pretty accurate as usual! IMO autogestione /occupazione are disgraceful remnants of the 1968 student protest movement, which in Italy was strongly associated with Marxism (mini revolutions in schools as a prelude to the Big Glorious one). Didactic usefulness : 0
@@DavidsDoseofItaly The usefullness of autogestione is really down to the students and what they want to do. For example in my school we had a lot of people coming in to talk about different topics not usually covered by school or same students teached us particular skill. Some more political talking was done then normal. Occupazione is a more of a protest in the real sense and is usually connected to same specific topic, usually political. in Italian univerity there had been recently occupazioni for the refermation of the university system.
@@gloriarossetto5097 I saw autogestione twice in two different high schools. To me it didn’t seem like a good use of time. But I didn’t inspect every classroom.
Thank you for the accurate explanation! You covered everything perfectly. The only thing I have to point is that in Italy choosing a type of high school is not exactly like choosing a university mayor, and I’m particularly referring to “Liceo”. It’s true that you can choose your favorite subjects, but that subjects aren’t the only ones we study. Every Liceo has the same subjects and some of them are covered more (in terms of topics and total hours) than the others depending from “Indirizzo”. The only subjects that really change are “Materie di indirizzo” which are typically 2 or 3. That said, when you do the final exam (Esame di Maturità) only the written test is specific, while the essay and oral test are quite similar, since they cover your entire high school knowledge.
Hey! Thank you! This comment made my day! Yeah, I touched upon the idea of materie di indirizzo but I didn't know the precise name for it which you in fact have taught me today!
Hi stuff of the legends. It just occurred to me, you're the first genuine US youtuber that spent a significant amount of time in Italy and thus capable to deeply understand and compare these two countries...I mean, the first I happened to notice. I used to have a rather romantic view of US... Got a hell of a lot of questions to ask.
Wow ! That’s an incredible compliment ! Thank you ! Yes I try to see things from their viewpoint and from there I can decide if I agree or not. It’s human behavior as we all do things for a reason. Understanding reasoning different than our own is a challenge. Fire away with your questions!
This makes this video much more authentic! Thank you Elisa for your input in this video! Keep on rockin' no matter what else the rest of the world is listening to!
youtube suggested me this video and then at 0:34 i see my highscool/Liceo. That's really spooky , i kinda got an heartattack (it's a figure of speech). Autogestione at my highscool Cannizzaro , they removed at my third year so 2018/2019 because as you could see it was a waste of time and only me and my friends attended one lesson (and we were the odd ones in that situation). last year of Occupazione was 2015/2016 because no one had the courage (if you wanna call it like this) to do it since our school was literally attached to a Carabinieri/Police station. Lastly we don't have school teams but we have our cities'football team (not everyone cheer for the same team of their city but the majority do ) and ooohh boy if those are important
I absolutely loved this video. Keep chasing your dreams on being a famous TH-camr. I could not thank you more for the amazing adventures I have had with your video's along the way!
It's quite common to have several types of highschools within the same school building under the same school name. It's usually the case with licei, the "higher" level of highschools (this might be seen as controversial 😅). In order to be called liceo, by law a school must offer mandatory latin classes (and liceo classico must offer both latin and ancient greek classes). Back in the days until the 80's licei were the only type of highschool that would grant students access to university. In my experience, my school had 3 types of those, classico, scientifico and linguistico (the one I attended). About autogestione, in my school it would usually take place during the last week of school before Christmas holidays, and you would have the chance to sign up for different activities and workshops, like music history, comic book clubs and stuff like that (even more silly ones, like vintage ps2 gaming club😅). Sorry for the long ass comment, it's just that your videos are always very interesting and bring back quite some memories 😄
Ciao Luigi! Grazie per il complimento! I am unclear about what you meant by the higher level of high schools being controversial. leave long ass comments all you like, I love the feedback because it's nice to have someone recognize your work after all the hours you put into making the videos. Ps2 gaming club? if they had had GTA San Andreas I'd have been there in a heartbeat! Off topic: The last time I was at my parents house, I found that game and because I love it so much I decided to leave it in Connecticut. Why? if I brought it here, I'd never get any work done!
@@DavidsDoseofItaly ahahaha it's still italy, so we're talking mostly old soccer videogames 😅 what I meant with higher level is that licei are mostly considered more prestigious than other types of schools, and also harder to attend, compared to schools like commerciale, industriale and professionale (alberghiero is among these), where the level of education is perceived as lower quality and intensity wise, despite there shouldn't be much difference on paper. Basically, a lot of people say that a 6 in a classico is worth a 10 in a professionale, because it seems that teachers are a bit more loose in the latter.
@@luigimatteopalma7874 Eh, I might have skipped it then because I am not a fan of soccer. Keep watching for a video on that topic! I think things are changing now because knowing a certain skill, knowing how to make something with your hands is more profitable than in previous decades. At least in America. My grandma told me to become an electrician. I wish I had listened to her.
