Neither are the emissions from the underground…..I wonder why khunt doesn’t do anything about them but is happy to fleece the poorest in society. Liebour as usual
How many have you destroyed then? I guess none... Not picking on you but the whole trouble is no one does what they suggest!! They make the suggestion and expect others to do it for them, such is the mentality of the U.K. Sorry mate but you need to do what you say, not merely suggest it...
That's over the top of people working. They are trying to ban the car and force everyone to ev. Which can't be implemented fully because the power systems can't keep up .
Something scary to note about the ULEZ is you pay for the date you have driven into the zone. You don’t get 24 hours to drive in it once you’ve paid. If you drive in at 23:45 and you’re still driving at 00:15 you have to pay twice. Which absolutely screws night shift workers such as myself who would get hit twice just for going to work once. I can’t go on the bus or the train at that time of night as there aren’t any.
this happened to me left ulez at like 23:50 went back in at 12 am as was at a car meet and got 2 fines however only gave the the option to pay for one trip so got 2 fines :)
i keep hearing this from night shift workers but if you pay in the morning to go home you are covered to go back to work in the evening so you only pay once a day (midnight to midnight) of course we shouldn't be paying at all
People need to stand up for once and say enough is enough, they cant keep charging us like this. Only caring for the rich few who can afford the charges,
@@carlsimpson9978plenty of protests being held in London, there’s been three in the past month. Join some of the anti ULEZ Facebook groups. Just don’t expect to see it broadcast on the news since the media tends to side with the government.
There are protests going on just the media seem to not show it. There was a court case about this ulez though I heard we have to wait till the end of the month for a conclusion from the judge. There's Facebook groups against ulez and the camera locations including spots where cameras were taken down. You'll see on there too what protests were going on against ulez
He really is the most ineffective mayor London has ever had. Whoever thought driving the cars out of every single company in London is a good idea. To get a tiny amount of pollution off the whole. So much for schools, businesses, homes, hospitals, doctors and the poor in London and surrounding areas.
It´s just causing more pollution to be produced for making the cars, even worse if those have batteries + the electricity which is mostly coming from fossil fuels. But hey, pretending is everything
The ace cafe was famous for a lot of famous groups like the rolling stones etc, who use to do gigs up and down the country before they were famous, so many musicians would spend most of there time on the road this was during the 50's & 60's so when great groups came down from up north to do gigs in London, the ace cafe was the place to go for them.
Independent research has shown that the ULEZ expansion would bring about little benefit to air quality. It's just a cash grab. Since the Mayor wants us all to use public transport, people should question why he's trying to improve air quality above ground level when the air pollution on the London Underground is so poor. Ace Cafe is a great venue and I hope it survives the ULEZ madness.
@@terrancedactielle5460 The Mayor had to get an independent company to research and report on the impact to air quality as part of the ULEZ consultation. The report did not support the Mayor's narrative so he chose to ignore the report in the same way he ignored the results of the ULEZ consultation for which the majority of the vote was against the expansion.
I grew up just down the north circ from Ace cafe and it's gutting to see how much effort has been put into place by Brent council and the mayor of london to stop the car events. Max power nights were something else
@@wayland7150 I'm unsure. I think it's a 40 year thing. Older cars are exempt from ULEZ and don't require an MOT, although it's still required that the cars must be roadworthy. They're also tax-exempt. They still need to be "taxed", but no fee is payable. I could drive my '69 Alfa through London and pay nothing.
I see mark let you on the roof 😂 It’s just another example of them crushing small businesses The staff and owners of the ace don’t deserve this attack on the business They good people who have built a good community of petrol heads for years
Used to go there from 05-07. There was a Bmw meet on the first Monday of every month, driving from Bristol. It was a great atmosphere and plenty of hooning going on. Police pretty much turned a blind eye to it and this was even after some bad accidents there. Just shows how things have changed but I guess the advent of TH-cam car blogs gave it a lot more exposure.
Used to ride up to to the Ace from the south coast on a weekly basis in the late 90's early 00's , will be a real shame to see it effectively wither an die as people just wont be prepared to pay the charges , if only we could pick up the whole Cafe and move it
That's how they make beamish museum, they disassemble old buildings and reassemble them like a giant at jigsaw. I imagine it's a tad expensive though 🤦♂️
@@bleachyberserko4191 That is what I was going to say, if at all Financially Possible, they need to Disassemble the Ace and then Re-Assemble it in Douglas on the Isle of Man. Right in the heart of Bikeland!
Sadly I think the Ace Cafe days are numbered if Sadiq has his way as is kept on. Ulez is a huge cash grab con, especially considering the ever increasing amount of "ulez untaxed" planes using London airports and Gatwick now using the emergency runaway as a regular runway. No one seems to consider the increased damage to roads caused by the huge weight of ev vehicles. We are all being mugged.
Don't forget , once those flats become occupied there's no chance they'll put up with any noise or shenanigans . Also, if ULEZ is expanded ( God forbid )and you happen to live within the zone you're going to be charged for driving your car anyway so it won't make any difference where you drive to .
They certainly was Marc, I started going up there in my bmw e38 728i some 20 years ago .as you said the ford nights were the best nights ,this ulez bollocks is going to kill londoners and its businesses. Khan is all about destroying London, the bloke is out of control and needs removing from office.
There 's no good protesting about this form the out side... The only way you can fight ULEZ is to stand for council and fight it from the inside. The more sensible people that do that the bigger the difference will be.
You don't stand a chance, it's all being driven from the EU grants for making these changes. You would have to be an MEP which we have none. In other words, the UK has paid a tonne of money into the EU and to get some back we have to conform or we lose it all
@adamiddins7528 Codswallop. We left the EU. The Tory govt didn't want to fund the London public transport system. Just like they dont want to fund anythinf public. Grant Shapps forced Khan to expand ULEZ as part of TfL funding. Read the TfL funding agreement.
