Walaikum As Salam wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatahu. Having Dr. Ataie on is always a win. May Allah bless us all. صَلَّى ٱللّٰهُ عَلَ ﺳَﻴِّﺪِﻧَﺎ مُحَمَّدٌ رَسُولُ ٱللَّٰهْ . صَلَّى ٱللّٰهُ عَلَيْهِ وَ عَلَى آلِهِ وَأَزْوَاجِهِ وَذُرِّيَّتِهِ وَاَهْلِ بَيْتِهِ وَصَحْبِهِ وَسَلِّمْ تَسْلِيْماً كَثِيْراً Ameen.
Excellent presentation as usual from Dr Ataie. Interestingly the expression דבר pronounced "davar" in Hebrew meaning word or command with respect to Allah (God), has the same spelling as the Arabic word دبر pronounced "dabbara". In the Quran you find usage of this word in the following Ayah in the present tense in the form of "يدبر": ﴿يُدَبِّرُ الْأَمْرَ مِنَ السَّمَاءِ إِلَى الْأَرْضِ ثُمَّ يَعْرُجُ إِلَيْهِ فِي يَوْمٍ كَانَ مِقْدَارُهُ أَلْفَ سَنَةٍ مِّمَّا تَعُدُّونَ﴾[ السجدة: 5] He arranges [each] matter from the heaven to the earth; then it will ascend to Him in a Day, the extent of which is a thousand years of those which you count [Al-Sajdah 5] (37:40) Allah clearly states in the Quran و ما صلبوه, which means ""they crucified him not ". That should be sufficient in itself. There is however, further evidence in the Qur'an that Jesus was not placed on the cross. Allah says: ﴿إِذْ قَالَ اللَّهُ يَا عِيسَى ابْنَ مَرْيَمَ اذْكُرْ نِعْمَتِي عَلَيْكَ وَعَلَىٰ وَالِدَتِكَ إِذْ أَيَّدتُّكَ بِرُوحِ الْقُدُسِ تُكَلِّمُ النَّاسَ فِي الْمَهْدِ وَكَهْلًا ۖ وَإِذْ عَلَّمْتُكَ الْكِتَابَ وَالْحِكْمَةَ وَالتَّوْرَاةَ وَالْإِنجِيلَ ۖ وَإِذْ تَخْلُقُ مِنَ الطِّينِ كَهَيْئَةِ الطَّيْرِ بِإِذْنِي فَتَنفُخُ فِيهَا فَتَكُونُ طَيْرًا بِإِذْنِي ۖ وَتُبْرِئُ الْأَكْمَهَ وَالْأَبْرَصَ بِإِذْنِي ۖ وَإِذْ تُخْرِجُ الْمَوْتَىٰ بِإِذْنِي ۖ وَإِذْ كَفَفْتُ بَنِي إِسْرَائِيلَ عَنكَ إِذْ جِئْتَهُم بِالْبَيِّنَاتِ فَقَالَ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا مِنْهُمْ إِنْ هَٰذَا إِلَّا سِحْرٌ مُّبِينٌ﴾ [ المائدة: 110] 5:110 [The Day] when Allah will say, "O Jesus, Son of Mary, remember My favor upon you and upon your mother when I supported you with the Pure Spirit and you spoke to the people in the cradle and in maturity; and [remember] when I taught you writing and wisdom and the Torah and the Gospel; and when you designed from clay [what was] like the form of a bird with My permission, then you breathed into it, and it became a bird with My permission; and you healed the blind and the leper with My permission; and when you brought forth the dead with My permission; and when I restrained the Children of Israel from [killing] you when you came to them with clear proofs and those who disbelieved among them said, "This is not but obvious magic." The Arabic expression كففت literally means "hands off", in other words they didn't lay a single hand on him. In regards to Biblical prophecies, there is also another interesting prophecy in Psalm 91.
