‼HEYYYY OK FIRST OF ALL‼ this is a final for one of my classes. if you're wondering why some of the sources i mention are oddly specific, academic sources and why this may be more targeted towards crime and media, now you know LMAO ‼UPDATE: got an A+‼ nonetheless, i really hope you enjoyed this. i worked super long and hard on this and I’m so happy with how it turned out! my first actual video essay aaahhh!!! anyways, thank you annnddd enjoy!!!! edit: I didn’t mention in the video but omg the argument of “if you don’t like it, drop it” doesn’t always work cause jinx is insanely popular within BL. I CAN’T ESCAPE THE MANHWA EVEN IF I WANTED TO LMAO. but I get why people bring that up. ANOTHER edit: ok by the time i made this change, it's like two months after this uploaded, whoops, but i wanted to let you all know i edited out where i mention a certain site for where i got public comments regarding jinx cause some people messaged me to complain about that ok thank, remember to eat well
I hate it when the victim depicted as enjoying the act.The body has physical reactions that are not always controllable. Someone can tickle you and you can hate it but still laugh.
I tend to laugh or at least smile when people around me are, even if I myself hate the situation and want to get out. People think I'm happy and having a good time when they are, just because of how my face reacts to seeing other people laugh.
@@missstranger7697 Regardless of gender, predators deserve condemnation. Some predators will hide behind gender identity as a shield. Totally not referring to Kris Tyson.
Bro. The cover art quite literally has one character tearing up whilst the other character looms over them with a sinister grin. HOW ELSE DO YOU EXPECT ME TO TAKE THAT????!?
I genuinely can't stand how people don't see it because for a lot of them (especially Americans), the reason why is because this is a same sex relationship. It has been normalized in many places to fetishize same sex relationships, so with people who do that, they see no problem because they see it as hot.
I remember I hated Jinx a lot, and my friend's response was always "Oh, it's a thing that the creator does, he'll turn good eventually" SO??? HE'S STILL ABUSIVE 😭
"Turn good" bro if someone killed your parents would you just let it slide because they went through a character arc after abusing you for months on end? NO!
hope its a ex friend now 😬 the trope of "but they got redeemed!!" is so disgusting, they act that since the character becomes good then every disgusting crime they did is now negated
fr and they justify it with a "redemption arc" and its just a "toxic relationship" 😭😭all these need a psychological tag. its also quite telling how its always the "bottom" is getting assaulted and how many manhwas portray them as feminine dudes
@@illy2na Except many of the illustrators & authors out right romanticize the problematic elements in their stories, for example take Killing Stalking, the author has stated it’s a psychological horror and that the characters (Sangwoo & Yoonbum) shouldn’t be shipped because it’s psychological horror and their entire relationship is problematic, yet she made chapters like the ‘Christmas special’ in KS which is solely just fan service for those who DO ship them, romanticize & sexualize their relationship and view it as a BL. My main point is many authors of this kind of content are a huge factor on why things like this are sexualized & romanticized in their own stories. As an actual writer, illustrator, translator & psychological horror fan myself who’s also a gay guy this issue is still pretty prevalent in the BL genre and it’s issues are mainly caused by the creators
@@Iwastheonewhostoleurbannock We also have to consider that a great part of those BLs are published through Lezhin, which you need to submit your work to get a license to publish it, and publishing companies may require certain chapters to be made in a certain way to retain and attract more readers. And, before anyone suggests it, I am not defending the author of Killing Stalking, I am just presenting a possibility and inviting people to not villainize someone right away.
it seems so absurd how pretty privilege has warped around the morality, leaving it distorted all bcs someone's attractive. if jaekyung was an ugly bastard then he would've been hated on by their readers.
@@Nailpol I’d argue killing stalking is better because at the very least the author had no intentions to let the two male leads be together. Like it is very clear that the story is from Yoombum’s perspective so it’s the reason why Sangwoo’s actions are perceived as what the are. That and KS was never meant to be a BL in the first place. Mingwa on the other hand is just ignorant.
