All officials in all professional sports should be available for the press. (Yes CFB is now a professional sport.) There is too much money involved in all of these sports to have officials decide outcomes but not answer questions.
Never will understand how a BAD call on the field is then seen by Officials and NOT overturned. Thought Instant Replay was suppose to keep this from happening....yet it has continued even in the clear technology we have today.
Because some officials are paid or placed bets on these games that’s why . The problem has been around for years because of the bookies paying officials to meet their needs .
You are so full of it. Look at the age of high level officials. It's takes a long time to get good. Do you see any 19 year olds officiating major high level sports
Not hearing a whistle on the broadcast isn't a rule. The sideline ref stopped the play dead, so it's over. Doesn't matter if you hear the whistle or not.
Which is why I no longer watch ESPN college football commentary shows. It's all bought-off BS. The first casualty of war is truth. Same with commercialization.
@@nlgpro if progress was stopped then the ball is dead by rule. The whistle has nothing to do with it. The only circumstance where a whistle actually kills the play is if it’s inadvertent.
The official had no visual line on the ball. The ball was out prior to the official point to the ground to indicate that forward progress had been stopped.
@ he signals dead ball and goes to mark the spot. The fact that the signal comes a moment after the ball comes out is irrelevant. But you can go ahead and believe what you want.
@Motorfuzz absolutely, despite the junior varsity ESPN booth fillers, the whistle is clearly heard on replay and the near side official is marking forward progress. Selective editing of this highlight is also a tale tale sign.
After watching this 10 times that was definitely a fumble the quarterback should have just went down instead he tried to move the ball but it was not forward progress no whistle was blown
The side ref rules forward progress. You have to look closely at the bottom of the screen. He blew the play dead before the fumble. Maybe it was a premature end of the play, but it doesn't matter. Play is dead.
@@lookfeelbehealthy6320 nah he blows it as the guy is picked up off his feet, not reacting to the ball. It was a good call just a bad communication from SJ to Ref
@dustyhills8911 You may wanna get that audio spacial recognition issue checked out. Just trying to help. I'm telling you the whistle was right after the fumble. It's not debatable when we have audio evidence. It's as clear as day.
EVERY ball-carrier his a millisecond of lack of forward motion, then another step or something. That was a fumble. If every ball is considered "caugth" because it touches FLESH, then all passes are completed. Just because the ball skips away, they call those incomplete? IT TOUCHED FLESH. It's always a catch, then a fumble, etc.
You can clearly see the Line Judge blows his whistle and has ruled the play dead, whether the whistle is audible or not. Watch the referee at the bottom of the screen with the L on his back.
You can clearly see him lackadaisically raise an arm to signal where to mark the ball, then barely blows a whistle after it's been recovered. The back judge was even throwing his beanbag to mark where the fumble was. Perhaps he should start wearing that L outside of the stadium too.
what's the controversy, the first guy is pulling him backwards before the second guy knocks the ball out... that's the definition of forward progress stopped... I invite anyone who thinks this play isn't clear & obvious to open a football rule book for the first time in your life
He's not being pulled backwards, if anything the first defender is falling off of him and only held on because the QB stopped himself to brace for the impact of the second defender. If you think this is enough to be considered forward progress, then just go ahead and make them play two hand touch.
Even with a little hearing damage from being a drummer and I can still hear that whistle at 1:20-1:21 blown several times. It was just a miscommunication between the side judge and the Referee. Looks bad but they got the call right
If the booth commentators can clearly see that the ball was still live and came out before the runner was down, why on earth isn't that reviewed and the referee told "you're wrong"?
The only thing the commentators saw is that he wasn't down before the ball came out. HOWEVER, his forward progress was clearly stopped so the ref was RIGHT. The announcers were too busy being outraged to see that forward progress was clearly stopped.
@@CygnusVoyager You can clearly see the side judge marking him down. THey didn't change anything after the fact. It was a simple miscommunication between the side judge and head referee.
