Goku has really impacted Frieza. -No longer wants Immortality -Wants to get stronger through training -Doesn't want to take down Vegeta and Goku while they're injured and exhausted. Yep. Frieza is a Saiyan now.
A saiyan or he just matured. He was practically an edgy brat during namek saga and then hw went through real hardship and that hardened his mind a lot.
Has potential that can reach and surpass the gods, conquers/destroys worlds, dedicates years to training, and doesn't want boring fights since he doesn't want to be invulnerable despite him having the chance to wish for it... yeah he's a saiyan basically.
I think infinite power is infinitely boring to anyone I mean if you were invulnerable to anything and had a battle history even people like Gohan enjoy a fight at times it gets your blood pumping if you had no worries you wouldn't be pushed higher which is something Frieza acknowledges-"thank you monkeys I wouldnt have ever realized this potential without being pushed to actually train from you idiots".
This is how you do Frieza. He turns up, cleans up business, bullies the monkeys, and leaves. His former rage towards Goku? Seemingly dimmed. He seems competitive, but not in a Goku/Vegeta way. He does it his own way, and he OWNS it. I loved the ending to this arc.
Frieza honestly has nothing to be mad about in regards to the whole original namek saga now that he's alive again, doesn't have his weaker father lording over him, and is infinitely more powerful than before (which likely made his grip on the universe even tighter).
Oh i can’t wait for the next arc which i think is gonna dedicate to be focusing on Frieza and his new black form after demolishing goku AND vegeta in their respective strongest forms
I like to think, him sparing them after knocking them out in one blow was a nod to the first battle with Goku. When Goku realized Frieza wasn't strong enough to beat him during the battle on Namek, Goku stopped fighting and told Frieza he wasn't worth his time and effort. Frieza sparing them, in my opinion, is just him saying "now your not worth MY time."
Got to say, I absolutely love the idea of Freeza becoming so strong, not only does he take care of the big bads (threats to his empire), but he also trolls his old rivals in the process. Show up fight the fight, spot the saiyans and be all 'Oh, you're still using those weak forms?', grin ear to ear, then fly off to do other important emperor things.
He’s honestly the only character who it doesn’t feel like an asspull either. If anyone can make leaps in power like that it was the guy whom had the power to nuke planets as his birthright.
@@monk3110 that said its kind of hilarious how people are so on board with this when everyone initially threw a shitfit at the golden Frieza idea because Frieza just never bothered training because he had no need.
@@daysand123 it's because of the time frame. You can't compare 4 months to 10 years. Both were offscreen but you understand that frieza learned also from his mistakes. He trained his body after reviving, then he trained his mind again in hell he could see increase in power but it just wasn't enough. Not after the TOP. And he couldn't spend all his time training because he had responsibilities unlike the Saiyans. But then, he finds a place where he can spend a lot of time in without sacrificing his responsibility then, sure. Dude already tasted literal hell, a few years of training wouldn't really bother him probably and also would prevent him from going back to hell again.
The weirdest part is he'd probably take the revelation in stride and even admit that, on just that one point, that he was wrong about the Saiyans. I love his character development, even if he is a little overused, its so cool that he's evolving as a villain. I just hope the writers keep to that theme and don't just suddenly have him undergo some regression back to his old Namek Saga personality and mindset out of the blue, that'd be such a waste. Hell I could even see him being semi-graceful in defeat as Vegeta or Beerus erase him, like he'd be pissed that he ultimately failed, but also just accept his final failure with some dignity and even a smile; that'd be such a badass way for him to go out, no tricks, no excuses, just acceptance.
@@purgeblue I think because there’s a slight difference. In the Namek arc he was the uncontested authority in the galaxy bar none, who had never faced serious adversity and that underneath his professional, cold exterior was a bit of a brat who never, ever had to try. So it would make sense, having been humbled so many times that he would mature and make peace with having to be more earnest. E.g. after the Broly movie, there was no denial or reckless self-endangerment; he just conceded defeat and left quietly. Something that he was previously incapable of doing In short, Frieza behaves like the mature ruler he had portrayed himself more genuinely, mainly because he has actual peers to hold him accountable for his actions. In a sense, having to work for his goals made him emotionally stronger. Edit: some grammar corrections. Just generally, as much as I didn't like Rez F, it did establish Frieza gradually becoming an interesting character.
@@richardshiflett5181 actually, a lot of Saiyans weren't even capable of turning great apes. Some of them can't fight. There are intelligent yet weak worker Saiyans shown in the Broly movie. Some literally use snipers instead of ki blasts. Some are just chill scared aliens. There are PACIFISTS in the so called warrior race. They aren't one stereotype like we used to think. There's a variety of Saiyans just like humans.
Frieza did something that very few villains usually do - he learned from the protagonists. And it's gonna make so much more dangerous in the future. I mean just imagine Goku's and Vegeta's drive for improving themselves combined with Frieza's intellect.
@@Gazpacho834 Cell didn't really learn anything from Goku. At least nothing that would develop him as character. He stayed true to his original methods from start to end.
@@Empixity Well Piccolo and Vegeta became good guys, so of course they would gain MC traits. Frieza is still a villain, not even anti hero, which is gonna remain (I hope). Buu from the begining didn't have that good of a grasp of good and evil. And he also became a good guy in the end. Beerus is not evil, more neutral. And Zeno never really acted like villain, also neutral. I'm not sure if he even learned something (didn't follow super as closely as Z)
Goku: "You must be Dark Frieza! Or maybe Nega Frieza! Azeirf!" Black Frieza: "You done?" Goku: "Frieza is the New Black." Black Frieza: *punches him in the gut*
Frieza has kinda become the Vader of Dragonball for me recently, in that while the fandom is really divisive and vocal about the things they don't like, they seem to be the one character most fans agree has stayed consistent over the years. I was really disappointed when he replaced Buu in the top but he ended up being my favorite character in that arc, whenever he was on screen he stole the show and since then I get excited whenever he pops up. As for the new form I do agree that it's pretty safe, but I think it works, it suits him more than a golden form atleast.
Resurrection F kinda make him a laughing stock. Tbh that movie never should've be made and Freeza should have had a proper reintroduction to the franchise
@@unsavedprogress1419 It would've been crazy if in RoF, Frieza just stayed in the shadows biding his time, no 4 month nonsense, but actual years of training, even in a time chamber, and as time goes on he observes all of Goku and Vegeta's adventures via spy drones, keeping track of their progress and what they've overcome. The audience would know he's out there, but not Goku and co, only for his incognito act to be ruined by Whis revealing he's alive again when the ToP come around and the heroes are like "Wait, Frieza's alive, WTF?!" Thus Beerus gives him the "Fight to save our universe" speech and he's like "Well, I wanted to keep myself and my new power hidden awhile longer, but this sounds important so I'm in."
As mid as 95% of the Granolah arc seriously was, I do appreciate that it made Frieza not only relevant as a villain again, but also made him a genuine threat and imposing force of nature, just like he was on Namek, while also giving him some really cool and interesting character-development on top. This is RoF done in the right way.
