Fools will always be fools If not the greatness and the great love and respect for Mandela around the world!! Winnie is a disgrace to life itself.a killer wicked abject minded person and opposite of what Mandela stood for.a theif.
Samantha wijekoon bhai na na...She doesn't have any fight until her death. She is a person who can not compare with a normal woman who sleeps with people like you. She is a queen who holds her dignity. She lives forever in the hearts of the people who know her value.
Had it been Winnie in jail for 27yrs, she would have found Mandela with a wife and children and he would have expected Winnie to understand. Actually he wouldn’t have been expected to explain or apologise for that bcoz it’s okay bcoz he is a man. I cried a few times when I saw the way Winnie was treated by Mandela and his friends. I don’t however think they hated her. They talked ill of her. They were jealous of her. She was a very beautiful woman, very intelligent and loving. She spent her life fighting for her husband’s freedom and she loved him. Those who were fighting Winnie and spreading hate for her will not leave this world without paying. Winnie was quiet and she never fought them back. She held her peace and left everything to GOD. She knew the power of Exodus 14:14. The LORD shall fight for you, and you shall hold your peace. I will always love Winnie and would like to emulate her❤️❤️
Mandela did a great thing by divorcing a woman who had cheated on him with a man almost 30 years younger than her and almost 50 years younger than Mandela himself.
Your opinion would make sense "if" he broke up with her Ben 10 once Mandela was free. But to continue doing it after Nelly was released & Adv Ben10 secret trip to New York with Nelly's wife is the worst betrayal ever.
How hypocritic people can be. Winnie didn't sleep in a same bed with Mandela after he came out of prison. She didn't stop sleeping with Dali after he came out of prison. Would you be happy if your wife does that?
I also don't understand that part. Mandela knew about the relationship and told her not to go to the US with her lover but she went with him anyway. What is a man to do?
@GeorgeKhoza-cf8yu well said bro. She did not stop to sleep with the Ben ten and she made him feel worthless. People who were closed 2him indicated that he was very sad when he came out of prison after seeing the affair that his wife had.
Winnie Mandela provided Nelson R.Mandela with crucial needed visibility to push SA causes and struggles in the global arena. The trajectory would have very different. Give credit to her significant contributions. Every individual has strengths and flaws, part of being human.
It was the UDF and the MDM - mass democratic movement) that brought apartheid to its knees... I know this for a fact.. Cos I was there! These things occurred around 1988 to 1992..then apartheid became illegal.. Winnie tried her best in the 70s and 80s, but she was not the cause for the white man ending apartheid, it was the UDM and MDM!!
@@kenbhengeza5038 Wrong. Mandela was the Julius Malema of his day, a hot headed rabble rouser, as evidenced by the fact that he's the one who drove the idea of forming, uMkhonto we Sizwe, the military armed wing of the ANC. Oliver Tambo had the hall marks of a statesman. Madiba? Not so much. uMam Winnie was considered beauty queen material, not a revolutionary, but when Tata was captured and jailed (5 years turned into life imprisonment), she picked up his Kalashnikov and strode onto the battle field, with TWO children strapped to her back. Swathed in ANC colours, sometimes in combat fatigues, she kept the ANC alive with her political rhetoric. She was jailed, tortured (beaten and kept in solitary confinement for 491 days, denied a shower for 200 days, told to use her hands to stem her menses). Out of the 21 jailed with her, 3 committed suicide, 2 went mad. Upon release, she didn't capitulate, still SHE ROSE AGAIN. Beautiful, bold and defiant. By the 70s she gained prominence. Finally, the Movement decided to make Nelson and Winnie love story central to the Struggle, and that is how Mandela was chosen to be The Face of the Struggle. Prior to this, he was but one of many, and a rabble rouser to boot; hot headed, impatient, prone to making rash statements. *uWinnie* is the one who ensured the Mandela name was seared in the consciences of men, in the consciousness of their minds.
That’s not the reason why they divorced, it was strictly political.Winnie remain a true revolutionary and a lot had changed when Madiba was released from prison.
Search for a book titled Katiza's Journey by Fred Bridgland. It's an account of Katiza Cebekhulu's experiences with Mandela united and his time living at mama Winnie's house, with other youngsters who sought refuge. Your perspective about many things may change.
Do you know what it feels like to call your wife and her lover answers the phone after she has disrespected you and traveled with the same lover you told her not to? Yes, Winnie was a great and invaluable freedom fighter and all her role in the struggle can never be overemphasized but there are things between a man and a woman that are just too sacred. She could have at least stopped the affair with Mpofu when Madiba was about to be released. She had all the time in the world to do that.
@@tonye.8023 yaaa, very true, the worst thing that can happen to a man is to have another man sleep with his wife. ( strange cases of strange man sleeping with other man's wife's, in their own homes and their own beds) According to the Bible, it is the only reason a man can put away his wife. God help us.
What is that got to do with the divorce. If u were there un those times u would know that Winnie left Mandela first. Mandela initiated divorce cause in private there was no Winnie in his life she emerged for public appearance. Ask neighbours and journalists who camped outside their home and saw Winnie being dropped off by a car in the morning until Tata moved out. She was avoiding to answer questions about family money she had squandered with boyfriends. She said that herself in a letter to Dali.
@@Obitseng Not impossible, but very hard to do, especially when it looked like a hopeless scenario. I don't think Mandela blamed her for stepping out of the marriage. He blamed her for how she responded to him once he was home.
Mandela did not cause any pain for Winnie except that he was in jail but Dali Mpofu caused pain to both Mandela & Winnie hence he Dali always angry at the ANC for his own skeletons SA must say it out loud usile uyihlazo uDali
No matter what, Mama Winnie sacrificed so much. She held the struggle on her husband’s behalf. Madiba could not have done it without her. I have to say she was a true warrior and Lioness. No one is perfect, but she did the perfect thing by standing behind and beside her husband. She is a human-being like any of us. Think of it, 27 years she kept the fight for freedom that all South Africans enjoy today. Definitely something have to give. I respect this woman. Long may she be remembered for many years to come.
I don't care what nobody says. Winnie went through hell and back while her husband prioritised his country, instead of his family. Let her rest in peace.