"and I remember that I chose marketing". I had no idea this would reveal my East Coast upbringing! Honestly, I don't hear it and I always considered a Connecticut accent to be almost non-existent in the sense that to me it just sounds like a standard American accent. Standard with the exception of Southern states and Midwest accents which have a distinct sound in my opinion. Oddly enough, when I am back home and conversing with family and friends I do feel a change in the way that I speak, so maybe there is some merit to all this! Thanks for mentioning this though, it was interesting!
@@DavidsDoseofItaly perché in matematica ero veramente una capra, non riuscivo a capirla,e anche se ero abbastanza bravo nelle altre materie, avrei dovuto fare il liceo classico,ma con il classico avrei dovuto fare l'università per forza,e la mia famiglia non se lo poteva permettere,eravamo 4 figli e lavorava solo mio padre, quindi sono andato a lavorare a 15 anni,ma adesso mi ritrovo disoccupato a 53 anni, non è bello.Ciao David!👋👋👍
Massimiliano ti consiglio di guardare questo video. th-cam.com/video/snHTOQphLho/w-d-xo.html Te lo condivido perché credo che tu possa approfittare dei concetti del video ma soprattutto l’idea di fare soldi online Io credo davvero che sia e continuerà ad essere un buon modo di guadagnare soldi senza il bisogno di presentarsi per forza in un posto fisico. Non sono quali siano le tue competenze ma fossi in te studierei questo concetto. Spero di esserti stato utile !
@@DavidsDoseofItaly I think that students are more empowered and held accountable for their actions and choices. They choose what classes to take, they don't spend the whole day in the same room, and tests (at least most of them) are scheduled. It's similar to the italian university system.
Another thing I don't like about the anglo-saxon education system: their obsession with multiple answer quizzes. Few open-ended quizzes and no oral tests = lack of communication skills
@@Kirk9393 Unfortunately in Italy there is a general lack of the idea of consequences for your actions. We also had pop quizes in the US, but yes they were planned
@@Kirk9393 I can't confirm or deny that mainly because of the fact that I am 41 and don't recall what kind of tests we had. I will say this though, multiple choice does depend a bit more on luck than an open ended question.
I have the impression that public high schools in the USA generally give students a lower cultural preparation than Italian/European public schools do. English, maths, science, history and geography (!!), foreign languages are more studied here than there. European exchange students coming back here after 1 year high school in the USA (generally our 4th year, that is the last year there) all report this comment. What is your opinion about that ?
Hi Laura. That’s hard to give a definite yes or no for a few reasons. The first one is I have lived in Italy for 13 years and so I’m not exactly up-to-date with what is taught in US schools. My wife however shares your opinion and instinctively I do think that culture is stressed a bit more in Italian schools than US, I think the US is more about practicality than theory. They both have merit but me personally, I prefer practicality. Hands-on experience. I follow an Italian guru who back in the 90s did a year abroad in the United States. When he came back to Italy, he had to recuperate “a lost year”. So I think there is some truth to this notion.
I’ve been constantly watching videos about Italian high school since I’m going to become an exchange student in a couple months. This video has been much help! Mille grazie ❤
Uan cosa che ho sempre notato di voi americani, e che vi adatte molto, sapete farlo bene, stare al mondo, vedere il meglio di ogni situazione ! Ecco siete molto flexible ! E non isolazionisti ma aperti al mondo. Una qualita' che si acquista quando si lascia casa a 20 anni, sei solo e devi svegliarti e imparare a stare al mondo interagire con gli altri ! E bello vivere cosi Poi credo che tanti americani sono crtici verso l america, finche non vanno all estero e capiscono che voi siete spesso fortunati !tanti privilegi li date prr scontati.... Non vi manca nulla al vostro paese, a parte la storia e i monuementi 🙂
La mia teoria su questo è che non abbiamo una cultura ben definita e storica quanto l’Europa e quindi non siamo condizionati a determinati modi di fare e vivere la nostra vita. Io credo che questo ci renda più flessibili quando abbiamo a che fare con nuove culture. Si. Ultimamente incontro tanti americani insoddisfatti del proprio paese e addirittura su questo canale tanti accennano che se ne vogliono andare per sempre. Negli ultimi 15 anni io credo sia cambiata tanta l’America e non per forza positivamente
good video. When I went to school in Italy, we did not have the yearbook. Also occupazione was sometimes like a fake strike I hated those. Una scusa per non fare nulla.
In my opinion choosing the type of High school (which has a lot of influence in the career) at a very young age can be difficult and confusing...i prefer the USA system
Overall I do prefer the US system too, but I wanted to present the positive side to Italian high school. I do think however that at age 13-14 you do know whether you are more mathematically, scientifically or linguistically minded. So, perhaps your choice of high school is not 100% in line with what you want to do after you graduate but it's at least close. In my case I studied marketing at college and ended up moving to Italy to teach Italy.
Hi Mary and good question. Their behavior was different in the sense that the Italian kids talked a lot more and even talked while I was trying to explain something. But never once did I feel personally insulted or in danger. In Italy, they just don’t have the risk of school shootings. I hopefully it stays that way.
