There is absolutely no way y'all talking about this 3 days in a row? I'm a Steelers fan but good lord this is annoying. Now I understand how Cowboys fans feel about media coverage.
Fields haters always conveniently leave out how bad the Bears were during Fields first two seasons. We gave up 35 a game at one point smh. Then we get him DJ Moore and he looks great throwing to him. I love Caleb and I'm happy we got him but I still wish Justin success. Putting that W/L record on him is showing a lack of nuance and a refusal to move off your stubborn point.
All of the national media is stupid and don’t know how Pittsburgh operates. If Tomlin already said Wilson is the QB1 then he’s the QB1. Nothing is going to change that for week 1, period.
@@CKC298 I don't think you understand football. There are 53 players on a team while the QB is important he isn't the only one impacting winning. Russ had 29 TD on 15 games played. Dude had 4 4th QTR comebacks and could have had 3 more had things played out differently. The Steelers had 10 wins with Kenny, Mitchell and Mason none of them played as well as Russ. So simply adding Russ to a strong defense will improve the team. If Russell Wilson had last year's production on the Steelers ppl would not be calling him washed.
"I don't think Russ can make two-minute drives anymore, he hasn't shown it". Russ literally led the leage in 4th quarter comebacks with 4 last season. They say stuff like this but dont talk about Justin fields throwing games a way
@@TaiLePhan these justin fields fans trying to talk about Wilson being washed up, are dillusional. Fields is absolutely terrible. All the talent in the world, but can't manage a game to save his life.
Saying Russell Wilson hall of fame chance is riding on a preseason game is laughable, & TJ sounds like a hater lmao Super Bowl Second-team All-Pro 9× Pro Bowl NFL passer rating leader NFL passing touchdowns leader like come one
Steeler fan over here. TJ who is your mama was a solid number two. Not much of a yac guy. I believe if Palmer doesn’t go down that playoff game in 2005. Maybe…They were looking good honestly. they were up on Pittsburgh. I’m just glad Pitt won… i’m hopeful for Fields he has all the talent just needs to honed in on the quarterback trade … and seeing another quarterback, like Russell Wilson and competing every day, my do wonders ….
It was also Pete Carroll that extended those plays to help Doug Baldwin/Sidney Rice/Lockett/DK Metcalf/Jermaine Kearse flourish LOL. Those Seahawks receivers would not have flourished without the help of Russell Wilson. Doug Baldwin, Sidney Rice, Golden Tate, Jermaine Kearse would not have been as good with Matt Flynn.
Yeah because he has an offensive coordinator for that. Don’t act like Trubisky, Rudolph, or Pickett were going to be the guy. Pickett maybe, but he had no time to actually develop. Give the Steelers a top 10-12 QB and just watch
@@JohanLWill7_ it means you shouldn’t be shocked they say he isn’t a hall of famer because he was never a lock hunter to get in like Manning who even though he had a horrible final season still got in. Aaron Rodgers has had a rocky couple years and will still get in.
Right! They act as if Russell Wilson had Marshawn Lynch and the "Legion of Boom" playing like the 2000 Ravens and he was Trent Dilfer his whole Seahawks career. "The masses" have decided they don't like or in a lot of people's case hate him for whatever reason now he's not a Hall Of Fame quarterback. They act as if he shouldn't be in the NFL. Which is ridiculous. He actually played pretty good last season. If Wilson was they whole problem last season, why did they let go so many players from the Broncos offense from last year? Now a 26 td - 8 int 66.4 QB completion %, 3070 yard season in 15 games is an "awful" season that should end a quarterback's career. Only if the masses have decided they don't like you. There are a lot of quarterbacks starting that are a lot worse than that that people are hyped for to start this season.
We all agree that Payton did not want Russ in Denver last year; yet he had a good season. Why are we acting like Russ all of a sudden has no clue how to play football ? Pittsburgh will be fine.
It was not a good season. It was terrible empty stats, he missed wide open guys every week. He took way too many sacks. Also they dumbed down the offense for him
This is probably the best collection and panel this show has. Substantive conversation with stats from Dave while still bringing great experience with TJ and James.
My honest opinion, I want Justin to sit as long as possible to rebuild his confidence, learn the ins and outs of the offense. Then unleash him next year. Also I would like the OC to install some wide zone schemes and RPO’s. They also need to solidify he Oline and find a WR2 and 3. Center they may be good at (I also played college ball at WV). Tackles are questionable. As of right now they just need to be execute.
Fields is qb1 Now in pole Position Last week y’all blamed Justin vs a decent Houston defense He technically went 7/7 This week Russ looked worse against a worse defense & yall blame the oline Justin rushed 4 more than Russ passed 4 on less attempts Russ was always carried by a great defense & great running game Justin has never had either Remember when the Seahawks traded 4 jimmy graham & things went left 4 Russ Remember when Justin got Dj Moore & he set career highs that he’ll never sniff again The bears franchise is literally over 100 years old & they fielded the WORST defense they have ever had during his time there The bears led the league n dropped tds during Justin’s times there Russ had arguable the best defense of the century Justin had the least amount of 100 yard games from his running baQs during his time there Russ had lynch This ain’t close @ all & any1 saying different is a hater There’s a reason a 1/3 of the bears fans R still rooting 4 fields
Fields is certainly not in pole position. Fields had the opportunity to take the job from Russ and didn’t. Keep in mind Russ missed training camp with a calf injury and came back last week in raw/rusty form. Fields spent the entire camp with the starters and in two preseasons game did nothing. And you saying Russ did worst, he was playing agaisnt actual starters. Fields literally look like a mouse running every which way and missing wide open reads on the PA Boots. The fact that everyone in the facility as seen more of fields and still wanna go with Russ should speak volume on what they see in fields. And Arthur smith also mentioned not playing certain calls for Wilson nurse that injury so I wonder if tmrs play calling will be much better
bears fans has watched Justin throw 30 ints and fumble 38 times since they drafted him.. the only fans that like him are Ohio fans or just fans of the fact hes fast lol.. either way he is not a good Qb at the nfl level
@@PatriotWatchUSA Man you are on every Justin Fields thread. Aren't you a Bears fan? Don't you have something better to do? Go watch Hard Knocks and your sub-par coach Matt Eberfloose, the most losing coach in the NFL.