A whistle doesn't kill the play. A play kills the play. You can see the flank putting his hand up at 1:22, which means the play is over. Maybe he needs a louder whistle. Forward progress was stopped. The referee just didn't sell the call. Example: a player catches a ball inbounds, lands on knees, no whistle is blown. Can a player get hit or get up and run? No, because the play is over.
The whistle kills the play. The ball has to be blown dead aka blow of the whistle. You can read any rulebook in football from high school to pros. An official raising his hand means nothing until the whistle is blown. That's why they are being taught to not blow the whistle if there is potential the player may not have been down. If a runner's forward motion is stopped and the officials don't blow the whistle within the rules of football he can still run for the score since the play was never officially over.
We also see this when plays are blown dead and the runner is still inbounds with forward progress and the whistle is blown prematurely. Once the whistle is blown the play is over. That's also why the replay system can't reverse every call.
They need to have some sort of master control room where these games are watched by an independent referee who can buzz down to the officiating crew and correct such an obvious error regardless of time on the clock . This is so simple regardless of the cost just do it for all bowl games. If the whistle isn’t blown then it can’t be forward progress stopped teams are taught play through the whistle.
The whistle does not kill the play in any level of football. The RULES dictate when a play is over. By rule, a pass is incomplete and the play is over when the pass hits the ground uncaught. By rule, the run is over whenever a runner has any part of the body other than a hand or foot hit the ground in college football. By rule, a play is over the moment a ball carrier steps out of bounds or a live ball hits the ground out of bounds. The whistle is to let the players, not the fans, and certainly not the talking heads in the booth, know that a play is over by RULE. If anyone cares to watch carefully, you can see the line judge sidestep to where he has forward progress and raise his hand. This tells every official on the field that he has forward progress. In this instance, he would not necessarily blow his whistle in case the runner broke loose or the ball came loose almost immediately, as it did. One of the things every football official dreads is blowing his whistle too early. If he blows it too early, it becomes very hard to put the genie back in the bottle. As a former football official, I can tell everyone how hard it can be to unsnarl the mess caused by an early whistle.
This play reminds me of the 2013 Outback bowl. Jaeveon Clowney's "the hit" occurred shortly after a turnover that should have been awarded but wasn't due to an obvious officiating error. Ball don’t lie!
Yeah, didn't hear a whistle.. but both officials in the area signaled play over an down... and neither ran with the play... and a forward momentum.. not reviewable...
Obviously the correct team won that game. It is horrible that an officiating crew gets away with the things they do to try and sway games based on bribes from schools or alumni. This officiating crew needs to be sent down to DIII for a season, then DII for another season. I’m very disappointed there wasn’t at least a long huddle by all the officials. That tells me they were all in on it because an honest ref would have been yelling BS.
@@chriskay1449what second was the whistle blown? You run the audio through tone search and it never occurred based on previous video whistles. You play through the whistle. You proved my point that the officials were corrupt. Thanks bro! You should realize that cocaine is a dangerous drug and get some help.......
Glad East Carolina won at the end. Screw the refs. They have literally ruined the game of football for me. I'm so happy to see that EC still came out at top. BALL DON'T LIE!!!
There was another video with a fight that broke out. I stand what is said to the video. After watching this play that. The referee’s blew. I can see the players getting heated.
2:16 Sideline referee runs out hand in the air forward progress stopped Is the whole world so dramatic If you don't like what you hear cry like babies!
I’ve been posting everywhere that pro and college sports are fixed. Those that believe they are pure competition are fools. Oh, when you try to post video evidence, folks block you. Well, let those fools stay uninformed.
The announcers are inept. They showed no replays beyond the first one and yet claimed forward progress wasn't stopped. Additional replays would have pointed out the side judge blowing the play dead and forward progress was stopped
Thanks for the comment. I've only seen this clip here. During my first watch I thought that the play was dead because of forward progress. During the replay I could swear I heard a whistle underneath the crowd noise.
Head official should be fired. There was no call made to end the play. He actually made what call he wanted to and no one had the power to overturn it. And he knew that fact while he did it. Beta.