Great video! As a teenager I went from a suburban middle school in NY to a high school in calabria. One morning during my freshman year on my way to school I hear drums beating and chanting "Occuperemo fino a natale e se non ci basta fino a pasqua!" The chaos was foreign to me so I asked a classmate for details. He explained what was about to happen and sure enough the students overtook the school I believe that it lasted for about a week or two. Eventually carabinieri found contraband if my memory serves me correctly and it was disbanded. From multiple choice to oral exams was an interesting transition. Not sure if Rome is the same but we didn't get report cards instead the final grades were posted on the front of the building with each student's I.D. number instead of our names.
Thank you ! Wow what a cultural transition : California to Calabria! I found that kinda chaos strange too the first time I encountered it. Yeah In Rome I remember seeing student ID cards and they’re used to justify absences and other things too.
Very interesting video David as I knew nothing about schools in Italy. I like the idea of choosing the type of high school but because I wasn't sure what I wanted to do exactly after high school, so I'm glad it was just your basic curriculum with some elective classes. I would absolutely hate oral exams as well. Back in my small town there was no high school so I took the big yellow school bus 18 miles each way to the nearest high school. My last two years I occasionally borrowed the family car to drive myself to school. Fascinating info, and by the way, I think you look well rested in this video. Looking forward to seeing what next week's will be about. Maybe an update on lockdown and the real scoop on vaccine rollout over there. Any talk of when Italy will be open for anyone other than EU people? Grazie 🇺🇸✈🇮🇹❤🙏🤞
Hey Tina. I always love reading your comments and feedback! Yeah I suppose it is a drawback to take liceo linguistico and then at age 19 decide you want to be a scientist. Next week's video will be a totally new kind of video that has taken me a long time to make, but's all good! I am actually not on top of things as far as the vaccines are concerned. All's I know is that I am scheduled to get it this summer. As for travel updates, I have no info BUT I have a hunch that Italy will do what it can to get tourists back here because I don't think they can afford to not have tourists here again this summer.
09:10 L'occupazione é una sorta di "sciopero" degli studenti.. Di solito bagno rotti che non vengono riparati Riscaldamento rotto d'inverno per giorni e giorni... È questa é l'Italia brutta 😔
@@DavidsDoseofItaly Visto anche io (dall'esterno, fortunatamente ho frequentato dell'asilo al diploma in una scuola privata) e mi ha sempre lasciato una grande amarezza... Grazie per i Suoi video, mi aiutano a tenere vive le capacità di ascolto (molto meglio dei film, in quel caso le immagini aiutano molto) Grazie 😊👍
@@mauriziovolpi7691 e credi quindi che sia meglio la scuola privata di quella pubblica. Peccato che i fondi per la scuola pubblica vengano dirottati alle scuole private, e questo succede anche in USA
Same faces, all five years. Yeah. For 5 years in the same class may seem strange, I know. I want to tell a good story.My best friend and I have known each other for 23 years, she was my classmate in high school, we spent 5 years together in high school and haven't left each other since that day. I was a bridesmaid in her wedding. And to this day adult women we have the same complicity we had in school. 🥰🥰🥰😊😊😊😊
As an American I'll never get used to that concept. However I am still in contact with old classmates so in a way I do understand. I think it's hard to stay friends with someone for decades, so complimenti!
the whole chairs on the doors to keep the students out seem a bit extreme and dangerous and fire hazzard for the teachers. But why would the teachers do that to begin with?
To this day, I have not been able to figure that out. It really didn’t seem like the kids were violent. But from what I understand, there was something on authorize about the whole ordeal and as a result, the principal decided to force close the door.
I teach at "scuola media" and my students never stand up when teachers enter...in many cases the act like no one came in, they keep talking and moving in the room
Public and private schools really are two totally different scenarios. You absolutely need a degree if you want to teach in the public school. I worked in a private school that had contracts for the public schools and when you work in a private school, you don’t necessarily need a degree. This greatly depends on where you work and which school hires you Do you need a degree to work in a private school? The short answer is no, but I say it always helps. I think that the better schools will require degrees and certifications, and most importantly experience.
It's feels like rolling the dice, you really are in teacher's hands, and even if she want good for you, she may not know what you know best. When I was 8-12 years old, I faced a very demanding history teacher, I woke up with nightmares the day of interrogation. We can choose the day of interrogation but if I were not good enough, the interrogation will be over soon, and another random students would get my place, of course everybody 'd hate me for that. So social pressure plus teacher pressure plus my parent pressure=It was a nightmare. But it is something very close to a job interview so at least you are prepared for that. You also learn how to improvise. None can be good in everything but if you can at least improvise a speech you are good. Perhaps this is the reasons we do not have speech contest in Italy.
Well occupation are pretty much rare, by this day, i remember having done 2 at my times (early 90's) one for the war of the gulf (the second) but honestly it was more an autogestione and the prof were always with us and one to protest the fact that the municipal authorities in the middle of winter were not very speedfull in repairing our heaters (this was honestly proposed by our own principal as any of his regular request was ignored and he was right, after a couple a journalist come to our high school to cover the event the repairs were done at speedlight)
Yeah, that happened to us once. No heaters in the school. Oh well, I just taught in my jacket. Autogestione to protest the gulf war? How effective was that?