@@Nailpol but killing stalking is not a romance tho most people know that and treat it like the psychological thriller that it is... there's only SOME weirdos who genuinely ship the main characters of killing stalking but in this case the writer is trying to romanticise the relationship as well as the readers 🤮🤮
Heyy man I hope you're doing better now. I can't even begin to fathom your pain but I just want to say that you've done great so far! You've come a long way. Good job hanging in there!
This comic reminds me of that creepy furry webtoon. The creator pretty much glorified the toxic relationship between a student and a teacher. I dropped the comic on chapter 3 because shit was utterly disgusting. The teacher clearly SA and groomed his student and the creators and some fans tried to defend his actions even to the point of silencing anyone who dared to criticize their comic. (Also love the Hanako pfp)
@@guccibracelet7253 I first heard about the comic from a youtuber covering this. If i remember its called The Fate! on webtoon. What i also find weird about it is that the co creator was in a abusive relationship and made that webtoon with her friend as a way to vent by romanticizing grooming and SA. Normally survivors of traumatic experience would bring up their experience as a way to let people know and educate others but she just took a 180 and made comic about a predator and made the main character 18 in a high school setting just to justify the fact that both characters are adults...
@@guccibracelet7253 the fate ? Yeah I remember that comic , what makes that comic even worse is that the relationship is based on the creator’s friends trauma of an abusive relationship , not only the comic is bad but she as a friend is horrible
I read the manga out of curiosity after seeing a lot of people complain about it, Joo throws things at Dan (the victim) and berates him constantly, I don’t know how anyone thinks they should end up together
@@guccibracelet7253i remember seeing that and I was like “wtf is this Shi?? A teacher?. AND A STUDENT WTH-“ I went into it to investigate a bit more and I was disgusted 😭 stopped after like chapter 1 or 2
Also, one of the things that a lot of animators/manhwa artists do to make you not see a character as a SA victim is depicting them as these blushy, open mouthed, shiny eyed characters during the sex scenes - the features become hentai-ish. This to show the character as someone who is shy, coy, but liking what is happening. The same thing happens on Berserk, during the scene where Casca is raped, she is depicted with a pleasured expression on her face (and later on turns catatonic from the trauma). It's terrible, because although bodily reactions are not controllable, a rape victim isn't happy or feeling good to be there. And doing this makes people not see them as the victims they are, but as someone "in denial".
I was thinking to make this exact point as I was scrolling the comments - it's the artistic portrayal of it all that REALLY rubs me the wrong way; like why are you trying to make it look like he's enjoying this??? Now of course art is subjective, but I think we can all agree that in no way is Dan in an ideal or even remotely pleasant position, and the fact that artists like Mingwa don't truly understand that is kinda scary. My concern is what do they think about real SA/r*pe victims...
To be fair, when it comes to Berserk, even if Cascas SA was depicted in questionable way, we are still shown severe and devastating consequences of SA. Guts carried out this trauma into adulthood, and the same trauma made it hard for him to make any type of physical contact. Casca was litteraly bleeding in the scene, and her mind was litteraly shut down and rebooted to that of an infant. It was also shown that Casca in her state of broken mind started men. I think no one in story itself tries to argue that Casca enjoyed it.
For real. As a victim myself one of the hardest parts is that the body reacts even if you absolutely don't want to. To twist that and portray that as some kind of secret enjoyment for the victim is just sickening to me
People who say “it’s just fiction” don’t understand. It’s not the depiction of sxual violence that’s the problem; it’s the fetishization/romanticization of it.
@@Hoodjoshi666The fact that you’re too slow to understand why it’s an issue is concerning. Fetishising and romanticising crimes PROMOTE said crimes and make certain people view them in a positive light. If certain people view them in a positive light “I want that! I want to do that! It’s not so bad! It looks sexy!” It will make more people willing to do the crime or put themselves in danger. It’s also incredibly disrespectful towards real life victims and makes it harder for them to get justice. Truly gross that you don’t grasp that. Get help.