Frieza becoming everything he hated is gold. Pun intended. Seeing him embrace the need to push and test himself ever since. And it makes sense that hed leave goku and vegeta alive. He now understands the value of having someone there to push him. But then that means it will inevitably be his downfall the way those consequences have always chased the saiyans
I can only imagine the amount of faith and strength it took frieza to put his ego aside, and actually admit he needed to train to become stronger. because he has always looked at training as a unnecessary inferior activity only meant for monkeys and weaklings. lol
For me. This is 100% on brand for Frieza. He sees the BBEG beating down the Saiyans. Claps out said BBEG, then 1 shots both Saiyans in their highest forms. He then shows off his new form, laughs at the 'stupid monkeys' and peaces out. He may as well have said "Later nerds" before flying away.
I do love that Frieza is slowly becoming a Martial Artist, the same way most people become one, through physical and mental effort. His inner ideals will change, because every fighter is the same, they want a good fight.
He also could have learned from the Tournament of Power, that the gods want the universes run a certain way, and he is changing his empire to reflect that. Build up together, not destroy and leave blank.
The scariest part is of Frieza's maturation, is he didn't just get smarter in how he handles things; he's gotten a taste of accomplishment that can only be derived through actual hard work and effort. And he liked it, he enjoys the boon of his efforts, and as he hints in the manga before dipping off, he has more important things to take care of than Goku and Vegeta right now. Whis hinting that there is potentially another strongest in the universe as well as Frieza stating there is nothing in the universe he doesn't know about, while that may be boasting to some extent beyond his actual knowledge, I think he has matured to a point where he is less likely to boast far beyond his capabilities as he did before and during the tournament of power. Having seen the growth of Goku and Vegeta, and experienced his own growth, I think he is much more in touch with his capabilities than he was before. Whatever the next arc brings, I don't think Frieza is going to be the big bad of the events, not that he is going to be a good guy, but I think he's reached a point where he is important enough to the ongoing story, he will continue to be a continued threat, but not the direct villain of concern. He's basically given Goku and Vegeta a push towards needing to train and get stronger again. It's an interesting notion but Frieza in his ten years of training in the room of spirit and time that he found, he may have reached a point he couldn't cross, a plateau, and he could be expecting Goku and Vegeta to grow to give himself another push past his limits as well. I could be looking too deep into it all but, it's fun to theorize, while they take a break and prepare for the next arc.
Seeing Black Frieza really has me hoping for a match between him and Beerus. As I do agree was Masako that Beerus will likely still come out on top but that Frieza will force him to actually put in real effort to do so. Make Beerus sweet a little and show just how close he is to being unthroned, especially if Frieza really put his mind to it instead of running his company.
He is stronger i believe considering he beat Goku in his MUI form and Vegeta in his Ultra Ego, with MUI being stronger than beerus easily and Ultra ego would put up a good fight as its a destroyer level in a way. So for Frieza to topple both of them easily means that Beerus would lose
@@purgeblue I wouldn't say easily. Especially as we've no idea how strong Beerus really is, plus he said it himself that Whis was his master. So while Goku and Vegeta have been training with Whis, there is nothing to say that Beerus also hasn't been training, especially as he had to consider how strong Goku was becoming and then teach Vegeta the basics of Ultra Ego as well. Beerus having grown would make tons of sense and maybe even more now that he knows what Frieza has been up to.
@@LupineShadowOmega we know that Goku is stronger cause his MUI is stronger than Beerus who’s not close to master it, and Jiren is stronger than gods of destruction, so much in fact that it took an angel lever of power to beat him
@@purgeblue Not how that works. At least the bit about Mastering UI. UI is a technique and not a power level. Goku mastering it wasn't about him being stronger than Beerus, it was about him figuring out how it worked and doing the thing. As for Jiren, he's stronger than a god of Destruction, not all gods of Destruction. They even actively made the distinction, especially in the manga, that all GoDs aren't just some uniform level of power. They're stronger and weaker individually and Beerus is a pretty big deal among them. And again that was before he had to face how strong both Goku and Vegeta were getting.
@@purgeblue From what we have seen Beerus show off I would agree but I feel Beerus is lazy in even showing off his full potential otherwise I can't help feeling Whis would not be holding off switching out for a better God of Destruction.
A black form of Frieza kinda fits in with his races whole "Cold" theme. Anyone ever heard of "black ice"? It's thin patches of ice that form on roads during freezing rain and snow storms. And I've seen black Frieza race OCs named Black Ice. Predominantly a let's play of Dragon Ball Xenoverse 1 where the let's player made a "Black Ice" character for their playthrough.
I absolutely LOVE this analysis of Frieza's development so far for the future of Dragon Ball Super. Personally, it isn't just the power gap that intrigues me about this but also how Frieza, moving forward, is going to play mind games with Goku and Vegeta (maybe Gohan and his new form gains could help fill in this gap of mental gymnastics?).
@@Charisonic_558 I don't really feel like he's as evil as he used to be, but after watching the video I do agree he's gone less chaotic too. After taking the points made into consideration I think on a chart he'd be right on the cross between true neutral, lawful neutral, neutral evil and lawful evil
Not gonna lie...Frieza saved this saga for me. It wasn't Bardocks wish. It wasn't Ultra instinct mastered/ Ego whatever. It was an evil emperor just doing what he does best- one punch manning everything with a smirk on his face!
My theory is Whis wanted to make Frieza the next god of destruction. He has the potential, the killer instinct, and he basically was doing beerus job while he was asleep
Not gonna lie, I absolutely love what they've done with Frieza at this point. The parallels feel very natural, but funnily enough, he is now in a pretty similar position to where Vegeta was in the Cell Saga - the "I don't like you but because I don't like you you motivate me to be better than you" phase. He even said as much in the ToP, but to see it actually come to fruition is really cool. And the fact that this is largely a function of simply him becoming more mature, the fact that he just grew up and stopped being childish about everything, that he put his pride away, is the cherry on top. I don't want this Frieza to ultimately "turn good," because having an antagonistic parallel to Vegeta, and especially _because_ he parallels Vegeta in particular so well, is really interesting. It's a bit strange to think, though, that this stalemate might just go on because all three characters are so popular, I don't want that, but I also don't want to lose this power-balance. Solid discussion video, gives some good food for thought!
This! I want Frieza to merge the galactic defense force and the frieza Empire, create The Imperium Of Frieza, and take over the universe (both mortal and celestial realms, including hell).
These discussion videos you make Masako is the reason why I believe you are one of the most neutral Dragon Ball TH-camrs out there. And just like Mr. Perfect Cell, I tip my crown to you.
I still would've preferred if he had achieved his own Fifth Form version. I want more physical changes, not just color. I mean, he could have Fifth Form with black color to emphasize it's way more stronger than Cooler's.
Maybe they saving it for Cooler's return if they aren't doing any physical changes that I actually wished to see in Frieza's new form. I would have liked it a lot, Frieza would look so cool if not cooler than Cooler. (No pun intended)
@@theonetruefusion8533 What do you mean? Frieza's transformations don't have to be suppressants. Golden/Black Frieza are transformations and they're not suppressants, they're power ups.