Check your cobra out on the ulez checker. Oddly the daily 3.0td 5 series isn't ulez compliant however my 8.2lt cobra is 😂, I know which one I'll be driving in London next time.
@@roryrobinson7136 its most likely a kit car, and possibly built within recent years. (Do correct me if im wrong though). But yeah ULEZ doesnt always make sense. My Impreza is ULEZ exempt, and defo isn't very environmentally friendly.
I've been going to the Ace Cafe since the early 90's from my AX GT, Saxo VTR, Abarth Punto Evo, 2 x Mercedes to my current car, its a great Cafe with a good atmosphere but It's a shame the ULEZ charges will keep the older car owners away as the owners won't want to pay the charge. The Mayor of London is not bothered about what will happen to businesses he just wants the income. The Chelsea Cruise (if it still happens) will get hit by lack of cars as well. Even the Mini London 2 Brighton run won't happen from next year. Let's hope the Ace Cafe stays open in 1 form or another for future car fans to enjoy.
Send the meets to farmland a few miles from any town/city and the police can't do anything since no-one is complaining and the local farmer gets a few quid in their pocket from cars dropping £1 in the "Honour" box for re-seeding etc... One of my plans if i ever win the lottery is to buy land, install a gate and allow meets to happen with a donation of £1 per car to reseed the grass, install tyre barriers or lighting etc...
The simplest argument against ULEZ is to look at it for what it is, a punishment for being poor. If someone still drives a T reg focus or 54 reg astra diesel, chances are they have that sub £1000 value of car because that's all they can afford. But someone who owns a 7 year old Range Rover who bought it new, they'll have plenty of money to go and buy another car. If you can afford a modern, less polluting car, good news! You are allowed to drive in London. What, you can't afford to buy a new low emission car? This old Y reg mondeo is all you can afford? Well, you better cough up sunshine and pay for the privilege of being poor, or throw the car away and do without. It's truly scandalous, and the sort of people who think up these ideas have no idea how the real world works.
I like a fast car as much as anyone, and used to be a regular at the Ace on my various bikes, but the driving like you see in your video is playing directly into the hands of those who want to shut it down. Would have been good if you could have interviewed Mark to get his thoughts on the future of his baby. If the ULEZ extension comes in, I won't be going there any more, sadly.
Great video, Adam. I love the Ace Cafe, and had forgotten the ULEZ will hit this wonderful, historic place. Do need, to pick up on a few things; 1. The aforementioned 2003 Ford Focus probably WILL comply. If it's petrol. It's down to the NOx emissions. If it's below 0.08 g/km it should be accepted. (I have a 2001 Saab 93 that complies). 2. The ULEZ affects bikes, too. Many of the bikes (that are older than 2007 but not 40 years old or more) will be hit. And the charge is the same as it is for cars; £12.50 3. The camera's monitoring ULEZ aren't ANPR's (as far as I know). They purely there to pick up on your vehicle, so as to charge you.
I'm not sure if you know this but ANPR stands for 'automatic number plate recognition'. The ULEZ cameras utilise ANPR to read your number plate and upload it to a database so they know who to charge. It's the same as ANPR cameras on toll roads or the M1, etc detecting whether the car is on the road and is taxed, MOT'd, insured, etc!
It's not just ULEZ, it's bad behaviour leaving venues, showing off for the cameras, that's causing problems which is why Ace Cafe has had to close Friday evenings...
It's ridiculous, my cobras donor car 75jag would be compliant, it's rv8 engine would be compliant in the original sd1.. but as it's a kit built in 2002 it's not complaint.. just madness.
I think the injustice sits with those who can't afford to get rid of their 2003 Ford Focus. Those with Teslas and the sort clearly can already afford the 'luxury of having an EV.
2013 was not the peak of car meets at ace cafe that was the 90s and not the max power shows it was the fast ford shows they used to shut down everything that was also about 10 road layouts ago😂
Thanks again for a great clip. Nice to see you got me in it though I'm afraid if ulez comes to Ace then my Black R33 will not be able to attend after August 😢
Haven't been to that place in years, it got very intense with desperate begs doing drive bys as if their fathers build the cars. Literally killed it for the most of us.
Got many things to say about this ulez expansion but this ain’t the place, short version, no extension of the zone. What will also kill off ace cafe is the new builds go up around the cafe. Just over the back is a whole new housing area. As soon as they are all built finished and people living in them they will start to complain and inevitably it will create more problems and possibly result in the cafe being closed. It would be very sad as the place has so much history
The problem isn't the ULEZ, the vast majority of vehicles that attend meets at The Ace are either young enough to be ULEZ compliant or old enough (over 40 years) to be exempt, so much as people's ignorance of the ULEZ. Only last week I was standing next to a middle aged sportsbiker only too happy to tell everyone this would be his last visit because of Kahn's ULEZ, while standing next to his 2021 Kawasaki!!
I remember when JAPNIGHT GOT CLOSED down .THis single Decker Bus was driving past Ace Cafe and these guys started shaking the Bus while people were in it and almost turned it over .Then the Law came down and closed off the road and trapped everyone and that was the end of Japnight. I really feel sorry for the people in the bus some were old woman just trying to get home after a hard days work and they were terrified
horrified looks of the passengers I feel sorry for them truly is Kathy had no choice, but to close the event after the police got involved rightly so.every car that was parked by ace cafe was trapped and not sure what happened to Those people and if they got in trouble
As a Motorcycle rider, it was one of the "go-to" destinations, a 240-mile round trip for a coffee, a burger and to nearly be taken out by some twonk doing doughnuts and thinking he was Barry Kenevil or Evil Sheen, now as a car driver I would have to pay £8 to get out of Birmingham, £12.50 to get into London, then probably another £8 to get back into Birmingham, I think I can give it a miss to be honest.