@@ghoultoothYes and video games cause violence too right!!!! I’m sorry but this is absurd. If you’re a grown adult and you’re reading adult books as if they’re morality pamphlets then you should be court ordered to touch grass.
What pisses me off about the Jinx fandom is that if Dan's first boss that tried to assault him was handsome, I know full well they would bend over backwards trying to defend him too. It's so goddamn gross how they keep denying literal r*pe just cuz Dan is "getting paid" news flash that's NOT how consent works
News flash flash: that's what Dan's job is, Jaekyung's conditions were; wherever he wanted when he wanted it's not about Dan at all. It doesn't matter if Dan enjoys it, it's gonna happen whether Dan feels like it or not, which is what he agreed to get paid. I also want to add that this manhwa qualifies as a non-con, so the consept of "consent" is not mistaken, or done poorly it wasn't intended to be there in the first place. I'm not saying it's right, I'm just saying, it's their agreement and that's the point of "plot".
@@breakfasttequilanot you being a rape apologist. Was it also part of the plot or arrangement to throw things at him? That's straight sexual violence that not even consensual sex covers. Even in the frame of the agreement, the red flag just had to make things unbelievably more uncomfortable because of the contracts. And like the video discusses, that's violating the contract that's violating human decency that's violence on top of non consensual sex which is called rape.
@@mfunikakayadeborah2732 Rape apologist towards a literal drawing?? Hilarious. And congratulations🎉 on figuring out that non-con means rape! Because that is indeed STILL the category of this manhwa (which I didn't even create btw) I'm just saying that everything happening is fully intentional and not at all a misconception of a healthy relationship like some people like to think. From rape, to the violence and jjk being an asshole overall (it's all INTENTIONAL) so to answer your question; yes it is all still the plot, that the author wrote, re-read, drew and re-read once more then published it. And it should not be surprising when it receives its target audience who happen to enjoy pretty-privilege-abuser-plots.
@@breakfasttequila if a dog is pushed into a corner, it cannot escape a collar no matter how much it struggles. dan was forced into complying with the terms of the "contract". he was coerced, and what comes with coercion is unwillingness. "it's a drawing" is an excuse. it doesn't matter if it's fiction, if it's a drawing; it is based on very REAL, very NON FICTIONAL human situations. if someone supports art depicting rape, it's quite rational to assume that they support rape in general. I understand that "Jinx" was labelled as non-con, but why on earth would somebody willingly subject themselves to a story involving rape? odd
@@breakfasttequila Spoiler alert, just because it's a drawing doesn't mean it's NOT wrong for it to romanticise R*PE and NON-CON and S*XUAL VIOLENCE. Just like there's drawings of ppl being m*lested, it simply doesn't stop being wrong just because it's a drawing. The author was trying to depict this toxic relationship as normal and ppl beleived it because a character was hot. It reflects on us as a society, it not only happens in fiction but in real life too. It's a real issue that's being normalised in romantic fiction.
I cried while reading this because the main character really doesn’t get a break. His life just keeps getting worse and worse and worse and by the end I found i had cried during EVERY SINGLE CHAPTER. It felt like someone was getting off by writing these moments of pure suffering and grief.
Because they are. Fetish non-con and whump stories like these are written because the author and the audience get off on the suffering of the cute main character. It’s got a whole trope name and everything: Break the Cutie.
