No, need class 2A or 2. Such a pointless investment. U keep the money buy physical gold better and save it for rainy days or pass to ur kids. KnS, kena 1 covid 19 again sure kalang kabut sell
I used to ride a R1200R (2015) for about 2+ years before moving onto a car, and I couldn't be happier with my bike. It's the heaviest bike I've ever had, and I'm pretty sure I'm smaller size and less strong than the guy in the video. But I've never had any real problems handling my bike. Oh, and my bike was heavier than stock cos I added 3 storage boxes to it - 1 top and 2 side boxes. My bike never went across the Causeway at all. All her mileage was done in Singapore. I always parked tail-in because it's easier to warn traffic behind you that you're stopping soon to park and oncoming traffic will know to give you some space since they now know you're coming to a stop soon. It's in their interest to move aside so they can keep going rather than being held up by you. Many SG drivers are selfish and time-conscious. So use that to your advantage. Exiting a carpark going down a slope.....never ever ride past the card reader. If you really find yourself in the same situation as shown in the video, don't even try to reverse the bike. Just put in gear, turn off engine, get off the bike, tap your cashcard, get back on and go. Because you know you can't push the bike in reverse. It's not your arms pushing, it's your legs. And you're pushing with your legs getting little contact with the ground. If you get off to use your arms, then you might as well go tap the reader since you're already getting off. Much faster, easier, and more comfortable. I also had a Katana 750 back in the mid-90s, and a CB750 around 2008-2010. From small bikes to big bikes, I've had roadsters (aka street bikes), sports bikes, sports tourers, scooters and cruisers (aka choppers). No trail bikes cos not my thing. But I did try riding my friend's KTM around campus. Super light compared to my bikes. Class 2B, 2A and 2 all got their own pros and cons. But also, you need to learn how to adapt to the differences of riding each class of bike. Even within the same class, different types of bikes will present different challenges, handling characteristics, etc etc, so to be able to fully enjoy the bike you ride, you need to know how to adjust yourself. I'm not claiming to be an expert on big bikes, or saying that I'm more experienced than the guy in the video. But I'm just trying to say that for me, I don't have the same issues/grumbles/complaints that he has about riding a Class 2 bike in Singapore. If you really like a certain big bike, and you can afford it, go for it after doing your due diligence. I know for a fact that the respective authorised agents for Harley and BMW do have test bikes for prospective buyers to test ride, so if you're concerned about the weight, you can consider checking them out to help in your decision-making.
you sound like me except i never had a GS 1200. because i am only 1.68m and weak knees prevent me from getting tall bikes. i think if i ever ride a gs1200 and had to stop at the park gentry, i would die from heart attack.
Honda ADV150 owner here. I crossed the border into Malaysia for the first time with my bike a few weeks ago and I honestly cannot imagine doing it in a larger Class 2 bike. Scooters really reign supreme in city-start-stop traffic.
You forgot to mention 1 very important point. The maintenance of class 2 bike. If it’s a daily rider, class 2b bike is 4x cheaper to perform the oil change as it only uses 1l compare to 4l for class 2 machine.
I do oil change once a year on my KTM Adventure R. Oil filter $7. 4 liter Motorex 10w50 $110. every 2 years I flush my own brake fluid…brake fluid is $15. I do my maintenance myself. TH-cam.
Not really, most biker go for boutique oil like motul, ipone... Way over hype. That the main reason with high maintenance. I DIY and using diesel engine oil for my wet clutches bike.Make sure is for diesel use as it does not contain frictional modifier. My class 2 tracer 900 DIY oil and oil filter are less than 30 sgd per oil change 5k interval.
Happened to a friend. Finally got a Class 2 and saved up enough to buy dream big bike, then planned to sell his old kapcai. A few commutes on the big bike later, and he was back on his kapcai. That kapcai that he got years ago when he first got his 2B is still the bike he rides 90% of the time, an actual practical mode of transport. His big "dream bike" ended up being just a toy to enjoy on weekends.
Super 4 is light and punchy enough. For Singapore roads, it's more than adequate. Used to ride an FJR too and encountered the same problems as you. But on Malaysian highways it's a bliss to ride, 150, 160 cruise control, windshield up and super stable, I didn't even feel the thrill of speed. Now I'm back to a lighter bike, Kawasaki z900rs. It's Super 4 upsized that's all. Think iI'll stay with that for a while.
The short answer is definitely no. Most of the time a Class 2A bike is more than enough, so someone would have to think very carefully if they’re ready to pay for the increased road tax, increased sticker price, less efficient engine and all the other things you mentioned in the video. Maybe owning for a year or two just to experience the thrill of it, impress your family & friends and all the looks you’ll get from the public, but most people just downgrade back to a simple 2B scooter or bike for daily commutes because it’s more practical.
I personally believe in keeping within your budget. I noticed riders going way beyond what they can afford,when it comes to buying C2 bikes. Repairs are so costly, that oftentimes you'll be spending in the 4 digits. Keep the cost low so you can enjoy riding the bike worry free.
2:00 . Biggest nightmare when riding a Class 2 bikes. Especially a big or tall one like the Africa Twin. Even on a colder day, you're bound to sweat from the anxiety. 😂😂
I've ridden 2 different Class 2 bikes in Singapore on short stints while visiting and I could feel the anxiety when he goes down the slope towards the auto ticket gantry. Impossible to back out, hard to u-turn safely on a tall heavy bike, cars coming up behind you blocking you in, and I would say about 50% of the time the gate wouldn't work for me (double-checked my NETS card correctly inserted, has balance etc). Glad to see this is not an unusual occurrence! I thought I just had bad luck.
I recently downgraded from a 650cc touring bike to a 250cc maxi scooter. One of my best decisions. I travel to and fro KL almost every single day and automatic bikes are a life saver.
Half the time u are stuck behind a car in traffic. try to land split during rush hour at any expressway is risky. If most of your journey is overseas in msia or Thai highways, then is a good idea. Coming from a msian that in out daily in Sg.
I'm from penang ..Same struggle bro..i totally loath riding in the island..traffic is horrendous..too many traffic lights and too many narrow lanes..luckily, in malaysia, it doesn't cost much to own another smaller 'kapcai' (underbone) as a 2nd bike
Agreed Bro ! I’m from Penang too … sold my Triumph Speed Twin 1200 early this year (it’s not suitable for long distance ride) & bought a smaller bike Suzuki V-Strom 650XT. But for short distance, city ride, ride around Penang island or any distance below 100km - I’ll ride my Honda ADV160 … very comfortable, agile & easy to squeeze “cilok” in our Penang massive traffic jam 😆😂👍
Even with all the disadvantages mentioned in the video, I really really loved my AT and Tracer. I've never thought of downgrading to a smaller bike. With owning a big bike, you just have to be mindful of where you stop and how you park.
@@naqibezwnxx I would say the most remarkable thing about AT is the bulletproof engine and how comfortable it is on uneven roads. The 21" front wheel goes over bumps, potholes, curbs, etc. If you always cruise at more than 180km/h tho, Tracer has the top end power and redline for that.
