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- Are Sojourn and Kiriko STILL OP? Season 2 End Patch | Overwatch 2
How did the Season 2 End Oatch affect Sojourn and Kiriko? Find out about the nerfs here!
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They "buffed" Sojourn in a way.
They made it so that, if I'm going for primary headshots, and the enemy Sojourn isn't, I'm missing out on railgun charge that they're gaining because I'm missing more shots over all.
I'm being punished for going for headshots with primary fire
lol imagine trying to exercise your skill.. go back to shooting fortify Orisa
I feel like they don't want to get rid of the core concept of sojourn, that's why they test around with those rather strange changes and honestly can't blame them (don't get me wrong playing against her feels awful) cause the concept of her is insanely cool
Edit: I just want a balanced sojourn god damn
I don't think that's what Blizzard is worried about. After all the completely dunked the core concept of doomfist and turned him into a discount Zarya punchbot. I believe there not nerfing her because she's the cover girl for OW2.
I do like this concept, and it look cool to do if you practices enough
@@ratinc.t3748 It's Nagoriyuki all over again.
@@Berd-Wasted. hehe POTEMKIN BASTA
@@ratinc.t3748 Well this is unfortunate.
*Spine gets Obliterated*
Sojourn still one shots and suzu is still pretty OP. Kiriko may not be doing as much healing but she's still doing a decent amount.
me: just use it for heal.......
it shouldnt be less than decent imo, nerfing her healing wont make her more balanced since its her ult and suzu not her healing that makes her so strong and they nerfed something on her that wasnt great anyway
the same goes for soj, they didnt balance/nerf the actual problem but only adjusted everything else trying to make her weaker which barely did, i really believe the devs want those 2 to stay like they are no matter how broken it is and do everything to avoid balancing them
@BornToHeal oh I know. They didn't make kiriko any worse for the reasons she's good.
@@CowKirbo well lets how the third season goes, but i guess its gonna be the last season for me if their balancing keeps taking so long for such small changes that barely do anything
@BornToHeal OW2 is mainly the PvE, not the PvP. Flats has mentioned that a bunch and while yes, content is a bit too slow but if it's for a good thing like PvE it's worth the wait.
sounds just like blizzard to nerf the supports healing, wouldn’t want any of that. 😶
Just make the railgun NOT crit anymore pls 😭
That’d be lit
I feel like it should be like Cassidy's bomb or Soldier's rockets, you use it to finish off your target instead of ine tapping someone who isn't even part of the fight
@@marcovangraan1066I mean cass and soldier do sometimes one tap enemies they weren’t aiming for
@@marcovangraan1066 might wanna change cass bomb statement i swear if railgun would get that much aim assist im gone💀
I feel like Sojourn's railgun charge rate is good now but should only get headshot damage during her ult. The ult works the same just now can do headshot damage.
Like how bastion doesn't get headshot damage in turret form.
And her charge rate outside of ult should be 3 or 2 not 5.
And just make her ult charge slower but make her charge rate during ult faster than it is is now.
Her ult should be more powerful than it is now but it's charge rate should be like 2x slower than now.
Ball during her ult like it’s rolling time
(Ball can’t be head shot while rolling around
Same with bastion and turret form i believe)
Removing the slow from her grenade I swear makes people sit in it longer because they don't know they're in it's radius
It’s pretty hard to tell sometimes tbh
With everything else in Kiriko's kit being as ridiculously powerful as it is, making her much less viable as the main healing support is an ok idea. It still doesn't justify the enormous power descrepency between her and every other support character in the game, but if it could actually force teams to choose between Kiriko, Mercy or Zen as the secondary support then that would be great for the game overall.
I almost always see 2 or more kirikos every deathmatch because she's OP.
Sojourn has been nerfed several times now and is still OP. Imo her railgun should only be able to use 50% of charge at a time so that the one-shot is basically gone and requires 2 shots on someone most of the time.
Ooo that's a good idea, I'd split it into 3 charges tho so you can quick triple tap somebody but then it's still survivable if you can react fast enough. Also make it have a .5 second delay between each railgun shot.
Okay guys fun fact just telling this for all new kirko players your suzu automatically restarts the regen process for any character so say if you're playing a orisa who's down half health you throw your suzu and it automatically starts re-gening from 50% and 1% each second
I'm not sure if I understood that correctly, but I think Kiriko's recovery time is only nerfed if you use all of them at the same time, not if you only use them partially.
No it's the same regardless recovery time is still 1 second if you use only one.
Ngl i forgot you could use less than all
@@Xelfist there's a setting for that, it's off by default though, so if you don't change it, you always throw all 10 at once
As a kiriko who actually heals this is actually really sad☹
Just nerf Sojourn to the ground. I rather face pre-nerf Roadhog than her.