At 1:21, watch the L in the bottom left of the screen raise his arm, indicating the play is over and he has the spot. That killed the play, not a whistle.
CFB should force officials to have press conferences, especially after controversies.
All officials in all professional sports should be available for the press. (Yes CFB is now a professional sport.) There is too much money involved in all of these sports to have officials decide outcomes but not answer questions.
And have their home addresses become publicly listed.
That ain't going to happen. Just like congress voting for term limits. That ain't going to happen either.
You have a better chance of winning powerball 3X in a row than that happening at any level/sport.
Justice was served with that TD
I know that running backs brother and his family and they are all talented
Don't take driving lessons with that official.
The sideline ref was the one who blew it.
Never will understand how a BAD call on the field is then seen by Officials and NOT overturned. Thought Instant Replay was suppose to keep this from happening....yet it has continued even in the clear technology we have today.
Because some officials are paid or placed bets on these games that’s why . The problem has been around for years because of the bookies paying officials to meet their needs .
Being down is reviewable, forward motion isn't. And it has to be said that forward motion calls are inherently subjective anyway.
Fired footlocker employees
Trying their hand on the grid iron.
You are so full of it. Look at the age of high level officials. It's takes a long time to get good. Do you see any 19 year olds officiating major high level sports
@@umpireva5440yeah well even with years of experience they still almost cost a school a win
Fumble + No Whistle = TD ECU
Not hearing a whistle on the broadcast isn't a rule. The sideline ref stopped the play dead, so it's over. Doesn't matter if you hear the whistle or not.
1:20 DEFINITELY whistle blown… bad ears can’t hear over the lady screaming, but definitely was blown dead 😂😂😂
That is not a rule. Refs got it correct. Forward progress was clearly stopped.
IDGAF dogpack take L
@@chriskay1449 That is the rule actually, sorry about your ignorance.
Fortunately, for ECU, they still won the game. If the "no fumble" call was the difference in the outcome, it would have been an absolute travesty.
Pirates got it done in spite of the bad call on the scoop and score. Love how the team is responding to the new coach.
3:25 I'm surprised the ref didn't make up some foul or misconduct on that TD haha
I thought they were going to call targeting on the initial hit.
Loudmouth Pundits, ESPN, and Officials are ruining College Football. People pay good money to go to these games we deserve better.
Which is why I no longer watch ESPN college football commentary shows. It's all bought-off BS. The first casualty of war is truth. Same with commercialization.
Officiating has become truly pathetic in the last two years. That was a fumble, and a scoop and score. There's no doubt about it!
All major sports have become blatantly corrupt. We live in a new gilded age. Reeks up corruption everywhere you look.
Sideline ref blew it dead. He clearly marks it.
Should be a fumble all day that’s bull
@@Paulafan5yet the ref threw the bag for a turnover.
Last 2 years? It's been for over a decade
The worst call though was in the Pitt and UVA game I was so mad at this game insane booing and bottle throwing
ECU showed us how to not let officials determine the outcome of a game. 😀
The refs are correct in that his progress was stopped but since they didn’t blow the whistle this was a fumble followed by a TD. Terrible call.
@@nlgpro if progress was stopped then the ball is dead by rule. The whistle has nothing to do with it. The only circumstance where a whistle actually kills the play is if it’s inadvertent.
The official had no visual line on the ball. The ball was out prior to the official point to the ground to indicate that forward progress had been stopped.
@ he signals dead ball and goes to mark the spot. The fact that the signal comes a moment after the ball comes out is irrelevant. But you can go ahead and believe what you want.
@Motorfuzz absolutely, despite the junior varsity ESPN booth fillers, the whistle is clearly heard on replay and the near side official is marking forward progress. Selective editing of this highlight is also a tale tale sign.
@@Motorfuzz The whistle is there for a reason. It's in the rules that they have to use their whistles.
The real question is why was there a guy wearing ducks gear in the stands at that game 😂😂😂
There are fans of other teams not participating in the game in front of them at nearly every game
He got lost and flew East for the winter. 😆 🦆
Officiating has been just plan ridiculous lately !