@@DavidsDoseofItaly not much as you can image but we were just teen agers and the gulf war was at national level a pretty scary thing (as usually the middle east conflagration have the tendency to cause direct and indirect damage here in western europe) and the first real war that Italy partecipated after WWII, plus seem strange but at the time the Iraqui army was considered a serious menace and thousands of deaths and months of fight were expected. Well i don't know how cold winter are in Rome, but here in the north are pretty strong and that year there were a lot of snow, so everybody (from student to teacher and parents) was pretty upset
Yes. The gulf war was a big deal in the USA too. Mostly media hype if you ask me. I did see the fountain in piazza Barberini freeze one year but it was fluke to be honest. I was actually colder in Salerno given that it’s coastal and you have the mountains right next to it.
Wow there's so much to the Italian high school. I'm looking forward to joining soon. You've said things that pretty much give me a picture of military camp haha but it's not so far from my Culture. Can one crash highschool and not have to do the entire 5years?
@@DavidsDoseofItaly well our system here is strict too. Discpline is enforced like literally not in a bad way though. I wonder how Americans have all that freedom. Here we don't have detention. You're found on the wrong, you get caned. Totally legal. Is it practised both in the US and Italy? Okay if one can't crash the 5years.....do they have like an adult highschool? Part time kinda thing?
If you mean Italy then yes discipline is not enforced in a meaningful way in my opinion. there isnt a firm idea rooted in Italian society of "if I break the rules, there are consequences". In regards to high school for adults, yes I do believe there are options out there. I have never been asked this question but you can take evening classes and eventually get your high school diploma. You want to look for scuola serale which is public, or scuola paritaria which is private and can be costly.
About oral test, my italian teacher in the university / not school/ make us do the intergaziione , i do not remember the word exatly , sorry , we should do this exam or this test without forget any word of the text , it was difficult . Some of us can recite word by word , the other can not . For me i can analyse not recite , and the teacher gave bad result of exam .
Interrogazione in English is an oral test. That's what I'd call it. I feel your pain! It's not easy to recite. It takes me multiple takes (riprese in italiano) to say the simplest things.
@@DavidsDoseofItaly Loro vorrebbero frequentare una scuola così: il fatto di avere tutte le materie obbligatorie, di stare nella stessa classe con le stesse persone (si, ok, a parte i bocciati, ma sono pochi) per 5 anni, è pesante. Pensa poi ora che, causa Covid, non possono nemmeno muoversi in aula: hanno un solo break di 10 minuti (dove possono mangiare, ma seduti al banco) e le aule delle scuole italiane sai come sono...un ambiente asettico, non riconoscibile, con le persiane rotte, ecc...Ma anche per noi insegnanti sarebbe bellissimo avere la "nostra" aula, personalizzarla e non correre da una classe all'altra perché abbiamo dimenticato libri e dispense o non avere una LIM in ogni aula che, per noi che insegniamo lingue, è fondamentale.
@@lindapisani3681 Io credo che sia necessario che gli insegnanti abbiano la propria aula per vari motivi: ti fa sentire più autoritaria (in senso positivo ovviamente) perché sono gli studenti che sono gli ospiti e non vice versa, gli studenti si possono spostare durante il giorno. Ti dico per esperienza che è bello cambiare aria e aula durante il giorno. Spero che arrivi presto questo tipo di cambiamento. Ah! Hai visto il video che ho fatto un mesetto fa? Parla Rossana e ci racconta come va la sua via in America!
pretty accurate as usual! IMO autogestione /occupazione are disgraceful remnants of the 1968 student protest movement, which in Italy was strongly associated with Marxism (mini revolutions in schools as a prelude to the Big Glorious one). Didactic usefulness : 0
Hi Lorenzo. As I mentioned in the video I didn't really see the usefulness in them.
@@DavidsDoseofItaly The usefullness of autogestione is really down to the students and what they want to do. For example in my school we had a lot of people coming in to talk about different topics not usually covered by school or same students teached us particular skill. Some more political talking was done then normal.
Occupazione is a more of a protest in the real sense and is usually connected to same specific topic, usually political. in Italian univerity there had been recently occupazioni for the refermation of the university system.
@@gloriarossetto5097 I saw autogestione twice in two different high schools. To me it didn’t seem like a good use of time. But I didn’t inspect every classroom.
Thank you for the accurate explanation! You covered everything perfectly. The only thing I have to point is that in Italy choosing a type of high school is not exactly like choosing a university mayor, and I’m particularly referring to “Liceo”. It’s true that you can choose your favorite subjects, but that subjects aren’t the only ones we study. Every Liceo has the same subjects and some of them are covered more (in terms of topics and total hours) than the others depending from “Indirizzo”. The only subjects that really change are “Materie di indirizzo” which are typically 2 or 3. That said, when you do the final exam (Esame di Maturità) only the written test is specific, while the essay and oral test are quite similar, since they cover your entire high school knowledge.
Hey! Thank you! This comment made my day! Yeah, I touched upon the idea of materie di indirizzo but I didn't know the precise name for it which you in fact have taught me today!
Amazing video! I learned so much in this video. Keep up the great work!
SO funnnnn
Hi stuff of the legends. It just occurred to me, you're the first genuine US youtuber that spent a significant amount of time in Italy and thus capable to deeply understand and compare these two countries...I mean, the first I happened to notice. I used to have a rather romantic view of US... Got a hell of a lot of questions to ask.