The Ace is a historic building, attending is or it should be seen as paying homage to the iconic architecture. Decades of fashion plus bikes cars vans have met at the Ace.
Used to ride there from the Polish War Memorial at Northolt Airport to the Ace Cafe, change ride to race. in the late 50's. The North Circular just went straight passed and under the railway bridge, no mini roundabouts or any other silly modern things.
It’s going through the courts right now as to the legality of the ULEZ. If it is removed then all the cameras will likely just be used for pay per mile where every vehicle gets charged. Which would be an excellent system if they removed the road fund licence and the heavy taxation on fuel. Otherwise we’re being taxed three times for the same thing.
Unfortunately the ulez is coming in August there's a lot of car events that will stop because of it, the famous London to Brighton mini meet is one of the big ones
I'm an old biker and live just inside the next ULEZ expansion. With the 20mph now everywhere and cameras spreading like weeds, I've got rid of my 2 fastest bikes. You can't use them. Also, if you own an old, small capacity motorcycle that still does mega mileage, you pay £12.50, the same as my old 3L deisel.
one thing to note. if your car is 40 years old. its ulez exempt. i have a 06 m3 which is fine but my 91 golf will be 7 years short of 40. so ill have to pay it. love ace cafe. chilli chips and cheese then pull some big wheelies for the crowds. what a time it was back in early 2000's, was sketchy at times tho lol
Try for a certificate of comformity if it meets the nox/hc submit to dvla or tfl but depends whos in the office at tfl. There is also the court cases this month to go through if they win i don't know. If they don't win then pay per mile is the next thing as thats these cameras are really for.
I used to live round the corner, was a regular for most of the 00s . Max power, old school fords and classics night we're all pretty special as well as the bike meets. Can understand why they changed they road layout, was very sketchy most nights with people driving iding like dickheads. I'm sure it'll survive, the Ace has stuck around through worse, and a lot of bikes can be certified compliant even if not euro3
Forget it pal. Unless you vote Labour out, its ulez all over the country. You won't be able to afford to work. The idea is sell your car , lose your job, wife and kids leave, you lose the house. So think long and hard. Best bet vote Reform, they hate ulez. And no one likes the tories either.
Wow that Tommy R34 definitely star the show ulez if it goes ahead we’ll probably end the Ace café I hope not it’s such a great place and Adam has brought us some amazing content from outside £.12.50 a day doesn’t seem a lot but it works out at 62.50 A week 250 a month and 3K a year Just to drive your vehicle into the city WTF now that is a lot
Great work as ever. Pls pls pls Adam do some more content for the car community on the subject of ULEZ extension. It is truly sad what might happen with car meets and the sort. There are plenty of anti-unlez facebook that enthusiast should consider joining.
The owner of the Ace Cafe knows it's days ate numbered. I was at a bike show last weekend (1/7/23) and they said it would be their last show because of ULEZ. Who wants to pay £12.50 before they even get to a venue
A good vid, Sadist Khan doesn’t seem to understand the amount of misery and hardship he is causing to the majority of Londoners. He is not going to solve very much with the ULEZ charge because it is going to affect loads of businesses and drive them out of pocket, maybe just to plug a gap in his financial dire straits with TfL overspend. He’s gonna find out very soon that his career may as well be better off in North Korea.
This reminds me of our old Speedway venues and drag racing events. Oh the noise is unbearable and must be shut - locals complained! Shame I can't print what I'd like to say...
Been going ace cafe since 1984 since I got my license bike and cars this ulez has cost me 2 vehicles 😢 big protest tomorrow 5th trafalgar square 11am till 4pm we need to fight this bull 💩 to keep events and places like the ace cafe alive...
When the fine comes through say you dispute the charge and want a county court jury trail. The judge will have to dismiss as this is not lawful plus the fact that enough do it the system will choke up. Would it be that this could apply to the incumbent foreigner!!😢
I remember the café all bordered up and the road just outside was 2 lanes of the 4 lane A406. It was always heavy with traffic even back then. The bridge arch's where a tight spot. Then the new road was built widened and moved right over. The Ace stood alone and there was space. The city has grown and now look at it. New flats as someone else has pointed out here are the nail in the coffin. When it fist reopened is attracted a lot of old vintage bikes. Well they can't go............. it will just be a cafe /coffee shop for the locals............Tesco express. Shame, I hope the building has a preservation order on it. It should have because of the history.
I can't see ULEZ not happening, but not for the reasons you may think. At this time electric vehicles are not generating revenue for the government and this needs to be addressed, at this time electric vehicles are not subjected to Vehicle Excise Duty (VED - Vehicle Tax) or high taxation on fuel and they won't be able to do that without also increasing the costs of heating a home. The solution will be a road charging network (pay by the mile motoring) which is currently being investigated by an all party parliamentary committee (search Google for road pricing parliament) - In order for this to be possible a camera network is needed and this is where ULEZ comes in. Eventually they will switch to road pricing (pay per mile) and the weight of the vehicle, type of road you drive on and the time of day will be considered. Ulez is the beginning, not the end
The pay per mile consultation on the mayor assembly was bollocks but filled it out. As you've said the ulez cameras are really for pay per mile but i can't see it working because it would have to be nation wide you can't just have London as pay per mile and nothing outside the m25 ring. Pay per mile would have to be debated in parliment
They tried to ULEZ Manchester and over half the councils said "Absolutely not" and they are "rethinking it". When they announced that, ANOTHER council said no. So it got worse for the ULEZ crew.