Getting stuck at a downslope gantry really sucks big time. For me, riding MT09 on SG roads is the perfect bike for me. Nimble enough for lane filtering, plenty of power to siam sticky situation and you can move your bike to park like a 2B bike. But my previous bike TMAX, albeit super comfy, i am super nervous when lane filtering and its so much heavier compared to MT09 even though its 530cc vs 847cc.
I own a MT09 too! It's the most nimble class 2 bike and I enjoy riding it thoroughly. I need to ride around singapore where certain areas have big trucks, long vehicles and hence not very safe for a small bike as I will sway if they drive past me.
@@Risquenemo Not really. I believe it's almost the same as any other Class 2 bikes out there. The fuel consumption is very good for a 900cc. I get about 23+km/litre of fuel.
I ride a R6 and ffs everything mentioned in the video is exactly what I feel rn. Just to add on, maybe specifically for higher cc sport bikes.. it's almost Impossible to keep within sg speed limits even on expressways, the heat will creep in on the thighs unless you go fast. It's a pain to ride big bikes in Singapore, must cross border to really appreciate the larger displacement.. I also ride an aerox as my daily and I couldn't agree more with you, scooters are really a game changer in city riding 🤣
100% right. The problem in Singapore is the cost of owning a vehicle. It is difficult to own 2, one for local rides and one for long distance ride. I owned a VFR400R, a Pegaso 650 and a ST1100 in Singapore before shifting to cars due to family reason. Out of the 3, my favorite one was the ST100. It was big but light as soon as I was moving due to the very low CG. Finding suitable parking spaces was most challenging. But it was able to do everything. Later in Thailand, leaving in Bangkok, I bought a NMax which I found is the perfect tool for squeezing into the traffic (a lot more packed than in Singapore) but this machine starts to feel limited on highway and make you feel vulnerable. Later I rented a Xmax in Singapore. That could be the ideal size for Singapore. Pretty small but with enough power and presence to feel alright on the expressways. Main limitation of scooters is the suspension and riding position that make them tiring, at least to me. Over the past few weeks I have been riding a 390 Duke. 400cc bikes could be the sweet spot between fun and reason. But going Malaysia and beyond, I would want a big bike.
Having the same problems with my GSA in SG. Thats why i always have to plan if I want to ride my GSA in SG, which parking to go for, will ban those especially gantry with slope, but for me I still keep my Xmax which mainly for work and SG ride.
Agree with everything being said . I had bikes from every class. My next bike is probably class 2a scooter for easy riding. Class 2 was fun when it’s moving but you have to stop a lot of times. That is not fun.
Thanks for the video. Was deciding between a Yamaha Tracer 7, Tracer 9, and Niken and though I was already heavily leaning towards the 7, this video has helped nail it down. I ride almost everyday and plan to do some touring and feel these bikes fit the task well enough. Though everyone says the CP3 engine is really nice, I think I'll settle with the CP2 since my priorities are daily riding in Singapore rather than the touring capabilities or sporty riding with the bigger bike. (plus I think the squinty lights from the T7 looks better). On top of that, there are plenty of comparisons on the net that shows the recent Tracer 9 has some quirks like wind buffeting issues, tendency to stall, overly stiff suspension, and much more that the smaller brother does not appear to have.
Agreed. I’m riding a Xsr900. Although bike dimension is small and I can manoeuvre it no problem, the heat is real, and i usually only use 10% of the throttle
I'm riding a tracer 7 2021 model, daily use, CP2. Decent power to ride in SG road. Easy to lane spilitting. Maintenance wise is cheaper than a S4, uses 2.3 Litre of engine oil, 17 litres can reach 350km+. The only con is a parallel import. So far no problems
I ride a Tracer 9 daily, coming from CB400X. Buffeting not really an issue unless you are overly tall but the clutch is a tad sensitive so I did stall a couple of times before because of this. Suspension is fantastic for the 9 but I think the biggest complaint for me about the 9 is that its overly low as the exhaust is tucked under the engine itself. So I do end up scraping the exhaust if I go too fast or with pillion on some higher than usual humps notably the one at CIQ Tuas. For daily riding though, the 7 is good enough. In terms of maneuvering, the 9 is just as maneuverable or even better than the CB400X coz it has a shorter wheel base (which also means your pillion is closer to you).
The most vivid memory I have that prompted me to get a class 2: I was overtaking a Malaysian bus on lane 1 with a pillion, and then, the bus started cutting into my lane. Pressing on the horn did nothing. Not sure whether to brake or to accelerate, I chose to accelerate, and with the meagre power a class 2B can afford, I barely made it out. That is why I ride a class 2. Personally, will never go back to 2B for safety reasons.
Quite a few years back, I owned and rode a Rocket III Classic. Super comfortable, Very stable, Mega HOT!!! At the same time I still have a, even today, an old BMW R1200C, which has very unfortunately been handed a death sentenced by NEA even though it more than meets the emission requirements. While both are large by Class 2 bike standards, both handle very well with low center of gravity, the Rocket is a behemoth compared to the BMW. For day to day city use, I miss my previous bike a Class 2A Super 4 Spec III. Easy to lane split, park almost anywhere, just about enough power to get out of sticky situations in SG, and even for short forays across the Causeway.
@@IanCorneliusLai Thanks Ian, what's your take on the Super 4? Your plus points, as you did state some of the advantages. What's the main thing do you really like about it, and the things that you DON'T miss about it? Thanks very much again for your response. My impression of a Super 4, when I was in my twenties (no bike license - sounded like a dream). When learning 2A, found the throttle really sensitive, still learning 2A and beginning to love it except the heat make meat balls of me... Anyway, old learner here.
My rule of getting any bike - you must be able to carry it up at least 3 times.. and able to ride it comfortably for average long distance (400Km) without much stress. The rest is individual preference depends what you want it for. I choose ADV as I usually ride for touring and less daily commute. For Spore, I would strongly propose for Scooter unless you are those who like to playing with clutch/gears. 😅
i agree with u, a small bike would be soooo much easier, but sometimes having the power to overtake is sooo much better.... so i think a 2A bike is more suitable for singapore, but where u park 4 mins $2.25 sia
Thx Amos. I'm on an S4 and midst of my Class 2 license. Was thinking if a big cc bike suits my daily ride to office work. I'll keep in mind the opinions on this video.
No need if one is riding in Singapore only...but if one intends to ride upcountry to M'sia or Thailand then a bigger bike has its advantage in stability and road presence
I will say yes. In SG context, it really depends on which class 2 bike you riding. I travel at least 50km daily and is riding NC750X; previously was on Super4 Revo but the cost of NC is cheaper and easier to maintain. Due to it's height, lane splitting with NC750X is so much easier compared to Super4. Parking is never a problem for me because I have the habit to disembark and park the bike. Bigger bikes are more visible to other road users so the likelihood of them "bullying" you is reduced. With the lack of small bikes agility, you are likely to ride more safely as well. ***BTW, if anyone planning to get big bike, please don't install the big ass side boxes and road hog when lane splitting just because your ass too big cannot pass through :D
Problem is not the side boxes, it's the rider. I've seen many small bikes road-hogging too, sometimes even when not lane-splitting. Just be considerate, glance at your mirrors every now and then, and if you see someone behind, then move aside and let them overtake.