Wow ! That’s an incredible compliment ! Thank you ! Yes I try to see things from their viewpoint and from there I can decide if I agree or not. It’s human behavior as we all do things for a reason. Understanding reasoning different than our own is a challenge. Fire away with your questions!
I love your video! You helped me learn about Italia! I love you!
Glad I could help!
Fantastic video prof ! Thanks for the mention :))
This makes this video much more authentic! Thank you Elisa for your input in this video! Keep on rockin' no matter what else the rest of the world is listening to!
Molto utile come sempre Davide
Grazie 🤩
youtube suggested me this video and then at 0:34 i see my highscool/Liceo. That's really spooky , i kinda got an heartattack (it's a figure of speech). Autogestione at my highscool Cannizzaro , they removed at my third year so 2018/2019 because as you could see it was a waste of time and only me and my friends attended one lesson (and we were the odd ones in that situation). last year of Occupazione was 2015/2016 because no one had the courage (if you wanna call it like this) to do it since our school was literally attached to a Carabinieri/Police station. Lastly we don't have school teams but we have our cities'football team (not everyone cheer for the same team of their city but the majority do ) and ooohh boy if those are important
Yeah. Waste of time. I agree. As an American it’s really foreign concept.
Grande ! Gli USA e l Italai dovrebbero cooperare piu, su tutti i livelli, imo ! ( Ma anche l europa tutta e Usa)
I absolutely loved this video. Keep chasing your dreams on being a famous TH-camr. I could not thank you more for the amazing adventures I have had with your video's along the way!
Thank you! Not tomorrow but I’ll get there !
It's quite common to have several types of highschools within the same school building under the same school name. It's usually the case with licei, the "higher" level of highschools (this might be seen as controversial 😅). In order to be called liceo, by law a school must offer mandatory latin classes (and liceo classico must offer both latin and ancient greek classes). Back in the days until the 80's licei were the only type of highschool that would grant students access to university. In my experience, my school had 3 types of those, classico, scientifico and linguistico (the one I attended). About autogestione, in my school it would usually take place during the last week of school before Christmas holidays, and you would have the chance to sign up for different activities and workshops, like music history, comic book clubs and stuff like that (even more silly ones, like vintage ps2 gaming club😅). Sorry for the long ass comment, it's just that your videos are always very interesting and bring back quite some memories 😄
Ciao Luigi! Grazie per il complimento! I am unclear about what you meant by the higher level of high schools being controversial. leave long ass comments all you like, I love the feedback because it's nice to have someone recognize your work after all the hours you put into making the videos. Ps2 gaming club? if they had had GTA San Andreas I'd have been there in a heartbeat! Off topic: The last time I was at my parents house, I found that game and because I love it so much I decided to leave it in Connecticut. Why? if I brought it here, I'd never get any work done!
@@DavidsDoseofItaly ahahaha it's still italy, so we're talking mostly old soccer videogames 😅 what I meant with higher level is that licei are mostly considered more prestigious than other types of schools, and also harder to attend, compared to schools like commerciale, industriale and professionale (alberghiero is among these), where the level of education is perceived as lower quality and intensity wise, despite there shouldn't be much difference on paper. Basically, a lot of people say that a 6 in a classico is worth a 10 in a professionale, because it seems that teachers are a bit more loose in the latter.
@@luigimatteopalma7874 Eh, I might have skipped it then because I am not a fan of soccer. Keep watching for a video on that topic! I think things are changing now because knowing a certain skill, knowing how to make something with your hands is more profitable than in previous decades. At least in America. My grandma told me to become an electrician. I wish I had listened to her.
Interesting to hear your east coast accent popping in for a gander around 5:05- American never leaves you I suppose haha!
"and I remember that I chose marketing". I had no idea this would reveal my East Coast upbringing! Honestly, I don't hear it and I always considered a Connecticut accent to be almost non-existent in the sense that to me it just sounds like a standard American accent. Standard with the exception of Southern states and Midwest accents which have a distinct sound in my opinion. Oddly enough, when I am back home and conversing with family and friends I do feel a change in the way that I speak, so maybe there is some merit to all this! Thanks for mentioning this though, it was interesting!
Ciao David, sull'argomento scuole superiori non ho niente da dire,(visto che mi sono fermato alla terza media),ma ti volevo solo salutare.😉🍻
Ciao Massimiliano! Sempre un piacere averti qui! Grazie. Se posso chiedere, come mai ti sei fermato alla terza media?
@@DavidsDoseofItaly perché in matematica ero veramente una capra, non riuscivo a capirla,e anche se ero abbastanza bravo nelle altre materie, avrei dovuto fare il liceo classico,ma con il classico avrei dovuto fare l'università per forza,e la mia famiglia non se lo poteva permettere,eravamo 4 figli e lavorava solo mio padre, quindi sono andato a lavorare a 15 anni,ma adesso mi ritrovo disoccupato a 53 anni, non è bello.Ciao David!👋👋👍
Massimiliano ti consiglio di guardare questo video.