Most cars beyond 2006 should mostly be ulez compliment. So things like Nissan GTRs, EVO X, Toyota Supra mk5, Honda civic Type r should all be fine as an example. Unfortunately anything pre-dating 2006 will need to pay the charge.
As a fan of another mode of transport, the Ace is near one of the wonders of the North Circ - the aqueduct that carries the canal OVER one of the busiest roads in the UK. And no, no narrowboat burning rotting pallets and coal to keep warm is ULEZ compliant
There was an interesting thing where if you give your car to the Mayor of London, then he would be liable for any fines received by driving his car through the ULEZ. Not sure the legal implications but might be worth trying if you have a £500 banger.
While I'm not a Jap car enthusiast , but my son is ( I'm a Mercedes enthusiast and have a W124 daily driver , R129 , W114 , W111 and W105 ) , I do support you in this . I'm in Scotland , so while this does not affect me directly , I think it is terrible that an established institution like this might be disadvantaged . Of course historic vehicles , 40 years or older are exempt , so please get as many older cars as possible , especially 60s or 70s muscle cars with large V-8s , to attend as they are exactly the cars to incur the Wrath of Khan , but are exempt . Also perhaps encourage a steam traction engine rally , right into the centre of London - again Steam traction engines , which burn coal , belch out black smoke and need to stop at fire hydrants , have not been banned from ULEZ as they tend to be 100 years or more old . A rally past Westminster , with steam whistles sounding , would get attention . And how would the council try to tow any such vehicles which happened to park , given they weigh 30 tons upwards ? You have my support , besides which don't these idiots know that motorsport and many classic events now use sustainable fuel ? F1 and this year's Mille Miglia certainly do . Could you perhaps reach out to Jeremy Clarkson , who I'm sure would also support this , and get him to produce something that would show khan up for the idiot he is ? Also , don't forget our new King Charles is a car enthusiast with a collection of Aston Martins - if he was invited , and attended a classic meet there , I doubt there would be any danger of the place being closed - no local politician would invite his displeasure .
The solution is to get rid of incompetent polititions
Politicians
Politicians
All sold out to the WEF.
Wait for plandemic 2.0 and climate lock downs.
Asasination needs to make a comeback form the 60’s 😂
Don't usually want to see harm to people but I wouldn't. Mind seeing Sadiq Khan take a minor beating can see why he has so much personal protection
As someone who works next to Heathrow airport I can confirm that those planes taking off and landing every 90-120 seconds are NOT ULEZ compliant
Neither are the emissions from the underground…..I wonder why khunt doesn’t do anything about them but is happy to fleece the poorest in society. Liebour as usual
All the cameras need dealing with, they can only enforce it if we let them.
Exactly, if this was France, they would have all been destroyed, on the day they were installed 😂
100% 👍🏻
How many have you destroyed then? I guess none... Not picking on you but the whole trouble is no one does what they suggest!! They make the suggestion and expect others to do it for them, such is the mentality of the U.K. Sorry mate but you need to do what you say, not merely suggest it...
@@UKCheeseFarmer proving that on the internet would get me jail time wouldn’t it?
@@kaiharvey5992 even spraying paint over the lenses would do the job
Great video, and ULEZ can go do one. £12.50 everyday is £4562.50 per year. Definitely about the environment and not taxing motorists
get a classic.
Congrats for showing TH-cam e you can do maths.
That's over the top of people working. They are trying to ban the car and force everyone to ev. Which can't be implemented fully because the power systems can't keep up .
it's everyday that you drive and go past a camera, not every day.
@@s550days what?
Something scary to note about the ULEZ is you pay for the date you have driven into the zone. You don’t get 24 hours to drive in it once you’ve paid. If you drive in at 23:45 and you’re still driving at 00:15 you have to pay twice. Which absolutely screws night shift workers such as myself who would get hit twice just for going to work once. I can’t go on the bus or the train at that time of night as there aren’t any.
this happened to me left ulez at like 23:50 went back in at 12 am as was at a car meet and got 2 fines however only gave the the option to pay for one trip so got 2 fines :)
Crazy
i keep hearing this from night shift workers but if you pay in the morning to go home you are covered to go back to work in the evening so you only pay once a day (midnight to midnight)
of course we shouldn't be paying at all
The Ace also does great food and drink
@@pa1668 everyone should refuse to pay any emissions related fines.
People are going round taking all the cameras down 😂 I do think we should be doing more things like it these days, take back a bit of control
People need to stand up for once and say enough is enough, they cant keep charging us like this. Only caring for the rich few who can afford the charges,
Well no body seems to be protesting , so you’re all screwed!!
@@carlsimpson9978plenty of protests being held in London, there’s been three in the past month. Join some of the anti ULEZ Facebook groups. Just don’t expect to see it broadcast on the news since the media tends to side with the government.
But the rich are also the only ones that will be able to afford to put up with the problems of a much hotter planet. You're screwed either way.
There are protests going on just the media seem to not show it. There was a court case about this ulez though I heard we have to wait till the end of the month for a conclusion from the judge. There's Facebook groups against ulez and the camera locations including spots where cameras were taken down. You'll see on there too what protests were going on against ulez
Same as convid. Everybody wearing masks and being compliant
He really is the most ineffective mayor London has ever had.
Whoever thought driving the cars out of every single company in London is a good idea. To get a tiny amount of pollution off the whole.
So much for schools, businesses, homes, hospitals, doctors and the poor in London and surrounding areas.
Niko would of been better
It´s just causing more pollution to be produced for making the cars, even worse if those have batteries + the electricity which is mostly coming from fossil fuels.