@@romanmendez9181and?... Doesn't dispute his point. Reid had been to multiple playoffs, championship games and a SB in Philadelphia and KC before Mahomes was ever in the league. Everyone forgets how Mahomes was a project coming from TTU. Reid hand picked him.
Agreed. But I'm worried: JF still has to prove he can read the field. Or maybe that he isn't scared of throwing the ball. There is something holding JF back that I can't pinpoint, but it's there.
Well nobody has to worry about that... because there is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO UNLOCK BUT ANOTHER CLONE OF RYAN LEAF, JAMARCUS RUSSEL , CADE MCKNOWN😂😂😂😂😂
@@jeanfourcadeFields can see it he just doesn’t trust it…when he over threw that receiver in Bills Preseason game…notice that when he loaded up that throw…the receiver started to break inside and then he stopped…. Watch the All 22, that pass would have been PERFECT.
Idk why it rubs me the wrong way when the comments be calling acho corny. Why? Cuz he’s articulate? Just say what you really wanna say because if you disagree w his takes that’s one thing but it’s rarely that, it’s usually his persona ppl always cracking jokes about, what would you prefer he act like?
I know many people are going to try and disprove this from Fields in one preseason game with the backups, but Steelers fans Fields can get you many games with 21 to 28 points on the board. Take a close look at his career, it is much better than Pickett. Do not let the trolls tell you he is the ONLY reason they lost in Chicago. Fields has multiple games with 3 to 4 TDs a game and still lost. What does that tell ya.
@@jamesfetcho6315 No it actually isnt. The Chicago Bears from the second they traded Roquan smith were the worst 14 week defensive PPG since 1970. It frusterates you that he is not as bad as you think.
I guess everyone forgot the Bears defense for 1.5 seasons gave up 30pts a game on average & the WRs literally dropped/fumbled 5 wins away in one season alone, but yeah it was all Fields fault
Congratulations…You beat the Bengals backup Qb twice…Browns backup Qb once…Struggled against the Ravens backups in week 18..And in the game with the Ravens staters they STILL struggled..but keep gloating those unimpressive wins
@@CvFromMiami weve swept the ravens like 3x in the past 4 years.. do your homework.. the same ravens who has the top 2 regular season win percentage since lamar has been the starter
@@CvFromMiamithank you for pointing that out. I’m a Steeler from the 70s Tomlin is not that good, think about this 16 years with A one of the best QBs in history and solid defense and one Super Bowl 🤷🏻♂️
Steelers fans need to understand this about Justin Fields, if he can make the Chicago Bears #1 rushing he definitely can make Pittsburgh #1, he is a weapon
Tomlin and Russ have the same career! Russ won the SB instantly with a HOF defense then lived off it with 'good' stats afterwards. Tomlin won the SB with a proven SB-winning QB and then just posted 'ok' non-losing records for the rest of his career.
Lol…Steelers rank 30th in Offense over the past five years..Fields is the worst 4th qtr qb in the league and Russ has regressed..But say whatever makes you feel better
This is my opinion. I feel like Tomlin wants to start Fields but he's making Russell and Fields play these preseason games to show y'all what he is seeing so he don't get backlash and scoop me for starting Fields over Russ. He's going to let the preseason games and analyst do their job to where everybody else sees what Russ doesn't have anymore in the tank.
@@getsomemoney2433facts, he's been that way for every position as well. Not just QB. I think it's for the best, Fields gets to develop, Pittsburgh hangs on to '25 fourth round pick, and they get to address some of the other glaring needs on offense (like play calling, IMO)
@@zackhurwitz9441 I disagree I feel like starting Russ is just a waste of everyone’s time. Fields doesn’t develop sitting on the bench. And we know Russ most likely isn’t taking you to the Super Bowl so why waste another year of prime TJ and Minkah.
You mean the Chicago Bears have. Winning and losing is never just on one player. There’s absolutely no game a football player can win or lose by himself.
This is the convincingly best session I've ever seen point-for-point about two people that just don't matter. The Steelers will be drafting a QB next year.
And anyone who watched Bears games with JF as starter could clearly see that more than half of those losses were not because of Fields..why do they insist on using that record as the justification for why JF is no good is beyond me
@@zeiddaas8038I'm rooting for the dude, and he has undeniable talent. But to act like 38 fumbles in 40 career games (among other turnovers, and often in critical moments like the 4th quarters of games) didn't contribute to that record in some way is crazy.
@@zeiddaas8038 Did you watch the Bear games? He was terrible Tyson was better QB. JF will never start in the NFL after this year. 31 teams spoke and said NO. Six took B within the first twelve picks when they could've had JF> Go get your shine box
Fun fact..Russell Wilson's last season in Denver was better than Aaron Rodgers's last year in Green Bay..but they speak on black quarterbacks like they always have to prove something and white quarterbacks are always given the benefit of the doubt..