Twist of facts. Untrue.Dali Mpofu was never the reason for their divorce, instead, his, that's Mandela's stance at negotiations was. She told him on his face that he sold the nation and his Comrades. Even at the jailhouse where Winnie visited, she asked, what about your Comrades. Please don't spread lies. Some of us were there. She also did not kidnap and kill, the apartheid informant Williams confessed that he was set up to be next to Winnie in order to tarnish her name and destroy her political career. Not in her grave PLEASE.
Mandela was instructed by his handlers to divorce Winnie Mandela because she was very closed to the late Chris Hani who always refused to take orders from Nelson Mandela's handlers. Winnie Mandela refused to be recruited for a fake freedom project in SA. Nelson Mandela was housed in a premises owned by Oppenheimer and Winnie Mandela refused to visit him in that house because she referred to it as a house of an enemy. During Codesa negotiations Nelson Mandela compromised his own people when he failed to realize that political power would be useless without economic power and land being returned to the rightful owners. Winnie Mandela and Chris Hani walked out of codesa meeting after they realized that Nelson Mandela sold out, Winnie told Nelson Mandela that they have sold black people who trusted them so much with their lives and she is not going to be part of this betrayal. This is why Chris Hani was murdered and Nelson Mandela had to divorce his wife who refused to be converted into a traitor.
@@abrammathebe510 So Chris Hani was killed by a white man sent by ANC officials ? But Winnie must have shared some anomalies noticed in Mandela after those 27 purported years of incarceration ..Those who were very close can tell us what they know about the Nelson from Robben Island prison.I know that Winnie must have known for sure whether this was a real Mandela or fake M.Shade more light on this. It is only a new woman like Samora Mashel's widow who could not notice that difference in persona and body structure of the husband.....Was D.Mpofu sued for flirting with an elderly but beautiful married Winnie ? How old was D.M when he had a relationship with Winnie as this story tells us ?
Ooh this story is so sad, a couple that loved eachother but did not have time to know each other😭sacrificed for our freedom. Choldren who never knew their father, their father and husband taken from them young and returned an old man they could not relate to😭😭😭this is too much.
I also chose not to forgive Winnie for killing Stompie. She went to the commission and refused to admit killing Stompie but was given full pardon by Bishop Tutu. The commission gave pardon to people who fully disclosed their crime or part in it. She never disclosed anything. Tutu just said, "just admit things went horribly wrong" and she said yes. That's it. She needed to go to jail for her great part in that youngsters death.
She didn't kill Stompi, apartheid government did. Were you able to listen to apartheid agent called Williams about Winnie project. Don't open something you're clueless about. Don't teach wrong history. Winnie was surrounded by Mandela football club which was formed by agent Williams. Which history have you hot. Don't feed South Africans rubbish lies
@@buyelwacarolgcadanantozo1972I’m not sure we watched the same video 🤷🏾♂️.. or you didn’t bother to watch it before you write your opinion?.. or you omitted the parts where she was sleeping around and never shared her bed Mandela since he returned from jail ?
@@bukton10 Bottom line is that most likely Mandela was fake, the real Mandela had died so Winnie could have discovered the scam that this wasn't Mandela Nelson original...This life is full of imitation stuff
Nothing will make me from not loving and appreciate Winnie Mandela. I was child under when i watched the Apartheid documentary. She was a heroine. May her gentle soul continue to rest in perfect peace Amen 🙏 .
When I listened to Mandela's "infamous" speech from the dock, I wondered if he would or could ever find a woman to go through all that with him. Something had to give. That "something" was his marriage!!
I was there, this man is desperate to make out of Winnie. She never had lovers. We were always around her as a mother. Stop lying. Make your money honourably not through lies. We're tired of you haters and cheaters. Our freedom is half achieved bcause of people like yourself
Not condoning what Winnie Mandela did to warrant the divorce.I respect both (especiall Nelson Mandela) for his relentless and undying fight his people's freedom...Rip Nelson Mandela,🙏 Steve Biko🙏 Lumumba🙏 Thomas Sankara🙏.Africa will never forget you.
It's very sad today we sit and become both the JUDGE,the JURY and EXECUTIONER,yet in our AFRICAN CULTURE,Dali should have respected the sacred space Mama Winnie and Tata had,Dali really stooped so low to destroy uTata and uMama.
Cloned mandela really he was able to forgive all his political enemies but couldn't forgive his own brothers who were fighting the same system which oppressed him why why why APLA cadres
Mandela slept alone in his bedroom while Winnie was having an affair with a younger man!!! What did you expect Mandela to do?? Chase after Winnie??? Mandela had dignity and maturity and I am happy he divorced Winnie…..
Did Mandela expect winnie to stay 27 years celibate? If it was the other way round, would Mandela have waited 27 years if winnie was locked up? Be realistic
Come on! The issue isn't about being able to wait, but why continue the affair after your hubby has been released? That is the issue here. Don't jump into judgement B4 making a thorough consideration of the matter.
@@gabrielmshiu6719While you may be right in that aspect, you dont really appreciate how difficult it is to manage emotions. A man with whom you had enjoyed intimacy for a couple of years,you think it is easy to just cut off suddenly like that? And a much younger man than Mandela! Do you know how she must have struggled between the moral burden and the sensual emotions? It is not easy to connect up so romantically with Mandela at that age having been engaged in such amorous relationship. Let us reverse it and put Mandela in Winnies situation, do you think it would also be easy for Mandela to drop a lady he had been romantically engaged with suddenly as we are expecting Winnie to do? Tragic and painful as it ended, there was perhaps no other realistic way than a divorce.
An old saying goes "let the bygones be bygones" But know they had to drag it out just because Adv Mpofu is successful on all grounds. He's just bring his best at court where judge hlophe appeared and has proven great against the racist DA and it's clearly racist lawyer. Now the want to win the case against judge hlophe through the back door, attacking the character of the advocate behind hlophe. We also know how they tried to destroy Winnie Mandela , a woman who had to survive 27 yrs without his husband who had was never there to perform his conjugal duties while she was harassed by a deliberate plan by the securities if the apartheid government. They had bug her calls and letters to really have something to blackmail her.
Yes because she continued to humiliate Nelson Mandela by fucking Dali Mpofu long after his release from prison. That is an unforgivable transgression. He is a saint for not fixing Mpofu.