I was thinking of upgrading from my 400x to a class 2 bike, but might get a zx4rr instead. More power, with better suspension and brakes, all the tech and quickshifter as standard, but still light and nimble to get around SG traffic.
TBH, this applies to any city commute. I recently traded in my R9T for a C400X in Melb, Australia. Love my commute to work, more than enough to travel on freeways, squeeze through traffic, and take occasional joy rides to the country
For all the Singaporean buddy, get a scooter like XMAX or Forza. It can cater both world (here in Malaysia both are 250cc). Owning 2nd bike in Singapore a tricky situation hence 1 bike that can do both is the answer. Here in Malaysia, XMAX going to Siam is increasing like hell😂 so sure can one!
Go for it, man. That bike doesn’t exist in Malaysia, so I can’t say much about it. But I own a Suzuki V-Strom 250 SX, and based on my experience, an adventure/touring bike easily beats a scooter. Plus, 150 vs 400? What more do you want me to say? 😅
@@headoftimpohon thanks so much! Was just worried that Cb400x width (10cm more than adv 150) would be an issue. I do need a bit more power on the highway from cb400x
Ideally biker enthusiast need x2 bikes. 1 for SG commuting, the other for touring adventure outside SG. 🤭 However, it is expensive here in SG to own 2 bikes. I own class 2b to class 2a to class 2 all these years after passing classes of bike license. Now back to class 2a bike. In reality, I ride in SG aka city riding 90% of the time daily riden. So I find class 2a, for me just nice la... I did the reality checked to remind myself... ✌🏽
I’ve been riding my ducati scrambler 800 for over 1.5 yrs now - and it’s perfect for Singapore as well as riding touring from Singapore to say phuket or Bangkok (done it). I didn’t take the 1100 as it heats up fast at traffic lights. When you consider the sports bike - yes it’s overkill and overheat. Any large ADV bike - definitely hard for Singapore. But the BMW R9 scrambler or anything similar makes perfect sense.
adv 160 here. i think if planning for city riding. scooter/dct motorcycle are dream due to traffic stops and tight roads. yes 1000cc are nice but consider the location etc.. even im gonna buy a higher cc i probly go for a maxxi scoots or xadv i mean yes its 700+cc but the comfortability of dct/automatic in city
I ride around Manila on a Scrambler 1200, same sentiments too, challenging to get through traffic but I try to manage. Eventually I got used to it but when I go back to a small bike, it’s so much fun.
I think size and weight is a matter of getting used to it. Each bike has their own character. You need to ride your class 2 bike on a daily basis, you will get used to it. Your skill will improve overtime as well.
Im riding a 1200gs now, its a great bike but a struggle to move around in Singapore. Used to ride cb400x. I miss that bike because its so easy to move around for daily city ride. Good fuel mileage, good manoeuvring.
This is definitely the case for Class 2 adventure / sport tourers. Some Class 2 bikes are really small though, like my wife's Triumph Speed Twin. Easy to lane split, plenty of power and very maneuverable even in heavy traffic. But the heat, I could probably roast a chicken on the side with that bike.
great video! was about to get my class 2 license when i saw the lta implementing stricter rules so i guess ill stick to 2a. with more power comes more responsibilities..i think ill just get a xmax or a 2a scooter with just enough power to get out of sticky situations and comfort.
Getting a Class 2 license doesn't mean you need to upgrade to a Class 2 bike. With a Class 2 license, you can ride any bike. It's just something that might come in handy someday. You never know. Like Class 3 vs Class 3A. Maybe in an emergency and you're the only driver left and the car is a manual. If you only got 3A, sorry bro, can't drive.
@@gunjamed93 like the traffic lights they going to implement speed cameras along with red light camera so regardless its like when yellow light, u speed up will also kena..dont speed up have to jam brake...so i feel no point going cls2 unless out of country or long rides...stop go traffic best ride scooter also, less heat, hand dont have to keep clutch in out, also comfort
went from a Class 2B bike up to a Class 2 Blackbird and STX1300... then came to pretty much the same realization as you said in this video. Been riding a 150 scooter for the past 12 years ever since. Not going back to Class 2 unless its like a T-max or X-ADV scooter type.
For leisure rides, absolutely. I ride a 1000cc sportbike to work the past few years, it was great in smooth traffic. Until you get stuck in heavy traffic in a scorching hot Sunday in May. Your balls are already medium rare by the time you reach the first traffic light. The amount of traffic lights in Singapore, trust me when I say your 1000cc bike isn’t happy and will let you know it’s feeling by further cooking of your inner calves. Then there’s the parking, some places have such a narrow parking slot that you wonder if the one drawing the outlines of the slot have some prejudice against riders. You then also worry that the people who parked beside you will accidentally leave their signature on your beautiful ceramic coated bike. The weight of the bike is also a huge concern. I’m a strong male and once stationary dropped my bike. Never once had I called an object a fat b*tch. It was fully pumped with petrol and it took so much of me to lift it up that I had to order 2 double mcspicy after to replenish my energy from that maneuver. Won’t wish that on my worst enemies, especially if they are built like weasel. Did I also mention that they are thirsty af? They will demand more meals than your actual gf/wife or both. Your smiles card is called a smiles card for a reason, because you always feed it generously with points. The traffic lights in Singapore. I can tell you I’ve never used the 6th gear before. In heartland and city area, you can get by from A to B in 1st gear. In the expressway, 4th gear can potentially get you into a lot of trouble in regards to the law and your life of course. Finally, I got myself a second sportbike because I’m shameless like that as I love sportbike but a smaller 125cc one. It felt like a toy in terms of how light it weighs. I felt like I was abusing it just by sitting on it. In conclusion, 1000cc is Overkill with a capital O. Even 600cc is overkill to me. In my humble opinion, 400cc is perfect as it has more than enough power to provide you with a lot of fun. 1000cc is for you to flex and shame those Honda civics that thinks they can outrun you. It’s great to get chicks and a lovely night ride around the country and some photoshooting. But never ever ride it to work, at that point if you do you’re just a psychopath. Hope this helps anyone who wants to get a 1000cc bike as their only bike.
If you were to get a class 2, a scooter is a viable choice. Yes its just 500+cc in general but they are one of the agile bikes compared to the non scooter counterparts. Though not as comfortable as touring or adventure bikes, they can provide a comfortable tour.
Yeah. So I've been riding literbikes for nearly 2 decades now. R1 to FZ1, and they're hot. And so I have a maxi-scoot for my commuter ride. LOL... it's also a class 2 Maxi scoot. But it's still a lot better than a literbike for the local roads
Class 2B a bit too soft for the casual trip to the North. Once i get 2A, will get a bike then. I'd say best balance. Class 2 will take next time, but the bike not necessary 😂
For me disagree class 2 got the small size xsr900 mt09 mt07 kawasaki z900 good to overtake easy .lan spite pick up fast bake more effective and some one say s4 yes but fuel consumption same as class 2 and for r6 r1 cb 1000 sport bike to hot temperatures not recommended
Absolutely needed, so u can ride to Genting fast aa not like cb500x taking 6hrs to reach there 💀 plus u can tapau geng2 LC135 with top box on highway...