@@PatriotWatchUSA only racists hate talking about racism or try to ignore it or act like it isn't occurring..your entire life is based off of racism just like everyone else's is rather you know it like it or not..and by the way you're not tired of being racist yet are ya..right
That’s a bad take Ocho Russell Wilson has 9 pro bowls and two Super Bowl appearances and one win. That’s definitely HOF material. He’s literally next to Aaron factual in some stats. Russell Wilson deserves more respect
Interesting conversation actually appreciate this more than anything else they have been talking about with the strelers qb battle. One thing i want to point out is the first two games with danver last year were CLOSE and that was with the defense being BAD. Broncos didnt figure out their defense until after the dolphin burger. The other is i love coach carol. But one thing i will always hold against the man was how he let the team implode. He had the team built around def vs offense. With two people playing both sides. And when it mattered the most he let the qb take the blame for the loss and let that franchise winning dynamic die.
The Steelers got both these guys on cheap one-year rentals for a reason. They’re not goin far no matter which guy takes all the snaps, they drafting a QB with an early pick regardless
Otcho has zero integrity. Just a minstrel doing anything for the network. I understand you’re dedicated to your career, but how can care so little about your character?
The Dilemma with those both QB is their ceiling isn’t that high. Only Mike Tomilin was able to combine both of their skills which is Justin fields Leg and running ability with Russle Wilson’s arm then he would be in good situation. Both lack the trait the other player is good at.
TJ is a certified hater, Russ is definitely gonna be in the HOF, one bad season can’t outdo 11 good season and one average season (last year). And he talking about the Seahawks, the last remaining LOB left in 2017. Post 2017- the Seahawks were in the playoffs every single year, he threw over 3700 each time and had 30+ touchdowns throughout that span. So don’t make it seem like Russ left because the LOB was stealing his shine or something because statistically, that’s incorrect. I think he should’ve stayed with the Seahawks, but I’m not gonna tell someone to stay where they don’t wanna stay. We don’t know what was going on behind closed doors between anybody. Sherman can go online and spew his personal vendetta and hatred all he wants.
Idk where the Acho hate coming from lol. He states facts and opinions always making sure the difference is clear, always gets his point across without being bias, doesn't show belligerent showmanship and always speaks with substance and sense, him & ryan clark the only ones that speak sports how its posed too be done.
The Steelers have handled this QB situation perfectly. Russ was always going to be the starter, but they manufactured that Fields is on his heels, making sure to keep Russell engaged and motivated. The Injury to Russ seems to be manufactured IMO so they could really give Fields reps and see if he's worth keeping him next year. Tomlin surely thinks he can make Fields a starter in 1-3 years, and if Russ can play as well as last year, with the Steelers D they will be a playoff team with a shot a winning the 1st game of the playoffs. Fields has major issues with his accuracy and decision making, but can they be fixed?
The more Acho fights to make it seem like Russ is the one to trust, the more I’m like “you’re right. I absolutely can’t trust Russ with my mortgage. Fields for starter.”
Its so funny how ppl think a Qb who was 40 touchdowns with 30 ints and 38 fumbles since being in the lg is supposed to be the starter for the Steelers over a qb who threw 26 TDs and 8 ints while not even playing the last 4 games of the season.. ppl who think Fields should start just because he can run is insane
This is what I would do. Study which downs Russel Wilson statistically does best, and have Fields fill in for 1st and second down, Wilson 3rd and 4th or vice versa ect. Use them like a 2 headed snake, don’t make them compete for the starting job, give them the confidence to succeed on the downs they are responsible for. I honestly think alot of these mediocre teams should start playing around with that idea!
Yall want to see Justin Fields so bad! If he couldn’t do those explosive plays in Chicago. What makes yall think he going to do those things with the Steelers.
Bears fan here laughing at the fact they said Pittsburgh has two QBs who can win you a game even if the defense doesnt play well. Its not like we watched JF lead us to a 14 game losing streak or anything.
Russ and Arod's last full season Arod 26 TDs 12 Ints 91 Rating Russ 26 TDs 8 Ints 98 Rating The guy with the lesser stats is 40 coming off an Achilles tear...... but is expected to win a Superbowl....the other guy shouldn't be in the league. Make it make sense.
Really this is ridiculous. This is way too early to be prejudging Russell Wilson on a couple of drives in the preseason game with the same level offense that we've had
This show keeps calling Russ a lock hof..has he ever been the top 3 at his position? Ever had the most yards, tds, passer rating? What has he done after the legion was broken up? Are we sure he's hof? I don't think he is
Wilson isn't good enough to start the entire season without getting benched. They should just rip off the Band-Aid and deal with the controversy now instead of having this conversation linger throughout the season. What Russell Wilson gives you as a starter is finger pointing, lots of sacks and a divided Locker room.
@@Christopher-tr1xu The Giants beat Brady not Eli 🤣. That great defense to be exact! Also what does that have to do with what I said? Russell Wilson’s STATS are better than Eli, and you just making my point more 🤣💪🏽
@@XxFURYxXwarriorrr I feel you dude but the NFL will recognize it as Eli beating Brady..I'm sure this isn't the first time your hearing that.....right? And no stats that Russ has trumps beating Brady twice in the superbowl
What are the “good parts” of it? You guys are talking as if he’s Stafford or something, who can make some careless or reckless plays, but he’s also putting a lot of points on the board. That’s not Fields. This whole offseason everyone has been saying that Caleb is walking into the best situation possible because of the Beats roster. The same basic roster that Justin couldn’t do anything with.
Justin Fields need to set back and learn from a Veteran, which he did not do in Chicago, he still has a lot to learn. Tomlin, stick with Russell, who has way more experience than Justin.🤔
I now right, Steeler from the 70s here, I hate when they bring up the Never had a losing season 😒 I say, 16 years with one of the best QBs in history!!! And a Solid defense all this years !!! One Super Bowl 🤷🏻♂️
Every time. Acho has to yell over everyone, Interrupt everyone, and just has to be right 😂 I can't watch NFL talkshows anymore. It's like a ghetto argument.
