If this helps, try 2 x 20 litre bottles, cut the top off and fix the rope and fill them with water and fix to the boom and a rigger on off side, I have used this on my boat. Good videos guys...
Nice one guys, loads of designs of floppier stoppers so I’m sure you will refine yours but seemed to make a difference. To reduce the boat dancing around the anchor you could rig a riding sail. Small job Hanley to backstay and cleated back to coachroof. Boat will still move around but much less. Fair winds. Andy UK
Cheers Andy! We keep saying we’ll make one but it’s always low on the priority list of jobs. One day we’ll get the sewing machine out and attack that project 😊
Hi im from the philippines and enjoying watchn your videos sailing since youve in kittiwake buying skua...i dont have any boat but still want to knows sailing and how it to be done.u two are pretty amazing.
If you want the simplest form of flopper stopper, a submerged 20 litre bucket works a treat, two for a bigger boat, if the handle isn't strong enough, drill 4 holes under the top lip and make a dyneema 4 point bridle, you can throw a rock or dive weight in the bottom, cheap, no big deal
I can think of a multitude of feasible flopper stopper designs, made from a multitude of materials, all will work, I'm definitely not going into and details because I'm a South African sailor, who's currently in the process of surveying and purchasing a small 36' double hull Huntingford designed modified full keel semi displacement cutter. The exchange rate is not in my favour and as such I am keeping the majority of my potential money earning schemes close to my chest. What I most definitely will have aboard is stainless steel and aluminum Tig welding equipment onboard (from my own due diligence and input from cruisers' forums and long term cruisers, one of the more difficult things to get done properly) amongst other things, if you can fix/service all your own (and other peoples) boats leaks, lamination issues, service winches, marine diesels, outboards, or have any kind of fabrication, mechanical, structural, rigging and electrical(12, 24, 110 and 220\240 V) knowledge and experience you will be able to make a lot of money in marinas and anchorages. There are a hell of a lot of boat/yacht owners who do not have the foggiest clue how their boat systems work, but who have $$ in the bank. Thanks for putting more ideas in my pip
@@jonnorousseau3096 I do boat electrics for a living but I am very selective who I work for! Only people with a drive to learn to do it them self's are worth my time. You can never please stupid and lazy customers. They only give you heaps of aggravation.
We had a Mariah 31 with a bobstay. A suggestion. I put a PVC pipe over the bobstay. 1.25 inch diameter or so. It prevents chafe on an anchor rode and stops noise from chain as well. Lasted many years of cruising the Caribbean. Skua had many similarities to our old Pacific Seacraft Mariah.
Cheers Ed, when we replace the bobstay we'll probably fit a tube over it - we have tubing over the bridle which helps a lot. We'd also like to replace the bobstay fitting and use the old fitting as a lead for the snubber.
Hey so i've used a flopper stopper a lot. In the end I had it perfected. In the end I had a 800mm diameter drogue chute with a 5 kg weight on the bottom suspended so the lip of the drouge is just about 25mm out of the water. In light rolling the drouge would pull up out of the sea full with water that would run out of it quick enough that it would dampen the roll back towards the drouge. Then another line running down from the halard through the center of the drouge connected to two plates of 4mm Aluminum about 300mm 900mm that hinged together. Lifting from the corners and then a weight pulling down at the hinge. So they would fold together on the down stroke and dive and Open on the up stroke. The drogue chute would manage light rolling that would not actuate the aluminum flopper stopper and when a bigger wave would kick in the aluminum flopper stopper would just kill the big rolling. Once I had made it so the aluminum piece didnt open too far and get itself stuck turned inside out and learnt how much drouge should be out of the water really 5mm can make a big difference it was amazing. I had it setup so it would take 2mins to deploy and retrieve. If you want a more detailed explanation we can chat with another medium if you like. Cheers good luck
Holy moly that sounds like a serious bit of kit! We've been in really great anchorages lately and the swell's been organised so we haven't used it much but when we start heading westwards we might need to refine it a bit more. We have a drogue on board so maybe I can experiment with that. Our plywood one takes the edge off and stops the out of control pendulum but she will still roll gently to the side swell if there is any.