Fumble
That was a fumble. But my Pirates came back and won anyway! Way to go Harris!!
After watching this 10 times that was definitely a fumble the quarterback should have just went down instead he tried to move the ball but it was not forward progress no whistle was blown
The QB probably heard the whistle from the sideline ref who clearly marks forward progress and let up.
Sideline ref blew it dead. Forward progress stopped. Correct call.
@@Paulafan5 He let up in mid air?
@@chriskay1449 Nope, nope, and nope.
The side ref rules forward progress. You have to look closely at the bottom of the screen. He blew the play dead before the fumble. Maybe it was a premature end of the play, but it doesn't matter. Play is dead.
The whistle came right after the fumble, not before.
The ball was moving, and was already out before the whistle. Clearly the ball was in his possession when the side ref tried to call it back.
No way you’re trying to defend that call😂🤡
@@lookfeelbehealthy6320 nah he blows it as the guy is picked up off his feet, not reacting to the ball. It was a good call just a bad communication from SJ to Ref
@dustyhills8911 You may wanna get that audio spacial recognition issue checked out. Just trying to help. I'm telling you the whistle was right after the fumble. It's not debatable when we have audio evidence. It's as clear as day.
EVERY ball-carrier his a millisecond of lack of forward motion, then another step or something. That was a fumble. If every ball is considered "caugth" because it touches FLESH, then all passes are completed. Just because the ball skips away, they call those incomplete? IT TOUCHED FLESH. It's always a catch, then a fumble, etc.
I am SOOO GLAD ECU won this. Too bad more offiicials weren't answered the game's ending nonsense for THEIR game nonsense.
You can clearly see the Line Judge blows his whistle and has ruled the play dead, whether the whistle is audible or not. Watch the referee at the bottom of the screen with the L on his back.
You can clearly see him lackadaisically raise an arm to signal where to mark the ball, then barely blows a whistle after it's been recovered. The back judge was even throwing his beanbag to mark where the fumble was. Perhaps he should start wearing that L outside of the stadium too.
A certain Pirate RB just added to his draft stock🎯
what's the controversy, the first guy is pulling him backwards before the second guy knocks the ball out... that's the definition of forward progress stopped... I invite anyone who thinks this play isn't clear & obvious to open a football rule book for the first time in your life
He's not being pulled backwards, if anything the first defender is falling off of him and only held on because the QB stopped himself to brace for the impact of the second defender. If you think this is enough to be considered forward progress, then just go ahead and make them play two hand touch.
1:18 whistle and side judge Marks spot. Bottom of screen... 1:21
Ain't no whistle at 1:18.
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Whistle my a$$.
Even with a little hearing damage from being a drummer and I can still hear that whistle at 1:20-1:21 blown several times. It was just a miscommunication between the side judge and the Referee. Looks bad but they got the call right
It was a fumble and anything else is a bad call.
At least the right team won in the end!
Refs only need to make calls on a few key plays to change a game... check their off shore accounts.
Poetic justice! What a TERRIBLE call!!
The blatant cheating by referees at all levels of all sports is ridiculous and at an epidemic level.
I’m seeing it as far down as 10u Softball leagues. It’s beyond ridiculous.
If the booth commentators can clearly see that the ball was still live and came out before the runner was down, why on earth isn't that reviewed and the referee told "you're wrong"?
The only thing the commentators saw is that he wasn't down before the ball came out. HOWEVER, his forward progress was clearly stopped so the ref was RIGHT. The announcers were too busy being outraged to see that forward progress was clearly stopped.
@@chriskay1449they never blew a whistle and changed it after the fact
@@CygnusVoyager You can clearly see the side judge marking him down. THey didn't change anything after the fact. It was a simple miscommunication between the side judge and head referee.
@@chriskay1449they blew the play dead while the ball was out of his hands
@@chrisbranch2526 Wrong. Side Judge was already signaling down before it came out and he was stopped for a good 2 seconds. Try again.
Refs should be fined just like the players and coaches in the nfl.
A whistle doesn't kill the play. A play kills the play.