If you interested in the intersection between the Hebrew and the Arabic then consider this, "One God in three PERSONS", how do you say this in Hebrew? Elohim echad shelosha anashim. This is a HUGE problem in Hebrew because all Hebrew words for PERSON are derived from Adam. He is called ADAM because he is ISH, from, the ADAMAH, earth, and therefore he is ENUSH, mortal and will return to the ADAMAH, earth, and likewise his BENAI ADAM, children who are the ANASHIM, people that are mortal human beings ENUSH. Adam, Ish, Ben Adam, Enush and Anashim are the Hebrew words for PERSONS. None of these can apply to the Father and Spirit even if they are applied to Jesus. The theology must be founded upon the Hebrew because no one who speaks ONLY HEBREW could ever know about a trinity of PERSONS. I have presented this to Hebrew scholars and they have NO Hebrew equivalent for PERSON that can allow "one God in three PERSONS" to be true.
@JeremyJohanson אחד in Hebrew is the same as أحد in Arabic. It refers to singularity. When an identifier is attached האחד in Hebrew or الأحد in Arabic, it becomes one of the Names of God = "The One"
If you interested in the intersection between the Hebrew and the Arabic then consider this, "One God in three PERSONS", how do you say this in Hebrew? Elohim echad shelosha anashim. This is a HUGE problem in Hebrew because all Hebrew words for PERSON are derived from Adam. He is called ADAM because he is ISH, from, the ADAMAH, earth, and therefore he is ENUSH, mortal and will return to the ADAMAH, earth, and likewise his BENAI ADAM, children who are the ANASHIM, people that are mortal human beings ENUSH. Adam, Ish, Ben Adam, Enush and Anashim are the Hebrew words for PERSONS. None of these can apply to the Father and Spirit even if they are applied to Jesus. The theology must be founded upon the Hebrew because no one who speaks ONLY HEBREW could ever know about a trinity of PERSONS. I have presented this to Hebrew scholars and they have NO Hebrew equivalent for PERSON that can allow "one God in three PERSONS" to be true.
ok they could have aritculated it a different way then, if you think reveleation is entierly contigent on langauge then you seem to limit God in a strange way.
Truly I say to anyone who has not read the bible and the church fathers, this was very deceitful, especially from a PHD who has dedicated his life to the study of Christian theology. This is why he no longer debates, just creates echo chambers. If you want true apologetics as a seeker of Truth, go watch Jay Dyer and then make your decision on whether Christianity is nonsense or not.
@@aliataie101 Respectfully, I would encourage you to engage with an actual Orthodox Apologist (such as Jay Dyer). Of course the Trinity is ridiculous when you lean on Protestant and Catholic explanations. While Dr. Joshua Sijuwade does argue for the Monarchia of the Father, his lack of background in Orthodoxy makes him a weak proponent of the theology. What the Trinity is trying to solve (and has solved from a Orthodox Christian perspective) is the "One and The Many" problem, which Tawhid ignores.
@@aliataie101 In good conscience, I must profess that I consider you a formidable Muslim apologist (if not the best of our time). However, the video above does not exemplify that or prepare Muslims for Orthodox Christians that know their religion. I just finished watching the debate you mentioned (that was released at the same time as my initial comment), and still hold to the view that Dr. Sijuwade is not the right opponent nor the one that is converting dozens, if not hundreds of Muslims to Orthodox Christianity. Jay Dyer is. And as a defender of Allah's Truth and a guardian of Mohammad's Sunnah, I believe you carry the onus to show that his rhetoric is fraudulent. Please do not confuse me with an internet troll. If truth is on your side, I will, with no Iblis-like arrogance, submit my face to the ground to the one you claim is The One True God. But not before you step into the Lion's Den. Truly, -M
I love Dr Ali Ataie, he has helped me so much!
Dr. Ali Ataie is the best Biblical and comparative religious scholar of the 21st century...definitely....I've been following his work since 2009
I couldnt agree more with you, the man is just amazing!
Thank you for filming this, it's always a pleasure to listen to Dr. Ataie.
its weird seeing u here, يليت تدخل بعلوم الدين كتابتك ممتازه لو على الاقل بالعربي
Ali Atie is one of the best scholars in this Generations
Truly Dr Ali Atie is talented.May Allah reward him abundantly for his Jihad
Walaikum As Salam wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatahu. Having Dr. Ataie on is always a win. May Allah bless us all. صَلَّى ٱللّٰهُ عَلَ ﺳَﻴِّﺪِﻧَﺎ مُحَمَّدٌ رَسُولُ ٱللَّٰهْ . صَلَّى ٱللّٰهُ عَلَيْهِ وَ عَلَى آلِهِ وَأَزْوَاجِهِ وَذُرِّيَّتِهِ وَاَهْلِ بَيْتِهِ وَصَحْبِهِ وَسَلِّمْ تَسْلِيْماً كَثِيْراً Ameen.