@@theclown5763 yes, they’re power ups of his base, but this “fifth form” would mean it’s an anti suppression, those who made the cooler movie probably thought friezas first form was his base
I already picked up on that idea. He always considered him to be beyond sayain. But now he realizes this training thing may actually exalt him far beyond what he currently is. "Why should I listen to my father and avoid threats like buu or beerus?" "I will write my legacy in the cosmos itself."
I'm hoping friezas main goal this time around is to make beerus pay for making him kneel down to him so many years ago. it probably still hunts frieza in his dreams.
I feel like how quickly frieza has been able to catch up and surpass really shows what has been said time and time again. He’s a prodigy. He’s one who can reach these insane level of power with comparatively MUCH less training
The way Frieza comes out with his new transformations, it almost feels as if he (and possibly his race) can choose their new forms. If not choose, at least guide. Additionally, his means of acquiring transformations seems to run counter to Goku and most other Saiyans - While Goku (usually) acquires new power because he needs to in order to win, Frieza has to dedicate sheer effort and training alone to acquire new power. It's happened with his last two forms now.
Well it make sense from the look of it Black frieza Black Ice,Also The Color of natural Saiyan Color mean Unlimited Potential similar to Ultra Instinct Silver and Ultra Ego Purple
Actually, if you pay attention to the panel where Freeza strikes Gas, he transformed for a split second (puling out a Vegeta in the manga), but it is unclear that he transformed into gold or black.
I think the main reason Frieza let's Goku and Vegeta live, is to rectify his first mistake, of Never Training. He never had someone more powerful then him, and if all it took was a flick of a finger to destroy a planet, why need to get stronger? If Frieza had trained just partially though out his life, he would've offed the Z-fighters on Namek no questions asked.
If frieza became golden in 6 months of training, that would mean all he needed was to train 1 month or less to become stronger then a saiyan in the namek saga.
I absolutely love how freeza is maturing...he knows neither of them are vein enough to extend their lives with the dragonballs as well and he now realizes they helped him alot more than they ever harmed him through their actions. Now Im just imagining both sayian in their 70s (if the story is still the same sayians peak at 80, and its all downhill after that) and here comes frieza debating should he finish them off now or later, since he still has gas in the tank while they are reaching their ultimate peak.
I've seen it said before, and it's coming to mind again, Frieza would make a good God of Destruction. His development from "These monkeys upset me, blow up the planet" to "These monkeys make me grow stronger! Let me fight them again!" really shows not just his power potential, but his character potential as well.
It'd be very fun to see Frieza just become friends with the rest of the group to be able and freely beat around the saiyans while having an afternoon latte or some such and normally conversing with the others. Basically a second beerus at that point. Pan and Bura growing up with uncle Beerus, uncle Frieza and uncle Piccolo. The merriest of bunches.
Nah I really don’t want frieza to become a good guy. It would destroy his entire character. He’s been evil since the day he was born, he should be evil even in death, cause that’s lord frieza.
I think I would have been okay with "Diamond Frieza," but Black makes him seem so much scarier. I'm *scared* of Black Frieza. Goku and Vegeta have created their own worst enemy, one they might not be able to beat... Interesting. I don't know why the concept of Frieza simply training for once is so compelling! 12:50 The idea of Goku/Vegeta not being proactive gave me the idea of Vegeta going back to his Early Z roots... Going on a one-man quest across space trying to hunt down Frieza and put him down. All as his more restrained hero self though! And, imagine him grappling with some old killer tendancies??
Honestly, I would've preferred him to have a different look rather than just a 2nd coat of paint. You know, keep in line with his race and what we originally saw on Namek (and in the first Cooler movie because I don't care what anyone says, Cooler's final form was the most awesome form from his race ever) rather than just copying the Saiyans and just changing color.
I think that while Frieza still hates sayjinns. He can appreciate having Goku and vegeta out there as a yard stick and motivator. Plus I imagine part of him, even if he'll never admit it, is enjoying the game they're playing now. 'Hey Monkies look what i've gooot!' Gutpunch. Leave. He's secure in the knowledge that both Goku and vegeta have what, maybe another twenty or so years in them? Maybe less. And while yes they have given him several major setbacks. They've also forced him to reevaluate himself and his own mentality. Ironically pounding home lessons Cold probably wanted him to learn of patiance and taking a long view.
I see Frieza now like a Space Maffia. He does his own business, but if someone tries to stop him or disturb him by getting there unwelcome than mostly that it won't end well for them.
I really like this development for Frieza. We saw early signs of it during the ToP, and so far, Toyotaro hasn’t disappointed. I never thought I would say this, but Frieza’s actually starting to become my favorite character now.
A tiny nitpick with the reasoning for the "consequences of your actions" section of the video, but wasn't Beerus the one responsible for Frieza being resurrected at the end of the ToP, not Whis? Whis was the one that PERFORMED the resurrection, yes, but iirc, Whis said directly afterward that it was a request from Lord Beerus for his (Frieza's) performance in the tournament.
I like idea that doesn’t mean he will maintain that title and he CAN be surpassed. He was just made the strongest at that point. I thought that was a nice way to do that. It’s not quite a monkey’s paw cuz what he wanted didn’t backfire or anything
The old Frieza was motivated by fear. He was born with incredible power, but he feared that the Saiyans would get stronger and overthrow him. His fears and insecurities led to his downfall. The new Frieza is no longer afraid. His power at birth is not his peak, and he can always train and get stronger, just like the Saiyans. And now he knows what kind of people the Saiyans are. They love fighting, and will keep allowing him to get away and get stronger.
It's been several years since I've seen any of your content. Team Fourstar helped me through the hardest time I've been through so far. You kept me laughing when I couldn't find humor in life anywhere. Great character breakdown here, I really haven't even been keeping up with dragon ball anymore, but this was nice, a chance to sit and see where you are today, Masako.
I must say that, after his disappointing return in Resurrection F, I think that Frieza's development is one of the thing that modern DB did best. I disagree with those that claim that he is following the usual "face turn" that we have consistently been seeing throughout all of DB, as Frieza has not become a good or well intentioned guy by any means, he has simply evolved his evil ways. Which makes sense, given all his experiences from the Namek saga onwards: his arrogance and entitlement has led him to defeat too many times not to learn from that, and he understood that he needs to work hard and not be rash if he wants to remain the top dog in the universe, which is something that his position as galactic emperors somewhat requires.
Frieza: Look upon me, monkeys! Do try to keep up with my power and give me a good challenge later!! Vegeta: Did.... did he just pull a Kakarot? Goku: Yep.
Frieza Black is kinda the revese of Super Saiyan when you think about it, Super Saiyan was made to save ink by making their hairs white, Frieza Black's legs eats more ink since it's black
This still makes me wonder though since he hasn't gotten the same chances: could Cell (not Cell Max, the original) through training have gotten to powers similar or even beyond Frieza? I mean, he does have both Saiyan and Frieza's DNA in him, so the potential would be there I think.