You can see the flank putting his hand up at 1:22, which means the play is over. Maybe he needs a louder whistle. Forward progress was stopped. The referee just didn't sell the call.
Example: a player catches a ball inbounds, lands on knees, no whistle is blown. Can a player get hit or get up and run? No, because the play is over.
This should be pinned
Officials stop the play. He should try blowing the whistle next time instead of silently signaling.
@@bjchit you can literally hear the whistle lmao 1:20
The whistle kills the play. The ball has to be blown dead aka blow of the whistle. You can read any rulebook in football from high school to pros. An official raising his hand means nothing until the whistle is blown.
That's why they are being taught to not blow the whistle if there is potential the player may not have been down. If a runner's forward motion is stopped and the officials don't blow the whistle within the rules of football he can still run for the score since the play was never officially over.
We also see this when plays are blown dead and the runner is still inbounds with forward progress and the whistle is blown prematurely. Once the whistle is blown the play is over. That's also why the replay system can't reverse every call.
Way to keep changing the call to fit the outcome you wanted. Luckily the right team still won but Wow!
Anyone surprised the officiating crew is trash?
They need to have some sort of master control room where these games are watched by an independent referee who can buzz down to the officiating crew and correct such an obvious error regardless of time on the clock . This is so simple regardless of the cost just do it for all bowl games. If the whistle isn’t blown then it can’t be forward progress stopped teams are taught play through the whistle.
The whistle does not kill the play in any level of football. The RULES dictate when a play is over. By rule, a pass is incomplete and the play is over when the pass hits the ground uncaught. By rule, the run is over whenever a runner has any part of the body other than a hand or foot hit the ground in college football. By rule, a play is over the moment a ball carrier steps out of bounds or a live ball hits the ground out of bounds. The whistle is to let the players, not the fans, and certainly not the talking heads in the booth, know that a play is over by RULE. If anyone cares to watch carefully, you can see the line judge sidestep to where he has forward progress and raise his hand. This tells every official on the field that he has forward progress. In this instance, he would not necessarily blow his whistle in case the runner broke loose or the ball came loose almost immediately, as it did. One of the things every football official dreads is blowing his whistle too early. If he blows it too early, it becomes very hard to put the genie back in the bottle. As a former football official, I can tell everyone how hard it can be to unsnarl the mess caused by an early whistle.
There is a whistle but not until after the ball came out. All said it would have been reviewed and called forward progress had been stopped!
2:50 LOL #24!
It's good to see that Angel Hernandez was able to get employment after leaving baseball.
ahh the wing official did not mark the forward progress and blow his whistle... a very bad BS call.... Terrible officiating.
Yes, he did. He put his hand up which indicates the dead ball spot. Watch again.
@TruthDefined4life study up on officiating mechanics and figure out why what you said is so ignorant
@sunspots6077 Explain it to me please. Help me be better.
I heard the whistle but....
Rahjai's td was called "WANT TO"!
3:17 shout out to #6 who got in to ensure the TD scored.
That official must have money on this game
100% definitely multiple whistles going off.
I’m not at the game and I heard the whistle.
forward progress was stop and a discussion 2:16 Referee runs out with his fist in the air
Ok, we'll just score like this instead. 🤣
#47 :
WE WILL NOT BE DENIED OF A SCORE !!!😮
This play reminds me of the 2013 Outback bowl.
Jaeveon Clowney's "the hit" occurred shortly after a turnover that should have been awarded but wasn't due to an obvious officiating error.
Ball don’t lie!
Looks like ball came out before he hit the ground.
Now that sports betting is becoming legal in more states officials have to be held to a higher standard.
Just think. Josh Allen wouldn't have made a reception catch from Amari Cooper if forward progress was stopped prematurely.
Forward progress would be if his actual tackle threw him behind that progress
This was close. Anyone saying that it's definitely one way or another is not being objective.
Yeah, didn't hear a whistle.. but both officials in the area signaled play over an down... and neither ran with the play... and a forward momentum.. not reviewable...