But hey, pretending is everything
Bring back Boris !!
@@PatrickSwayzeOnDbolno way
Khan is the best unlike tories who are ruining the uk including the nhs
The ace cafe was famous for a lot of famous groups like the rolling stones etc, who use to do gigs up and down the country before they were famous,
so many musicians would spend most of there time on the road this was during the 50's & 60's so when great groups came down from up north to do gigs in London, the ace cafe was the place to go for them.
Paul McCartney is a car enthusiast - wouldn't it be fantastic if he did a concert there to raise awareness ; maybe he'd bring Ringo and a few others ?
Yeh, be brilliant if he brought John.
Independent research has shown that the ULEZ expansion would bring about little benefit to air quality. It's just a cash grab. Since the Mayor wants us all to use public transport, people should question why he's trying to improve air quality above ground level when the air pollution on the London Underground is so poor. Ace Cafe is a great venue and I hope it survives the ULEZ madness.
@jimp1646. It would be a great help regarding air pollution if he would stop breathing. From a old ex Londoner.
What independent research? Your mate Dave down the pub?
@@terrancedactielle5460 The Mayor had to get an independent company to research and report on the impact to air quality as part of the ULEZ consultation. The report did not support the Mayor's narrative so he chose to ignore the report in the same way he ignored the results of the ULEZ consultation for which the majority of the vote was against the expansion.
@@terrancedactielle5460 bootlicker
Give it time it will be illegal to have fun in the UK
EU same 🤡
Think you can have a laugh do you? That'll be £10 please.
Random stuff, I thought we were there already. If you obey the rules , you're part of the problem.
police state .you lose ur car for any infringment .with a toe rag cop laughing as they nick ur car.
I grew up just down the north circ from Ace cafe and it's gutting to see how much effort has been put into place by Brent council and the mayor of london to stop the car events. Max power nights were something else
WEIRD FACT: Older "classic" cars are ULEZ-exempt.
@@raypurchase801 How old? Some of those cars were pretty old, 1990's.
Then vote these people out of office , or get the dirt on them and shame them out of office
@@wayland7150 I'm unsure. I think it's a 40 year thing. Older cars are exempt from ULEZ and don't require an MOT, although it's still required that the cars must be roadworthy. They're also tax-exempt. They still need to be "taxed", but no fee is payable. I could drive my '69 Alfa through London and pay nothing.
@@raypurchase801 So not my 1996 Jaguar XJ6?
I see mark let you on the roof 😂
It’s just another example of them crushing small businesses
The staff and owners of the ace don’t deserve this attack on the business
They good people who have built a good community of petrol heads for years
Used to go there from 05-07. There was a Bmw meet on the first Monday of every month, driving from Bristol. It was a great atmosphere and plenty of hooning going on. Police pretty much turned a blind eye to it and this was even after some bad accidents there. Just shows how things have changed but I guess the advent of TH-cam car blogs gave it a lot more exposure.
Used to ride up to to the Ace from the south coast on a weekly basis in the late 90's early 00's , will be a real shame to see it effectively wither an die as people just wont be prepared to pay the charges , if only we could pick up the whole Cafe and move it
That's how they make beamish museum, they disassemble old buildings and reassemble them like a giant at jigsaw.
I imagine it's a tad expensive though 🤦♂️
@@bleachyberserko4191 That is what I was going to say, if at all Financially Possible, they need to Disassemble the Ace and then Re-Assemble it in Douglas on the Isle of Man. Right in the heart of Bikeland!
Ace cafe is now closed from 6pm Fridays due to the restrictions
Nope. Due to dick heads
No way. Seriously??
Sadly I think the Ace Cafe days are numbered if Sadiq has his way as is kept on. Ulez is a huge cash grab con, especially considering the ever increasing amount of "ulez untaxed" planes using London airports and Gatwick now using the emergency runaway as a regular runway. No one seems to consider the increased damage to roads caused by the huge weight of ev vehicles. We are all being mugged.
Don't forget , once those flats become occupied there's no chance they'll put up with any noise or shenanigans . Also, if ULEZ is expanded ( God forbid )and you happen to live within the zone you're going to be charged for driving your car anyway so it won't make any difference where you drive to .
Early 00’s Max Power era Ace was epic
You make my day whenever you upload my dude
true story
early 2000s ford meets were next level crazy.loved them
They certainly was Marc, I started going up there in my bmw e38 728i some 20 years ago .as you said the ford nights were the best nights ,this ulez bollocks is going to kill londoners and its businesses. Khan is all about destroying London, the bloke is out of control and needs removing from office.
Cosworths and rs turbos everywhere
Can you explain more as I want to know what they were like please ?
Yeah ford night was insane. It was even the best night for jap stuff. Everyone seems to go
@@andybrooks7908there were about 4 sapphire cosworths who used to hoon it on the roundabout every single week haha
There 's no good protesting about this form the out side... The only way you can fight ULEZ is to stand for council and fight it from the inside. The more sensible people that do that the bigger the difference will be.
You don't stand a chance, it's all being driven from the EU grants for making these changes. You would have to be an MEP which we have none. In other words, the UK has paid a tonne of money into the EU and to get some back we have to conform or we lose it all
@adamiddins7528 Codswallop. We left the EU. The Tory govt didn't want to fund the London public transport system. Just like they dont want to fund anythinf public. Grant Shapps forced Khan to expand ULEZ as part of TfL funding. Read the TfL funding agreement.
Everyone should "accidentally" drive into an ulez camera
You first and we'll see if it's worth following you
Check your cobra out on the ulez checker. Oddly the daily 3.0td 5 series isn't ulez compliant however my 8.2lt cobra is 😂, I know which one I'll be driving in London next time.