In my opinion uh, 2A bikes are good enough to bring in SG plus if you plan to cross boarder or plan to start on track, it shouldn't be much of an issue as well. The way I see it. Class 2 for me is for like Long Touring Or Tack usage heh.
Class 2 naked motorcycle would be better suited for sg roads if you need the power. MT-07 is well balanced and nimble enough to do lane splitting in heavy traffic
Any experience with a FJR in Singapore condition or touring up North? Is it good for daily ride? Can't decide if i should bump up to C2 or get another smaller C2A bike. TIA...
I got 2 & 2b bikes but i tend to use my CRF1100 daily because of its comfortability and my work distance.. est 600km in 1 full tank really save me alot of hassle from going to the petrol station. 😅
cannot lah.. if you are going up north maybe ok lah.. but if you drive around metro and stuff like that.. then better off with a scooter or small cc bike..
woah! same thing happened - down slope on a carpark exit and it wouldnt read the card. Luckily a friend was just opposite the carpark and saw me, he helped. I would have sweat right down to my balls otherwise. at that moment I realised having big bikes sometimes sux.
Taking my class 2 now, but gonna just stay on 2A bikes in SG. I used to own a Nmax but after awhile, the ride quality just becomes a bit boring in my personal opinion.
I’m also thinking for changing current on Vespa GTS 300. What are your thoughts on Zontes 350E? I know most swear by Xmax but I recently saw Zontes quite good reviews. Only thing I am concerned about is reliability as it’s a China bike
For Singapore roads, a super 4 is extremely perfect. If well taken care of, that bike will be perfect in every single condition. But boring la after a while 😅
@@muhammadfairuzsamsi7209 Thank you for your kind reply - I heard that the servicing is akin to a Japanese car.. . The price though is a little steep now for a Revo; Machine price is like S$20k? Would the 400X be a bike that you would recommend?
if you earn half decent salary then just go get it. you do spend more without a doubt (depending on brand) BUT every single ride and every single start of the bike is just so enjoyable. i rode my class 2 for 4 years as a daily and love every single day of it. Oh ya go get a full system for +bonus
If you don't have saddle bags or panniers, a big bike isn't necessary. If you don't do adventure (off road), a big bike isn't necessary. If you don't ride up to Malaysia for touring, big bikes isn't necessary. If you don't do touring but need the two-up option, a big bike isn't necessary. If you can't get to max gear for cruising 80% of the ride and need to stop often for traffic lights, then big bikes isn't necessary.
Xmax 300 or Forza goo city bike go JB got a lot of things can buy ,before that I ride MT-09 sports Tourer not convenient can’t do lane split .went touring 2 times , so decided to sell get an XMAX 300 but I got an NC 750 decent bike easy to maintain won’t burn your pocket , I rde Honda NC750X only for weekends or went to Muar JB visit my Uncle.
1000cc bikes are considered which class in Singapore? 2A? Or 2B? I wish to get a 1000cc bike when I start working there in 1yr. Been researching on owning a 1000cc there. The video helps 😊😊
Our class system starts at 2b which caps the capacity at 200cc, 2a will allow you to ride up to 400cc, and class 2 has no capacity limit. Conversion of a foreign license will only allow for a 2b license, and you’ll need another two years at least to get your class 2!
@@tri333ple ah okay thanks for replying :) thinking of getting an AT soon and got worried for a while seeing you tiptoe since im slightly shorter at 177
Totally agree. Too many times I struggled to find parking or get in/get out of parking with a class 2 bike.
sometimes you really wished you were on a smaller motorcycle. 😬
the prombles why the gantry got to build on a slop ?? why
No, need class 2A or 2. Such a pointless investment. U keep the money buy physical gold better and save it for rainy days or pass to ur kids. KnS, kena 1 covid 19 again sure kalang kabut sell
@@SaltedBadlyyeah true
I used to ride a R1200R (2015) for about 2+ years before moving onto a car, and I couldn't be happier with my bike. It's the heaviest bike I've ever had, and I'm pretty sure I'm smaller size and less strong than the guy in the video. But I've never had any real problems handling my bike. Oh, and my bike was heavier than stock cos I added 3 storage boxes to it - 1 top and 2 side boxes. My bike never went across the Causeway at all. All her mileage was done in Singapore. I always parked tail-in because it's easier to warn traffic behind you that you're stopping soon to park and oncoming traffic will know to give you some space since they now know you're coming to a stop soon. It's in their interest to move aside so they can keep going rather than being held up by you. Many SG drivers are selfish and time-conscious. So use that to your advantage.
Exiting a carpark going down a slope.....never ever ride past the card reader. If you really find yourself in the same situation as shown in the video, don't even try to reverse the bike. Just put in gear, turn off engine, get off the bike, tap your cashcard, get back on and go. Because you know you can't push the bike in reverse. It's not your arms pushing, it's your legs. And you're pushing with your legs getting little contact with the ground. If you get off to use your arms, then you might as well go tap the reader since you're already getting off. Much faster, easier, and more comfortable.
I also had a Katana 750 back in the mid-90s, and a CB750 around 2008-2010. From small bikes to big bikes, I've had roadsters (aka street bikes), sports bikes, sports tourers, scooters and cruisers (aka choppers). No trail bikes cos not my thing. But I did try riding my friend's KTM around campus. Super light compared to my bikes.
Class 2B, 2A and 2 all got their own pros and cons. But also, you need to learn how to adapt to the differences of riding each class of bike. Even within the same class, different types of bikes will present different challenges, handling characteristics, etc etc, so to be able to fully enjoy the bike you ride, you need to know how to adjust yourself. I'm not claiming to be an expert on big bikes, or saying that I'm more experienced than the guy in the video. But I'm just trying to say that for me, I don't have the same issues/grumbles/complaints that he has about riding a Class 2 bike in Singapore. If you really like a certain big bike, and you can afford it, go for it after doing your due diligence. I know for a fact that the respective authorised agents for Harley and BMW do have test bikes for prospective buyers to test ride, so if you're concerned about the weight, you can consider checking them out to help in your decision-making.
you sound like me except i never had a GS 1200. because i am only 1.68m and weak knees prevent me from getting tall bikes. i think if i ever ride a gs1200 and had to stop at the park gentry, i would die from heart attack.
Class 2A : just right for balance of both....
Happy riding, ride safe.
Honda ADV150 owner here. I crossed the border into Malaysia for the first time with my bike a few weeks ago and I honestly cannot imagine doing it in a larger Class 2 bike. Scooters really reign supreme in city-start-stop traffic.
You forgot to mention 1 very important point. The maintenance of class 2 bike. If it’s a daily rider, class 2b bike is 4x cheaper to perform the oil change as it only uses 1l compare to 4l for class 2 machine.