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Why? The whole network going down yall pathetic.. Lost Unc an fell off a cliff..
Titans will win Super Bowl 59 20-0 titanup 20-0 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@SpeakOnFS1 biased
Anybody else feel like Acho talk too much?
i think its his talent i actually like it that way but oh well
Way too much..uses too many words!!
Are you a new viewer LMAOOO
Thats kind of his job! 😂
It’s his ‘thing.’ He basically monologues between questions lol
There is absolutely no way y'all talking about this 3 days in a row? I'm a Steelers fan but good lord this is annoying. Now I understand how Cowboys fans feel about media coverage.
They only talk about steelers when it's something negative so that's why they keep talking
When the season starts the only times they’ll talk about us is when Russ plays Denver and if he gets benched
Agree - would like to hear more about other teams such as the Dolphins, Raiders and Texans.
@@terze2226 This 100%. Example: the year we went 11-0. They couldn't spend 3 mins a week on the Steelers....until they lost. Go back ,and look it up.
@jamesfetcho6315 I mean u kinda proved my point
No Shady means they can actually have a meaningful Fields convo without unnecessary hatred 😂
Facts lol
Fields haters always conveniently leave out how bad the Bears were during Fields first two seasons. We gave up 35 a game at one point smh. Then we get him DJ Moore and he looks great throwing to him. I love Caleb and I'm happy we got him but I still wish Justin success. Putting that W/L record on him is showing a lack of nuance and a refusal to move off your stubborn point.
But it’s fine to have unnecessary hatred bout russ
@@Ireggilar You are from Chicago. Toughen up. JF is a terrible QB. Let it go. Stop looking weak
He’s won 10 games in 3 years any hatred he gets is earned
I know Acho be watching his Speak highlights when he gets home
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You would too 😂
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All of the national media is stupid and don’t know how Pittsburgh operates. If Tomlin already said Wilson is the QB1 then he’s the QB1. Nothing is going to change that for week 1, period.
And we will once again see how bad Wilson has become once again. He is washed period nothing going to change that
@@waynesonneman7343 🤡
He said he's in pole position. They haven't named a QB1 for the season yet. Just a preseason starter.
@@CKC298 I don't think you understand football. There are 53 players on a team while the QB is important he isn't the only one impacting winning. Russ had 29 TD on 15 games played. Dude had 4 4th QTR comebacks and could have had 3 more had things played out differently. The Steelers had 10 wins with Kenny, Mitchell and Mason none of them played as well as Russ. So simply adding Russ to a strong defense will improve the team. If Russell Wilson had last year's production on the Steelers ppl would not be calling him washed.
@@Joel_AlemanFacts
"I don't think Russ can make two-minute drives anymore, he hasn't shown it". Russ literally led the leage in 4th quarter comebacks with 4 last season. They say stuff like this but dont talk about Justin fields throwing games a way
How they do again remind me???
@@TaiLePhan these justin fields fans trying to talk about Wilson being washed up, are dillusional. Fields is absolutely terrible. All the talent in the world, but can't manage a game to save his life.
Acho is the cornball brother Rob Parker was talking about back in first take.
how he a cornball yall so rude bro lol
@sonseed7541 Once the internet decides not to like someone it's like a disease 😂
Try to act like some super intellectual like he's been in academia his whole life... corny behind
@@Ireggilar
No for real with this comment!! I guess we all have to be a certain way no matter how we grew up 🤷🏾♂️
Parker can't be talking he more of a cornball then acho
Saying Russell Wilson hall of fame chance is riding on a preseason game is laughable, & TJ sounds like a hater lmao
Super Bowl
Second-team All-Pro
9× Pro Bowl
NFL passer rating leader
NFL passing touchdowns leader
like come one
well TJ was a Bengals
All a very long time ago. Why not give us Peyton mananing stats as well
Russ took a real nose dive and it's Nasty work
All his big chokes/going awol in big games (late dec and jan) really hurt him
Russell Wilson is going to the HALL, T.J. was a Mid level NFL receiver at best!
T.J. was better than mid..you probably weren't alive when he played.
You buggin. Him and ocho was a legit duo
wtf Tj career gotta do with Wilson and hall of fame?? You sound like a Russ fan who upset by hearing the truth
Once you said that TJ was made your football relevance and knowledge just went out the window
Steeler fan over here. TJ who is your mama was a solid number two. Not much of a yac guy. I believe if Palmer doesn’t go down that playoff game in 2005. Maybe…They were looking good honestly. they were up on Pittsburgh. I’m just glad Pitt won… i’m hopeful for Fields he has all the talent just needs to honed in on the quarterback trade … and seeing another quarterback, like Russell Wilson and competing every day, my do wonders ….
I guess it was Pete Carroll who threw the long passes that were called the prettiest deep ball in the league
The disrespect and lack of credit is unbelievable!
It was also Pete Carroll that extended those plays to help Doug Baldwin/Sidney Rice/Lockett/DK Metcalf/Jermaine Kearse flourish LOL. Those Seahawks receivers would not have flourished without the help of Russell Wilson. Doug Baldwin, Sidney Rice, Golden Tate, Jermaine Kearse would not have been as good with Matt Flynn.
Mike Tomlin will not take the blame for either QB. He hasn't taken the blame for the last 6 QBs
Yeah because he has an offensive coordinator for that.
Don’t act like Trubisky, Rudolph, or Pickett were going to be the guy. Pickett maybe, but he had no time to actually develop.