@@tasr1233 honestly how it feels these days. Modern dragon ball fan here, db fans look really dumb from the outside, and slightly less dumb when in the community.
I don't think so. Cell is not pure Saiyan or pure Frieza species. He may have some traits like Zenkai's and breathing in space but the human DNA might limit him in unlocking power rivaling gods. Also, Gero's design for him never went beyond perfect form. He might get stronger through training but the way he is engineered means he hits a wall eventually as he gets no transformation to give him a power boost, unless someone somehow modifies him to change his physical biology again like after absorbing 17 and 18.
I really like where super is heading. Black Frieza is a freaking monster and could see gohan surpassing goku and vegeta even further than this new beast mode in order to deal with frieza's Black form.
In Resurrection F Frieza trained for 4 months, then in the anime it was revealed he trained with a partner to reach his Golden form. The real question now is; who was strong enough to las 10 years training with Frieza?
Scary thing Frieza having a time chamber implies: Frieza might have a nemekian with the ability to make dragonballs on his side now. Fun thing Frieza's new disposition implies: if he's more willing to hire just about anyone, that opens up the possibility that not only some GT villains could work for him, but convicts from the Moro arc. And it gives Dragonball something it's kinda been missing for a while. Focus.
Basic Freeza need Goku and Vegeta, they motivate him to be stronger and he motivate them to get stronger they got this wierd symbiotic relationship that they need eachother.
Frieza and a character from FFXIV share a lot in common now, Zenos. The two just are villains though the difference is one wants to rule, one just wants a challenge, but Frieza seems to be sitting in that boat now too, I love it lol
I think it's more like frieza mature, and realize he can exist together with goku vegeta etc, as long he don't distrub them. And having them alive is more benefit as motivation to grow stronger.
You know.... back in middle school when the Android / Cell Saga was coming out on Toonami I made up my own super saiyan transformation I called it Super Saiyan Black where the aura around the saiyan was black the hair was white and the eye color was dark red, Goku found this transformation while training for Cell in the time chamber with Gohan.... I even took one of my DBZ Coloring books and traced battle damaged Super Saiyan Goku from Namek and colored it with the idea of the Super Saiyan black. I also made up a story about a female Saiyan some how being off planet when frieza blew up Planet Vegeta and they went to earth trying to take it over but Vegeta stopped her from taking over his new home planet... man I haven't thought about these 2 storylines in years but I'm glad to share the ideas with you Masako 😊 well I hope you enjoyed my ramblings
I haven't read Super since the Moro arc ended and this showed up in my feed. Just binged through the whole last arc and man was it worth it. Black Frieza is so cool
Thanks for watching. Be sure to share your thoughts of this revelation...F.
It's great, can't wait to see more
Hey masako! What if Cooler was emperor instead?
Can't wait for freiza to be done with.
Wanna see more of Diera. Seriously he’s a great villain.
Bro, I’m 20 years old & mexican , grinding hard to get out the hood, I can’t be 30 with nothing to show for so i smoke weed on my youtube channel 😭
Goku has really impacted Frieza.
-No longer wants Immortality
-Wants to get stronger through training
-Doesn't want to take down Vegeta and Goku while they're injured and exhausted.
Yep. Frieza is a Saiyan now.
A saiyan or he just matured.
He was practically an edgy brat during namek saga and then hw went through real hardship and that hardened his mind a lot.
@@Ordoabchao-x9k Being in hell to yourself can teach you stuff I guess. And Frieza spent 10 years alone in the chamber so.
Goku also always tried to spare Frieza and perhaps that is another characteristic rubbing off onto him.
Frieza is the new Vegeta, I'm calling it.
@@almachizit3207 then what is vegeta?
I saw “Black Frieza” and immediately thought “How did Zamasu come back?!”.
Has potential that can reach and surpass the gods, conquers/destroys worlds, dedicates years to training, and doesn't want boring fights since he doesn't want to be invulnerable despite him having the chance to wish for it... yeah he's a saiyan basically.
Or just anyone who wants to have fun
@@kitsune_gt we're all saiyans at heart
I thought it was more that going to hell made him think that never dying would actual be awful or something.
@@monk3110 i think frieza is taking more joy in fighting and see's it as an exotic flavour of life, being invulnerable would make things a bit bland
I think infinite power is infinitely boring to anyone I mean if you were invulnerable to anything and had a battle history even people like Gohan enjoy a fight at times it gets your blood pumping if you had no worries you wouldn't be pushed higher which is something Frieza acknowledges-"thank you monkeys I wouldnt have ever realized this potential without being pushed to actually train from you idiots".
This is how you do Frieza. He turns up, cleans up business, bullies the monkeys, and leaves. His former rage towards Goku? Seemingly dimmed. He seems competitive, but not in a Goku/Vegeta way. He does it his own way, and he OWNS it. I loved the ending to this arc.
i love the new Frieza alot
Frieza honestly has nothing to be mad about in regards to the whole original namek saga now that he's alive again, doesn't have his weaker father lording over him, and is infinitely more powerful than before (which likely made his grip on the universe even tighter).
Oh i can’t wait for the next arc which i think is gonna dedicate to be focusing on Frieza and his new black form after demolishing goku AND vegeta in their respective strongest forms
one of the few good things to come out of this terrible ark
Frieza's power should realistically be at around SSG level at best, this writing is whack
I like to think, him sparing them after knocking them out in one blow was a nod to the first battle with Goku. When Goku realized Frieza wasn't strong enough to beat him during the battle on Namek, Goku stopped fighting and told Frieza he wasn't worth his time and effort.
Frieza sparing them, in my opinion, is just him saying "now your not worth MY time."
This
This fits his evolution as a character more honestly
Got to say, I absolutely love the idea of Freeza becoming so strong, not only does he take care of the big bads (threats to his empire), but he also trolls his old rivals in the process. Show up fight the fight, spot the saiyans and be all 'Oh, you're still using those weak forms?', grin ear to ear, then fly off to do other important emperor things.
He’s honestly the only character who it doesn’t feel like an asspull either. If anyone can make leaps in power like that it was the guy whom had the power to nuke planets as his birthright.
@@monk3110 that said its kind of hilarious how people are so on board with this when everyone initially threw a shitfit at the golden Frieza idea because Frieza just never bothered training because he had no need.
@@monk3110 this is literally the biggest asspull in all of Dragonball. Dude should be nowhere near SS Blue levels of power let alone MUI
@@daysand123 it's because of the time frame. You can't compare 4 months to 10 years. Both were offscreen but you understand that frieza learned also from his mistakes.
He trained his body after reviving, then he trained his mind again in hell he could see increase in power but it just wasn't enough. Not after the TOP.
And he couldn't spend all his time training because he had responsibilities unlike the Saiyans.
But then, he finds a place where he can spend a lot of time in without sacrificing his responsibility then, sure.
Dude already tasted literal hell, a few years of training wouldn't really bother him probably and also would prevent him from going back to hell again.