I also cried in several chapters!! To be honest, I kept reading it but only because I wanted to see this poor man finally catch a break 😭 I feel so bad for him and he's not even real
I didn't read it because I didn't want to associate with this kind of story but after waatching this video I feel literally so bad for the mc I could cry aswell and the fact that people actually enjoy this story is INSANE to me
this manhwa is so shitty that someone on wattpad ended up rewriting the entire thing, just without the sa. and people loved it 💀 a teenager made a better story than the original creator-
Jinx without Jae's weird talent would just be " hey so I'm gay and I box and I also have toxic masculinity" So it would be be jae just trying to figure how how he's gonna tell dan he wants to hook up 0-0
@@SaveSodaWtf! I'm underage too and I wanna throw up from hearing these stories!! Why the hell would anyone want to be in that position!? No thanks, I'm suicidal enough..
This is crazy when she said “Cameron heron was sentenced for 24 years but the people on Tik tok thinks he should not get arrested for being “too cute” that part was crazy. It also reminded me of Ted Bundy
Reminds me of those women and gay men obsessed with Jeffery Dahmer because of the Netflix show and got tattoos of him which was very insensitive for a couple of reasons one major one being not having consent from the victims families to create the show so even more disregard for people and disrespecting not only the families of the victims but the victims themselves by saying "but he was hot though" that's not even getting to people saying hating Jeffery Dahmer is homophobic because he raped and coerced young boys and killed them which is wild as all hell.
@@magicalpopfish9570 You're definitely right, and Jeffrey specifically targeted gay men/boys (specifically ones of color) because he knew that no one would believe or listen to them. It's haunting to think about how much shit someone can get away with cause they considered "hot".
@@FluiidGliitchAnd the fact they made the series without even consulting the families of the victims… just… ew. Especially when you had people on TikTok and Twitter bragging about how they thought it should’ve been gorier.
@@FluiidGliitch Yep. I’d say they’re a true crime ghoul but most true crime fans stick to documentaries. This was really more for people who find Evan Peters hot and folks who think that consuming this kind of media is a take that to the “normies and Karen’s”.
NO CUS IM GLAD YOU BROUGHT THIS UP because the first time they yk that shit was 100% non consensual and the way most people let it slide just shocked me💀
There’s a really infamous Twitter thread I saw where several fujoshis admitted they have an easier time reading stories about men being SA’d than women because it’s harder to see men as victims… and it was framed as this super progressive and feminist standpoint. Genuinely disgusts me how people think downplaying male sexual assault is feminist (especially ironic from people who refuse to read GL)
the funniest most saddest part is the fact that Dan left not cuz he was sick of the treatment he recieved but because he felt responsible as his physical therapist and felt like he had to resign💀🙏
The only sane character in jinx is that red flag’s ex , idk if you remember him but basically Dan started delivering pizza to buy jak a gift for birthday and he met the ex , the ex basically went full on saying Dan is a fool for expecting him to change and that jak loves only himself, and people of course hated him for saying the truth to Dan I don’t understand the author’s problem, like at least in her past work bj Alex , the bottom realized his worth and was like I can’t be with someone who doesn’t feel the same. He still forgave very fast but at least he had a bit of backbone and hell even the ml was still a bit better jak and I can kinda see why he was being a prick since the bottom can easily ruin his life and reputation with his secret
@@lumityviktuuristanartist4100I mean let’s be honest jinx and bj Alex are two very different shoes! Alex was an ahole but he knew the conditions and still wanted to have a physical relationship with him ( apart from the toy scene -.-, that was just so bad) this was okay as long as like you said we got to see him stand up for himself and Alex changing. But jinx?! That is straight up abuse from day 1 and ppl still continue reading where I’m like? What could possibly happen dear readers that you think this bro could be redeemed. What bs backstory could the author drop for you to act as if all is forgiven and forgotten, as if we can’t figure out ourselves that someone like the boxer probably was abused as a child too.