I love Winnie Mandela and thank you for bringing her flaws out because in that she probably reflected and became a better person. Us women are so condemned when we err. We are stoned in public like Winnie was but know this that in your condemnation we reflect and ask for forgiveness but in the eyes of the world we are spat on and forever live like sinners but to God we become pure. To you men who sin and walk with your heads high, never taking note of your sins while pointing at others. The almighty remains displeased. Rest in peace our hero. You were smeared and i hope you asked to be forgiven and are resting in peace.
The irony of this story is very sad, yet is this not what most of us do? We cast people so dear and true to us, choosing to keep the opposite as our closest friends and advisors, business associates, etc😢
Winnie saw that the new Mandela who came out of Prison was not circumcise, hence she refuse to sleep with him. When Winnie was determined to expose the truth she was Silenced with Stompi Sepei saga. This Mandela his real name is Gibson Makhanda from Zimbabwe
I knew them both very well. Winnie was a stalwart and suffered greatly under Apartheid. She must be honored and respected for all the good she did. Mandela did not do it alone. He was released into a vacuum. God rest them both in peace. RIP
Nelson was by all accounts one of the greatest men of his century. Winnie betrayed and wounded him deeply with her shameless promiscuity. Imagine finding yourself talking to the lover of your wife in her hotel room in a far away land. Imagine her shamelessness as she asked for her husband’s permission to take her lover with her on her trip. He said no but she still did it. She was a scarlet woman of the worst order.
This is the price of freedom. When a man is involved in a struggle of such magnitude as this, he becomes a like a sacrificial lamb. He ceases to exist for himself. Everything about him is sacrificed in the altar of the struggle for others. His family, personal happiness etc. Ironically, those he is fighting for, becomes the devourers of his flesh and ribs. Winnie herself is also victim. In my view, I think she was overwhelmed by the demons that scavenge the theatre of such treacherous conflicts. Unprepared and uncooked, her frame couldn’t sustain the rigors of the game and fame. The disaster was inevitable. The man Mandela didn’t just lose himself and his freedom in the struggle. He lost his family also. Even when the chain was disbanded, his family was clearly never regained. Oppression is pure evil! Now I understand the full weight of Mandela’s statement at the end of apartheid when he said “Never again”! No man or nation should be made to go through such thing.
THIS IS A CLEAR PROOF THAT MEN NEVER FORGIVE CHEATING, THEY CAN ONLY PRETEND TO FORGIVE 😢😢😢😢, MANDELA FORGAVE HIS POLITICAL ENEMIES BUT COULDN'T FORGIVE WINNIE😢😢
Winnie Madikizela the true Icon, the brave woman, the princess of Africa. We don't care whatever they will say to tarnish her notable works. She was not a sellout and she remained herself.RIP Cde.
@@misterbaleize I guess that is partly why C. Hani was refusing to get instructions from handlers of a faked man...I think some top ANC Officials knew about that ,JZ possibly too.A world of scandals...We hear the man could not speak Khoxa language after release from prison ,true or false ?
@@Thee740uMam Winnie was beautiful on the inside, she single handedly kept the movement alive when the leadership was banged up in Robben Island, and others had fled into exile.
@@lekis5975 The death of a teenage boy named Stompie tells us that she is cruel yet she was a mother herself. Why kill another woman’s child? I don’t understand that part…..
Maybe this is not the true Mandela but rather Gibson Makanda to fool millions of people as Winnie would be the 1st one to see and recognize that this man its not true Nelson Mandela. What this Mandela did to SA is questionable considering the mandela that was inprisoned with Revonia trialists and then came to sell out black people
Mandela forgive Winnie, but chose not continue with her after finding out about Winnie's young lover who was keeping her happy while Mandela was in prison.
Because his wife embarassed him and disrgarded their vows... Eh banna. Respect is more important to a man than love... If she understood that and did things discreetly then end it when the man came out... He might have forgiven her. Anti-feminist podcast tell yall everyday, infidelity is different between men and women... Once another man inserts their thing inside you, he will never see you the same way, its just that.
@@thandohlomuka7046 , a very basic life concept. A concept that the feminine species seem to have trouble understanding. Some "mentally strong' men will try and make an attempt at reconciliation, but it will never be the same. The hard core among us, basic neanderthal men, the mere thought of ever touching that person is nauseating. Am not even writing about this article, but natural men and women interaction in general.
The same way as Hani was a threat to the ideal South Africa that was presented to Mandela by the white Capitalist,Winnie also was regarded the same .She had to be gotten rid of
❤🦁 🔥 LONG-LIVE WINNIE MANDELA!! THE MOTHER OF SOUTH AFRIKA!! MAY HER NAME AND BUISNESS REST IN PARADISE!! WINNIE WAS THE SPEAR OF THE NATI0N!! UNITE AFRIKANS UNITE!! WE WILL ALWAYS LOVE AND RESPECT YOU!!!! 🦁 ❤🔥
They will never tippex her name from our heads and minds. Rest in peace Mother of the Nation. Leave this haters to rot in hell. He's broke, he wants to sustain his lifestyle by putting your name in the mud. Winnie suffered more than enough
As long as they tell us our history and stories, truth will be hard to come out. We know why he divorced her. Samora Machel (Former President of Mozambique) said, "If you see the white men speaking good about me, know it that i betrayed my people"
Only the grace of God would have preserved their union given all the challenges. People struggled staying married without an inch of what they went through. May their souls continue to rest in power💪🏿💪🏿💪🏿
She continued to cheat even after the husband is out from jail .. Even the boyfriend picked his call after he's out from prison, that's the height of her disrespect to the husband. Why are some people saying waiting 27 yrs is the problem here, maybe they didn't watch till the end or probably didn't understand what they watched.
When you understand societal structure then you will understand why it's better for the man to forgive but walk away and I am not saying the woman should stay, if the reverse is the case.
Huh you thought a man would forgive a woman who was deliberately getting laid by a small boy even after he was out of prison. Rhaa. Us men are territorial and we don’t forgive cheating, make peace with that. I’m glad our legend remarried to Graca after.