We need to make a flopper stopper! Looks great! No thanks to the anchoring in 40 knots of wind, I was nervous in 20 the other day! Great job staying safe in it xx
Haha! That's the Med off-season. Almost 2 weeks of 40 knots in Menorca, then we had 60 knots in both Sardinia and Sicily later on :D May is usually better, but this year it was a bit of an endurance test to be honest. Stay safe :) xx
@@SailingKittiwake yes weather was ok a few showers but the kids still loved it as we had a fire and marshmallow i think they just love poking sticks into a fire 😁
well, 20 minutes ago I had no idea what a flopper stopper was, let alone how to make one, will be interested to see if you make any improvements to it.
FYI if your having a real problem with the wind and the swell swinging your boat around hook a line to your anchor chain and to a winch on the stern of your boat and winch it in until you get square the wind in the swell and then cleat it off and it will hold you steady
Hi Bryon, thanks for the tip! We've tried a swell bridle like you describe, but often in the Med there's not enough wind to hold you consistently in one direction so we've found that two anchors or the flipper stopper works better.
If you must insist on using a flop-stop, then you need to perfect it a bit more. Ballast your board centrally, cut out two symmetric square holes in the board and cover them with hinged flaps (like doors). They will act like check valves. They open as the board sinks and close as the board is pulled up (minimal resistance on the way down, maximal resistance on the way up)
Cheers fesh fesh, the idea with ours is that it dives by turning more vertical, rather than using check valves - are they still useful? We've ballasted the board in the middle plus on one side and it does work better like that, though since we've been in better anchorages lately we haven't needed it so much :)
@@SailingKittiwake What you want from a flop-stop is fast reaction time everytime the direction of the vertical motion is switched, and technically speaking flapper check-valves are the fastest reacting.
What about adding another flopper stopper to the other side of the boat, this would mean the roll of the boat is slowed both ways and would give the opposite flopper stopper more time to sink? Also who doesn't love saying flopper stopper? lol
You can buy waits that are made for that. You hook a single line to it, and the plywood should be more triangular with the points rounded off.commercial fishing boats use them.the wait has a metal rod with a hole to connect the line to
Cheers Sonny. It’s a diesel cooker by Wallas. Very nice and great to use - no need to get gas anymore. However, it’s very expensive. We found it on the boat when we bought her, so it was free for us.
Try the weight on the flapper board in the center between the short ends but slightly off center between the long sides there should be less leverage caused by the weight which means it should go flat for the up stroke more readily. Just an idea. 😀
for the flopper stopper wouldnt it be more efficient to have it just stay parallel to the horizon...that way it would resist rolling in both directions of the hull versus only resisting in the upward direction? i suppose a sea anchor would do the same thing
Youll want double that weight, & bolt it along the side not end...the action & reaction with the tilting & drop of the board will be much quicker & more effective
I was interested to see the aluminum boat in the anchorage seamed to be sitting more quietly than you but also closer to the shore? Or was it just when I caught them on the video? The 'Magma R10702 Rock N Roll Stabilizer' apparently work well. The folks on 'Boat Fam' used it very successfully on their old trawler in the Bahamas the center hinge design means it was fast reacting. They reported that they were surprised how well it worked but continued to use it for a whole season . It was quick and easy to deploy too, they has the outrigger set for quick deployment. On skua I think I might have used a whisker or spinnaker pole rather than the boom. I could not find the video where they talk about this model but real world experience counts for a lot ,( they are currently on different adventurers after they had a third child! But plan to go back afloat in the future). Glad your enjoying Skua you have really settled into her! Cheers Warren
Ain't she a stunner! There's no angle from which she doesn't look very "yotty" in its best sense no matter on deck or down below. Are You content with her upwind capabilty when tacking? Sag in the fore stays would flaw this considerably and could be somewhat stretched out with the aft stay. That flapper board might need a rubber between the weighted side ropes and the others. I don't like these but had once a customer onboard screwing around a Meltemi fourtnight with one: best results he got when it was about 45 to 60 deg to the weighted side and a rubber tying the two pairs of holding ropes together that way; the rolling boat making it go upwards would stretch the rubber and bring it into horizontal position with four straight lines in one sweep. I myself prefer the Yawl-way to cope with rolling as well as with her tendency to sail around her anchor: try to find a place to put a small sail (about half to a third of Your storm trys'l) up in the very back of the boat in a way that she has to stay to one side of the wind when it's not filled - practically like Your steering windvane gets blown onto when deviating only. Can be supported with suiting rudder-lay when anchored, too. Cheers and thank's for sharing!