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Te lo condivido perché credo che tu possa approfittare dei concetti del video ma soprattutto l’idea di fare soldi online Io credo davvero che sia e continuerà ad essere un buon modo di guadagnare soldi senza il bisogno di presentarsi per forza in un posto fisico. Non sono quali siano le tue competenze ma fossi in te studierei questo concetto. Spero di esserti stato utile !
You are too cute. You should be a model
🙃. I’d prefer to be a rock star
Mathematics is my worse subject
Likewise. I hate it
Even though I think that oral tests are very important, I have to admit that the US system seems way better than the italian one
For what reason ?
@@DavidsDoseofItaly I think that students are more empowered and held accountable for their actions and choices. They choose what classes to take, they don't spend the whole day in the same room, and tests (at least most of them) are scheduled. It's similar to the italian university system.
Another thing I don't like about the anglo-saxon education system: their obsession with multiple answer quizzes. Few open-ended quizzes and no oral tests = lack of communication skills
@@Kirk9393 Unfortunately in Italy there is a general lack of the idea of consequences for your actions. We also had pop quizes in the US, but yes they were planned
@@Kirk9393 I can't confirm or deny that mainly because of the fact that I am 41 and don't recall what kind of tests we had. I will say this though, multiple choice does depend a bit more on luck than an open ended question.
I have the impression that public high schools in the USA generally give students a lower cultural preparation than Italian/European public schools do. English, maths, science, history and geography (!!), foreign languages are more studied here than there. European exchange students coming back here after 1 year high school in the USA (generally our 4th year, that is the last year there) all report this comment. What is your opinion about that ?
Hi Laura.
That’s hard to give a definite yes or no for a few reasons. The first one is I have lived in Italy for 13 years and so I’m not exactly up-to-date with what is taught in US schools. My wife however shares your opinion and instinctively I do think that culture is stressed a bit more in Italian schools than US, I think the US is more about practicality than theory. They both have merit but me personally, I prefer practicality. Hands-on experience.
I follow an Italian guru who back in the 90s did a year abroad in the United States. When he came back to Italy, he had to recuperate “a lost year”. So I think there is some truth to this notion.
I’ve been constantly watching videos about Italian high school since I’m going to become an exchange student in a couple months. This video has been much help! Mille grazie ❤
Awesome! thanks for watching. I'm sure it'll go fine. Italians are chaotic and loud but good people for the most part.
Uan cosa che ho sempre notato di voi americani, e che vi adatte molto, sapete farlo bene, stare al mondo, vedere il meglio di ogni situazione ! Ecco siete molto flexible ! E non isolazionisti ma aperti al mondo.
Una qualita' che si acquista quando si lascia casa a 20 anni, sei solo e devi svegliarti e imparare a stare al mondo interagire con gli altri ! E bello vivere cosi
Poi credo che tanti americani sono crtici verso l america, finche non vanno all estero e capiscono che voi siete spesso fortunati !tanti privilegi li date prr scontati....
Non vi manca nulla al vostro paese, a parte la storia e i monuementi 🙂
La mia teoria su questo è che non abbiamo una cultura ben definita e storica quanto l’Europa e quindi non siamo condizionati a determinati modi di fare e vivere la nostra vita. Io credo che questo ci renda più flessibili quando abbiamo a che fare con nuove culture.
Si. Ultimamente incontro tanti americani insoddisfatti del proprio paese e addirittura su questo canale tanti accennano che se ne vogliono andare per sempre. Negli ultimi 15 anni io credo sia cambiata tanta l’America e non per forza positivamente
Loved the vid! Helped me extend my Italian. Grazie! Te amo!
Glad it helped!
good video. When I went to school in Italy, we did not have the yearbook. Also occupazione was sometimes like a fake strike I hated those. Una scusa per non fare nulla.
😄😄😄. Hai visto ?
In my opinion choosing the type of High school (which has a lot of influence in the career) at a very young age can be difficult and confusing...i prefer the USA system
Overall I do prefer the US system too, but I wanted to present the positive side to Italian high school. I do think however that at age 13-14 you do know whether you are more mathematically, scientifically or linguistically minded. So, perhaps your choice of high school is not 100% in line with what you want to do after you graduate but it's at least close. In my case I studied marketing at college and ended up moving to Italy to teach Italy.
Were the kids more well behaved in the Italian high schools then they are in the States these days? Like violence in schools?
Hi Mary and good question. Their behavior was different in the sense that the Italian kids talked a lot more and even talked while I was trying to explain something. But never once did I feel personally insulted or in danger. In Italy, they just don’t have the risk of school shootings. I hopefully it stays that way.
Great video! As a teenager I went from a suburban middle school in NY to a high school in calabria. One morning during my freshman year on my way to school I hear drums beating and chanting "Occuperemo fino a natale e se non ci basta fino a pasqua!" The chaos was foreign to me so I asked a classmate for details. He explained what was about to happen and sure enough the students overtook the school I believe that it lasted for about a week or two. Eventually carabinieri found contraband if my memory serves me correctly and it was disbanded. From multiple choice to oral exams was an interesting transition. Not sure if Rome is the same but we didn't get report cards instead the final grades were posted on the front of the building with each student's I.D. number instead of our names.