There were definitely whistles plus the ref was putting his arms up, whether or not the call was right
Obviously the correct team won that game. It is horrible that an officiating crew gets away with the things they do to try and sway games based on bribes from schools or alumni. This officiating crew needs to be sent down to DIII for a season, then DII for another season. I’m very disappointed there wasn’t at least a long huddle by all the officials. That tells me they were all in on it because an honest ref would have been yelling BS.
The call was correct. His forward progress was clearly stopped. Get lost.
@@chriskay1449what second was the whistle blown? You run the audio through tone search and it never occurred based on previous video whistles. You play through the whistle. You proved my point that the officials were corrupt. Thanks bro!
You should realize that cocaine is a dangerous drug and get some help.......
Didn't hear whistle but that official was indicating player down
Glad East Carolina won at the end. Screw the refs. They have literally ruined the game of football for me. I'm so happy to see that EC still came out at top. BALL DON'T LIE!!!
no whistle. poor officiating. luckily, we got some redemption on the interception. this should have been a touchdown.
Worst call of the year!
What a horrible call back to umpiring school for that crew
Bad calls like this need to be removed from the game. This is unacceptable
Except it was the correct call. Forward progress was clearly stopped.
Espn needs to oil up
There was another video with a fight that broke out. I stand what is said to the video. After watching this play that. The referee’s blew. I can see the players getting heated.
2:16 Sideline referee runs out hand in the air forward progress stopped Is the whole world so dramatic If you don't like what you hear cry like babies!
It ended how it should have.
Ball don’t LIE!!!
That’s a scoring play. It should have been reviewed
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I may be hearing things but I’m pretty sure I did hear a whistle from one def at 1:22 just not from multiple refs and the crowd was exploding
It seemed like forward progress rule to me, that was my initial thought.
Lol he clearly blew the whistle. Not even once but at least twice
1:46 is bro lost? Took a wrong turn and wound up in D.C.
Las Vegas call
Do this for the NFL.
Forward progress was stopped .
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I heard a whistle in theiddle of the cheering listen close
NO WHISTLE to stop the play. Absolutely pathetic. They're not even competent enough to be crooked!
LOok closer. Side Judge clearly blows the play dead for forward progress. Try again.
For the record, you can always sign up to become an official yourself. That way, you can SHOW then how to work games the right way.
@@TruthDefined4life Stop gaslighting! It was a horrendous call. I assume you're as incompetent as the officials.
There WAS a whistle. I heard it 4 times But But that doesn't matter because dude wasnt even down. That's a fumble return for a td.
And you wonder why there was a huge fight after the game. Even the refs can do it right and they had no clue what was going on for this play.
1:20 you hear the whistles
I’ve been posting everywhere that pro and college sports are fixed. Those that believe they are pure competition are fools. Oh, when you try to post video evidence, folks block you. Well, let those fools stay uninformed.
The announcers are inept. They showed no replays beyond the first one and yet claimed forward progress wasn't stopped. Additional replays would have pointed out the side judge blowing the play dead and forward progress was stopped
Thanks for the comment. I've only seen this clip here. During my first watch I thought that the play was dead because of forward progress. During the replay I could swear I heard a whistle underneath the crowd noise.
“Ball don’t lie!” This strictly belongs in basketball. Cmon ESPN who’s controller the post from you guys lately? It’s been super trash
This how they did Clemson too lol
Six wins gets a bowl....tragic.
Trying to help the big conference at all times.
Ive seen that forward progress call way too many times...guess in the end it didnt matter...
That's called KARMA
the official lied.
Head official should be fired. There was no call made to end the play. He actually made what call he wanted to and no one had the power to overturn it. And he knew that fact while he did it. Beta.
TH-cam comments = punish them
X = this is football stop being soft
1:20 I heard a whistle
I have bad hearing and I heard the whistle
Terrible deffense on that 3 and 10 that is terrible by players and coaches on that play
At 1:21, watch the L in the bottom left of the screen raise his arm, indicating the play is over and he has the spot. That killed the play, not a whistle.
Which is not supposed to happen. They have those whistles for a reason.