I've written a paper on this topic for my psychological literature class. It's surprising how heteronormativity and misogyny are prevalent even in spaces meant for MLM (men loving men). BL (Boys' Love) media, in particular, often normalizes rape, sexual assault, toxic relationships, and other forms of suffering for the bottom character. The uke (bottom) is portrayed as more feminine, which allows the predominantly female readership to sympathize with him. Meanwhile, the seme (top) is depicted as an excessively masculine manly man. This dynamic demonstrates how queer media is co-opted by heteronormative norms, imposing traditional gender roles on two men. The only logical explanation for why authors frequently make the uke miserable is the application of heteronormativity to queer media. BL is more popular among straight teenage girls than it is among actual gay men like myself. It's quite clear to distinguish between BL content created by and for gay men and that which is produced by and for straight teenage girls.
this is why I quit bl it never dawned on me just how twisted these character's arcs are putting them through. I've personally never read Jinx but had accidentally started manhwas similar to this before and felt absolutely appalled when the top was forcing the bottom, I completely agree with the fact that its just the female-male stereotype relationship but just slapped onto this "Gay" facade (sorry if it came off as offensive). I think if I were to look at it from a teenage girl's mindset, theyre just indulging in pleasure actions without worrying bout birth control! Until you bring in the digusting things the top does and it started to change my view on how most BLs are written these days. This whole "BL" fandom yes including weirder stuff like the ABO world settings etc is just...I dont even wanna describe it, its just putrid and makes me sick to the stomach that I've ever read any and thought that was fine.
I think people forget the history of bl and yaoi. None of those have ever been made by gay men, it was originally made (and it still is) by straight women. The reason why it’s a gay couple instead of a straight one was to exempt the women writing and reading of feeling dirty when expressing their sexuality. The bottom was created to be an avatar of the feminine, in an universe where his feminine beauty was seen as something to envy and be in awe of instead of being ridiculed as a lesser man, while the top was the avatar of the masculine, which represents the men these women get into relationships with or fantasize about. This is why bl and yaoi is so heteronormative and why so many of them depict toxic relationships, it’s a way of coping FOR WOMEN. There are definitely similar forms of media that are catered towards queer people, but bl and yaoi are not it and, in my opinion, shouldn’t be considered queer media, since it isn’t made by queer people, doesn’t cater to queer people and it’s a bad representation of gay men. But of course, consuming these types of dark romances, especially from a young age, without any type of critical thinking about the material or guidance will end up, in the long run, influencing the reader to normalize abuse and toxic relationships. Just, please, don’t call something like bl and yaoi queer media again.
There are some bl which are not romantic but psychological. so its easier to digest. Though, comics like Jinx and 'cry or better yet beg' are kinda unreadable with the way they portray things. There are plenty of wholesome bl also, though they are usually labelled under shounen ai.
there’s a lot of BLs that are actually healthy, though. And also ones that don’t have the “big buff masculine seme x small feminine uke” dynamic. My favs are Our Sunny Days, The Pizza Delivery Man and the Gold Palace, Pink Heart Jam, My Guildmate Next Door, Define The Relationship, Cherry Magic, Dokyuusei/Sotsugyousei, After We Gazed At The Starry Sky, Given, Here U Are, etc these are just the ones I can name off the top of my head. My point is that stereotyping the BL genre into the “toxic masculinity masc top x fem bottom” dismisses some amazing stories that deserve love and recognition without the stigma behind the BL genre.
As someone who got assaulted by both men and women throughout my life time, I related a lot to Don and the very visible effects of sexual assault, the feeling of helplessness, not having anyone to tell, and over all just not enjoying sex or even wanting it anymore. This webtoon would be good if it was to bring light to abusive homosexual relationships because it's portrayed amazingly but instead... just like many others... it's romanticized. I don't understand how people can read this and think "hm, wow, so romantic, i'm rooting for them...." Don is being abused over and over... and over. And the fact that jaekyung remains abusive would've been used as a statement because 90% of the time, people like that don't change and even though they are sent to jail or even publicly called out for it, there's a small chance they'll change. I wish in season 2, the author actually gets sense and puts jaekyung behind bars and Don in therapy and a better living state, because no way in fuck is any other alternative story ending more suitable.
this is the kind of broad fandom that also read a story literally called killing/stalking (featuring a serial killer and his stalker) and managed to think "serial killer kidnapping and enslaving his stalker" was hot hot romance... when it originally was meant to be super messed up and two different kinds of dangerously unstable ending up in the most abusive relationship on both sides simultaneously. (author decided to give up and milk the fans for the money and get the bag by catering to the fanservice.)