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When I watch your videos I always feel like I'm right there with you, such a joy to watch.
That’s so nice! Thank you!
The spray hood looks really good too. Elena did a really good job. I think she is a keeper!
The first thing my father taught me when sailing 45 yrs ago was you can never have too heavy an anchor and never enough chain. like your style.
Very good approach 😊👍
My step 1 would be:
- Get a boat.
If this helps, try 2 x 20 litre bottles, cut the top off and fix the rope and fill them with water and fix to the boom and a rigger on off side, I have used this on my boat. Good videos guys...
A great vid again, that's my kind of food the fresh fish BBQ, mouth watering stuff, well done.
It was delish! All merit to the sea bream 😊
You've got to love that boat !
We do 😍
Very Nice
What a great team you are ...well done!
Great job cleaning up the boat. Treally amazing
Cheers Edward! 😊
Nice one guys, loads of designs of floppier stoppers so I’m sure you will refine yours but seemed to make a difference. To reduce the boat dancing around the anchor you could rig a riding sail. Small job Hanley to backstay and cleated back to coachroof. Boat will still move around but much less. Fair winds. Andy UK
Cheers Andy! We keep saying we’ll make one but it’s always low on the priority list of jobs. One day we’ll get the sewing machine out and attack that project 😊
Enjoy your videos as always!
Yay! Thanks Sonny!
sailing at 2 knots is still sailing. i'm glad you didn't use the motor. keep on sailing :-)
Cheers Iain, patience for sailing is easy to come by in those perfect conditions :)
Hi im from the philippines and enjoying watchn your videos sailing since youve in kittiwake buying skua...i dont have any boat but still want to knows sailing and how it to be done.u two are pretty amazing.
25l buckets from the £ shop work very well weighed down accordingly with small drain holes
If you want the simplest form of flopper stopper, a submerged 20 litre bucket works a treat, two for a bigger boat, if the handle isn't strong enough, drill 4 holes under the top lip and make a dyneema 4 point bridle, you can throw a rock or dive weight in the bottom, cheap, no big deal
great idea but that marine ply worked a treat , easier to stow away too. great job.
I can think of a multitude of feasible flopper stopper designs, made from a multitude of materials, all will work, I'm definitely not going into and details because I'm a South African sailor, who's currently in the process of surveying and purchasing a small 36' double hull Huntingford designed modified full keel semi displacement cutter. The exchange rate is not in my favour and as such I am keeping the majority of my potential money earning schemes close to my chest. What I most definitely will have aboard is stainless steel and aluminum Tig welding equipment onboard (from my own due diligence and input from cruisers' forums and long term cruisers, one of the more difficult things to get done properly) amongst other things, if you can fix/service all your own (and other peoples) boats leaks, lamination issues, service winches, marine diesels, outboards, or have any kind of fabrication, mechanical, structural, rigging and electrical(12, 24, 110 and 220\240 V) knowledge and experience you will be able to make a lot of money in marinas and anchorages. There are a hell of a lot of boat/yacht owners who do not have the foggiest clue how their boat systems work, but who have $$ in the bank.
Thanks for putting more ideas in my pip
@@jonnorousseau3096 I do boat electrics for a living but I am very selective who I work for! Only people with a drive to learn to do it them self's are worth my time. You can never please stupid and lazy customers. They only give you heaps of aggravation.
We had a Mariah 31 with a bobstay. A suggestion. I put a PVC pipe over the bobstay. 1.25 inch diameter or so. It prevents chafe on an anchor rode and stops noise from chain as well. Lasted many years of cruising the Caribbean. Skua had many similarities to our old Pacific Seacraft Mariah.