Thank you ! Wow what a cultural transition : California to Calabria! I found that kinda chaos strange too the first time I encountered it.
Yeah In Rome I remember seeing student ID cards and they’re used to justify absences and other things too.
Keeping it Italian with your pepperoni pizza face
Thanks. I think 🤔
Very interesting video David as I knew nothing about schools in Italy. I like the idea of choosing the type of high school but because I wasn't sure what I wanted to do exactly after high school, so I'm glad it was just your basic curriculum with some elective classes. I would absolutely hate oral exams as well. Back in my small town there was no high school so I took the big yellow school bus 18 miles each way to the nearest high school. My last two years I occasionally borrowed the family car to drive myself to school. Fascinating info, and by the way, I think you look well rested in this video. Looking forward to seeing what next week's will be about. Maybe an update on lockdown and the real scoop on vaccine rollout over there. Any talk of when Italy will be open for anyone other than EU people? Grazie 🇺🇸✈🇮🇹❤🙏🤞
Hey Tina. I always love reading your comments and feedback! Yeah I suppose it is a drawback to take liceo linguistico and then at age 19 decide you want to be a scientist. Next week's video will be a totally new kind of video that has taken me a long time to make, but's all good! I am actually not on top of things as far as the vaccines are concerned. All's I know is that I am scheduled to get it this summer. As for travel updates, I have no info BUT I have a hunch that Italy will do what it can to get tourists back here because I don't think they can afford to not have tourists here again this summer.
All high schools in Italy have a common layer of generic topics. It isn't uncommon a drastic change from the high school type to the university major
09:10 L'occupazione é una sorta di "sciopero" degli studenti.. Di solito bagno rotti che non vengono riparati Riscaldamento rotto d'inverno per giorni e giorni...
È questa é l'Italia brutta 😔
Come dico all’inizio ne ho visto uno che stava per diventare violento e fuori controllo. Fu una cosa impressionante.
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Visto anche io (dall'esterno, fortunatamente ho frequentato dell'asilo al diploma in una scuola privata) e mi ha sempre lasciato una grande amarezza...
Grazie per i Suoi video, mi aiutano a tenere vive le capacità di ascolto (molto meglio dei film, in quel caso le immagini aiutano molto)
Grazie 😊👍
Si infatti. Per me sia le immagine sia le riprese secondarie aiutano tanto lo scorrere del video
@@mauriziovolpi7691 e credi quindi che sia meglio la scuola privata di quella pubblica. Peccato che i fondi per la scuola pubblica vengano dirottati alle scuole private, e questo succede anche in USA
You look a bit tired but that doesn't matter! You may have a small beard but your pimples are huge!
Same faces, all five years. Yeah.
For 5 years in the same class may seem strange, I know. I want to tell a good story.My best friend and I have known each other for 23 years, she was my classmate in high school, we spent 5 years together in high school and haven't left each other since that day. I was a bridesmaid in her wedding. And to this day adult women we have the same complicity we had in school. 🥰🥰🥰😊😊😊😊
As an American I'll never get used to that concept. However I am still in contact with old classmates so in a way I do understand. I think it's hard to stay friends with someone for decades, so complimenti!
So Interesting keep up the hard work!
I agree with you Cole!
the whole chairs on the doors to keep the students out seem a bit extreme and dangerous and fire hazzard for the teachers. But why would the teachers do that to begin with?
To this day, I have not been able to figure that out. It really didn’t seem like the kids were violent. But from what I understand, there was something on authorize about the whole ordeal and as a result, the principal decided to force close the door.
I teach at "scuola media" and my students never stand up when teachers enter...in many cases the act like no one came in, they keep talking and moving in the room
Not all of my classes stood up when I came in. The other behavior you described. Yes, I am familiar with that.
Do you need a teaching degree to teach English in public and private schools in Italy? What do you need?
Public and private schools really are two totally different scenarios. You absolutely need a degree if you want to teach in the public school. I worked in a private school that had contracts for the public schools and when you work in a private school, you don’t necessarily need a degree. This greatly depends on where you work and which school hires you
Do you need a degree to work in a private school? The short answer is no, but I say it always helps. I think that the better schools will require degrees and certifications, and most importantly experience.
Che bello non ho capito niente.
Si vede che sono brava in inglese.
Ciao Giulia. Mi dispiace che non mi hai seguito. Cercherò di mettere i sottotitoli.
Culture starts at the schools and both countries are different and the evidence is in the education system.
True. While in the classroom I often told myself these kids are turning into real Italians. In good and bad senses.
Question: How would you feel about taking an oral exam? Have you done one?
It's feels like rolling the dice, you really are in teacher's hands, and even if she want good for you, she may not know what you know best. When I was 8-12 years old, I faced a very demanding history teacher, I woke up with nightmares the day of interrogation. We can choose the day of interrogation but if I were not good enough, the interrogation will be over soon, and another random students would get my place, of course everybody 'd hate me for that. So social pressure plus teacher pressure plus my parent pressure=It was a nightmare. But it is something very close to a job interview so at least you are prepared for that. You also learn how to improvise. None can be good in everything but if you can at least improvise a speech you are good. Perhaps this is the reasons we do not have speech contest in Italy.