The most I've seen are people saying something about a redemption arc or him having a sad backstory. The fact that most of them don't realize that having sad lives doesn't excuse anyone for being a crappy person. It's even shown in the manhwa itself. Dan has had such a horrible life and yet still remains kind despite it all. Honestly, the only ideal (and unrealistic in terms of Jinx) ending would be that Dan finally gets his life together and leaves.
Ppl are js gonna defend this horse jaekgyung saying he had a hard life when we was younger or smth still doesn’t excuse for his disgusting behaviour and actions this manhwa and it’s fans are vile😐😐
People are probably saying that because of another manhwa made by the same author had a bad ml and then mc leaves ml and ml regrets it also had a bad past which is why he acted the way he did
@@NovdoriI’ve read the one you mentioned (BJ Alex right?) and I don’t think that kind of redemption is even possible in Jinx. The ml from that story started out really shitty, yes, but he never got past the point of no return like the one from Jinx. Right from the start BJ Alex’ relationship with the mc was consensual. It was in fact the mc who initiated it quite enthusiastically (honestly at times I cringe a little at the way mc inserted himself into ml’s life despite them not having any from of relationship prior and behaves so pushy and clingy just because he was the fan of ml’s broadcasts, but that’s beside the point). And the ml never abused him, it’s more like being extra shitty because he’s annoyed by mc and wanted him gone, and mc could have left him anytime he wanted. And he did too, hence the whole redemption arc of ml winning mc back. With Jinx, it’s straight up r*pe right from the start, the mc is coerced and threatened into not leaving, silenced by ml having so much more power, influence and money than him, the ml abuses him physically and verbally, and even when mc was starting to show some feelings towards ml (probably Stockholm’s Syndrome honestly), he got physically and verbally humiliated for it. No amount of tragic backstory could ever make the ml earn a redemption arc. It’s bad enough that the story is presented and advertised as a “rough” romantic BL instead of a psychological horror that it is, if the story decided to give them a “happy ending” and brought them together at the end, my opinion of the author really will be down the drain forever.
Oh girl, most bl fans justify violent, sexual assaulter tops by bringing up how the top had an awful upbringing and adding “but see how he tried to change 🥺”.
bi woman here. i dated another bi woman for a while. she sexualized mlm relationships, was a big fan of this series for obvious reasons, and i heard her say multiple times that she wished we were both men... thank god she cheated on me because this relationship was already fucked😬
Ugh thank you for speaking up. As a gay man who really likes consuming BL stuff, it's heartbreaking to see my sexuality constantly used in rape fetish comics. I rarely read a BL manhwa without some form of rape in it, I can't escape it. I just want a cute love story like all the straight ones :(
I have no idea if this would be your thing but have you ever watched the Untamed or Word of Honor? They’re Chinese fantasy BL shows disguised as bromance on Netflix, and the two male leads have very, very well-written dynamics. The plots are a bit confusing, but the acting (in the Untamed especially) is very good and they’re both worth watching if you want something completely free of SA fetishization
@@nhyalg4076 You're so real for this, I personally watched TGCF and loved it, and I've seen a bit of MDZS as well. I guess what I like most about them is how the plot develops on its own without the romance controlling everything, and that leads to well-written, interesting characters in their own right. It also allows for the story itself to be darker at times, but the romances are still very sweet and, well, romantic. You know that the couples actually love each other and care about each other deeply.
