the Indy Boots. I have a pair of 401s and 403s, and I wear them a ton. To me, the Trubalance last just fits my foot so well. The boots look great, and they are insanely comfortable to me. However, yes, there were some QC issues. I ended up sending both boots back for some repairs. One needed the upper leather re-stitched on the vamp as it was peeling up from the day I got them. The other one drove me crazy as the tongue would always slide down the side of my foot so it had to be sewed up higher. So while I do love the on-foot feel of my indy boots, no, they are NOT perfect. Far from it. So I'm with Weston here: are they bad boots? No. Are they overpriced boots? IMO, yes. Do I still like them? Yup. Will I buy more Indy boots in the future? That's to be seen. I would LOVE to see them improve their QC, and improve the quality of materials to more natural leathers. MORE LEATHER IS MORE BETTER.
All of that being said, I also agree with Ben that I do love the fact that Alden is still doing it all in the US and maintaining the heritage brand that prioritizes making products in the US rather than shipping over to China and completely downgrading the quality of construction and materials (even more than they may have already done in order to control costs associated with American Made construction and labor costs).
Like Weston said, I would love to see improved materials, but if that meant the cost of the boots increases by an extra $100 - $200, I'm probably out at that point. The boots are already expensive, and I feel like we could get a SLIGHT improvement on QC and materials for what we are paying. For now, I'm happy with my Indy boots, and wearing my 401s as I type this. Love the conversation, and I find any perceived drama over the expressed opinions to be quite hilarious. That's the fun thing here: no one is WRONG.
Man, we are all such dorks! haha Love you guys.
Rose Anvil is providing a needed service the industry. I personally will not ever pay north of $500 for a boot made with such inferior materials. It funny to see Alden fans try to justify these prices.
Diggin' through the shit, story of my life. I am 100% using this at some point in what's left of my time here on this planet. Great insight, outstanding interview all around, absolutely love this. Well done gentlemen.
I tend to agree with Weston on the Alden thing. Comparing $600 PNW boots to $600 Aldens, to me, is like comparing a $80k truck to $80k sedan. Yes, they are built differently for very different applications and needs but the components that make each up should be of equal quality. Really enjoyed the conversation and your perspective though, Ben! There can certainly be nuance and some intangibles when it comes to why we love the things we love.
Nailed it all the way through-good stuff!!
Better way then i said it lol
The problem is that the PNW boots aren't of equal quality. Alden is in a different universe in regards to styling and finish on the uppers. Pseudo-rugged neckbeards simply attached to a proletarian aesthetic.
@seppukusushi2848 id love your take of alden vs viberg on quality
@@MrStreetninja007 If you're going hiking, vibergs quality holds up better...by far. On the other hand, Alden is in a completely different league when it comes to styling. The problem is a bunch of angry proletarians just found out that Indiana Jones is a fictitious character, and they're enjoying their revenge on the last American dress shoe company. I understand. They don't own a suit.
Rose Anvil cut the Common Projects sneaker and it had a similar reaction to the Alden boots. The quality of materials arguably doesn't justify the price. At the end of the day, if there are reasons that you want to buy them and you enjoy them. Go for it.
Bro I got threats when we did the common projects 😂
@@RoseAnvil That happens when you insult their religion.
Regarding the Alden discussion, I think it’s hilarious that a bunch of people (not just Weston , but every boot nerd in the discussion) who seem to be so into the “work aspect” of boots seem to be completely ignoring the role of actual labor in the equation of boot prices. I don’t know how much any of these companies pay their workers, but if it turns out that Alden pays better salaries and gives better benefits to the people actually making the boots compared to the other American boot makers, then that’s something worth considering. If you actually care about labor and not just the labor aesthetic, then you should support the companies who treat their laborers the best, even if that means paying a little more. Does Alden actually do that? I have no idea. Maybe they treat their workers like crap. But that’s a big part of the investigation and conversation that is missing.
That’s a fair critique and something I have to try to remember when making content. Especially when the algorithm rewards expensive stuff and over the top concepts.
@@RoseAnvil to be fair, I tend to agree with your stance. If it turns out that it is a cost cutting technique to line the pockets of the executives and not the people making the boots (which, let’s be honest, is probably the likely scenario), then I definitely think it’s ludicrous that they are selling those boots for nearly twice as much as boots in the same quality ballpark. But as others have said, people don’t make fashion choices based purely on value and quality. They like the style and they like the Alden name. And there is plenty of footwear out there that is much lower quality being sold for much more money than Indy’s.
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It's silly to call Alden overpriced without taking into account the distribution and retail network. You can get a variety of Indy boots in-person in most major cities and on the internet, and have them on your feet within days. If you want White's or Nick's, both of which are great, you are looking at a wait time of something like 4-10 months. If White's or Nick's decided to take their most popular models, make thousands of them as stock, and have them distributed across the county, they would be substantially more expensive. They are different business models.
But, as a throughline, availability/distribution is a component of cost, and any discussion about value/pricing/cost is grossly incomplete without factoring that in.
I am waiting in the next few more months if the Alden will increase the price again. after all the issues of them
I like the look of Alden Indys but I won't pay more than $150 and that's why I would probably never own Alden 😂😂
One thing I wish people would look at is this: do you want to buy a boot where the cobbler resouls it with the exact same materials that were used originally. Or do you buy a boot that when it gets resouled the cobbler puts in better materials or adds things that were not in the boot originally.
I have seen so many rebuilds where a mid soul is added to red wings. And leather board is replaced with leather in other brands/synthetics replaced with traditional materials.
Interesting point! It also brings up the fact that you CAN get that kind of work done when the time comes. Which is some nice optionality to have!
@@stitchdown You will pay extra for them to replace the synthetic materials, it would be better and cheaper to resole if they can use better materials to start with.