What people dont understand is that his marriage was part of the so called "freedom" negotiation Mrs Winnie Mandela had suffered too much to allow the terms and conditions that we sadly agreed to and the Apartheid system knew the power and influence she possessed over her husand Mandela so tarnishing her name and made her look like a criminal was all part of the plan....Mrs Winnie was sacrificed together with Chris Hani, Steve Biko and more the couple had no chance 😢😢😢😢😢
Winnie is a human being.She was left too young not to need a man close to her.Mandela should have understood her and forgive.For this reason,l hated my hero Mandela.He let me down.
Sometimes we have to be reasonable... Honestly, how did we expected Winnie to survive for 27 years without real sex?😮... we need to be realistic... nobody can survive going against nature period!!
Ntlungu zobawo belwel’inguquko Ntlungu zonina belilela wena Int’oyaziyo kuzigqib’iindab’eGoli. Ntlungu zobawo befel’inguquko Ntlungu zonina belilela wena Int’oyaziyo kuzigqib’iindab’eGoli A song by Thandiswa Mazwayi...
As Kenyans we don't keya about what Winnie did or didn't do. She remains the solid foundation of the continent
@@queenwere1 true. Like everyone she was flawed
Only to you..not to some of us
@@Futhi.JohnsonMaybe because you are judgemental of women. What men do women can't do.
BULLSHIT
Fools will always be fools
If not the greatness and the great love and respect for Mandela around the world!! Winnie is a disgrace to life itself.a killer wicked abject minded person and opposite of what Mandela stood for.a theif.
I will never stop loving and respecting Winnie. She was tormented, harassed and isolated.But she fight back until her death.
Yeah true
Samantha wijekoon bhai na na...She doesn't have any fight until her death. She is a person who can not compare with a normal woman who sleeps with people like you. She is a queen who holds her dignity. She lives forever in the hearts of the people who know her value.
Had it been Winnie in jail for 27yrs, she would have found Mandela with a wife and children and he would have expected Winnie to understand. Actually he wouldn’t have been expected to explain or apologise for that bcoz it’s okay bcoz he is a man.
I cried a few times when I saw the way Winnie was treated by Mandela and his friends. I don’t however think they hated her. They talked ill of her. They were jealous of her. She was a very beautiful woman, very intelligent and loving. She spent her life fighting for her husband’s freedom and she loved him.
Those who were fighting Winnie and spreading hate for her will not leave this world without paying. Winnie was quiet and she never fought them back. She held her peace and left everything to GOD.
She knew the power of Exodus 14:14. The LORD shall fight for you, and you shall hold your peace.
I will always love Winnie and would like to emulate her❤️❤️
Was that even Mandela 😢
Mandela did a great thing by divorcing a woman who had cheated on him with a man almost 30 years younger than her and almost 50 years younger than Mandela himself.
Thats an assumption
that's all you know, deflection. no integrity.
Your opinion would make sense "if" he broke up with her Ben 10 once Mandela was free. But to continue doing it after Nelly was released & Adv Ben10 secret trip to New York with Nelly's wife is the worst betrayal ever.
How hypocritic people can be.
Winnie didn't sleep in a same bed with Mandela after he came out of prison.
She didn't stop sleeping with Dali after he came out of prison.
Would you be happy if your wife does that?
I also don't understand that part. Mandela knew about the relationship and told her not to go to the US with her lover but she went with him anyway. What is a man to do?
@@sscagents problem with people, if they love you, they'll create imaginary image about you trying to make you an angel and a victim.
True@@GeorgeKhoza-cf8yu
And yet she was still his wife. Hypocritical, isn't it?
@GeorgeKhoza-cf8yu well said bro. She did not stop to sleep with the Ben ten and she made him feel worthless. People who were closed 2him indicated that he was very sad when he came out of prison after seeing the affair that his wife had.
Winnie Mandela provided Nelson R.Mandela with crucial needed visibility to push SA causes and struggles in the global arena. The trajectory would have very different. Give credit to her significant contributions. Every individual has strengths and flaws, part of being human.
It was the UDF and the MDM - mass democratic movement) that brought apartheid to its knees... I know this for a fact.. Cos I was there! These things occurred around 1988 to 1992..then apartheid became illegal.. Winnie tried her best in the 70s and 80s, but she was not the cause for the white man ending apartheid, it was the UDM and MDM!!
my foot, you don't care she cheated her husband
Mandela put Winmie through a lot .Without Winnie, he would have never been who he was .Leave mama Winnie to rest in peace .
Amen!!
Yes, I agreed with you by women standards 👏
AMEN
Lies. Mandela was bound to be who he is. With or without...
@@kenbhengeza5038 Wrong. Mandela was the Julius Malema of his day, a hot headed rabble rouser, as evidenced by the fact that he's the one who drove the idea of forming, uMkhonto we Sizwe, the military armed wing of the ANC. Oliver Tambo had the hall marks of a statesman. Madiba? Not so much.
uMam Winnie was considered beauty queen material, not a revolutionary, but when Tata was captured and jailed (5 years turned into life imprisonment), she picked up his Kalashnikov and strode onto the battle field, with TWO children strapped to her back. Swathed in ANC colours, sometimes in combat fatigues, she kept the ANC alive with her political rhetoric. She was jailed, tortured (beaten and kept in solitary confinement for 491 days, denied a shower for 200 days, told to use her hands to stem her menses). Out of the 21 jailed with her, 3 committed suicide, 2 went mad. Upon release, she didn't capitulate, still SHE ROSE AGAIN. Beautiful, bold and defiant. By the 70s she gained prominence.
Finally, the Movement decided to make Nelson and Winnie love story central to the Struggle, and that is how Mandela was chosen to be The Face of the Struggle. Prior to this, he was but one of many, and a rabble rouser to boot; hot headed, impatient, prone to making rash statements. *uWinnie* is the one who ensured the Mandela name was seared in the consciences of men, in the consciousness of their minds.
That’s not the reason why they divorced, it was strictly political.Winnie remain a true revolutionary and a lot had changed when Madiba was released from prison.
Search for a book titled Katiza's Journey by Fred Bridgland. It's an account of Katiza Cebekhulu's experiences with Mandela united and his time living at mama Winnie's house, with other youngsters who sought refuge. Your perspective about many things may change.
HE WAS DEEPLY SORRY THAT SHE HAD STOMPY MURDER.😢 HE COULDN'T PROVE IT , BUT ALWAYS THOUGHT IT.
Infidelity is political 😂
@@mphorakabe8463 COMING FROM A NON BELIEVER IN GOD'S WORD.