Historic cars are exempt from ULEZ
@@roryrobinson7136 its most likely a kit car, and possibly built within recent years. (Do correct me if im wrong though).
But yeah ULEZ doesnt always make sense. My Impreza is ULEZ exempt, and defo isn't very environmentally friendly.
I've been going to the Ace Cafe since the early 90's from my AX GT, Saxo VTR, Abarth Punto Evo, 2 x Mercedes to my current car, its a great Cafe with a good atmosphere but It's a shame the ULEZ charges will keep the older car owners away as the owners won't want to pay the charge. The Mayor of London is not bothered about what will happen to businesses he just wants the income. The Chelsea Cruise (if it still happens) will get hit by lack of cars as well. Even the Mini London 2 Brighton run won't happen from next year. Let's hope the Ace Cafe stays open in 1 form or another for future car fans to enjoy.
Cars over 40 years old are exempt from ULEZ so that won’t be an issue for older cars.
Send the meets to farmland a few miles from any town/city and the police can't do anything since no-one is complaining and the local farmer gets a few quid in their pocket from cars dropping £1 in the "Honour" box for re-seeding etc...
One of my plans if i ever win the lottery is to buy land, install a gate and allow meets to happen with a donation of £1 per car to reseed the grass, install tyre barriers or lighting etc...
They would still find a way to screw you, it's what our government does best, screw over law abiding citizens
Clarkson gets a lot of trouble from the council because he has ordinary cars coming to his farm.
The simplest argument against ULEZ is to look at it for what it is, a punishment for being poor. If someone still drives a T reg focus or 54 reg astra diesel, chances are they have that sub £1000 value of car because that's all they can afford. But someone who owns a 7 year old Range Rover who bought it new, they'll have plenty of money to go and buy another car. If you can afford a modern, less polluting car, good news! You are allowed to drive in London. What, you can't afford to buy a new low emission car? This old Y reg mondeo is all you can afford? Well, you better cough up sunshine and pay for the privilege of being poor, or throw the car away and do without. It's truly scandalous, and the sort of people who think up these ideas have no idea how the real world works.
I like a fast car as much as anyone, and used to be a regular at the Ace on my various bikes, but the driving like you see in your video is playing directly into the hands of those who want to shut it down. Would have been good if you could have interviewed Mark to get his thoughts on the future of his baby. If the ULEZ extension comes in, I won't be going there any more, sadly.
Its going the same way as Chelsea bridge,when the flats are occupied they will not tolerate the noise from the cars/bikes.Did love the ace
Great video, Adam. I love the Ace Cafe, and had forgotten the ULEZ will hit this wonderful, historic place. Do need, to pick up on a few things;
1. The aforementioned 2003 Ford Focus probably WILL comply. If it's petrol. It's down to the NOx emissions. If it's below 0.08 g/km it should be accepted. (I have a 2001 Saab 93 that complies).
2. The ULEZ affects bikes, too. Many of the bikes (that are older than 2007 but not 40 years old or more) will be hit. And the charge is the same as it is for cars; £12.50
3. The camera's monitoring ULEZ aren't ANPR's (as far as I know). They purely there to pick up on your vehicle, so as to charge you.
I'm not sure if you know this but ANPR stands for 'automatic number plate recognition'. The ULEZ cameras utilise ANPR to read your number plate and upload it to a database so they know who to charge.
It's the same as ANPR cameras on toll roads or the M1, etc detecting whether the car is on the road and is taxed, MOT'd, insured, etc!
@@rorypollitt322 yeah same tech different application
It's not just ULEZ, it's bad behaviour leaving venues, showing off for the cameras, that's causing problems which is why Ace Cafe has had to close Friday evenings...
It's ridiculous, my cobras donor car 75jag would be compliant, it's rv8 engine would be compliant in the original sd1.. but as it's a kit built in 2002 it's not complaint.. just madness.
I think the injustice sits with those who can't afford to get rid of their 2003 Ford Focus. Those with Teslas and the sort clearly can already afford the 'luxury of having an EV.
Wellcome to the “ No fun allowed “ era !
2013 was not the peak of car meets at ace cafe that was the 90s and not the max power shows it was the fast ford shows they used to shut down everything that was also about 10 road layouts ago😂
Thanks again for a great clip. Nice to see you got me in it though I'm afraid if ulez comes to Ace then my Black R33 will not be able to attend after August 😢
Haven't been to that place in years, it got very intense with desperate begs doing drive bys as if their fathers build the cars. Literally killed it for the most of us.
Got many things to say about this ulez expansion but this ain’t the place, short version, no extension of the zone.
What will also kill off ace cafe is the new builds go up around the cafe. Just over the back is a whole new housing area. As soon as they are all built finished and people living in them they will start to complain and inevitably it will create more problems and possibly result in the cafe being closed.
It would be very sad as the place has so much history
The California Look VW nights early 2000s were insane, burnouts and crowds.
A special time
The problem isn't the ULEZ, the vast majority of vehicles that attend meets at The Ace are either young enough to be ULEZ compliant or old enough (over 40 years) to be exempt, so much as people's ignorance of the ULEZ.
Only last week I was standing next to a middle aged sportsbiker only too happy to tell everyone this would be his last visit because of Kahn's ULEZ, while standing next to his 2021 Kawasaki!!