Yeah but it's better to get the correct materials off the bat.
Complains about the quality of a shoe that will last for a decade or more and then says the shoes he REALLY likes cause so many blisters and so much pain he has to take breaks from wearing them. Ever wonder why Alden are so much more comfortable?
Because they are very much inferior to the ND3 from Nicks.
Nicks boots are true PNW boots and they take a month to break in so pain and blisters are normal but they are super comfy after. Aldens are cheap shit with a high price tag due to it being in a Hollywood film.
As someone whose gone alone at a few of these events, I can honestly say I’ve never been as comfortable in a group of total strangers as I am with this crowd…so basically, Weston come through to Bootcamp!
Haha what’s up my man see you and all my favorite strangers in a few weeks!!
I agree with both sides whole heartily, having said that i personally dont see the value in Aldens, but thats me. Also i desperately want that dangerously reductive t shirt
That’s the biggest question of them all. WHERE ARE THE DAMN SHIRTS!!!
It’s going to be the first Rose Anvil X Stitchdown collab the “Dangerously Reductive” tee
what is a Zonda? I want one!
A ridiculous and wonderful supercar made by Pagani…worth a google!
I want one too
Great conversation. Weston if you see this, get a pair of Russells for Moctober.
Thank you!! Russells absolutely rock.
The order in is baby!
Does anyone do this for the UK market? With UK made boots / USA boots that ship to the UK and a comparison in that market… price point of a USA boot + duty + shipping Vs. A UK made boot…
That idea of a Nicks boot built on the TruBalance Last. Holy crap. Sign me up man.
If the Indy’s were priced aroud $300-$400 I could see the value from a heritage and style perspective. Above that and I just can’t get with. I prefer Italian chelsea boots for dressier styles, and a more rugged American heritage boot for casual styles (can’t bring myself to buy Japanese boots for the price 😂). At what point does style, heritage, and materials = the cost to purchase? Hard to say
need more wide widths. Agreed!
Why did Rose Anvil subscribers get unsolicited e-mails from Grant Stone?
Because he sold our emails addresses to Grant Stone, Chisos, and a couple other brands.
@@EDHBlvd Yep.
It’s probably from the Christmas giveaway we did last year where a bunch of the brands donated free boots for us to give away. I’m 99% sure it was stated in the google forms we used for the giveaway, I’ll double check though. Also I dont think its legal to sell emails so I definitely didn’t do that haha
imo - this conversation is for entertainment purposes only. Weston is just helpful to new you tubers to get more subs.
In stridewise side, hitching a ride with Weston is a brilliant way to start a channel.
Kudos for this show🎉
He still doesnt get it. “Someone is going to make a better Alden”. It won’t be an Alden though. It will be a Grant Stone or something else. I own far more Nicks boots than Alden, but I appreciate for what Alden is. I still love my two pairs of 405s, even though I love my Nicks more. I could care less if they use leather board. They are super comfortable.
Good point. However, he’s saying that you could have a better built boot for that price from Alden itself. They are no doubt marking up the price of the boot because of their legacy and the films. Their qc is also bad.
@@StolenAlias yes they are definitely charging more because of their name. This is common. Rolex, Gucci, BMW. All charge more because of their name.
Yes Alden’s QC is very poor. Both of my 405’s have numerous problems. However to take a note from the PNW makers, “none are structural”. It’s just frustrating. Same issue I have with Whites. Lots of QC issues.
@@EDHBlvd THANK YOU! Finally a sane man who doesn’t worship Alden and can be realistic. Thank you my dude.
@@StolenAliasI definitely don’t worship them. I just enjoy my two pairs of 405’s. Don’t see myself buying anymore Alden’s (too busy buying Nicks!). However I’ll still enjoy my 405’s and their history. I’d take Alden over Oakstreet Bootmakers all day.
You are s shill when you have links posted for buying the product, and you're getting a commission.
Lol 1:00:00 Hilarious. Alden apologist.
1:00:50
Alden apologist 🤣🤣
We all have a budget. I drive a $20,000 Ford. It's kind of hard to justify any car that cost over $100,000, and ask if I'm getting $100,000 worth of metal, plastic, glass, airbags........ What if that $100,000 car were fairly priced? It's like me asking when Weston is coming down to Panda Express to wash dishes alongside me.
I drive a 2017 Honda fit, it’s about as good of a value per dollar as you can get! But you are right, its a fair point to make. I’d wash with you btw
😀@@RoseAnvil
Im so tired of people defending Alden. Even if you’re a sucker and don’t care if you get fiberboard in the soles and heel and a split leather insole, they still have horrible qc. You literally cannot defend that. The evidence has been shown.
I directly reference that!
This tells you all you need to know about this guy. Trashes Alden for selling a boot that’s overpriced cuz of leather board midsole. Then he promotes a $600 boot made with foam…….. doesn’t quite add up
His boots didn’t have the sole coming off after 6 months.
@@StolenAlias he wore a pair of cordovan dress boots for mile hikes…… you show me where Alden advertises cordovan dress boots as hiking boots. Don’t worry I’ll wait
@@Joebonesy aren’t they advertised as being Indiana Jones’s boots? Its not just Weston that had qc issues. I had qc issues after 8 months, another youtuber had some qc issues with the sole and heel coming off. Stop defending a company that doesn’t value you.
@@Joebonesy even if he did use them for hikes tho, they’re still $600 to $900. That amount of money means the quality control should be better than it is. The sole shouldn’t be coming off.
@@StolenAlias dude.. just because something is expensive doesn’t mean it’s indestructible when used inappropriately. And he clearly didn’t treat them at all. What QC problems did you have? Was it repairable? also if you look up the story Harrison ford chose to wear alden. you have him to thank