It is the reason ask your elders they will tell you. Winnie was loose and had multiple lovers not just Mpofu
But forgave the people who put him in prison for 27 years!!!! Strange, what did he expect???She has got needs.
Come on now Mr Mandela!!!
Don't show the cow you gonna kill the rope
It was so painful because she suppose to be his most trusted
Do you know what it feels like to call your wife and her lover answers the phone after she has disrespected you and traveled with the same lover you told her not to?
Yes, Winnie was a great and invaluable freedom fighter and all her role in the struggle can never be overemphasized but there are things between a man and a woman that are just too sacred. She could have at least stopped the affair with Mpofu when Madiba was about to be released. She had all the time in the world to do that.
@@tonye.8023 yaaa, very true, the worst thing that can happen to a man is to have another man sleep with his wife. ( strange cases of strange man sleeping with other man's wife's, in their own homes and their own beds)
According to the Bible, it is the only reason a man can put away his wife.
God help us.
Zuma had and continues to love relationships yet he's celebrated
Nelson Rholihlahla Mandela wouldn't be an anti struggle hero without Mama Winnie 🇿🇦🇿🇦 South Africans know the truth
They were a tag team ❤ love each other unconditionally
What is that got to do with the divorce. If u were there un those times u would know that Winnie left Mandela first. Mandela initiated divorce cause in private there was no Winnie in his life she emerged for public appearance. Ask neighbours and journalists who camped outside their home and saw Winnie being dropped off by a car in the morning until Tata moved out. She was avoiding to answer questions about family money she had squandered with boyfriends. She said that herself in a letter to Dali.
@@ntokozohlatshwayo4805 💯 % correct!
Fact!!!!!!❤❤❤🎉🎉🎉🎉
Say no more, ugqibile🏌️
The people's advocate 😂😂😂
It was impossible to be without relationship for 27 years
@@Obitseng Not impossible, but very hard to do, especially when it looked like a hopeless scenario.
I don't think Mandela blamed her for stepping out of the marriage. He blamed her for how she responded to him once he was home.
Difficult not impossible
It's not impossible or difficult. You're just lustful
I agree it was but not with Dali 😱🙈
@@thandimasilela8947 Dali was one of many. Mama was a hoe🤣
What a hurtful thing to do a husband
Normal people don't wait even 5 years for a jailed spouse. If she did it she's just a normal person.
Mandela was not a saint.What about the pain that Winnie went through? May Winnie's soul Rest in Peace🙏
Mandela did not cause any pain for Winnie except that he was in jail but Dali Mpofu caused pain to both Mandela & Winnie hence he Dali always angry at the ANC for his own skeletons SA must say it out loud usile uyihlazo uDali
Mandela did nothing to Winnie
True Winnie went through a lot.
@@priscillarnjeri7874so did Stompie the boy she murdered.
What about Stompie the child she murdered?
No matter what, Mama Winnie sacrificed so much. She held the struggle on her husband’s behalf.
Madiba could not have done it without her.
I have to say she was a true warrior and Lioness.
No one is perfect, but she did the perfect thing by standing behind and beside her husband.
She is a human-being like any of us. Think of it, 27 years she kept the fight for freedom that all South Africans enjoy today.
Definitely something have to give.
I respect this woman.
Long may she be remembered for many years to come.
RIP Stompie
I don't care what nobody says. Winnie went through hell and back while her husband prioritised his country, instead of his family. Let her rest in peace.
💯 percent
So that gives you the authority to have affairs with small boys?
Sick.
BULLSHIT
@Leira6267 well somebody had to do it or we wouldn't have freedom...
Twist of facts. Untrue.Dali Mpofu was never the reason for their divorce, instead, his, that's Mandela's stance at negotiations was. She told him on his face that he sold the nation and his Comrades. Even at the jailhouse where Winnie visited, she asked, what about your Comrades. Please don't spread lies. Some of us were there. She also did not kidnap and kill, the apartheid informant Williams confessed that he was set up to be next to Winnie in order to tarnish her name and destroy her political career. Not in her grave PLEASE.
Mandela listened to his friends who advised him to divorce his wife. Winnie was against what mandela was advised to do
@@IamBarati no mama was a hoe.
yet she continued to humiliate him.
For crying out loud, she was having an affair even after he was released from prison.
@@tawanu Mandela also had affairs while married to his 1st wife for crying out loud.
Mandela was instructed by his handlers to divorce Winnie Mandela because she was very closed to the late Chris Hani who always refused to take orders from Nelson Mandela's handlers.
Winnie Mandela refused to be recruited for a fake freedom project in SA. Nelson Mandela was housed in a premises owned by Oppenheimer and Winnie Mandela refused to visit him in that house because she referred to it as a house of an enemy.
During Codesa negotiations Nelson Mandela compromised his own people when he failed to realize that political power would be useless without economic power and land being returned to the rightful owners.
Winnie Mandela and Chris Hani walked out of codesa meeting after they realized that Nelson Mandela sold out, Winnie told Nelson Mandela that they have sold black people who trusted them so much with their lives and she is not going to be part of this betrayal.
This is why Chris Hani was murdered and Nelson Mandela had to divorce his wife who refused to be converted into a traitor.
@@abrammathebe510 So Chris Hani was killed by a white man sent by ANC officials ? But Winnie must have shared some anomalies noticed in Mandela after those 27 purported years of incarceration ..Those who were very close can tell us what they know about the Nelson from Robben Island prison.I know that Winnie must have known for sure whether this was a real Mandela or fake M.Shade more light on this. It is only a new woman like Samora Mashel's widow who could not notice that difference in persona and body structure of the husband.....Was D.Mpofu sued for flirting with an elderly but beautiful married Winnie ? How old was D.M when he had a relationship with Winnie as this story tells us ?
Probably.
Disheartening state of affairs!
Facts ❤
Mandela is very useless
I respected Winnie so so much . She stood with Mandela for all those years . If it was not Winnie Mandela could have rotten in jail.
Ooh this story is so sad, a couple that loved eachother but did not have time to know each other😭sacrificed for our freedom. Choldren who never knew their father, their father and husband taken from them young and returned an old man they could not relate to😭😭😭this is too much.
We Love & Respect Mama Winnie Mandela. She is Our Queen, Our Warrior, Our Brave Freedom Fighter.