Give the Steelers a top 10-12 QB and just watch
@@mr5timewcwchampmy opinion also
@@mr5timewcwchampI agree, been saying this
So one bad season in the NFL takes you out the hall of fame god
One bad season? And he was never a for sure hall of famer like Manning, Brees or Brady
@@SundevilRoadrunner okay did I say he was them but he’s only had one bad season in his career
@@JohanLWill7_ it means you shouldn’t be shocked they say he isn’t a hall of famer because he was never a lock hunter to get in like Manning who even though he had a horrible final season still got in. Aaron Rodgers has had a rocky couple years and will still get in.
Right! They act as if Russell Wilson had Marshawn Lynch and the "Legion of Boom" playing like the 2000 Ravens and he was Trent Dilfer his whole Seahawks career. "The masses" have decided they don't like or in a lot of people's case hate him for whatever reason now he's not a Hall Of Fame quarterback. They act as if he shouldn't be in the NFL. Which is ridiculous. He actually played pretty good last season. If Wilson was they whole problem last season, why did they let go so many players from the Broncos offense from last year? Now a 26 td - 8 int 66.4 QB completion %, 3070 yard season in 15 games is an "awful" season that should end a quarterback's career. Only if the masses have decided they don't like you. There are a lot of quarterbacks starting that are a lot worse than that that people are hyped for to start this season.
One? Try 3 straight
We all agree that Payton did not want Russ in Denver last year; yet he had a good season. Why are we acting like Russ all of a sudden has no clue how to play football ? Pittsburgh will be fine.
It was not a good season. It was terrible empty stats, he missed wide open guys every week. He took way too many sacks. Also they dumbed down the offense for him
@@HighKey_Marsthey had a chance to make the playoffs and russ was benched
@@HighKey_Marsyeah but look at what Pitt had last year at QB
@@georgerojas1949not because of him, they won multiple games due to the defense not him
Facts, TAPE DONT LIE !
This is probably the best collection and panel this show has. Substantive conversation with stats from Dave while still bringing great experience with TJ and James.
Petition should be sent to FOX to replace Joy and idiot clueless Shady with these guys
When the OLine collapses its all over. Done. No QB can help.
Exactly
@@heirtothethrone000
We'll know in the first 10 minutes of the game if all of Omar's hard work is for nothing. Rooney might sell the team.
Thank youuuuu
You sayin they o line is trash?
@@Dreadeyeknight
Not at all.
My honest opinion, I want Justin to sit as long as possible to rebuild his confidence, learn the ins and outs of the offense. Then unleash him next year. Also I would like the OC to install some wide zone schemes and RPO’s. They also need to solidify he Oline and find a WR2 and 3. Center they may be good at (I also played college ball at WV). Tackles are questionable. As of right now they just need to be execute.
Same I think they should start Wilson
Skip Acho being Skip Acho
It’s the preseason … 2008 lions everybody . 2008 lions . 4-0 pre season , 0-16 regular season. Stop it .
Oh hush with that the lions starters looked like garbage in the pre season
Fields is qb1
Now in pole
Position
Last week y’all blamed Justin vs a decent Houston defense
He technically went 7/7
This week Russ looked worse against a worse defense & yall blame the oline
Justin rushed 4 more than Russ passed 4 on less attempts
Russ was always carried by a great defense & great running game
Justin has never had either
Remember when the Seahawks traded 4 jimmy graham & things went left 4 Russ
Remember when Justin got Dj Moore & he set career highs that he’ll never sniff again
The bears franchise is literally over 100 years old & they fielded the WORST defense they have ever had during his time there
The bears led the league n dropped tds during Justin’s times there
Russ had arguable the best defense of the century
Justin had the least amount of 100 yard games from his running baQs during his time there
Russ had lynch
This ain’t close @ all & any1 saying different is a hater
There’s a reason a 1/3 of the bears fans R still rooting 4 fields
Fields is certainly not in pole position.
Fields had the opportunity to take the job from Russ and didn’t. Keep in mind Russ missed training camp with a calf injury and came back last week in raw/rusty form.
Fields spent the entire camp with the starters and in two preseasons game did nothing. And you saying Russ did worst, he was playing agaisnt actual starters. Fields literally look like a mouse running every which way and missing wide open reads on the PA Boots. The fact that everyone in the facility as seen more of fields and still wanna go with Russ should speak volume on what they see in fields. And Arthur smith also mentioned not playing certain calls for Wilson nurse that injury so I wonder if tmrs play calling will be much better
JF is not a starting NFL QB . He terrible
bears fans has watched Justin throw 30 ints and fumble 38 times since they drafted him.. the only fans that like him are Ohio fans or just fans of the fact hes fast lol.. either way he is not a good Qb at the nfl level
@@PatriotWatchUSA Man you are on every Justin Fields thread. Aren't you a Bears fan? Don't you have something better to do? Go watch Hard Knocks and your sub-par coach Matt Eberfloose, the most losing coach in the NFL.
@@NPC8474 lol This made me laugh. Enjoy your last place finish this year. Don't you have something better to do?
Rus SHOULD play, he is with a new organization , new everything, you need the reps!
Mike Tomlin Is a hall of fame coach because of Big Ben
You can say that About Bellichick and Brady lol, Mahommes now and Reid .
@@romanmendez9181and?... Doesn't dispute his point. Reid had been to multiple playoffs, championship games and a SB in Philadelphia and KC before Mahomes was ever in the league. Everyone forgets how Mahomes was a project coming from TTU. Reid hand picked him.
Yup half of the plays never worked and Big Ben made it happen 🤷🏻♂️
I can't understand the fascination with the Steelers QB battle.
Me either. There is no battle they’re just creating one.
Because it would be shocking if Wilson a super bowl champion quarterback possible hall of fame loose to a QB with less accomplishments
Theres really nothing else to talk about
How about one of the many teams they never talk about? They literally have this same conversation everyday. 😆
It's the fascination with Ciara's husband, who the media is trying to paint as a bad character for some reason.