I do oil change once a year on my KTM Adventure R. Oil filter $7. 4 liter Motorex 10w50 $110. every 2 years I flush my own brake fluid…brake fluid is $15. I do my maintenance myself. TH-cam.
GSA servicing interval 10km.. 4L engine oil. That's 1L for every 2.5 k km..
price vs the frequency of oil change equates to almost same lolol between small and big bikes.
Class 2 bike maintenance similar to entry level car
Not really, most biker go for boutique oil like motul, ipone... Way over hype. That the main reason with high maintenance. I DIY and using diesel engine oil for my wet clutches bike.Make sure is for diesel use as it does not contain frictional modifier. My class 2 tracer 900 DIY oil and oil filter are less than 30 sgd per oil change 5k interval.
Happened to a friend. Finally got a Class 2 and saved up enough to buy dream big bike, then planned to sell his old kapcai. A few commutes on the big bike later, and he was back on his kapcai. That kapcai that he got years ago when he first got his 2B is still the bike he rides 90% of the time, an actual practical mode of transport. His big "dream bike" ended up being just a toy to enjoy on weekends.
Super 4 is light and punchy enough. For Singapore roads, it's more than adequate. Used to ride an FJR too and encountered the same problems as you. But on Malaysian highways it's a bliss to ride, 150, 160 cruise control, windshield up and super stable, I didn't even feel the thrill of speed. Now I'm back to a lighter bike, Kawasaki z900rs. It's Super 4 upsized that's all. Think iI'll stay with that for a while.
The short answer is definitely no. Most of the time a Class 2A bike is more than enough, so someone would have to think very carefully if they’re ready to pay for the increased road tax, increased sticker price, less efficient engine and all the other things you mentioned in the video.
Maybe owning for a year or two just to experience the thrill of it, impress your family & friends and all the looks you’ll get from the public, but most people just downgrade back to a simple 2B scooter or bike for daily commutes because it’s more practical.
i think getting a class 2 bike is every riders ultimate dream, only when u get one than u know all the disadvantage.its a good video though 👍
I personally believe in keeping within your budget. I noticed riders going way beyond what they can afford,when it comes to buying C2 bikes.
Repairs are so costly, that oftentimes you'll be spending in the 4 digits. Keep the cost low so you can enjoy riding the bike worry free.
2:00 . Biggest nightmare when riding a Class 2 bikes. Especially a big or tall one like the Africa Twin. Even on a colder day, you're bound to sweat from the anxiety. 😂😂
especially when a car approaches.
I've ridden 2 different Class 2 bikes in Singapore on short stints while visiting and I could feel the anxiety when he goes down the slope towards the auto ticket gantry. Impossible to back out, hard to u-turn safely on a tall heavy bike, cars coming up behind you blocking you in, and I would say about 50% of the time the gate wouldn't work for me (double-checked my NETS card correctly inserted, has balance etc). Glad to see this is not an unusual occurrence! I thought I just had bad luck.
I recently downgraded from a 650cc touring bike to a 250cc maxi scooter. One of my best decisions. I travel to and fro KL almost every single day and automatic bikes are a life saver.
whaaat every day? curious to know why
Half the time u are stuck behind a car in traffic. try to land split during rush hour at any expressway is risky. If most of your journey is overseas in msia or Thai highways, then is a good idea. Coming from a msian that in out daily in Sg.
I'm from penang ..Same struggle bro..i totally loath riding in the island..traffic is horrendous..too many traffic lights and too many narrow lanes..luckily, in malaysia, it doesn't cost much to own another smaller 'kapcai' (underbone) as a 2nd bike
you lucky cat! no need to pay for 10k COE!
not to mention the drivers in penang..... peace ah bro i also from malaysia
@@fidelcatsro6948and keep the bike more than 10 years 😂
@@gh_studio4945 they can keep their bikes for generations as museum pieces
Agreed Bro ! I’m from Penang too … sold my Triumph Speed Twin 1200 early this year (it’s not suitable for long distance ride) & bought a smaller bike Suzuki V-Strom 650XT.
But for short distance, city ride, ride around Penang island or any distance below 100km - I’ll ride my Honda ADV160 … very comfortable, agile & easy to squeeze “cilok” in our Penang massive traffic jam 😆😂👍
Even with all the disadvantages mentioned in the video, I really really loved my AT and Tracer. I've never thought of downgrading to a smaller bike. With owning a big bike, you just have to be mindful of where you stop and how you park.
Hi bro how do you compare both AT and Tracer? I'm riding a Tracer too but thinking of Changing to AT. Anything to take note of? TIA 👍🏻
@@naqibezwnxx I would say the most remarkable thing about AT is the bulletproof engine and how comfortable it is on uneven roads. The 21" front wheel goes over bumps, potholes, curbs, etc. If you always cruise at more than 180km/h tho, Tracer has the top end power and redline for that.
Getting stuck at a downslope gantry really sucks big time. For me, riding MT09 on SG roads is the perfect bike for me. Nimble enough for lane filtering, plenty of power to siam sticky situation and you can move your bike to park like a 2B bike. But my previous bike TMAX, albeit super comfy, i am super nervous when lane filtering and its so much heavier compared to MT09 even though its 530cc vs 847cc.
I own a MT09 too! It's the most nimble class 2 bike and I enjoy riding it thoroughly. I need to ride around singapore where certain areas have big trucks, long vehicles and hence not very safe for a small bike as I will sway if they drive past me.
Same as here daily mt 09…cheers
Hey man! I also ride MT09. The bike is very cooling to ride and not too heavy
hi there does it cost alot to maintain a mt 09?
@@Risquenemo Not really. I believe it's almost the same as any other Class 2 bikes out there. The fuel consumption is very good for a 900cc. I get about 23+km/litre of fuel.
Wah now idk if I should just buy a class 2a bike or take my class 2 in 3 months time....
How has it been? Tiny bit of hesitations here too. Thinking of Cb400x upon passing 2A
I ride a R6 and ffs everything mentioned in the video is exactly what I feel rn. Just to add on, maybe specifically for higher cc sport bikes.. it's almost Impossible to keep within sg speed limits even on expressways, the heat will creep in on the thighs unless you go fast. It's a pain to ride big bikes in Singapore, must cross border to really appreciate the larger displacement.. I also ride an aerox as my daily and I couldn't agree more with you, scooters are really a game changer in city riding 🤣
100% right. The problem in Singapore is the cost of owning a vehicle. It is difficult to own 2, one for local rides and one for long distance ride. I owned a VFR400R, a Pegaso 650 and a ST1100 in Singapore before shifting to cars due to family reason. Out of the 3, my favorite one was the ST100. It was big but light as soon as I was moving due to the very low CG. Finding suitable parking spaces was most challenging. But it was able to do everything. Later in Thailand, leaving in Bangkok, I bought a NMax which I found is the perfect tool for squeezing into the traffic (a lot more packed than in Singapore) but this machine starts to feel limited on highway and make you feel vulnerable. Later I rented a Xmax in Singapore. That could be the ideal size for Singapore. Pretty small but with enough power and presence to feel alright on the expressways. Main limitation of scooters is the suspension and riding position that make them tiring, at least to me. Over the past few weeks I have been riding a 390 Duke. 400cc bikes could be the sweet spot between fun and reason. But going Malaysia and beyond, I would want a big bike.