@@Vivi_9 you do know no one cares, right? 🤨
The weirdest part is he'd probably take the revelation in stride and even admit that, on just that one point, that he was wrong about the Saiyans. I love his character development, even if he is a little overused, its so cool that he's evolving as a villain. I just hope the writers keep to that theme and don't just suddenly have him undergo some regression back to his old Namek Saga personality and mindset out of the blue, that'd be such a waste. Hell I could even see him being semi-graceful in defeat as Vegeta or Beerus erase him, like he'd be pissed that he ultimately failed, but also just accept his final failure with some dignity and even a smile; that'd be such a badass way for him to go out, no tricks, no excuses, just acceptance.
Lets be honest his Namek saga mindset and personality is what made him so famous in the first place so why do you hope he’s not going back to that?
@@purgeblue it could be that he wants a character arc
@@purgeblue I think because there’s a slight difference. In the Namek arc he was the uncontested authority in the galaxy bar none, who had never faced serious adversity and that underneath his professional, cold exterior was a bit of a brat who never, ever had to try. So it would make sense, having been humbled so many times that he would mature and make peace with having to be more earnest. E.g. after the Broly movie, there was no denial or reckless self-endangerment; he just conceded defeat and left quietly. Something that he was previously incapable of doing
In short, Frieza behaves like the mature ruler he had portrayed himself more genuinely, mainly because he has actual peers to hold him accountable for his actions. In a sense, having to work for his goals made him emotionally stronger.
Edit: some grammar corrections. Just generally, as much as I didn't like Rez F, it did establish Frieza gradually becoming an interesting character.
He wasn't wrong about the majority of them. The Saiyans were a brutal, warlike, and overtly ambitious race.
@@richardshiflett5181 actually, a lot of Saiyans weren't even capable of turning great apes. Some of them can't fight. There are intelligent yet weak worker Saiyans shown in the Broly movie. Some literally use snipers instead of ki blasts. Some are just chill scared aliens. There are PACIFISTS in the so called warrior race. They aren't one stereotype like we used to think. There's a variety of Saiyans just like humans.
Frieza did something that very few villains usually do - he learned from the protagonists. And it's gonna make so much more dangerous in the future.
I mean just imagine Goku's and Vegeta's drive for improving themselves combined with Frieza's intellect.
And potential
What about Cell?
Few? Piccolo Vegeta Buu Beerus Zeno(sort of)
@@Gazpacho834 Cell didn't really learn anything from Goku. At least nothing that would develop him as character. He stayed true to his original methods from start to end.
@@Empixity Well Piccolo and Vegeta became good guys, so of course they would gain MC traits. Frieza is still a villain, not even anti hero, which is gonna remain (I hope). Buu from the begining didn't have that good of a grasp of good and evil. And he also became a good guy in the end. Beerus is not evil, more neutral. And Zeno never really acted like villain, also neutral. I'm not sure if he even learned something (didn't follow super as closely as Z)
Goku: "You must be Dark Frieza! Or maybe Nega Frieza! Azeirf!"
Black Frieza: "You done?"
Goku: "Frieza is the New Black."
Black Frieza: *punches him in the gut*
You meant « Freezer »?
@@algalax2 no
@@RamielEdits In abridged Goku calls Frieza Freezer
@@David_Barney I'm aware, lol
Does that mean that Frieza Black is a good guy?
Masako's sneaky way of calling Frieza a monkey
And filthy too.
And a rat too
Overgrown rat
@@MasakoX from all the possible comments to reply to. lol
So you tryna say black is filthy and monkey like 💀
Frieza has kinda become the Vader of Dragonball for me recently, in that while the fandom is really divisive and vocal about the things they don't like, they seem to be the one character most fans agree has stayed consistent over the years. I was really disappointed when he replaced Buu in the top but he ended up being my favorite character in that arc, whenever he was on screen he stole the show and since then I get excited whenever he pops up. As for the new form I do agree that it's pretty safe, but I think it works, it suits him more than a golden form atleast.
You mean the emperor
Resurrection F kinda make him a laughing stock. Tbh that movie never should've be made and Freeza should have had a proper reintroduction to the franchise
@@unsavedprogress1419 facts if it wasn’t for tournament of power I would not care about freezer that arc brought is character back
@@unsavedprogress1419 It would've been crazy if in RoF, Frieza just stayed in the shadows biding his time, no 4 month nonsense, but actual years of training, even in a time chamber, and as time goes on he observes all of Goku and Vegeta's adventures via spy drones, keeping track of their progress and what they've overcome. The audience would know he's out there, but not Goku and co, only for his incognito act to be ruined by Whis revealing he's alive again when the ToP come around and the heroes are like "Wait, Frieza's alive, WTF?!" Thus Beerus gives him the "Fight to save our universe" speech and he's like "Well, I wanted to keep myself and my new power hidden awhile longer, but this sounds important so I'm in."
got to love fans homer stays the same "this is bad character development" frieza stays the same "this is good character development.
Love how Lythero "predicted" this form about a month before it was introduced.
Quote from Broly: "BLACK?!"
As mid as 95% of the Granolah arc seriously was, I do appreciate that it made Frieza not only relevant as a villain again, but also made him a genuine threat and imposing force of nature, just like he was on Namek, while also giving him some really cool and interesting character-development on top. This is RoF done in the right way.
It's so funny how Granolah got the spotlight stolen from him by Vegeta, Goku, Gas, Bardock and even Frieza of all people.
Frieza becoming everything he hated is gold. Pun intended. Seeing him embrace the need to push and test himself ever since. And it makes sense that hed leave goku and vegeta alive. He now understands the value of having someone there to push him. But then that means it will inevitably be his downfall the way those consequences have always chased the saiyans
I can only imagine the amount of faith and strength it took frieza to put his ego aside, and actually admit he needed to train to become stronger. because he has always looked at training as a unnecessary inferior activity only meant for monkeys and weaklings. lol
For me. This is 100% on brand for Frieza. He sees the BBEG beating down the Saiyans. Claps out said BBEG, then 1 shots both Saiyans in their highest forms. He then shows off his new form, laughs at the 'stupid monkeys' and peaces out. He may as well have said "Later nerds" before flying away.
I do love that Frieza is slowly becoming a Martial Artist, the same way most people become one, through physical and mental effort. His inner ideals will change, because every fighter is the same, they want a good fight.
He also could have learned from the Tournament of Power, that the gods want the universes run a certain way, and he is changing his empire to reflect that. Build up together, not destroy and leave blank.
The scariest part is of Frieza's maturation, is he didn't just get smarter in how he handles things; he's gotten a taste of accomplishment that can only be derived through actual hard work and effort. And he liked it, he enjoys the boon of his efforts, and as he hints in the manga before dipping off, he has more important things to take care of than Goku and Vegeta right now. Whis hinting that there is potentially another strongest in the universe as well as Frieza stating there is nothing in the universe he doesn't know about, while that may be boasting to some extent beyond his actual knowledge, I think he has matured to a point where he is less likely to boast far beyond his capabilities as he did before and during the tournament of power. Having seen the growth of Goku and Vegeta, and experienced his own growth, I think he is much more in touch with his capabilities than he was before.