If Tomlin figures out how to unlock Fields....he is going to be doing a lot of bragging.
Agreed. But I'm worried: JF still has to prove he can read the field. Or maybe that he isn't scared of throwing the ball. There is something holding JF back that I can't pinpoint, but it's there.
Well nobody has to worry about that... because there is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO UNLOCK BUT ANOTHER CLONE OF RYAN LEAF, JAMARCUS RUSSEL , CADE MCKNOWN😂😂😂😂😂
@@jeanfourcadeFields can see it he just doesn’t trust it…when he over threw that receiver in Bills Preseason game…notice that when he loaded up that throw…the receiver started to break inside and then he stopped….
Watch the All 22, that pass would have been PERFECT.
@@jeanfourcadeit's interceptions
I would be bragging too
Acho is hyperbolic.
Idk why it rubs me the wrong way when the comments be calling acho corny. Why? Cuz he’s articulate? Just say what you really wanna say because if you disagree w his takes that’s one thing but it’s rarely that, it’s usually his persona ppl always cracking jokes about, what would you prefer he act like?
Preach. At least he's honest. And doesn't glaze all nfl players cause he was 1
I know many people are going to try and disprove this from Fields in one preseason game with the backups, but Steelers fans Fields can get you many games with 21 to 28 points on the board. Take a close look at his career, it is much better than Pickett. Do not let the trolls tell you he is the ONLY reason they lost in Chicago. Fields has multiple games with 3 to 4 TDs a game and still lost. What does that tell ya.
😂😂😂😂 hey let's leave out that many of those comebacks came because he turned the ball over.
Most of the time from receiver running wrong routes or dropping the ball
@@yuhbtw yeah ok. That's why he had 30 ints, and 34 fumbles in less than 3 years.
@@jamesfetcho6315 No it actually isnt. The Chicago Bears from the second they traded Roquan smith were the worst 14 week defensive PPG since 1970. It frusterates you that he is not as bad as you think.
@@jamesfetcho6315 Ain't fumbles losses so who cares. He has 41 TO's thats it average amount for a young QB.
I guess everyone forgot the Bears defense for 1.5 seasons gave up 30pts a game on average & the WRs literally dropped/fumbled 5 wins away in one season alone, but yeah it was all Fields fault
Yo short bread. JF is a terrible QB.
@PatriotWatchUSA, be honest fields was the only reason the boys was in games
@@chalmerscolognechronics9643 It was the opposite. Out back up had better winning percentage
@@chalmerscolognechronics9643 We glad hes gone. He terrible at QBing
Acho be yapping man
chill its his talent
Who would u have as another speaker... Joy?! She's Dull AF......
Ppl who can't express themselves, hate an Acho and I get it.
How would a preseason game determine if we would still view Russell Wilson as an HOF Qb bro out the gate just saying anything
They went 5-1 in the afc north last season but can’t compete with the afc north teams
Congratulations…You beat the Bengals backup Qb twice…Browns backup Qb once…Struggled against the Ravens backups in week 18..And in the game with the Ravens staters they STILL struggled..but keep gloating those unimpressive wins
No matter what the other 3 teams are 💩 also what matters is to win the superbowl!!!! 🤦🏽😂
@@CvFromMiami weve swept the ravens like 3x in the past 4 years.. do your homework.. the same ravens who has the top 2 regular season win percentage since lamar has been the starter
@@CvFromMiamithank you for pointing that out. I’m a Steeler from the 70s Tomlin is not that good, think about this 16 years with A one of the best QBs in history and solid defense and one Super Bowl 🤷🏻♂️
@@FuturesDoubleCup and where has that gotten the Steelers..no where..thats there biggest accomplishment over the last 7 years
Steelers fans need to understand this about Justin Fields, if he can make the Chicago Bears #1 rushing he definitely can make Pittsburgh #1, he is a weapon
Tomlin and Russ have the same career! Russ won the SB instantly with a HOF defense then lived off it with 'good' stats afterwards. Tomlin won the SB with a proven SB-winning QB and then just posted 'ok' non-losing records for the rest of his career.
Wilson always been hella overrated i agree
Hawks woulda won the sb that year with most of the qbs in the league
The Steelers has the best quarterback room in the NFL..it's the best problem a team can have..🤷🏾♂️
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NOT😂😂😂
lol They have the worst QB situation in their division with the 28th ranked offense.
Lol…Steelers rank 30th in Offense over the past five years..Fields is the worst 4th qtr qb in the league and Russ has regressed..But say whatever makes you feel better
This is my opinion. I feel like Tomlin wants to start Fields but he's making Russell and Fields play these preseason games to show y'all what he is seeing so he don't get backlash and scoop me for starting Fields over Russ. He's going to let the preseason games and analyst do their job to where everybody else sees what Russ doesn't have anymore in the tank.
No Tomlin goes by old school football tradition he’s gonna pretty much always go with the vet over the young guy.
@@getsomemoney2433facts, he's been that way for every position as well. Not just QB.
I think it's for the best, Fields gets to develop, Pittsburgh hangs on to '25 fourth round pick, and they get to address some of the other glaring needs on offense (like play calling, IMO)
@@zackhurwitz9441 I disagree I feel like starting Russ is just a waste of everyone’s time. Fields doesn’t develop sitting on the bench. And we know Russ most likely isn’t taking you to the Super Bowl so why waste another year of prime TJ and Minkah.
So mad Marcellous aint here no more . Acho is so annoying
Justin Fields has won 10 games in 3 years
That's awful but then again he was with chicago
You mean the Chicago Bears have. Winning and losing is never just on one player. There’s absolutely no game a football player can win or lose by himself.