May She Rest in Power !!
❤🖤💚👍🏼
Whites can Go to Hell with their falsehoods about Winnie . We shall forever Love her . Luckily off Whites
I also chose not to forgive Winnie for killing Stompie. She went to the commission and refused to admit killing Stompie but was given full pardon by Bishop Tutu. The commission gave pardon to people who fully disclosed their crime or part in it. She never disclosed anything. Tutu just said, "just admit things went horribly wrong" and she said yes. That's it. She needed to go to jail for her great part in that youngsters death.
And the whites who killed blacks?
She didn't kill Stompi, apartheid government did. Were you able to listen to apartheid agent called Williams about Winnie project. Don't open something you're clueless about. Don't teach wrong history. Winnie was surrounded by Mandela football club which was formed by agent Williams. Which history have you hot. Don't feed South Africans rubbish lies
They are dead why do you raise this issue now. Please let them rest in peace and mind your business and your family
AMEN &
ABSOLUTELY !!
Can a dead person know what you are saying about them? how can that stop them from rest?
@@diphalepashe5361 i like the sound of that
But the viper is still alive, annoying some of us in courts.
History is about dead people and past events.
Couldn't not forgive his wife but forgave others.
He was in a relationship with someone else 😢
@@buyelwacarolgcadanantozo1972 So, Winnie's greatest mistake was she did not remarry soon after Madiba was out in prison.
@@buyelwacarolgcadanantozo1972I’m not sure we watched the same video 🤷🏾♂️.. or you didn’t bother to watch it before you write your opinion?.. or you omitted the parts where she was sleeping around and never shared her bed Mandela since he returned from jail ?
He was a hypocrite. After all that, she did for him😢
@@bukton10 Bottom line is that most likely Mandela was fake, the real Mandela had died so Winnie could have discovered the scam that this wasn't Mandela Nelson original...This life is full of imitation stuff
Nothing will make me from not loving and appreciate Winnie Mandela. I was child under when i watched the Apartheid documentary. She was a heroine. May her gentle soul continue to rest in perfect peace Amen 🙏 .
When I listened to Mandela's "infamous" speech from the dock, I wondered if he would or could ever find a woman to go through all that with him. Something had to give. That "something" was his marriage!!
Keep on dreaming. She did more wicked things than apartheid the latter her excuse to be mafia. Reason or excus
I was there, this man is desperate to make out of Winnie. She never had lovers. We were always around her as a mother. Stop lying. Make your money honourably not through lies. We're tired of you haters and cheaters. Our freedom is half achieved bcause of people like yourself
I meant money
The Word is clear
I respect Nelson Mandela for making a righteous separation.
Lesser of a greater evil.
No matter the details.... this was hard on both Winnie and Mandela. ... above all human beings I the public eye.❤ may they both RIP😢❤
@@ashkisten3111. Not on both, Mandela was a victim here.
Always support Winnie Mandela mama Africa ❤
She was only the Ironing girl 🥰😄💯💯
Good for you.
Its not easy to wait for a man for 27yrs
@tida3727 She didn't wake a week before she had the nearly guy that she fancied...Then continued for the ñext 27 years.😈😈🤣🤣💯
Not condoning what Winnie Mandela did to warrant the divorce.I respect both (especiall Nelson Mandela) for his relentless and undying fight his people's freedom...Rip Nelson Mandela,🙏 Steve Biko🙏 Lumumba🙏 Thomas Sankara🙏.Africa will never forget you.
This rumour were created intentionally to separate 2 powerful individuals, Mandela and Winnie were powerful
It's very sad today we sit and become both the JUDGE,the JURY and EXECUTIONER,yet in our AFRICAN CULTURE,Dali should have respected the sacred space Mama Winnie and Tata had,Dali really stooped so low to destroy uTata and uMama.
Wow , now I understand why Dali mpofu so angry about ANC
Dali Mpofu know everything this ANC living the life of Gibson Makhanda
Wow, now I see that you're such an uninformed black child. Ukulima kwe nqondo ukulimala kwe muntu ukulimala kwe muntu ukulimala kwe sizwe
Gibson Makhanda did not exist, leave fairytales at the door
TO ERR IS HUMAN , TO FORGIVE IS DIVINE.
WINNIE TRIED HER BEST AS A WOMAN.
Cloned mandela really he was able to forgive all his political enemies but couldn't forgive his own brothers who were fighting the same system which oppressed him why why why APLA cadres
Mandela slept alone in his bedroom while Winnie was having an affair with a younger man!!! What did you expect Mandela to do?? Chase after Winnie??? Mandela had dignity and maturity and I am happy he divorced Winnie…..
Because MAMA realised that it was not the man she married before 🤞 and she was 100%correct,viva MAMA WINNIE✊
In marriage we are told to just shut up! So what was funny in this case? Hay suka ndiyazithanda izinto zabantu abakhulu yhaz! Ni curious gqith!
Drsmofreunuotneverhappenedsad
@@JoelTloome Why you defend her after all the things she did including the gruesome death of a teenage boy Stompie? She could do better…
Respect to both of them and I remember on this day when Mandela was realised . We were all waiting patiently
So many things happen in a man and a woman relationship. It's nobody else business. Leave Nelson and Winnie rest in peace.
Who was holding a candle,I think the old man was coerced to abandon his more popular wife than the rest of the ANC leaders
I love you Winnie, you endured a lot... to err is human, to forgive is divine.
Rest in perfect peace MaNgutyana.
Did Mandela expect winnie to stay 27 years celibate? If it was the other way round, would Mandela have waited 27 years if winnie was locked up? Be realistic
Yeah neh
Come on! The issue isn't about being able to wait, but why continue the affair after your hubby has been released? That is the issue here. Don't jump into judgement B4 making a thorough consideration of the matter.
@@gabrielmshiu6719While you may be right in that aspect, you dont really appreciate how difficult it is to manage emotions. A man with whom you had enjoyed intimacy for a couple of years,you think it is easy to just cut off suddenly like that? And a much younger man than Mandela! Do you know how she must have struggled between the moral burden and the sensual emotions? It is not easy to connect up so romantically with Mandela at that age having been engaged in such amorous relationship. Let us reverse it and put Mandela in Winnies situation, do you think it would also be easy for Mandela to drop a lady he had been romantically engaged with suddenly as we are expecting Winnie to do? Tragic and painful as it ended, there was perhaps no other realistic way than a divorce.