I think Kiriko just needs some adjustments on Suzu and it should be fine.
Kiriko now feels like baptiste
Are we not going to talk about the beyblade that is Sojourn 💀💀💀💀
Idk, maybe it's just my casual mindset but I don't see how nerfing Kiriko's healing was necessary. I thought maybe they'd nerf Suzu or Swift Step again, not her ofuda.
It was more intended to nerf her heal boting playstyle and slow down her ult charging speed during the playstyle, as her ult is very strong.
It also gives her a more clear combo with full heal 2 kunai full heal, a bit like Baptiste.
@@thesilvanalyst6880 I guess. It just makes her more annoying to play as imo. Slower healing in a game where even most supports out damage most heals seems dumb. But maybe the more experienced players see something I don't.
@@BlueStar0788 Heals are never intended to fully counter damage, as that would make it a pain to play and kill anything (we saw what happens if damage is too weak in OW1 during goats, 3 tanks 3 supports, where teamfights in bronze ended up being literal minutes of teams using everything, but nothing dying).
I guess they hope to bring her more in line with other supports without taking away her strengths, so there is a clear distinction why you would take her over others and she isn't the default best option.
@@thesilvanalyst6880 I get what you're saying, but I don't completely agree.
It feels like the vast majority of people don't even play support yet have so much to say about how supports should play/be balanced. There's a big reason why support queue is so fast.
Blizzard never likes to admit that they are wrong, no one ever complained about Kiriko's healing, they are complaining about the Suzu
Blizzard can’t ever be wrong 👁👄👁
Well yea she's still strong, the nerf was about her charge rate lol and they wanted kiriko players to get more damage in instead of just being heal bots all game
How are they going to reduce the healing in a sopport character 🤦🏾
Shes op tho
Nice one blizzard 🥲
How the fuck do they look at the rate Soj is played and her win rate and think: “oh this is reasonable, in fact we should actually buff her instead but we will call it a nerf”
The intro 😂😂😂😂
Yeah they nerfed a part of kirikos kit that really wasn't too op while leaving the op alone
Still indirectly nerfed her strongest aspect, that being her ultimate. With her heals being nerfed she takes decently longer to build fox.
They need to nerd genji
@@BlueDragon1504 Was there no other way to nerf her ult without slowing her healing?
@@BlueStar0788 you nerf it too hard and there's no reason to play kiriko since her whole kit is cooldown management and accuracy
@@BlueStar0788 I guess they were hoping for two birds in one stone. It's at the same time a way to discourage playing her as a healbot as that's the most uninteresting way to play her.
Soj still needs to be tweaked but they need to stop touching kiriko she’s fine the way she is.
Suzu is still broken
@@frokoloo yes and that is the point, other supports should be buffed and not kiriko be nerfed 😊
@@kevinthiago413 That will lead to the same power creep they're trying to avoid.
You can't interact w/ the target being affected by Suzu. That's the frustrating part about it. At least Baptiste Lamp could be destroyed, or people could be moved OUT of the lamp.
@akaj2013
But suzu is a very short duration of invincibility compared to lamp. Lamp has a huge potential to last a long time with good placement.
@@kevinthiago413 you seem to be forgetting that the more cleanses there are in the game the less valuable some heroes become. If every team could cleanse (without Kiriko) Ana would be one of the worst supports in the game.
That 4.6% subscribed watcher percentage seems to not be going up :(
Lolol I’m not updating it to be fair 😅 It’s gone up a bit since but still single digits
At this point the only way for Kiriko not to be strong is just take Suzu away because this hero will get gutted for “balance” Sake
kiriko could always fit in 2 kunais after each healing bursts
Not without slowing her rate of healing
@@Dunmuir i thought i was misremembering but kiriko has always been able to weave 2 kunais between heals, but the timing was tight and the heal nerfs made it easier
SUZU is the problem Blizzard, not her healing capabilities. Sure it doesn't help that she is one of the faster healers compared to other supports but it's her ability to cancel LITERALLY everything in the game with one button thats the problem. shatter, anti, basically any burst ult, freeze, burn, sleep like wtf cant she do. And no other supports were given sufficient buffs to compete. Kiriko is a get out of jail free card, no thought required, just suzu from the back when your team needs it.
Honestly, I think suzu could be nerfed to be more narrow in application. I don't think it should work vs pin or traps, for example, and I don't see why it boops the enemies. I think adding another 1.5 seconds to her teleport cool down would be huge. Reducing the headshot to 2.5x (100) would mean that one headshot + 2 body shots wouldn't kill, but still reward the headshots.