Having the same problems with my GSA in SG. Thats why i always have to plan if I want to ride my GSA in SG, which parking to go for, will ban those especially gantry with slope, but for me I still keep my Xmax which mainly for work and SG ride.
Agree with everything being said . I had bikes from every class. My next bike is probably class 2a scooter for easy riding. Class 2 was fun when it’s moving but you have to stop a lot of times. That is not fun.
Thanks for the video. Was deciding between a Yamaha Tracer 7, Tracer 9, and Niken and though I was already heavily leaning towards the 7, this video has helped nail it down. I ride almost everyday and plan to do some touring and feel these bikes fit the task well enough. Though everyone says the CP3 engine is really nice, I think I'll settle with the CP2 since my priorities are daily riding in Singapore rather than the touring capabilities or sporty riding with the bigger bike. (plus I think the squinty lights from the T7 looks better). On top of that, there are plenty of comparisons on the net that shows the recent Tracer 9 has some quirks like wind buffeting issues, tendency to stall, overly stiff suspension, and much more that the smaller brother does not appear to have.
same boat as you, also decided T7 is good for me haha
Agreed. I’m riding a Xsr900. Although bike dimension is small and I can manoeuvre it no problem, the heat is real, and i usually only use 10% of the throttle
I'm riding a tracer 7 2021 model, daily use, CP2. Decent power to ride in SG road. Easy to lane spilitting. Maintenance wise is cheaper than a S4, uses 2.3 Litre of engine oil, 17 litres can reach 350km+. The only con is a parallel import. So far no problems
I ride a Tracer 9 daily, coming from CB400X. Buffeting not really an issue unless you are overly tall but the clutch is a tad sensitive so I did stall a couple of times before because of this. Suspension is fantastic for the 9 but I think the biggest complaint for me about the 9 is that its overly low as the exhaust is tucked under the engine itself. So I do end up scraping the exhaust if I go too fast or with pillion on some higher than usual humps notably the one at CIQ Tuas. For daily riding though, the 7 is good enough. In terms of maneuvering, the 9 is just as maneuverable or even better than the CB400X coz it has a shorter wheel base (which also means your pillion is closer to you).
The most vivid memory I have that prompted me to get a class 2: I was overtaking a Malaysian bus on lane 1 with a pillion, and then, the bus started cutting into my lane. Pressing on the horn did nothing. Not sure whether to brake or to accelerate, I chose to accelerate, and with the meagre power a class 2B can afford, I barely made it out. That is why I ride a class 2. Personally, will never go back to 2B for safety reasons.
Quite a few years back, I owned and rode a Rocket III Classic. Super comfortable, Very stable, Mega HOT!!! At the same time I still have a, even today, an old BMW R1200C, which has very unfortunately been handed a death sentenced by NEA even though it more than meets the emission requirements.
While both are large by Class 2 bike standards, both handle very well with low center of gravity, the Rocket is a behemoth compared to the BMW.
For day to day city use, I miss my previous bike a Class 2A Super 4 Spec III.
Easy to lane split, park almost anywhere, just about enough power to get out of sticky situations in SG, and even for short forays across the Causeway.
What do you think about Yammie MT-03? Looking to cross north once in a while but not too far
@@b-reel can’t comment cos I’ve never ridden nor tested the MT-03. Sorry.
@@IanCorneliusLai Thanks Ian, what's your take on the Super 4? Your plus points, as you did state some of the advantages. What's the main thing do you really like about it, and the things that you DON'T miss about it? Thanks very much again for your response. My impression of a Super 4, when I was in my twenties (no bike license - sounded like a dream). When learning 2A, found the throttle really sensitive, still learning 2A and beginning to love it except the heat make meat balls of me... Anyway, old learner here.
@@b-reel oh. If it makes you feel any better I didn’t get my Class 2A till I was 33 anyway. Haha. Only got my Class 2 Jan 2011. Never too old :D
@@IanCorneliusLai Thanks very much for your encouraging reply! Makes an older guy feel better.. met one class 2 student in his 60s!
My rule of getting any bike - you must be able to carry it up at least 3 times.. and able to ride it comfortably for average long distance (400Km) without much stress. The rest is individual preference depends what you want it for. I choose ADV as I usually ride for touring and less daily commute. For Spore, I would strongly propose for Scooter unless you are those who like to playing with clutch/gears. 😅
i agree with u, a small bike would be soooo much easier, but sometimes having the power to overtake is sooo much better.... so i think a 2A bike is more suitable for singapore, but where u park 4 mins $2.25 sia
Thx Amos. I'm on an S4 and midst of my Class 2 license. Was thinking if a big cc bike suits my daily ride to office work. I'll keep in mind the opinions on this video.
No need if one is riding in Singapore only...but if one intends to ride upcountry to M'sia or Thailand then a bigger bike has its advantage in stability and road presence
Definately will upgrade for class 2, but travelling around in a Cub is super fun i swear
I will say yes. In SG context, it really depends on which class 2 bike you riding. I travel at least 50km daily and is riding NC750X; previously was on Super4 Revo but the cost of NC is cheaper and easier to maintain. Due to it's height, lane splitting with NC750X is so much easier compared to Super4. Parking is never a problem for me because I have the habit to disembark and park the bike. Bigger bikes are more visible to other road users so the likelihood of them "bullying" you is reduced. With the lack of small bikes agility, you are likely to ride more safely as well.
***BTW, if anyone planning to get big bike, please don't install the big ass side boxes and road hog when lane splitting just because your ass too big cannot pass through :D
Problem is not the side boxes, it's the rider. I've seen many small bikes road-hogging too, sometimes even when not lane-splitting. Just be considerate, glance at your mirrors every now and then, and if you see someone behind, then move aside and let them overtake.
I was thinking of upgrading from my 400x to a class 2 bike, but might get a zx4rr instead. More power, with better suspension and brakes, all the tech and quickshifter as standard, but still light and nimble to get around SG traffic.
TBH, this applies to any city commute. I recently traded in my R9T for a C400X in Melb, Australia. Love my commute to work, more than enough to travel on freeways, squeeze through traffic, and take occasional joy rides to the country
For all the Singaporean buddy, get a scooter like XMAX or Forza. It can cater both world (here in Malaysia both are 250cc). Owning 2nd bike in Singapore a tricky situation hence 1 bike that can do both is the answer. Here in Malaysia, XMAX going to Siam is increasing like hell😂 so sure can one!
Hello I ride into jb once/week with adv 150. What do you think of Cb400x?