@@andreadifolca8038 Hi Andrea. Thanks for sharing your experience! Yeah I think I'd crack under the pressure too. What do you mean by speech contest?
I like oral exams and short answer tests
I did an oral Spanish exam or a Spanish linguistic class in college
Do you prepare a lot for oral exams ?
Well occupation are pretty much rare, by this day, i remember having done 2 at my times (early 90's) one for the war of the gulf (the second) but honestly it was more an autogestione and the prof were always with us and one to protest the fact that the municipal authorities in the middle of winter were not very speedfull in repairing our heaters (this was honestly proposed by our own principal as any of his regular request was ignored and he was right, after a couple a journalist come to our high school to cover the event the repairs were done at speedlight)
Yeah, that happened to us once. No heaters in the school. Oh well, I just taught in my jacket. Autogestione to protest the gulf war? How effective was that?
@@DavidsDoseofItaly not much as you can image but we were just teen agers and the gulf war was at national level a pretty scary thing (as usually the middle east conflagration have the tendency to cause direct and indirect damage here in western europe) and the first real war that Italy partecipated after WWII, plus seem strange but at the time the Iraqui army was considered a serious menace and thousands of deaths and months of fight were expected. Well i don't know how cold winter are in Rome, but here in the north are pretty strong and that year there were a lot of snow, so everybody (from student to teacher and parents) was pretty upset
Yes. The gulf war was a big deal in the USA too. Mostly media hype if you ask me.
I did see the fountain in piazza Barberini freeze one year but it was fluke to be honest. I was actually colder in Salerno given that it’s coastal and you have the mountains right next to it.
Is it true that in Italy school is held Monday to Saturday?
No. Not every school goes to school on Saturday.
Not all of them but yeah, most do!
From an American point of view it’s a bit depressing!
Sì sia alle medie che alle superiori. Hanno cambiato con le elementari, col tempo pieno fino a venerdì
@@gnuffola1979 Grazie
Wow there's so much to the Italian high school. I'm looking forward to joining soon. You've said things that pretty much give me a picture of military camp haha but it's not so far from my Culture. Can one crash highschool and not have to do the entire 5years?
Hi Tess. What culture of yours are you referring to?
No I don’t think you can cram 5 years into one year. Why do you ask ?
@@DavidsDoseofItaly well our system here is strict too. Discpline is enforced like literally not in a bad way though.
I wonder how Americans have all that freedom. Here we don't have detention. You're found on the wrong, you get caned. Totally legal. Is it practised both in the US and Italy?
Okay if one can't crash the 5years.....do they have like an adult highschool? Part time kinda thing?
If you mean Italy then yes discipline is not enforced in a meaningful way in my opinion. there isnt a firm idea rooted in Italian society of "if I break the rules, there are consequences". In regards to high school for adults, yes I do believe there are options out there. I have never been asked this question but you can take evening classes and eventually get your high school diploma. You want to look for scuola serale which is public, or scuola paritaria which is private and can be costly.
About oral test, my italian teacher in the university / not school/ make us do the intergaziione , i do not remember the word exatly , sorry , we should do this exam or this test without forget any word of the text , it was difficult . Some of us can recite word by word , the other can not . For me i can analyse not recite , and the teacher gave bad result of exam .
Interrogazione in English is an oral test. That's what I'd call it. I feel your pain! It's not easy to recite. It takes me multiple takes (riprese in italiano) to say the simplest things.
Interrogazione is not a memorized recitation
Really good video, thanks!
Thank you! What did you like in particular?
I love the close up pics of your face because I can see all of the pimples.
I didn’t see em !
Very interesting video! Oggi l'ho fatto vedere ad una delle mie classi. Bravo!
Oh wow !! E cosa pensavano ? Grazie davvero Linda !
@@DavidsDoseofItaly Loro vorrebbero frequentare una scuola così: il fatto di avere tutte le materie obbligatorie, di stare nella stessa classe con le stesse persone (si, ok, a parte i bocciati, ma sono pochi) per 5 anni, è pesante. Pensa poi ora che, causa Covid, non possono nemmeno muoversi in aula: hanno un solo break di 10 minuti (dove possono mangiare, ma seduti al banco) e le aule delle scuole italiane sai come sono...un ambiente asettico, non riconoscibile, con le persiane rotte, ecc...Ma anche per noi insegnanti sarebbe bellissimo avere la "nostra" aula, personalizzarla e non correre da una classe all'altra perché abbiamo dimenticato libri e dispense o non avere una LIM in ogni aula che, per noi che insegniamo lingue, è fondamentale.
@@lindapisani3681 Io credo che sia necessario che gli insegnanti abbiano la propria aula per vari motivi: ti fa sentire più autoritaria (in senso positivo ovviamente) perché sono gli studenti che sono gli ospiti e non vice versa, gli studenti si possono spostare durante il giorno. Ti dico per esperienza che è bello cambiare aria e aula durante il giorno. Spero che arrivi presto questo tipo di cambiamento. Ah! Hai visto il video che ho fatto un mesetto fa? Parla Rossana e ci racconta come va la sua via in America!