@@elainez Yes! MDZS gets me in the feels every time. I cry like a baby at the climax 😂 There’s just such emotion in both stories, it’s so powerful. Completely forgot about TGCF/Heaven’s Official Blessing but I do enjoy that one as well and have been meaning to watch S2 🤔
You know it’s not Mingwa’s fault if these kids’ parents are so irresponsible to give them unlimited and unsupervised access to internet. Hell, you shouldn’t even be here either if you’re a 7th grader just like them 💀
@@Hoshi-i8z I'll defend parents a little bit on this one. It's so normal to give kids phones these days but parental controls on these devices can be circumvented. If a parent is regularly checking in on all the messages, conversations, group chats and websites, they will be judged as too controlling to these early teenagers or helicopters parents or not giving the kids privacy, not respecting boundaries. Heck, kids handle technology better than adults, so if they want to hide, they will hide. There was a case of kids using a bible app to share porn & sext with strangers. Parents can only hope the good morals in their homes will help the kids discern what is toxic & what isn't.
@@rhuonaChanel THIS I've been on tt since i was 8 in 2016 since the second quarantine the app has changed so much it's not a safe space for anyone anymore
People at that age don't have fully developed brains, so they're immature and wouldnt know that what they're reading is wrong. I'm not justifying it but they will move on one day and become more matured hopefully. Its normal, I've been there before. Having this phase at a young age will not really affect their way of thinking, they'll grow out of it
@@youdonthavetoknowmyname8263 please don't prejudice every kid. A few kids are a lot more mature for their age. I mean, I hated this shit even when I was in before my teens, and I was maybe a bit too careful..
Jaekyung doesn't even have a real personality. Let's start at that. His range of emotions are rage, rage, rage and I don't think I've mentioned this one before, RAGE.
@@chronosaurus547 I think he's actually and deeply insecure behind his rage and tough exterior, considering the fact that he acts all agitated, and destroys everything whenever something doesn't go his way.
This video reminds me of how killing stalking became a famous dark romance in the bl community even beind actually an effed psychological horror story with heavy stuff that nobody would love to romantisize if the main psychotic character wouldn't handsome asf
So true I've seen so many people saying that it was a romance and whatever but I think of it as a dark horror and that's why I liked it I didn't like it because it was a BL because it's definitely not a Bl to me I enjoyed it because it was horror and I love horror fiction this is not a BL at all and people need to stop romanticizing because there's no romance at all nothing romantic happened
I hate it when an author uses physical pleasure as evidence that the main character has feelings for ML or that they enjoy forced act. And then an author turn it into love. It's not only a problem with BL manhwas, but also with straight ones.
TBH Jinx and the fact that Korea doesn’t have these laws just make me sick to my stomach. Because this happens so much in fiction and in real life and it seems like it won’t go away soon. As a male, this is horrifying that I could be a victim (and was) and not be supported by laws. I have been a victim of being SA’d before, and it was only put into files for being hit by my father, who hit me after I reported the police about what my step mother did. I’m glad people are talking about this, but I already experienced how unfair laws are and it’s devastating.
I’m so sorry :( and yes, it’s absolutely terrifying. it’s not even just for homosexuals, but for men in general that are unable to be protected by domestic laws. I really hope it changes soon.
I honestly think the whole reason it’s not taken seriously is because it’s a man, it’s between the same gender The public doesn’t care much if sa happens to a man, nor if it’s women on women or man on man because it’s not what their “ideal” victim is, a small and fragile woman that “needs to be protected!”
What’s even worse is that most of its readers are underaged, and they’d go out of their way just to defend this behavior with the lamest excuses you could ever think of. I once stated my opinion on this and then a bunch of them started spamming me wtf 💀
Yeah, my cousin who is 14 reads this and I had a good chat with her and explained why this was wrong. Recommend her some better BLs that weren't toxic but yeah. These fujoshi girls are still growing a frontal lobe and probably don't fully understand what's actually going on
@@vazanere She doesn't have a single brain cell in her head. MC here is smart and talented, just a bit hapless (and depicted as both very weak and very strong - he must be strong to do the kind of sports physico depicted)
it’s always “if you don’t like it, just don’t read it” what makes you think i’m still reading it?? i read enough, then decided to drop it. now i can give my opinion on why i dropped it and how it’s actual dogshit garbage that romanticizes SA. if people don’t like something, they typically express WHY. edit: people don’t hate things for no reason. that’s why opinions exist. that’s why completely valid criticism exists.