Cheers Ed, when we replace the bobstay we'll probably fit a tube over it - we have tubing over the bridle which helps a lot. We'd also like to replace the bobstay fitting and use the old fitting as a lead for the snubber.
Hey so i've used a flopper stopper a lot. In the end I had it perfected. In the end I had a 800mm diameter drogue chute with a 5 kg weight on the bottom suspended so the lip of the drouge is just about 25mm out of the water. In light rolling the drouge would pull up out of the sea full with water that would run out of it quick enough that it would dampen the roll back towards the drouge. Then another line running down from the halard through the center of the drouge connected to two plates of 4mm Aluminum about 300mm 900mm that hinged together. Lifting from the corners and then a weight pulling down at the hinge. So they would fold together on the down stroke and dive and Open on the up stroke. The drogue chute would manage light rolling that would not actuate the aluminum flopper stopper and when a bigger wave would kick in the aluminum flopper stopper would just kill the big rolling. Once I had made it so the aluminum piece didnt open too far and get itself stuck turned inside out and learnt how much drouge should be out of the water really 5mm can make a big difference it was amazing. I had it setup so it would take 2mins to deploy and retrieve. If you want a more detailed explanation we can chat with another medium if you like. Cheers good luck
Holy moly that sounds like a serious bit of kit! We've been in really great anchorages lately and the swell's been organised so we haven't used it much but when we start heading westwards we might need to refine it a bit more. We have a drogue on board so maybe I can experiment with that. Our plywood one takes the edge off and stops the out of control pendulum but she will still roll gently to the side swell if there is any.
Loves the video as always
Thanks a lot Sara! 😊
We need to make a flopper stopper! Looks great! No thanks to the anchoring in 40 knots of wind, I was nervous in 20 the other day! Great job staying safe in it xx
Haha! That's the Med off-season. Almost 2 weeks of 40 knots in Menorca, then we had 60 knots in both Sardinia and Sicily later on :D May is usually better, but this year it was a bit of an endurance test to be honest. Stay safe :) xx
Thanks guys was away camping so have had the joy of binge watching👍👏⛵🏴
Nice! Hope you had nice weather for it? We love camping and used to go away most weekends in the tent.
@@SailingKittiwake yes weather was ok a few showers but the kids still loved it as we had a fire and marshmallow i think they just love poking sticks into a fire 😁
Fantastic! Love a good campfire 😊👍
Sorry 🤗Forgot to say.... It is Episode 64
I really love your videos. I am a big fan.
By...
Cheers Josef.
well, 20 minutes ago I had no idea what a flopper stopper was, let alone how to make one, will be interested to see if you make any improvements to it.
Great episode! Couldn't help but think of the self tacking staysail boom removal when you doused the sail for easier handling though :-)
Hey Paul, that was the yankee, not the staysail :) No regrets on the self-tacking boom whatsoever.
FYI if your having a real problem with the wind and the swell swinging your boat around hook a line to your anchor chain and to a winch on the stern of your boat and winch it in until you get square the wind in the swell and then cleat it off and it will hold you steady
Hi Bryon, thanks for the tip! We've tried a swell bridle like you describe, but often in the Med there's not enough wind to hold you consistently in one direction so we've found that two anchors or the flipper stopper works better.
If you must insist on using a flop-stop, then you need to perfect it a bit more.
Ballast your board centrally, cut out two symmetric square holes in the board and cover them with hinged flaps (like doors). They will act like check valves.
They open as the board sinks and close as the board is pulled up (minimal resistance on the way down, maximal resistance on the way up)
Cheers fesh fesh, the idea with ours is that it dives by turning more vertical, rather than using check valves - are they still useful? We've ballasted the board in the middle plus on one side and it does work better like that, though since we've been in better anchorages lately we haven't needed it so much :)
@@SailingKittiwake What you want from a flop-stop is fast reaction time everytime the direction of the vertical motion is switched, and technically speaking flapper check-valves are the fastest reacting.
What about adding another flopper stopper to the other side of the boat, this would mean the roll of the boat is slowed
both ways and would give the opposite flopper stopper more time to sink?