AMEN
💯 percent
The lavish sitting room you showed isn't Winnie's house but Madiba's home in Qunu.
An old saying goes "let the bygones be bygones" But know they had to drag it out just because Adv Mpofu is successful on all grounds. He's just bring his best at court where judge hlophe appeared and has proven great against the racist DA and it's clearly racist lawyer. Now the want to win the case against judge hlophe through the back door, attacking the character of the advocate behind hlophe. We also know how they tried to destroy Winnie Mandela , a woman who had to survive 27 yrs without his husband who had was never there to perform his conjugal duties while she was harassed by a deliberate plan by the securities if the apartheid government. They had bug her calls and letters to really have something to blackmail her.
Winnie is my hero. She kept the name Mandela alive. She suffered under the Apartheid rule. Viva Winnie!!! Gone but not forgotten 😢
But he forgave the whole of South African whites but did not forgive just on person in his own family
That can be true. People must stop attributing lies to others just to get likes. 😢😢😢
relationships are very personal
Thats the real test of marriage - forgiving your spouse constantly. Easier to forgive others
@@witnessmirrael68 not after the whole world knowing about
Yes because she continued to humiliate Nelson Mandela by fucking Dali Mpofu long after his release from prison. That is an unforgivable transgression. He is a saint for not fixing Mpofu.
well, Winnie was right not to share her bed with a clone. She said he was not her husband
Suppose the clone had big dick?
Why did she share her estate?
@@musandasikhwivhiluShe was entitled to the Estate by dint of the marriage contracted.
No lies detected
@lekis5975 entitled to the estate of a clone?
I love Winnie Mandela and thank you for bringing her flaws out because in that she probably reflected and became a better person. Us women are so condemned when we err. We are stoned in public like Winnie was but know this that in your condemnation we reflect and ask for forgiveness but in the eyes of the world we are spat on and forever live like sinners but to God we become pure. To you men who sin and walk with your heads high, never taking note of your sins while pointing at others. The almighty remains displeased. Rest in peace our hero. You were smeared and i hope you asked to be forgiven and are resting in peace.
She kept his name public 27 yrs . She is a hero
So twisted. May Her spirit keep fighting for Africa. She remains the hero
The irony of this story is very sad, yet is this not what most of us do? We cast people so dear and true to us, choosing to keep the opposite as our closest friends and advisors, business associates, etc😢
Winnie saw that the new Mandela who came out of Prison was not circumcise, hence she refuse to sleep with him. When Winnie was determined to expose the truth she was Silenced with Stompi Sepei saga. This Mandela his real name is Gibson Makhanda from Zimbabwe
The truth we sweep under the kapet
Tell them. He was trained on what dance to do and how - madibajive- jokes
The truth will come out one day that was the fake Mandela because Winnie know the man she got married to
@@agnesmagagula1324 I completely agree with you
Mama Winnie, strength of a woman by definition
Mandela didn't deserve Winnie anyway. Weak
The anti-apartheid hero was Winnie. He was in jail, eating 3 meals a day, while she was fighting on the outside
Mandela had to divorce Winnie because she knew that he is not the true Mandela. This divorce was designed by the system
Agree
The Strongest African Woman ever!!!! The Revolutionary by the very meaning of the word....
Winnie Madikizela .....
This is very distasteful.....they are both unable to defend themselves.
""If you cannot forgive.""You cannot have no salvation.
It is no longer an issue, they " mutually" agreed on this.
He wasn't the Nelson Mandela whom Winnie was married to, her real husband lost his life in prison 😢🇿🇦
In fact is amazing for women to know her self about love, thanks
I knew them both very well. Winnie was a stalwart and suffered greatly under Apartheid. She must be honored and respected for all the good she did. Mandela did not do it alone. He was released into a vacuum. God rest them both in peace. RIP
Its natural for any spouse to be heart broken about infidelity regardless of circumstances.
Nelson was by all accounts one of the greatest men of his century. Winnie betrayed and wounded him deeply with her shameless promiscuity. Imagine finding yourself talking to the lover of your wife in her hotel room in a far away land. Imagine her shamelessness as she asked for her husband’s permission to take her lover with her on her trip. He said no but she still did it. She was a scarlet woman of the worst order.
This is the price of freedom. When a man is involved in a struggle of such magnitude as this, he becomes a like a sacrificial lamb. He ceases to exist for himself.
Everything about him is sacrificed in the altar of the struggle for others. His family, personal happiness etc. Ironically, those he is fighting for, becomes the devourers of his flesh and ribs.
Winnie herself is also victim. In my view, I think she was overwhelmed by the demons that scavenge the theatre of such treacherous conflicts. Unprepared and uncooked, her frame couldn’t sustain the rigors of the game and fame. The disaster was inevitable.
The man Mandela didn’t just lose himself and his freedom in the struggle. He lost his family also. Even when the chain was disbanded, his family was clearly never regained.
Oppression is pure evil!
Now I understand the full weight of Mandela’s statement at the end of apartheid when he said
“Never again”!
No man or nation should be made to go through such thing.
She undoubtedly run the marathon but terribly messed up towards the end much as we all will want to act like all is well.....
THIS IS A CLEAR PROOF THAT MEN NEVER FORGIVE CHEATING, THEY CAN ONLY PRETEND TO FORGIVE 😢😢😢😢, MANDELA FORGAVE HIS POLITICAL ENEMIES BUT COULDN'T FORGIVE WINNIE😢😢
True
Winnie Madikizela the true Icon, the brave woman, the princess of Africa. We don't care whatever they will say to tarnish her notable works. She was not a sellout and she remained herself.RIP Cde.
I am with Winnie Mandela. MY hero RIP🙏🙏
A conspiracy rooted in a mysterious fabrication, intrigue, and enigma.
How can a young lady stay for 27 years without any relation ship may be for ever😢Mandela was supposed to understand
Sorry, I disagree! It would have been better if she had divorced him and then do her thing.
Mandela died while still incarcerated in 1985, at the age of 67.
How do you know? Proof please.