What pisses me off is the sojourns who charge off of tanks aren’t even trying to kill the tanks they just look behind for the supports it’s so frustrating constantly fighting sojourn pockets w people who claim they can use junkrat and hanzo to counter her (they cannot )
İts insane how much they just refuse to back down on soujourn and "nerf" her in the most meaningless ways possible.
Nerf Genji
The problem with Kiriko is that she just does too much: typically, meta supports are determined by wether or not they enable other meta heros and how well they play with those other heros. Supports will also have strong upsides for heavy downsides. Ana has the ability to play from any range while having fantastic utility, but she has no movement making her easy to dive onto. Mercy has borderline busted mobility at the cost of being reliant as a pure enabler. Zenyatta has stupid good damage with oneshot potential but lacks in healing output.
Kiriko has arguably the best damage output, on par healing, effectively infinite range, horizontal mobility, vertical mobility, God teir utility, and undenyably the best ultimate in the game. She has no downsides to her kit and has no trade off, so why would your team not have a Kiriko since she fits the bill in every possible situation.
Play a game and you’ll find out, I actually really like kiriko she reminds me a lot of Ana when she was released
So Genji get's nerfed for being too skillful, but Sojurn still remains strong with her blaster?
Now I don't understand why people are just now tank rail gun targeting. Your movement makes you a threat to them not them to you. And don't waist a 100 charge rail gun on a squishy that is already low instead target the tank for charge then shoot squishy
I don’t understand the kiriko nerf at all. Her healing just feels slow now
make sojourn not be able to crit then your fixed
They made Kirko a DPS again 💀
Still waiting for why they are "op". Literally show people standing in the open, not pushing them.
Soon ill be the greatest roadhog in the world
Bro fix ur sojurn they tweaking in the beginning 😂😂😂
Yeah I’m taking it out of her pay check :/
hmm.. i wonder if kiriko is still the tightest woman in the game afterthis nerf or if its dva now
Kiriko already had shit healing why'd they nerf it?
And they nerfed ramattra and make him rlly weak
Just take away the fact that sojourn can headshot and she will be balanced, many may disagree but don't allow sojourn to charge her railgun from shields
Just change the rail gun to make it like a shock cannon instead. So it'll no longer one shot enemies, but it will do damage over time.
Or just no headshots
or just delete her from the game
@@idkwhattotype511 the same argument applied to hog, but there's the tried and tested method of nerf them till people stop complaining
@@tbnrrenagade9507 you mean the valve way of balancing
How did he calculate 18% ?
0.85 sec to 1 sec. so a 0.15 increase in wait time between. 0.15/0.85 = 0.176 = 18% with rounding 👀
But can sojourn charge 5 energy per shot against shield?
She charges 1 energy on shields but 5 energy on everything else
Problem with both these characters is their design and I don’t see it changing through reducing the power level alone. When comparing hit scan sojourn does it all. High constant damage, high burst, 1 shot potential, very safe with her slide, strong ult. Comparing kiriko how am I going to compete with the value of her cleanse and one of the best ults in the game as something like Baptiste, zen, even ana since Suju completely negates her? I think they can either nerf these characters so hard they simply don’t have the value to be used over their competition (which is also bad game balance and has the same issue just turned upside down) or they remain overpowered while constantly having their power level slightly turned down on a regular basis. Either way this sucks and the kits are too strong on a base level
Blizzard has a big problem with overkitting new characters, though a lot of the supports also are like this
lol isn’t support struggling so why nerf the best support
I already helped you out
Preciate it bro 👀
Still both S tier
yes
They fd up kiriko her healing is trash
Kiriko rework:
-Kunai now has traveling arc
-Her ofuda now travel only 30m, but heals 5 more per paper + revert delay nerf.
-Suzu is not aoe anymore instead its projectile like armor pack.
So basically make her garbage
@@shanebodden443 Nope she would have been stronger healer that charges ult really quickly. I just shifter her power from suzu to ult and healing. +5 per single paper is strong buff.
Devs already said why they want kirko suzu in the game. They wanna have different abilities and utility. They finally realized all the status affects they have in this game and finally gave a character that can cleanse them on a big ass cd. Idk why ppl still think it should be nerfed when many games have these type of characters for status effects cause status effects are pretty broke (anti heal, stun) If u disagree u have no idea how much they don't like stun or anti. Also cry abt it they said they have no plans to change the ability
I can’t take this anymore like seriously. They keep buffing her every 5 seconds
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Nerd
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Why don’t they just take away soujourns headshot damage and balance it’s damage a lil
More? Gut the move. Ppl that play her cuz they actually like her play style still will