Great video Adam, very informative thanks 👍
I remember when JAPNIGHT GOT CLOSED down .THis single Decker Bus was driving past Ace Cafe and these guys started shaking the Bus while people were in it and almost turned it over .Then the Law came down and closed off the road and trapped everyone and that was the end of Japnight. I really feel sorry for the people in the bus some were old woman just trying to get home after a hard days work and they were terrified
Damn I remember the bus incident I think. Is that really why it got stopped? Not the mental roundabout?
horrified looks of the passengers I feel sorry for them truly is Kathy had no choice, but to close the event after the police got involved rightly so.every car that was parked by ace cafe was trapped and not sure what happened to Those people and if they got in trouble
Maybe an option would if they do extend the area, certain days/times/evening where can drive in/out? so events like this can carry on.
Damn, the 300zx is still one of the most unique looking cars on the road, I wish they were more affordable
“Diversity is our strength” remember, while us brits get shafted 🤡
Colonisation karma 🤡🤡 🤡. Maybe next time don't try to steal other peoples countries?
Interesting video. They will always be watching us and yet car culture will never change. We always find a way 🕺
kick the mayor out, is the best soloution.
As a Motorcycle rider, it was one of the "go-to" destinations, a 240-mile round trip for a coffee, a burger and to nearly be taken out by some twonk doing doughnuts and thinking he was Barry Kenevil or Evil Sheen, now as a car driver I would have to pay £8 to get out of Birmingham, £12.50 to get into London, then probably another £8 to get back into Birmingham, I think I can give it a miss to be honest.
The Ace is a historic building, attending is or it should be seen as paying homage to the iconic architecture. Decades of fashion plus bikes cars vans have met at the Ace.
Loved going to AceCafe...just before going to the cinema up in ParkRoyal it was the thing if your a carNUT you had to do.
Brilliant. Keep it up guys
Heres a list of people who dont like adam:
. Thats it
Long list man😂😂
what a great leader he is, he wants to drive open, public gatherings into the underground which is not at all a massive recipe for disaster.
Man, I wish car meets in the Netherlands where as big as them in the UK.
Was er ook, tijdens helloween meeting in hoofddorp mes en vork, was echt groot
Used to ride there from the Polish War Memorial at Northolt Airport to the Ace Cafe, change ride to race. in the late 50's. The North Circular just went straight passed and under the railway bridge, no mini roundabouts or any other silly modern things.
It’s going through the courts right now as to the legality of the ULEZ. If it is removed then all the cameras will likely just be used for pay per mile where every vehicle gets charged. Which would be an excellent system if they removed the road fund licence and the heavy taxation on fuel.
Otherwise we’re being taxed three times for the same thing.
United we stand, divided we are nothing.......protest, tenacity and direct action is what is needed!
Unfortunately the ulez is coming in August there's a lot of car events that will stop because of it, the famous London to Brighton mini meet is one of the big ones
I'm an old biker and live just inside the next ULEZ expansion. With the 20mph now everywhere and cameras spreading like weeds, I've got rid of my 2 fastest bikes. You can't use them. Also, if you own an old, small capacity motorcycle that still does mega mileage, you pay £12.50, the same as my old 3L deisel.
Adam: "oh no I can't find the hole " 😂😂😂
Still annoyed I missed out on this! ..sadly tis' what happens when you're in between jobs 🙃
I'm surprised they haven't put up one of those 'noise cameras' on the road outside
Ace café has made some great content👌🔥
11:43
sounds like Alan Wicker!
one thing to note. if your car is 40 years old. its ulez exempt. i have a 06 m3 which is fine but my 91 golf will be 7 years short of 40. so ill have to pay it. love ace cafe. chilli chips and cheese then pull some big wheelies for the crowds. what a time it was back in early 2000's, was sketchy at times tho lol
Try for a certificate of comformity if it meets the nox/hc submit to dvla or tfl but depends whos in the office at tfl. There is also the court cases this month to go through if they win i don't know. If they don't win then pay per mile is the next thing as thats these cameras are really for.
It will probably be called ace mosque if he has anything to do with it . They always have to spoil our fun.
ignorant clown comment ngl
mildly [very] racist but ok
Fight ULEZ, LTNs and 15 minute cities etc... The cameras are the key.
I used to live round the corner, was a regular for most of the 00s . Max power, old school fords and classics night we're all pretty special as well as the bike meets. Can understand why they changed they road layout, was very sketchy most nights with people driving
iding like dickheads.
I'm sure it'll survive, the Ace has stuck around through worse, and a lot of bikes can be certified compliant even if not euro3
Yes you’re right In everything you’ve said. Maybe a new venue just outside the M25 would be possible?
Forget it pal. Unless you vote Labour out, its ulez all over the country. You won't be able to afford to work. The idea is sell your car , lose your job, wife and kids leave, you lose the house. So think long and hard. Best bet vote Reform, they hate ulez. And no one likes the tories either.
Wow that Tommy R34 definitely star the show ulez if it goes ahead we’ll probably end the Ace café I hope not it’s such a great place and Adam has brought us some amazing content from outside £.12.50 a day doesn’t seem a lot but it works out at 62.50 A week 250 a month and 3K a year Just to drive your vehicle into the city WTF now that is a lot
Go research what happens if you live in ulez zone. Can only leave so many times a YEAR with your own car.
Great work as ever. Pls pls pls Adam do some more content for the car community on the subject of ULEZ extension. It is truly sad what might happen with car meets and the sort. There are plenty of anti-unlez facebook that enthusiast should consider joining.
We had one of those in Orlando Florida but it shut down due to bad service sick meets they had
The owner of the Ace Cafe knows it's days ate numbered.
I was at a bike show last weekend (1/7/23) and they said it would be their last show because of ULEZ.