Also who doesn't love saying flopper stopper? lol
You can buy waits that are made for that. You hook a single line to it, and the plywood should be more triangular with the points rounded off.commercial fishing boats use them.the wait has a metal rod with a hole to connect the line to
You guys are cool. I’m starting to subscribe
Yaaay! 😊❤️
What kind of cooker is that? Looks nice.
Cheers Sonny. It’s a diesel cooker by Wallas. Very nice and great to use - no need to get gas anymore. However, it’s very expensive. We found it on the boat when we bought her, so it was free for us.
Try the weight on the flapper board in the center between the short ends but slightly off center between the long sides there should be less leverage caused by the weight which means it should go flat for the up stroke more readily. Just an idea. 😀
I would watch 10 minutes of you two saying “flopperstopper”
😂 if we get stuck for ideas for new videos, we know what to film!
Hi guys, you seem a great team. Do you use a snubber?
fair winds
for the flopper stopper wouldnt it be more efficient to have it just stay parallel to the horizon...that way it would resist rolling in both directions of the hull versus only resisting in the upward direction? i suppose a sea anchor would do the same thing
Love your boat, it seems you are getting used to it. Looks to me you could use a Bimini.
Thanks Os! We have one but it was too cold to use it in the spring - we wanted the sun on our skin.
40 knot wind? Damn good anchor! What type?
Sure is! It’s a 27kg Manson Supreme. In later videos, you’ll see it hold us in 60 knots storms more than once.
Sounds like a great investment.
Totally! We trust it with our lives.
Did you guys find the swells/rolling worse on the Catamaran than Skua?
If you've got a drogue tucked away somewhere maybe try weighting that?
Youll want double that weight, & bolt it along the side not end...the action & reaction with the tilting & drop of the board will be much quicker & more effective
I was interested to see the aluminum boat in the anchorage seamed to be sitting more quietly than you but also closer to the shore? Or was it just when I caught them on the video?
The 'Magma R10702 Rock N Roll Stabilizer' apparently work well. The folks on 'Boat Fam' used it very successfully on their old trawler in the Bahamas the center hinge design means it was fast reacting. They reported that they were surprised how well it worked but continued to use it for a whole season . It was quick and easy to deploy too, they has the outrigger set for quick deployment. On skua I think I might have used a whisker or spinnaker pole rather than the boom. I could not find the video where they talk about this model but real world experience counts for a lot ,( they are currently on different adventurers after they had a third child! But plan to go back afloat in the future).
Glad your enjoying Skua you have really settled into her! Cheers Warren
What's the difference between spray hood, bimini, and dodger? Are these different names for the same thing?
BBQ is an excellent present.
Cooking in the cabin stinks up the clothing and linen.
No one thinks to place a vent by the stove.
So how is the steering working out?
you did have some concerns when you first purchased the boat?
It’s OK but we don’t trust it 100% so we’ll do a tiller conversion.
use a bucket to help with roll
It doesn't work.
Ain't she a stunner! There's no angle from which she doesn't look very "yotty" in its best sense no matter on deck or down below.
Are You content with her upwind capabilty when tacking? Sag in the fore stays would flaw this considerably and could be somewhat stretched out with the aft stay.
That flapper board might need a rubber between the weighted side ropes and the others.
I don't like these but had once a customer onboard screwing around a Meltemi fourtnight with one: best results he got when it was about 45 to 60 deg to the weighted side and a rubber tying the two pairs of holding ropes together that way; the rolling boat making it go upwards would stretch the rubber and bring it into horizontal position with four straight lines in one sweep.
I myself prefer the Yawl-way to cope with rolling as well as with her tendency to sail around her anchor: try to find a place to put a small sail (about half to a third of Your storm trys'l) up in the very back of the boat in a way that she has to stay to one side of the wind when it's not filled - practically like Your steering windvane gets blown onto when deviating only. Can be supported with suiting rudder-lay when anchored, too. Cheers and thank's for sharing!
Shouldn't Viagra be called a flopper stopper? 😀
OMG what a slow boat!