Whatever the next arc brings, I don't think Frieza is going to be the big bad of the events, not that he is going to be a good guy, but I think he's reached a point where he is important enough to the ongoing story, he will continue to be a continued threat, but not the direct villain of concern. He's basically given Goku and Vegeta a push towards needing to train and get stronger again. It's an interesting notion but Frieza in his ten years of training in the room of spirit and time that he found, he may have reached a point he couldn't cross, a plateau, and he could be expecting Goku and Vegeta to grow to give himself another push past his limits as well.
I could be looking too deep into it all but, it's fun to theorize, while they take a break and prepare for the next arc.
Seeing Black Frieza really has me hoping for a match between him and Beerus. As I do agree was Masako that Beerus will likely still come out on top but that Frieza will force him to actually put in real effort to do so. Make Beerus sweet a little and show just how close he is to being unthroned, especially if Frieza really put his mind to it instead of running his company.
He is stronger i believe considering he beat Goku in his MUI form and Vegeta in his Ultra Ego, with MUI being stronger than beerus easily and Ultra ego would put up a good fight as its a destroyer level in a way. So for Frieza to topple both of them easily means that Beerus would lose
@@purgeblue I wouldn't say easily. Especially as we've no idea how strong Beerus really is, plus he said it himself that Whis was his master.
So while Goku and Vegeta have been training with Whis, there is nothing to say that Beerus also hasn't been training, especially as he had to consider how strong Goku was becoming and then teach Vegeta the basics of Ultra Ego as well.
Beerus having grown would make tons of sense and maybe even more now that he knows what Frieza has been up to.
@@LupineShadowOmega we know that Goku is stronger cause his MUI is stronger than Beerus who’s not close to master it, and Jiren is stronger than gods of destruction, so much in fact that it took an angel lever of power to beat him
@@purgeblue Not how that works. At least the bit about Mastering UI. UI is a technique and not a power level. Goku mastering it wasn't about him being stronger than Beerus, it was about him figuring out how it worked and doing the thing. As for Jiren, he's stronger than a god of Destruction, not all gods of Destruction. They even actively made the distinction, especially in the manga, that all GoDs aren't just some uniform level of power. They're stronger and weaker individually and Beerus is a pretty big deal among them.
And again that was before he had to face how strong both Goku and Vegeta were getting.
@@purgeblue From what we have seen Beerus show off I would agree but I feel Beerus is lazy in even showing off his full potential otherwise I can't help feeling Whis would not be holding off switching out for a better God of Destruction.
A black form of Frieza kinda fits in with his races whole "Cold" theme. Anyone ever heard of "black ice"? It's thin patches of ice that form on roads during freezing rain and snow storms.
And I've seen black Frieza race OCs named Black Ice. Predominantly a let's play of Dragon Ball Xenoverse 1 where the let's player made a "Black Ice" character for their playthrough.
Also, absolute zero. The point where all energy is removed, including light.
Maybe Golden Freeza was based on yellow snow🤔
@@montecristosmith2343 🤨🤢
@@montecristosmith2343 don't eat yellow snow
@@montecristosmith2343 I always thought Golden Frieza looked like the Oscar statues actors win
I absolutely LOVE this analysis of Frieza's development so far for the future of Dragon Ball Super. Personally, it isn't just the power gap that intrigues me about this but also how Frieza, moving forward, is going to play mind games with Goku and Vegeta (maybe Gohan and his new form gains could help fill in this gap of mental gymnastics?).
I feel like over the course of super Frieza has slowly gone from chaotic evil to chaotic neutral, and I'm all for that
Eh more like from chaotic/neutral evil now solidly into lawful evil like his daddy dearest
@@Charisonic_558 I don't really feel like he's as evil as he used to be, but after watching the video I do agree he's gone less chaotic too. After taking the points made into consideration I think on a chart he'd be right on the cross between true neutral, lawful neutral, neutral evil and lawful evil
@@lilithkitsune7152 I don't think you know what evil means using this chart system
@@amiasg9305 That's fair, I often make mistakes and maybe this is one of them x3
Black Airforce Frieza is looking to be my favorite form of his.
Lol
I'm still waiting for it to go full circle back to white frieza like black haired goku
Wait did they make one already
Epic reveal
I'm actually glad they didn't change his appearance except his color because his final form is actually the coolest of them all.
Not gonna lie...Frieza saved this saga for me. It wasn't Bardocks wish. It wasn't Ultra instinct mastered/ Ego whatever. It was an evil emperor just doing what he does best- one punch manning everything with a smirk on his face!
Frieza has become the very thing he swore to destroy
Bro took it toooooooooooo far
@@AnimeEditKing come one we’re all thinking it tbf
@@Killerspawn560 lol
My theory is Whis wanted to make Frieza the next god of destruction.
He has the potential, the killer instinct, and he basically was doing beerus job while he was asleep
Not gonna lie, I absolutely love what they've done with Frieza at this point. The parallels feel very natural, but funnily enough, he is now in a pretty similar position to where Vegeta was in the Cell Saga - the "I don't like you but because I don't like you you motivate me to be better than you" phase. He even said as much in the ToP, but to see it actually come to fruition is really cool. And the fact that this is largely a function of simply him becoming more mature, the fact that he just grew up and stopped being childish about everything, that he put his pride away, is the cherry on top.
I don't want this Frieza to ultimately "turn good," because having an antagonistic parallel to Vegeta, and especially _because_ he parallels Vegeta in particular so well, is really interesting. It's a bit strange to think, though, that this stalemate might just go on because all three characters are so popular, I don't want that, but I also don't want to lose this power-balance.
Solid discussion video, gives some good food for thought!
This! I want Frieza to merge the galactic defense force and the frieza Empire, create The Imperium Of Frieza, and take over the universe (both mortal and celestial realms, including hell).
Who knows, he may get his revenge on Beerus for making frieza feel inferior for hundreds of years.
These discussion videos you make Masako is the reason why I believe you are one of the most neutral Dragon Ball TH-camrs out there. And just like Mr. Perfect Cell, I tip my crown to you.
Mr. SUPER perfect cell
I still would've preferred if he had achieved his own Fifth Form version. I want more physical changes, not just color. I mean, he could have Fifth Form with black color to emphasize it's way more stronger than Cooler's.
Agree. Bring back the horns.
Maybe they saving it for Cooler's return if they aren't doing any physical changes that I actually wished to see in Frieza's new form. I would have liked it a lot, Frieza would look so cool if not cooler than Cooler. (No pun intended)
how is he meant to create an anti suppressant, his forms are to suppress his power, he can't unsuppress what is already unsuppressed
@@theonetruefusion8533 What do you mean? Frieza's transformations don't have to be suppressants. Golden/Black Frieza are transformations and they're not suppressants, they're power ups.
@@theclown5763 yes, they’re power ups of his base, but this “fifth form” would mean it’s an anti suppression, those who made the cooler movie probably thought friezas first form was his base
I already picked up on that idea. He always considered him to be beyond sayain. But now he realizes this training thing may actually exalt him far beyond what he currently is.