Go for it, man. That bike doesn’t exist in Malaysia, so I can’t say much about it. But I own a Suzuki V-Strom 250 SX, and based on my experience, an adventure/touring bike easily beats a scooter. Plus, 150 vs 400? What more do you want me to say? 😅
@@headoftimpohon thanks so much! Was just worried that Cb400x width (10cm more than adv 150) would be an issue. I do need a bit more power on the highway from cb400x
Ideally biker enthusiast need x2 bikes. 1 for SG commuting, the other for touring adventure outside SG. 🤭 However, it is expensive here in SG to own 2 bikes. I own class 2b to class 2a to class 2 all these years after passing classes of bike license. Now back to class 2a bike. In reality, I ride in SG aka city riding 90% of the time daily riden. So I find class 2a, for me just nice la... I did the reality checked to remind myself... ✌🏽
I’ve been riding my ducati scrambler 800 for over 1.5 yrs now - and it’s perfect for Singapore as well as riding touring from Singapore to say phuket or Bangkok (done it). I didn’t take the 1100 as it heats up fast at traffic lights. When you consider the sports bike - yes it’s overkill and overheat. Any large ADV bike - definitely hard for Singapore. But the BMW R9 scrambler or anything similar makes perfect sense.
adv 160 here. i think if planning for city riding. scooter/dct motorcycle are dream due to traffic stops and tight roads. yes 1000cc are nice but consider the location etc.. even im gonna buy a higher cc i probly go for a maxxi scoots or xadv i mean yes its 700+cc but the comfortability of dct/automatic in city
The love hate of riding class 2. haha hot and sibei expensive to maintain. Glad made the switch to scooter (XMAX) best decision ever.
I ride around Manila on a Scrambler 1200, same sentiments too, challenging to get through traffic but I try to manage. Eventually I got used to it but when I go back to a small bike, it’s so much fun.
Min 4:23...where to get the foam back rest on the box?
Thanks in advance!
no need. overkill. but the safety aspects plus point. now 2A bikes also have good safety tech. 2B slowly catching up!
I think size and weight is a matter of getting used to it. Each bike has their own character. You need to ride your class 2 bike on a daily basis, you will get used to it. Your skill will improve overtime as well.
Totally agree. I had anxiety with a 1300cc for almost a year, but the daily rides made it go away eventually.
Im riding a 1200gs now, its a great bike but a struggle to move around in Singapore. Used to ride cb400x. I miss that bike because its so easy to move around for daily city ride. Good fuel mileage, good manoeuvring.
I think 2A bikes are the best in between to get for SG ba...
I agree , i have a cb400x and im quite tall . I find it very agile as compared to riding a class 2 bike
2a bikes are great for all round performance 😍
I used to own 3 Class 2 bikes. I love the FZ1S for city commute. I hate the Super Tenere when I accidentally dropped the bike at the carpark. 😅
This is definitely the case for Class 2 adventure / sport tourers. Some Class 2 bikes are really small though, like my wife's Triumph Speed Twin. Easy to lane split, plenty of power and very maneuverable even in heavy traffic. But the heat, I could probably roast a chicken on the side with that bike.
Mid cc class 2 bike best compromise. Not too big, easier to maneuver.power is there when you need it. Can do it all
great video! was about to get my class 2 license when i saw the lta implementing stricter rules so i guess ill stick to 2a. with more power comes more responsibilities..i think ill just get a xmax or a 2a scooter with just enough power to get out of sticky situations and comfort.
what kind of stricter rules are they implementing? anywhere i can read on that?
Getting a Class 2 license doesn't mean you need to upgrade to a Class 2 bike. With a Class 2 license, you can ride any bike. It's just something that might come in handy someday. You never know. Like Class 3 vs Class 3A. Maybe in an emergency and you're the only driver left and the car is a manual. If you only got 3A, sorry bro, can't drive.
@@sleepy_dobe true but not a necessity for me now, so ill just stay 2a
@@gunjamed93 like the traffic lights they going to implement speed cameras along with red light camera so regardless its like when yellow light, u speed up will also kena..dont speed up have to jam brake...so i feel no point going cls2 unless out of country or long rides...stop go traffic best ride scooter also, less heat, hand dont have to keep clutch in out, also comfort
@@komodochainz4783Just get the Class 2 license. You'll never know when you get a Class 2 bike and also the training would be a good experience.
NC750x I feel is the best Class 2 bike for SG after having ridden RSV4 and a FZ1s for few years now.
Is the class 2 easy and fun but I don't want to ride a far places in Singapore I do delivery rider only near at my house.
Will you be.doing a touring video on.a class 2B bike?
Are big bikes cost just as crazy as cars in Singapore?
went from a Class 2B bike up to a Class 2 Blackbird and STX1300... then came to pretty much the same realization as you said in this video. Been riding a 150 scooter for the past 12 years ever since. Not going back to Class 2 unless its like a T-max or X-ADV scooter type.
For leisure rides, absolutely. I ride a 1000cc sportbike to work the past few years, it was great in smooth traffic. Until you get stuck in heavy traffic in a scorching hot Sunday in May. Your balls are already medium rare by the time you reach the first traffic light.
The amount of traffic lights in Singapore, trust me when I say your 1000cc bike isn’t happy and will let you know it’s feeling by further cooking of your inner calves.
Then there’s the parking, some places have such a narrow parking slot that you wonder if the one drawing the outlines of the slot have some prejudice against riders. You then also worry that the people who parked beside you will accidentally leave their signature on your beautiful ceramic coated bike.
The weight of the bike is also a huge concern. I’m a strong male and once stationary dropped my bike. Never once had I called an object a fat b*tch. It was fully pumped with petrol and it took so much of me to lift it up that I had to order 2 double mcspicy after to replenish my energy from that maneuver. Won’t wish that on my worst enemies, especially if they are built like weasel.
Did I also mention that they are thirsty af? They will demand more meals than your actual gf/wife or both. Your smiles card is called a smiles card for a reason, because you always feed it generously with points.
The traffic lights in Singapore. I can tell you I’ve never used the 6th gear before. In heartland and city area, you can get by from A to B in 1st gear. In the expressway, 4th gear can potentially get you into a lot of trouble in regards to the law and your life of course.
Finally, I got myself a second sportbike because I’m shameless like that as I love sportbike but a smaller 125cc one. It felt like a toy in terms of how light it weighs. I felt like I was abusing it just by sitting on it.
In conclusion, 1000cc is Overkill with a capital O. Even 600cc is overkill to me. In my humble opinion, 400cc is perfect as it has more than enough power to provide you with a lot of fun. 1000cc is for you to flex and shame those Honda civics that thinks they can outrun you. It’s great to get chicks and a lovely night ride around the country and some photoshooting. But never ever ride it to work, at that point if you do you’re just a psychopath. Hope this helps anyone who wants to get a 1000cc bike as their only bike.
Well written! Thanks for sharing
If you were to get a class 2, a scooter is a viable choice.
Yes its just 500+cc in general but they are one of the agile bikes compared to the non scooter counterparts.
Though not as comfortable as touring or adventure bikes, they can provide a comfortable tour.
thats true, but also depends on what kind of long distance trips. we'd take our Africa Twins off road during trips as well so it fits the purpose 😍
Yeah. So I've been riding literbikes for nearly 2 decades now. R1 to FZ1, and they're hot. And so I have a maxi-scoot for my commuter ride.