@@VvVT734 Wrong.
@@JoshuaAvery-gp5dm and the Steelers have done what since Big Ben left?
Tj “HOUSH-MA-ZODE”😂😂 I think of that commercial every time I see dude
Steelers defense can be pretty overrated too. I've seen them get torched by opposing teams they shouldn't have problems with.
If Eli is doesn’t go into the Hall, neither should Russ
This is the convincingly best session I've ever seen point-for-point about two people that just don't matter. The Steelers will be drafting a QB next year.
This is stupid. Justin is 0-0 with the Steelers. This nonsense about 10-28 with the dismal Bears is the past.
Your Steeler look worse than the Bears have looked in the last five years.
And anyone who watched Bears games with JF as starter could clearly see that more than half of those losses were not because of Fields..why do they insist on using that record as the justification for why JF is no good is beyond me
@@zeiddaas8038 exactly.
@@zeiddaas8038I'm rooting for the dude, and he has undeniable talent.
But to act like 38 fumbles in 40 career games (among other turnovers, and often in critical moments like the 4th quarters of games) didn't contribute to that record in some way is crazy.
@@zeiddaas8038 Did you watch the Bear games? He was terrible Tyson was better QB. JF will never start in the NFL after this year. 31 teams spoke and said NO. Six took B within the first twelve picks when they could've had JF> Go get your shine box
This will not last for long either. JF or Russell Wilson will be traded or gone, but i dont trust the steelers, tho but Mike Tomlin will find a way
T.J. and James be bringing the Takes that makes you think
Fun fact..Russell Wilson's last season in Denver was better than Aaron Rodgers's last year in Green Bay..but they speak on black quarterbacks like they always have to prove something and white quarterbacks are always given the benefit of the doubt..
Rodgers is also 5 years older and never looked that pathetic at the age off 33 the age Wilson was going into Denver but hey nice try.
Love when folks play the race card. It's so tiring.
@@PatriotWatchUSA only racists hate talking about racism or try to ignore it or act like it isn't occurring..your entire life is based off of racism just like everyone else's is rather you know it like it or not..and by the way you're not tired of being racist yet are ya..right
That’s a bad take Ocho Russell Wilson has 9 pro bowls and two Super Bowl appearances and one win. That’s definitely HOF material. He’s literally next to Aaron factual in some stats. Russell Wilson deserves more respect
Interesting conversation actually appreciate this more than anything else they have been talking about with the strelers qb battle.
One thing i want to point out is the first two games with danver last year were CLOSE and that was with the defense being BAD. Broncos didnt figure out their defense until after the dolphin burger.
The other is i love coach carol. But one thing i will always hold against the man was how he let the team implode. He had the team built around def vs offense. With two people playing both sides. And when it mattered the most he let the qb take the blame for the loss and let that franchise winning dynamic die.
Two things can be true: A person can be a Hall Of Fame player AND be burned out at the end.
finally, some sense. Ageing out of the NFL should be applauded! Not, demonized!
The same exact thing happened to Matt Ryan. The difference is that Russ has a ring, and Ryan is known for 28-3.
With Acho, everyday something is the most important situation ever.
Sean Payton withOUT brees stinks & has continued to get a pass
Facts! They call him an offensive guru but all I saw last year was screens and more screens.
Where does it put him if he wins
ACHO😐.....EXACTLY
Acho gotta work on them analogies man or just talk less
Or just take him off the show altogether
Please keep this
Line up of staff. TJ and Dave are great
The Steelers got both these guys on cheap one-year rentals for a reason. They’re not goin far no matter which guy takes all the snaps, they drafting a QB with an early pick regardless
Otcho has zero integrity. Just a minstrel doing anything for the network. I understand you’re dedicated to your career, but how can care so little about your character?
Acho need to show the same energy when he talk about brock Purdy losing
The Dilemma with those both QB is their ceiling isn’t that high. Only Mike Tomilin was able to combine both of their skills which is Justin fields Leg and running ability with Russle Wilson’s arm then he would be in good situation. Both lack the trait the other player is good at.
Russ might be a great example of not knowing when to let go.
TJ is a certified hater, Russ is definitely gonna be in the HOF, one bad season can’t outdo 11 good season and one average season (last year). And he talking about the Seahawks, the last remaining LOB left in 2017. Post 2017- the Seahawks were in the playoffs every single year, he threw over 3700 each time and had 30+ touchdowns throughout that span. So don’t make it seem like Russ left because the LOB was stealing his shine or something because statistically, that’s incorrect. I think he should’ve stayed with the Seahawks, but I’m not gonna tell someone to stay where they don’t wanna stay. We don’t know what was going on behind closed doors between anybody. Sherman can go online and spew his personal vendetta and hatred all he wants.
Idk where the Acho hate coming from lol. He states facts and opinions always making sure the difference is clear, always gets his point across without being bias, doesn't show belligerent showmanship and always speaks with substance and sense, him & ryan clark the only ones that speak sports how its posed too be done.
The Steelers have handled this QB situation perfectly. Russ was always going to be the starter, but they manufactured that Fields is on his heels, making sure to keep Russell engaged and motivated. The Injury to Russ seems to be manufactured IMO so they could really give Fields reps and see if he's worth keeping him next year. Tomlin surely thinks he can make Fields a starter in 1-3 years, and if Russ can play as well as last year, with the Steelers D they will be a playoff team with a shot a winning the 1st game of the playoffs. Fields has major issues with his accuracy and decision making, but can they be fixed?
James literally said he trust Justin fields plus other things
Over Russell Wilson ( without saying the other things)
This dude is something else
The more Acho fights to make it seem like Russ is the one to trust, the more I’m like “you’re right. I absolutely can’t trust Russ with my mortgage. Fields for starter.”