"Why should I listen to my father and avoid threats like buu or beerus?"
"I will write my legacy in the cosmos itself."
I'm hoping friezas main goal this time around is to make beerus pay for making him kneel down to him so many years ago. it probably still hunts frieza in his dreams.
I feel like how quickly frieza has been able to catch up and surpass really shows what has been said time and time again. He’s a prodigy. He’s one who can reach these insane level of power with comparatively MUCH less training
yep, all the pieces are there to justify why he can do this kinds of power ups with little time.
The way Frieza comes out with his new transformations, it almost feels as if he (and possibly his race) can choose their new forms. If not choose, at least guide. Additionally, his means of acquiring transformations seems to run counter to Goku and most other Saiyans - While Goku (usually) acquires new power because he needs to in order to win, Frieza has to dedicate sheer effort and training alone to acquire new power. It's happened with his last two forms now.
Pretty sure he can customize his transformations. He explicitly said he picked "gold" for Golden Frieza to mock up the golden look of a Super Sayian.
@@agnuswulf yep
Yeah someone else mentioned in the manga frieze also confirms he can manipulate the look of his form.
*Frieza transforms into black Frieza*
Zoro: *YOU WERE THE CHOSEN ONE*
*You were supposed to destroy the saiyans, not join them!*
Well it make sense from the look of it Black frieza Black Ice,Also The Color of natural Saiyan Color mean Unlimited Potential similar to Ultra Instinct Silver and Ultra Ego Purple
Actually, if you pay attention to the panel where Freeza strikes Gas, he transformed for a split second (puling out a Vegeta in the manga), but it is unclear that he transformed into gold or black.
its beens confirmed, he did it all in his final base form, just like when he punched goku and vegeta too.
I think the main reason Frieza let's Goku and Vegeta live, is to rectify his first mistake, of Never Training. He never had someone more powerful then him, and if all it took was a flick of a finger to destroy a planet, why need to get stronger? If Frieza had trained just partially though out his life, he would've offed the Z-fighters on Namek no questions asked.
If frieza became golden in 6 months of training, that would mean all he needed was to train 1 month or less to become stronger then a saiyan in the namek saga.
I absolutely love how freeza is maturing...he knows neither of them are vein enough to extend their lives with the dragonballs as well and he now realizes they helped him alot more than they ever harmed him through their actions. Now Im just imagining both sayian in their 70s (if the story is still the same sayians peak at 80, and its all downhill after that) and here comes frieza debating should he finish them off now or later, since he still has gas in the tank while they are reaching their ultimate peak.
Frieza basically said *If I can’t beat them, Why not join them*
Yeah, and he became a thousand times stronger because of it. He now understands how training and dedication can pay off in the long run.
I find Frieza's development really interesting because he's still 100% evil even if his character changes.
I've seen it said before, and it's coming to mind again, Frieza would make a good God of Destruction. His development from "These monkeys upset me, blow up the planet" to "These monkeys make me grow stronger! Let me fight them again!" really shows not just his power potential, but his character potential as well.
reemplazaria a bills
Ahem.. Frieza Noir, that is all.
It'd be very fun to see Frieza just become friends with the rest of the group to be able and freely beat around the saiyans while having an afternoon latte or some such and normally conversing with the others.
Basically a second beerus at that point.
Pan and Bura growing up with uncle Beerus, uncle Frieza and uncle Piccolo.
The merriest of bunches.
I could see him eating fancy finger foods… wait does Frieza eat?
Nah I really don’t want frieza to become a good guy. It would destroy his entire character. He’s been evil since the day he was born, he should be evil even in death, cause that’s lord frieza.
@@jlopez240gaming7 Being evil is a character trait, not a character.
@@jlopez240gaming7 i mean, he was evil in death. Twice
@@jlopez240gaming7 and that clearly didn’t work out for him
I think I would have been okay with "Diamond Frieza," but Black makes him seem so much scarier. I'm *scared* of Black Frieza.
Goku and Vegeta have created their own worst enemy, one they might not be able to beat... Interesting.
I don't know why the concept of Frieza simply training for once is so compelling!
12:50 The idea of Goku/Vegeta not being proactive gave me the idea of Vegeta going back to his Early Z roots... Going on a one-man quest across space trying to hunt down Frieza and put him down. All as his more restrained hero self though! And, imagine him grappling with some old killer tendancies??
Honestly, I would've preferred him to have a different look rather than just a 2nd coat of paint. You know, keep in line with his race and what we originally saw on Namek (and in the first Cooler movie because I don't care what anyone says, Cooler's final form was the most awesome form from his race ever) rather than just copying the Saiyans and just changing color.
I read it as "I'm scared of black people." lol.
I think that while Frieza still hates sayjinns. He can appreciate having Goku and vegeta out there as a yard stick and motivator. Plus I imagine part of him, even if he'll never admit it, is enjoying the game they're playing now.
'Hey Monkies look what i've gooot!'
Gutpunch. Leave.
He's secure in the knowledge that both Goku and vegeta have what, maybe another twenty or so years in them? Maybe less. And while yes they have given him several major setbacks. They've also forced him to reevaluate himself and his own mentality. Ironically pounding home lessons Cold probably wanted him to learn of patiance and taking a long view.
I respect people who put effort to become better and stronger through training and dedication.
I mean you’re not wrong. I’m just glad I’m not the only 1 thinking that
King Cold: YOU BECAME THE VERY THING YOU SWORE TO DESTROY!
He became the thing he swore to destroy
Ironic that Frieza became what he hated: Saiyans.
Goku black and Sb2 moment:
I could imagine Frieza shotting Masako with a death beam for this comment. "What did you just call me?"
I see Frieza now like a Space Maffia. He does his own business, but if someone tries to stop him or disturb him by getting there unwelcome than mostly that it won't end well for them.
I really like this development for Frieza. We saw early signs of it during the ToP, and so far, Toyotaro hasn’t disappointed. I never thought I would say this, but Frieza’s actually starting to become my favorite character now.
Masako: "Black is always cool and never goes out of style"
Also Masako: *IS WEARING BLACK*
Slick, masako. Deceptively slick.
Frieza's shift to lawful evil is something I've been hoping they'd do with his character for a while now. Who knows we'll see him challenge Beerus too
Frieza to Whis: "Are you sure about this? I have no intention of changing my evil ways"
Let's see if that was some REAL foreshadowing down the line.
A tiny nitpick with the reasoning for the "consequences of your actions" section of the video, but wasn't Beerus the one responsible for Frieza being resurrected at the end of the ToP, not Whis? Whis was the one that PERFORMED the resurrection, yes, but iirc, Whis said directly afterward that it was a request from Lord Beerus for his (Frieza's) performance in the tournament.
I got to say, the wish for power to be the strongest is bad written but it actually a genius move
I like idea that doesn’t mean he will maintain that title and he CAN be surpassed. He was just made the strongest at that point. I thought that was a nice way to do that. It’s not quite a monkey’s paw cuz what he wanted didn’t backfire or anything
The old Frieza was motivated by fear. He was born with incredible power, but he feared that the Saiyans would get stronger and overthrow him. His fears and insecurities led to his downfall.