Dr. Ali Ataie has been lifting weights 😂. Mashallah, may Allah bless and preserve him
One of the best scholar in USA مٓاشٓاآلٓله
Dr Ataie amazing as always! Masha Allah
Excellent presentation as usual from Dr Ataie. Interestingly the expression דבר pronounced "davar" in Hebrew meaning word or command with respect to Allah (God), has the same spelling as the Arabic word دبر pronounced "dabbara".
In the Quran you find usage of this word in the following Ayah in the present tense in the form of "يدبر":
﴿يُدَبِّرُ الْأَمْرَ مِنَ السَّمَاءِ إِلَى الْأَرْضِ ثُمَّ يَعْرُجُ إِلَيْهِ فِي يَوْمٍ كَانَ مِقْدَارُهُ أَلْفَ سَنَةٍ مِّمَّا تَعُدُّونَ﴾[ السجدة: 5]
He arranges [each] matter from the heaven to the earth; then it will ascend to Him in a Day, the extent of which is a thousand years of those which you count [Al-Sajdah 5]
(37:40) Allah clearly states in the Quran و ما صلبوه, which means ""they crucified him not ". That should be sufficient in itself. There is however, further evidence in the Qur'an that Jesus was not placed on the cross. Allah says:
﴿إِذْ قَالَ اللَّهُ يَا عِيسَى ابْنَ مَرْيَمَ اذْكُرْ نِعْمَتِي عَلَيْكَ وَعَلَىٰ وَالِدَتِكَ إِذْ أَيَّدتُّكَ بِرُوحِ الْقُدُسِ تُكَلِّمُ النَّاسَ فِي الْمَهْدِ وَكَهْلًا ۖ وَإِذْ عَلَّمْتُكَ الْكِتَابَ وَالْحِكْمَةَ وَالتَّوْرَاةَ وَالْإِنجِيلَ ۖ وَإِذْ تَخْلُقُ مِنَ الطِّينِ كَهَيْئَةِ الطَّيْرِ بِإِذْنِي فَتَنفُخُ فِيهَا فَتَكُونُ طَيْرًا بِإِذْنِي ۖ وَتُبْرِئُ الْأَكْمَهَ وَالْأَبْرَصَ بِإِذْنِي ۖ وَإِذْ تُخْرِجُ الْمَوْتَىٰ بِإِذْنِي ۖ وَإِذْ كَفَفْتُ بَنِي إِسْرَائِيلَ عَنكَ إِذْ جِئْتَهُم بِالْبَيِّنَاتِ فَقَالَ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا مِنْهُمْ إِنْ هَٰذَا إِلَّا سِحْرٌ مُّبِينٌ﴾
[ المائدة: 110]
5:110 [The Day] when Allah will say, "O Jesus, Son of Mary, remember My favor upon you and upon your mother when I supported you with the Pure Spirit and you spoke to the people in the cradle and in maturity; and [remember] when I taught you writing and wisdom and the Torah and the Gospel; and when you designed from clay [what was] like the form of a bird with My permission, then you breathed into it, and it became a bird with My permission; and you healed the blind and the leper with My permission; and when you brought forth the dead with My permission; and when I restrained the Children of Israel from [killing] you when you came to them with clear proofs and those who disbelieved among them said, "This is not but obvious magic."
The Arabic expression كففت literally means "hands off", in other words they didn't lay a single hand on him.
In regards to Biblical prophecies, there is also another interesting prophecy in Psalm 91.
If you interested in the intersection between the Hebrew and the Arabic then consider this,
"One God in three PERSONS", how do you say this in Hebrew?
Elohim echad shelosha anashim.
This is a HUGE problem in Hebrew because all Hebrew words for PERSON are derived from Adam.