TJ needa be on here full time. Love his takes , you can tell his IQ for the game is extremely high
They talked all offseason about how bad Fields is. He’s 2-0 as a starter now and I haven’t seen an episode about him since. Imagine that 🤔
Acho be smoking his takes I can listen to him breakdown anything
Its so funny how ppl think a Qb who was 40 touchdowns with 30 ints and 38 fumbles since being in the lg is supposed to be the starter for the Steelers over a qb who threw 26 TDs and 8 ints while not even playing the last 4 games of the season.. ppl who think Fields should start just because he can run is insane
This is what I would do. Study which downs Russel Wilson statistically does best, and have Fields fill in for 1st and second down, Wilson 3rd and 4th or vice versa ect. Use them like a 2 headed snake, don’t make them compete for the starting job, give them the confidence to succeed on the downs they are responsible for. I honestly think alot of these mediocre teams should start playing around with that idea!
The WORST Russell Wilson would have done in Chicago in the time Fields was 10-28 would have been 20-18.
Tomlin is stuck in his ways. The biggest thing holding the Steelers back is Tomlin.
Yall want to see Justin Fields so bad! If he couldn’t do those explosive plays in Chicago. What makes yall think he going to do those things with the Steelers.
He did make explosive plays in Chicago lmao with a worse team too
Why do yall hate JF so much?
😂 Have said it before and will say it again. Tomlin is the Barry Switzer of Pittsburgh.
Bears fan here laughing at the fact they said Pittsburgh has two QBs who can win you a game even if the defense doesnt play well. Its not like we watched JF lead us to a 14 game losing streak or anything.
Russ and Arod's last full season
Arod
26 TDs
12 Ints
91 Rating
Russ
26 TDs
8 Ints
98 Rating
The guy with the lesser stats is 40 coming off an Achilles tear...... but is expected to win a Superbowl....the other guy shouldn't be in the league. Make it make sense.
Acho being wayyyy too dramatic 😂
Really this is ridiculous. This is way too early to be prejudging Russell Wilson on a couple of drives in the preseason game with the same level offense that we've had
If russ didn't get hurt, nobody would be talking about Fields, and Wilson had 28-5 or 25-5 td/int ratio,so everyone needed to let the steelers be
Trust me, it's not Fields. it's the team wins and defense.
Russell should start while Justin builds confidence as soon as Russell mess up yank him to put fire under him
Steelers literally just need 2023 Russell Wilson.
If Wilson retired instead of leaving Seattle, he would be a first ballot HOF inductee, now he has to wait 10 years when eligible for the HOF
This show keeps calling Russ a lock hof..has he ever been the top 3 at his position? Ever had the most yards, tds, passer rating? What has he done after the legion was broken up? Are we sure he's hof? I don't think he is
He has been top 5 for a good 2-3 years in his career at worst can definitely make an argument for top 3 in that same span
I love TJ and he speaks the truth!!
Wilson isn't good enough to start the entire season without getting benched. They should just rip off the Band-Aid and deal with the controversy now instead of having this conversation linger throughout the season. What Russell Wilson gives you as a starter is finger pointing, lots of sacks and a divided Locker room.
That's trash how you can say someone's career can be affected if it goes wrong and it's status quo if it goes right
Fields has no vision and is the same quarterback he’s no good
They should make a trade for Tysons Bagent.. very underrated QB that can definitely fit in the offense
Wilson is definitely a HOF. You guys always say Eli is one and he ain’t even close to Russ. The disrespect is crazy
Eli beat Brady twice.
@@Christopher-tr1xu The Giants beat Brady not Eli 🤣. That great defense to be exact! Also what does that have to do with what I said? Russell Wilson’s STATS are better than Eli, and you just making my point more 🤣💪🏽
@@XxFURYxXwarriorrr I feel you dude but the NFL will recognize it as Eli beating Brady..I'm sure this isn't the first time your hearing that.....right? And no stats that Russ has trumps beating Brady twice in the superbowl
What are the “good parts” of it? You guys are talking as if he’s Stafford or something, who can make some careless or reckless plays, but he’s also putting a lot of points on the board. That’s not Fields. This whole offseason everyone has been saying that Caleb is walking into the best situation possible because of the Beats roster. The same basic roster that Justin couldn’t do anything with.
Fields has shown you way more times that hes capable of losing your team the game not winning it.
Acho is intelligent and a great host…. if he wasn’t so animated and didn’t speak enough, you guys would have something say either way
Russ had that shut down defense, 3 and out and he was back on the field . Any QB could cook with that
Justin Fields need to set back and learn from a Veteran, which he did not do in Chicago, he still has a lot to learn. Tomlin, stick with Russell, who has way more experience than Justin.🤔
Acho deciding whether or not Russ is a Hall of Famer off of a preseason game is insane. Get that man off of television for good.
Joy, Keyshawn, and Paul Pierce are supposedly the new cast on this show!
Bear fan here. At some point, ya'll have to realize that Justin Fields is not a starting NFL quarterback.
Why does Tomlin get so much credit??? The last play-off from the Steelers was in 2016, almost 9 years ago????.
I now right, Steeler from the 70s here, I hate when they bring up the Never had a losing season 😒 I say, 16 years with one of the best QBs in history!!! And a Solid defense all this years !!! One Super Bowl 🤷🏻♂️
Anybody surprised James jones’ coach didn’t trust he knew what he was doin?
Every time. Acho has to yell over everyone, Interrupt everyone, and just has to be right 😂 I can't watch NFL talkshows anymore. It's like a ghetto argument.
Ghetto and Acho doesn't align. He's articulate and can express himself intellectually.
Everyone on this panel gives better commentary and insight than Shady Mc.