The new Frieza is no longer afraid. His power at birth is not his peak, and he can always train and get stronger, just like the Saiyans. And now he knows what kind of people the Saiyans are. They love fighting, and will keep allowing him to get away and get stronger.
It's been several years since I've seen any of your content. Team Fourstar helped me through the hardest time I've been through so far. You kept me laughing when I couldn't find humor in life anywhere. Great character breakdown here, I really haven't even been keeping up with dragon ball anymore, but this was nice, a chance to sit and see where you are today, Masako.
I must say that, after his disappointing return in Resurrection F, I think that Frieza's development is one of the thing that modern DB did best.
I disagree with those that claim that he is following the usual "face turn" that we have consistently been seeing throughout all of DB, as Frieza has not become a good or well intentioned guy by any means, he has simply evolved his evil ways. Which makes sense, given all his experiences from the Namek saga onwards: his arrogance and entitlement has led him to defeat too many times not to learn from that, and he understood that he needs to work hard and not be rash if he wants to remain the top dog in the universe, which is something that his position as galactic emperors somewhat requires.
Not just galactic, universal.
"I'm Lord Frieza! I'm insane! From Planet Frieza-001!"
Goku & Vegeta: "He means Saiyan..."
Frieza: I wonder if I can turn SS3?
Frieza: Look upon me, monkeys! Do try to keep up with my power and give me a good challenge later!!
Vegeta: Did.... did he just pull a Kakarot?
Goku: Yep.
Black Frieza looks Pure Unadulterated Badass
"More like pure unadulterated ego."
Imagine Frieza pulling up to Earth and a rap version of maximum the hormone F is blaring from the ship.
Hey Masako Are You Gonna Put Black Frieza On Revelation F?
Frieza Black is kinda the revese of Super Saiyan when you think about it, Super Saiyan was made to save ink by making their hairs white, Frieza Black's legs eats more ink since it's black
I’m hyped to see more of Frieza
8:46 cooler: “you have allowed these filthy monkeys to twist your mind until you have become the very thing you swore to destroy”
This still makes me wonder though since he hasn't gotten the same chances: could Cell (not Cell Max, the original) through training have gotten to powers similar or even beyond Frieza? I mean, he does have both Saiyan and Frieza's DNA in him, so the potential would be there I think.
He would have had ridiculous potential
Cause Saiyan DNA (including Gohan) and Frieza DNA
@@ENVreal funny how if you have basic biollogy knowledge this is an Phs degree level essy you wrote there buddy🤗✋
@@piotrrekos187 smartest dragon ball fan
@@tasr1233 honestly how it feels these days. Modern dragon ball fan here, db fans look really dumb from the outside, and slightly less dumb when in the community.
I don't think so.
Cell is not pure Saiyan or pure Frieza species. He may have some traits like Zenkai's and breathing in space but the human DNA might limit him in unlocking power rivaling gods.
Also, Gero's design for him never went beyond perfect form. He might get stronger through training but the way he is engineered means he hits a wall eventually as he gets no transformation to give him a power boost, unless someone somehow modifies him to change his physical biology again like after absorbing 17 and 18.
I’m just imagining Black Frieza doing the Jay Cutler quad stomp. Also, off topic, but I’m madly in love with Bulla.
Frieza was begging for the N word pass
Masako to Freiza now:
*You’ve become the very thing you swore to destroy!*
In the end, Frieza was Goku and Goku was Frieza.
I really like where super is heading. Black Frieza is a freaking monster and could see gohan surpassing goku and vegeta even further than this new beast mode in order to deal with frieza's Black form.
In Resurrection F Frieza trained for 4 months, then in the anime it was revealed he trained with a partner to reach his Golden form. The real question now is; who was strong enough to las 10 years training with Frieza?
Ui shaggy?
Now both Frieza and Goku are insanes from Universe 7.
I always thought there was a parallel between Frieza's transformations and credit cards. Black being the highest tier.
Mans been raking in that premium card
That thumbnail lol "Frieza: - I'm a what?" Lmao🤣🤣🤣
Black Frieza looks amazing
Judging on the title, I don't like where this is going
Now based on the video...
Good video
9/10
The most important question we need to ask ourselves now is: does Frieza get a pass?
Yes
Man is the embodiment of the pass
I don't think Frieza would care about having a pass or not.
@@yocapo32 that's right.........
HE IS THE GOD DAMN PASS
5:17 that whole section had an old school Yu-Gi-Oh! manga vibe. Rest in piece Kazuki Takahashi.
Future Trunks: "Don't hold your fire! ..."
Freeza: Popo form.
Scary thing Frieza having a time chamber implies: Frieza might have a nemekian with the ability to make dragonballs on his side now.
Fun thing Frieza's new disposition implies: if he's more willing to hire just about anyone, that opens up the possibility that not only some GT villains could work for him, but convicts from the Moro arc. And it gives Dragonball something it's kinda been missing for a while. Focus.
Basic Freeza need Goku and Vegeta, they motivate him to be stronger and he motivate them to get stronger they got this wierd symbiotic relationship that they need eachother.
Black Air Force Frieza lol
Frieza and a character from FFXIV share a lot in common now, Zenos. The two just are villains though the difference is one wants to rule, one just wants a challenge, but Frieza seems to be sitting in that boat now too, I love it lol
I think it's more like frieza mature, and realize he can exist together with goku vegeta etc, as long he don't distrub them. And having them alive is more benefit as motivation to grow stronger.
Wow…
FRIEZA IS BLAAAAACK
The big question is, is this going to mean that freeza takes on a kind of anti-villain role at some point in the future?
I like this idea. He’s evil but also is political. He runs an empire, wants things, and can be bargained with
Frieza the last character we would think would get character development
Frizgga
Let’s goooo, we finally got to see you do the abridged Goku voice
I can't wait for Black Gold Frieza. It'd be pretty cool to see.
I legitimately thought Black Frieza was a reference to black gold, since in terms of "rank", black gold is a higher ranking than gold
@@marksamson4173 Well, we may get the see that in canon then if that's the case.
Frieza gonna pop up from nowhere like a creepy neighbor that pops on top of the fence
You know.... back in middle school when the Android / Cell Saga was coming out on Toonami I made up my own super saiyan transformation I called it Super Saiyan Black where the aura around the saiyan was black the hair was white and the eye color was dark red, Goku found this transformation while training for Cell in the time chamber with Gohan.... I even took one of my DBZ Coloring books and traced battle damaged Super Saiyan Goku from Namek and colored it with the idea of the Super Saiyan black. I also made up a story about a female Saiyan some how being off planet when frieza blew up Planet Vegeta and they went to earth trying to take it over but Vegeta stopped her from taking over his new home planet... man I haven't thought about these 2 storylines in years but I'm glad to share the ideas with you Masako 😊 well I hope you enjoyed my ramblings
I haven't read Super since the Moro arc ended and this showed up in my feed.
Just binged through the whole last arc and man was it worth it. Black Frieza is so cool