He is called ADAM because he is ISH, from, the ADAMAH, earth, and therefore he is ENUSH, mortal and will return to the ADAMAH, earth, and likewise his BENAI ADAM, children who are the ANASHIM, people that are mortal human beings ENUSH.
Adam, Ish, Ben Adam, Enush and Anashim are the Hebrew words for PERSONS. None of these can apply to the Father and Spirit even if they are applied to Jesus.
The theology must be founded upon the Hebrew because no one who speaks ONLY HEBREW could ever know about a trinity of PERSONS.
I have presented this to Hebrew scholars and they have NO Hebrew equivalent for PERSON that can allow "one God in three PERSONS" to be true.
@JeremyJohanson אחד in Hebrew is the same as أحد in Arabic. It refers to singularity. When an identifier is attached האחד in Hebrew or الأحد in Arabic, it becomes one of the Names of God = "The One"
Dr.Ali Ataie is a wise man
salam Ali. Was Paul henotheistic?
Paul likely believed Jesus was divine in the sense of some sort of angel, not God. Its pretty obvious by simply reading Pauls authentic letters.
If you interested in the intersection between the Hebrew and the Arabic then consider this,
"One God in three PERSONS", how do you say this in Hebrew?
Elohim echad shelosha anashim.
This is a HUGE problem in Hebrew because all Hebrew words for PERSON are derived from Adam.
He is called ADAM because he is ISH, from, the ADAMAH, earth, and therefore he is ENUSH, mortal and will return to the ADAMAH, earth, and likewise his BENAI ADAM, children who are the ANASHIM, people that are mortal human beings ENUSH.
Adam, Ish, Ben Adam, Enush and Anashim are the Hebrew words for PERSONS. None of these can apply to the Father and Spirit even if they are applied to Jesus.
The theology must be founded upon the Hebrew because no one who speaks ONLY HEBREW could ever know about a trinity of PERSONS.
I have presented this to Hebrew scholars and they have NO Hebrew equivalent for PERSON that can allow "one God in three PERSONS" to be true.
ok they could have aritculated it a different way then, if you think reveleation is entierly contigent on langauge then you seem to limit God in a strange way.
Truly I say to anyone who has not read the bible and the church fathers, this was very deceitful, especially from a PHD who has dedicated his life to the study of Christian theology. This is why he no longer debates, just creates echo chambers. If you want true apologetics as a seeker of Truth, go watch Jay Dyer and then make your decision on whether Christianity is nonsense or not.
I just debated Dr. Joshua Sijuwade on Blogging Theology on the Trinity. Nice try homey. Christian theology is nonsense.
@@aliataie101 Respectfully, I would encourage you to engage with an actual Orthodox Apologist (such as Jay Dyer). Of course the Trinity is ridiculous when you lean on Protestant and Catholic explanations.
While Dr. Joshua Sijuwade does argue for the Monarchia of the Father, his lack of background in Orthodoxy makes him a weak proponent of the theology.
What the Trinity is trying to solve (and has solved from a Orthodox Christian perspective) is the "One and The Many" problem, which Tawhid ignores.
@@aliataie101 In good conscience, I must profess that I consider you a formidable Muslim apologist (if not the best of our time). However, the video above does not exemplify that or prepare Muslims for Orthodox Christians that know their religion. I just finished watching the debate you mentioned (that was released at the same time as my initial comment), and still hold to the view that Dr. Sijuwade is not the right opponent nor the one that is converting dozens, if not hundreds of Muslims to Orthodox Christianity. Jay Dyer is. And as a defender of Allah's Truth and a guardian of Mohammad's Sunnah, I believe you carry the onus to show that his rhetoric is fraudulent.
Please do not confuse me with an internet troll. If truth is on your side, I will, with no Iblis-like arrogance, submit my face to the ground to the one you claim is The One True God. But not before you step into the Lion's Den.
Truly,
-M
There is a debate between Jay Dyer and Jake Brancatella regarding trinity. It was interesting and I think you should watch that debate.
@@shadabkhan-sy3sp Thank you for the recommendation. I have seen it. However I think Dr. Ataie would be far better suited.