You are talking rubbish. You are misinformed
Gibson Makanda
@@misterbaleize I guess that is partly why C. Hani was refusing to get instructions from handlers of a faked man...I think some top ANC Officials knew about that ,JZ possibly too.A world of scandals...We hear the man could not speak Khoxa language after release from prison ,true or false ?
Not Diepkloof Soweto but Orlando West was her place. 😂😂😂
Loneliest time for him than on the Island prison
Sad
This tells you that freedom is not always sweet 😢
She was beautiful ❤❤
What is the point of being beautiful outside and Ugly inside?
@@Thee740uMam Winnie was beautiful on the inside, she single handedly kept the movement alive when the leadership was banged up in Robben Island, and others had fled into exile.
@@lekis5975- Stompie! 🤔 Nothing beautiful there!
Beautiful,stylish and fearless soul.
How I loved her.ongenasono makagibisele amatye ke❤😅😢😊
@@lekis5975 The death of a teenage boy named Stompie tells us that she is cruel yet she was a mother herself. Why kill another woman’s child? I don’t understand that part…..
Let's day the liberation struggle against apartheid took a toll on both emotionally,maritally and politically.
Mama Winny we will always love you
Hope she asked God for forgiveness, because, only God forgives our wrongs completely.
A great woman in RSA history..
Maybe this is not the true Mandela but rather Gibson Makanda to fool millions of people as Winnie would be the 1st one to see and recognize that this man its not true Nelson Mandela.
What this Mandela did to SA is questionable considering the mandela that was inprisoned with Revonia trialists and then came to sell out black people
Mandela forgive Winnie, but chose not continue with her after finding out about Winnie's young lover who was keeping her happy while Mandela was in prison.
But seriously, did he think she would be celibate for 27 years? If it was vice versa he wouldn't even last a year.
clean thruth🎉
Can't believe that they slept separately after his release. Someone is lying.
He forgave the wicked apartheid regime but didn’t forgive his wife.
His wife continued to cheat publicly even after he was released
Two very different situations.
That is what I call hypocrisy,he even betrayed the African charter to empower blacks
Because his wife embarassed him and disrgarded their vows... Eh banna. Respect is more important to a man than love... If she understood that and did things discreetly then end it when the man came out... He might have forgiven her. Anti-feminist podcast tell yall everyday, infidelity is different between men and women... Once another man inserts their thing inside you, he will never see you the same way, its just that.
@@thandohlomuka7046 , a very basic life concept. A concept that the feminine species seem to have trouble understanding. Some "mentally strong' men will try and make an attempt at reconciliation, but it will never be the same. The hard core among us, basic neanderthal men, the mere thought of ever touching that person is nauseating.
Am not even writing about this article, but natural men and women interaction in general.
Just because your secret is not exposed does t make you a better man.
The same way as Hani was a threat to the ideal South Africa that was presented to Mandela by the white Capitalist,Winnie also was regarded the same .She had to be gotten rid of
You guys can't get enough of haunting Winnie, even in her grave. Mandela was going to remarry whether it was Winnie or any other woman
❤🦁 🔥 LONG-LIVE WINNIE MANDELA!! THE MOTHER OF SOUTH AFRIKA!! MAY HER NAME AND BUISNESS REST IN PARADISE!! WINNIE WAS THE SPEAR OF THE NATI0N!! UNITE AFRIKANS UNITE!! WE WILL ALWAYS LOVE AND RESPECT YOU!!!! 🦁 ❤🔥
They will never tippex her name from our heads and minds. Rest in peace Mother of the Nation. Leave this haters to rot in hell. He's broke, he wants to sustain his lifestyle by putting your name in the mud. Winnie suffered more than enough
As long as they tell us our history and stories, truth will be hard to come out.
We know why he divorced her. Samora Machel (Former President of Mozambique) said, "If you see the white men speaking good about me, know it that i betrayed my people"
Only the grace of God would have preserved their union given all the challenges. People struggled staying married without an inch of what they went through. May their souls continue to rest in power💪🏿💪🏿💪🏿
She continued to cheat even after the husband is out from jail .. Even the boyfriend picked his call after he's out from prison, that's the height of her disrespect to the husband.
Why are some people saying waiting 27 yrs is the problem here, maybe they didn't watch till the end or probably didn't understand what they watched.
Mandela go to prison is not the same as Mandela come out of prison.
He was physically and emotionally broken after all those years in prison.
rest in peace to the hero Winnie Madikizela
Winnie had so much more substance than Nelson
Men want to be forgiven when they cheat but don't want to forgive when they are cheated on
When you understand societal structure then you will understand why it's better for the man to forgive but walk away and I am not saying the woman should stay, if the reverse is the case.
Huh you thought a man would forgive a woman who was deliberately getting laid by a small boy even after he was out of prison. Rhaa. Us men are territorial and we don’t forgive cheating, make peace with that. I’m glad our legend remarried to Graca after.
What people dont understand is that his marriage was part of the so called "freedom" negotiation Mrs Winnie Mandela had suffered too much to allow the terms and conditions that we sadly agreed to and the Apartheid system knew the power and influence she possessed over her husand Mandela so tarnishing her name and made her look like a criminal was all part of the plan....Mrs Winnie was sacrificed together with Chris Hani, Steve Biko and more the couple had no chance 😢😢😢😢😢
Winnie is a human being.She was left too young not to need a man close to her.Mandela should have understood her and forgive.For this reason,l hated my hero Mandela.He let me down.
Regardless, Winnie Mandela was a brilliant leader in the Struggle for the freedom of the oppressed indigenous people of this great country.
Media platforms must be constructive.
Sometimes we have to be reasonable... Honestly, how did we expected Winnie to survive for 27 years without real sex?😮... we need to be realistic... nobody can survive going against nature period!!
Ntlungu zobawo belwel’inguquko
Ntlungu zonina belilela wena
Int’oyaziyo kuzigqib’iindab’eGoli.
Ntlungu zobawo befel’inguquko
Ntlungu zonina belilela wena
Int’oyaziyo kuzigqib’iindab’eGoli
A song by Thandiswa Mazwayi...
I couldn’t help realizing that she held her hand up then followed Mandela.
What did Winnie say in defense of her avoiding sharing a bed for two years with Mandela ?
Inner Mastery: In my study of Mandela and Winnie one was not greater than the other. In their actions I found nothing to be ashamed of in my heart.