Who wants to pay £12.50 before they even get to a venue
12:44 Sorry Adam, NOT ULEZ compliant! Just like my car. When I bought my house it was in Surrey. Then my borough got dragged into London 🥲
yeh i know it's not, unsure why I said it was
Yes, always get a tvr in there 😎
A good vid, Sadist Khan doesn’t seem to understand the amount of misery and hardship he is causing to the majority of Londoners. He is not going to solve very much with the ULEZ charge because it is going to affect loads of businesses and drive them out of pocket, maybe just to plug a gap in his financial dire straits with TfL overspend.
He’s gonna find out very soon that his career may as well be better off in North Korea.
This reminds me of our old Speedway venues and drag racing events. Oh the noise is unbearable and must be shut - locals complained! Shame I can't print what I'd like to say...
Been going ace cafe since 1984 since I got my license bike and cars this ulez has cost me 2 vehicles 😢 big protest tomorrow 5th trafalgar square 11am till 4pm we need to fight this bull 💩 to keep events and places like the ace cafe alive...
Awesome video thank you :)
Should be made a landmark like old buildings and the roads, and when there’s a meet/event traveler’s can use other roads.
When the fine comes through say you dispute the charge and want a county court jury trail. The judge will have to dismiss as this is not lawful plus the fact that enough do it the system will choke up. Would it be that this could apply to the incumbent foreigner!!😢
I remember the café all bordered up and the road just outside was 2 lanes of the 4 lane A406. It was always heavy with traffic even back then. The bridge arch's where a tight spot.
Then the new road was built widened and moved right over. The Ace stood alone and there was space. The city has grown and now look at it. New flats as someone else has pointed out here are the nail in the coffin. When it fist reopened is attracted a lot of old vintage bikes. Well they can't go............. it will just be a cafe /coffee shop for the locals............Tesco express.
Shame, I hope the building has a preservation order on it. It should have because of the history.
it looks to be Art Deco
It'll be a mosque in a few years
Everyone should cover their plates. Everyone.
I remember this place where everyone was messing about and doing donut and drift.
Anyone know the track at beginning people ? Thankyou in advance
I can't see ULEZ not happening, but not for the reasons you may think. At this time electric vehicles are not generating revenue for the government and this needs to be addressed, at this time electric vehicles are not subjected to Vehicle Excise Duty (VED - Vehicle Tax) or high taxation on fuel and they won't be able to do that without also increasing the costs of heating a home. The solution will be a road charging network (pay by the mile motoring) which is currently being investigated by an all party parliamentary committee (search Google for road pricing parliament) - In order for this to be possible a camera network is needed and this is where ULEZ comes in. Eventually they will switch to road pricing (pay per mile) and the weight of the vehicle, type of road you drive on and the time of day will be considered.
Ulez is the beginning, not the end
The pay per mile consultation on the mayor assembly was bollocks but filled it out. As you've said the ulez cameras are really for pay per mile but i can't see it working because it would have to be nation wide you can't just have London as pay per mile and nothing outside the m25 ring. Pay per mile would have to be debated in parliment
04:20 Was that Merc body-kit inspired by Bruce Forsyth.. good game, good game
love the content
keep it up 😄
We're already halfway there
They tried to ULEZ Manchester and over half the councils said "Absolutely not" and they are "rethinking it". When they announced that, ANOTHER council said no. So it got worse for the ULEZ crew.
Anyone know the song playing at the start of the video?
GREAT VLOG ...........Bless
Most cars beyond 2006 should mostly be ulez compliment. So things like Nissan GTRs, EVO X, Toyota Supra mk5, Honda civic Type r should all be fine as an example.
Unfortunately anything pre-dating 2006 will need to pay the charge.
surprisingly my 03 Impreza is ULEZ exempt
It won't stop me driving my Mustang or Jeep in ULEZ, just get a post 2005 or a pre 1983🥳
the leather boys (1964)
Great to see all those responsible drivers conforming to Brent Council's orders so that Ace Cafe doesn't get a bad reputation and have to close.
😊he isnt worried about losing ulez battle, waiting to put pay per
Mile into action.
As a fan of another mode of transport, the Ace is near one of the wonders of the North Circ - the aqueduct that carries the canal OVER one of the busiest roads in the UK. And no, no narrowboat burning rotting pallets and coal to keep warm is ULEZ compliant
Ha! You said Zed X, I immediately started looking for a Kawasaki.
There was an interesting thing where if you give your car to the Mayor of London, then he would be liable for any fines received by driving his car through the ULEZ. Not sure the legal implications but might be worth trying if you have a £500 banger.
While I'm not a Jap car enthusiast , but my son is ( I'm a Mercedes enthusiast and have a W124 daily driver , R129 , W114 , W111 and W105 ) , I do support you in this . I'm in Scotland , so while this does not affect me directly , I think it is terrible that an established institution like this might be disadvantaged . Of course historic vehicles , 40 years or older are exempt , so please get as many older cars as possible , especially 60s or 70s muscle cars with large V-8s , to attend as they are exactly the cars to incur the Wrath of Khan , but are exempt . Also perhaps encourage a steam traction engine rally , right into the centre of London - again Steam traction engines , which burn coal , belch out black smoke and need to stop at fire hydrants , have not been banned from ULEZ as they tend to be 100 years or more old . A rally past Westminster , with steam whistles sounding , would get attention . And how would the council try to tow any such vehicles which happened to park , given they weigh 30 tons upwards ?
You have my support , besides which don't these idiots know that motorsport and many classic events now use sustainable fuel ? F1 and this year's Mille Miglia certainly do .
Could you perhaps reach out to Jeremy Clarkson , who I'm sure would also support this , and get him to produce something that would show khan up for the idiot he is ?
Also , don't forget our new King Charles is a car enthusiast with a collection of Aston Martins - if he was invited , and attended a classic meet there , I doubt there would be any danger of the place being closed - no local politician would invite his displeasure .