LOL... it's also a class 2 Maxi scoot. But it's still a lot better than a literbike for the local roads
Class 2B a bit too soft for the casual trip to the North. Once i get 2A, will get a bike then. I'd say best balance. Class 2 will take next time, but the bike not necessary 😂
For me disagree class 2 got the small size xsr900 mt09 mt07 kawasaki z900 good to overtake easy .lan spite pick up fast bake more effective and some one say s4 yes but fuel consumption same as class 2 and for r6 r1 cb 1000 sport bike to hot temperatures not recommended
Absolutely needed, so u can ride to Genting fast aa not like cb500x taking 6hrs to reach there 💀 plus u can tapau geng2 LC135 with top box on highway...
You needed an even bigger bike with reverse! EG BMW 1600,goldwing
hi, wheres that place where you watched the sunset?
In my opinion uh, 2A bikes are good enough to bring in SG plus if you plan to cross boarder or plan to start on track, it shouldn't be much of an issue as well. The way I see it. Class 2 for me is for like Long Touring Or Tack usage heh.
My friend used to ride NC for daily commute to work but after he switched to cb1000r, he only ride occasionally and taking public transport to work…
Get X-ADV750 la scooter class 2, can use to tour also
Agree with you 100%... Plus highest maintenance, lower mileage, higher road tax and insurance...
6:22 may I know the location??? Looks good. 😄
Somebody help to find this location.. 6:22
Upper seletar reservoir
Where is that location?
Class 2 naked motorcycle would be better suited for sg roads if you need the power. MT-07 is well balanced and nimble enough to do lane splitting in heavy traffic
agree with you bro, but higher speeds on the NSH will really train your neck and core muscles haha
@@tri333ple Hahaha. At what speeds would the AT start feeling unconformable on NSH?
like at least you have the option of putting on a super huge windshield and still look the part hahaha!
Most versatile bike this Mt-07. It’s the base for R7, Tracer 7 and Tenere 7. Just that Singaporeans normally max out on the engine capacity 😅
@@tri333ple must buy good helmet to cut through the wind and cannot put Bluetooth intercom. Agv pista /corsa, K6 and Shoei x14, love it on NSHW
some bikes are lighter though, like the newer S1000R are even lighter than older CD400s.
maybe 600-800 cc is another option?
Any experience with a FJR in Singapore condition or touring up North? Is it good for daily ride? Can't decide if i should bump up to C2 or get another smaller C2A bike.
TIA...
where is that place at the end of the video?
I got 2 & 2b bikes but i tend to use my CRF1100 daily because of its comfortability and my work distance.. est 600km in 1 full tank really save me alot of hassle from going to the petrol station. 😅
bro how you clock 600km on just one tank 😳
@@yucks4758mine mainly highway riding, also a 25L tank 😅
@@ahkkim26 ohhhh makes sense hahahaha
cannot lah.. if you are going up north maybe ok lah.. but if you drive around metro and stuff like that.. then better off with a scooter or small cc bike..
woah! same thing happened - down slope on a carpark exit and it wouldnt read the card. Luckily a friend was just opposite the carpark and saw me, he helped. I would have sweat right down to my balls otherwise. at that moment I realised having big bikes sometimes sux.
Taking my class 2 now, but gonna just stay on 2A bikes in SG. I used to own a Nmax but after awhile, the ride quality just becomes a bit boring in my personal opinion.
There are very light class 2 bike around... Mostly supermotos... lighter than most 2A bikes.
I’m also thinking for changing current on Vespa GTS 300. What are your thoughts on Zontes 350E? I know most swear by Xmax but I recently saw Zontes quite good reviews. Only thing I am concerned about is reliability as it’s a China bike
For Singapore roads, a super 4 is extremely perfect. If well taken care of, that bike will be perfect in every single condition.
But boring la after a while 😅
Isn’t the maintenance significantly higher than other 2A bikes?
@@b-reelnope. Personally had it for 15 years. In my opinion the easiest fuss free maintenance big bike.
@@muhammadfairuzsamsi7209 Thank you for your kind reply - I heard that the servicing is akin to a Japanese car.. . The price though is a little steep now for a Revo; Machine price is like S$20k? Would the 400X be a bike that you would recommend?
if you earn half decent salary then just go get it. you do spend more without a doubt (depending on brand) BUT every single ride and every single start of the bike is just so enjoyable. i rode my class 2 for 4 years as a daily and love every single day of it. Oh ya go get a full system for +bonus
Great vid! Guess I’ll be keeping my 2A bike for now.
If you don't have saddle bags or panniers, a big bike isn't necessary.
If you don't do adventure (off road), a big bike isn't necessary.
If you don't ride up to Malaysia for touring, big bikes isn't necessary.
If you don't do touring but need the two-up option, a big bike isn't necessary.
If you can't get to max gear for cruising 80% of the ride and need to stop often for traffic lights, then big bikes isn't necessary.
haven't even touched on getting stuck at checkpoints. my calves got a workout thanks to being stuck there on my Super Tenere 😢
3:30 bro, no lane spitting mer Singapore?
Can but after what i went through, was trying to rest HAHA
wheres the location of the park at the end of your video!
😂 agree. at the end of the day kapcai with basket at front and box behind most functional
Where was the last location at?
This video reminds me why I sold my FZ1. I am always worried when exiting a carpark on a slope
A big bike's braking system and acceleration function as safety features
Agree, if you need abit more power class 2a is good enough.
I would love to ride in singapore ine day the road seems nice
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require (something) because it is essential or very important rather than just desirable.
Riding CBR600F2 is just nice not too big not too small
Xmax 300 or Forza goo city bike go JB got a lot of things can buy ,before that I ride MT-09 sports Tourer not convenient can’t do lane split .went touring 2 times , so decided to sell get an XMAX 300 but I got an NC 750 decent bike easy to maintain won’t burn your pocket , I rde Honda NC750X only for weekends or went to Muar JB visit my Uncle.
1000cc bikes are considered which class in Singapore? 2A? Or 2B?
I wish to get a 1000cc bike when I start working there in 1yr. Been researching on owning a 1000cc there. The video helps 😊😊
Our class system starts at 2b which caps the capacity at 200cc, 2a will allow you to ride up to 400cc, and class 2 has no capacity limit. Conversion of a foreign license will only allow for a 2b license, and you’ll need another two years at least to get your class 2!
Is there such thing as a class 2 bike that does not run hot?
Mt07 nc750. Generally more cylinders, hotter
Every biker has a dream bike in their mind when they take their class 2b. Usually that dream bike is a class 2 bike.
maybe 2A is the good inbetween?
7:05 Yes! Personally class 2 bike are not suitable for Singapore road.
hi bro arent you guys at tri333ple 3 very tall? 1.8m+? still need to tiptoe on AT? 😮
hey buddy, i raised my seat by a few mms. added foam and widened the seat !
@@tri333ple ah okay thanks for replying :) thinking of getting an AT soon and got worried for a while seeing you tiptoe since im slightly shorter at 177
@yucks4758 177 no issues lah bro
Winston is 1.78m. He flat foot on his AT with stock seat
Next video idea, is cafe, sports, adventure, or scooter best for sg daily riding?