i didnt even NEED to read it, i saw the ads and i was like "huh??", read the reviews about who crazy it was and forever started bashing anyone who even TRIED to defend it or was reading it.
man i dont even know how most of the tops that are popular in the bl genre are technically rapists with how noncon it all starts like, come on, even roses and champagne is popular and it baffles me that its up there every time
The line "if you don't like it, just don't read it" is just their excuse to escape further argument. They won't listen to yall's opinions cause they are so blinded by Jaekyung. Total turn off to them.
Thank you. This is what needed to be said. The amount of people I’ve heard saying that Jinx is “okay”, made my blood boil. I know people who went through this; and I’m one of them. It’s not fun. Jinx and YBC; are the same in a sense, by their topics and people still try to say “it’s okay”, and “oh, it’s harming no one”. When it’s lying, it harms people, who like myself, have experienced and lived through that. Some clothing they liked in the past gets ruined by them scars and it’s not fun.
Ok but even if he made the decision willingly, like no dying grandma, no debts, he just thought it might be a good idea or thought he might enjoy it but then ended up being mistreated, that still makes him a victim. Just cuz we decide to do something, doesn't always erase victim status when things go bad.
Just popping in to agree before I’ve remotely finished the vid. That’s like saying “oh because you hung out with someone in your apartment and then got attacked that because you let this person you knew kinda well from DnD over and what are you, stupid?” (I know this is basically a way more complicated “well look at what s/he/they were wearing, of course it happened” way of phrasing it) because I’m sorry, doing a thing that is not agreeing to be actively hurt in the exact way that you get hurt is… not a reason to get hurt! And if you do a thing TO be hurt in that way, some things by their nature (as in: “the definition includes ‘against one’s will’”) can’t be agreed to!!!! God, sometimes people (like the whole A/B/O thing where some people are SOOO CLOSE to applying it irl) are just… so willing to miss the point. Thank you for saying this!
And I think that's the issues though, regardless, he's victimized and everyone subconsciously acknowledges it but disregards that factor due to romanticization of angst and the ideology that a redemption arc is subsequential to a plot when in reality this is often overlooked. It's never depicted in a way that shows progress or genuine development, just "oh he realizes he's actually in love and they have more sex but this time passionately" while constantly overlooking the issue in itself.
I’m so glad that someone is finally talking about how bad this manhwa is ☹️☹️ the thing that shocks me the most tho is how the author clearly doesn’t recognize the abusive and toxic relationship she has created and is seemingly having fun with it???
@@adiagilbert8894 FR!!! like not them pushing negative sterotypes of gay men into mass media. "I'm an ally" then they fetishize us, think we're accessories, and don't care for homoseuxal sexual violence.
Thing is, killing stalking is a psychological horror! Jinx is genuinely trying to be a romance! The fandoms are similar but the source material couldn’t be more different
I have a female friend that like read this a lot and in school she was talking with me and another friend and asked her if she read the last comic, i didnt know about it and like she explained some stuff and i was like, bro, thats so abusive and violent and like my other friend was like the same but that other friend defended the relationship and was like he can change and stuff, but me and my other friend were like, no, that doesnt happen, and she was like its fiction and stuff, and she said something in the words of the comic being a different approach of what the author does and that the author did it good and other stuff, but i really found it disturbing and sickening, great video btw
i am SO glad that this video exists. Recently, my school has had an uprising in the normalization of jinx. For example, photocards of joo jaekyung and the ml hanging off their bags and in their wallets in which they flaunt it around like its something normal. I'm so glad this video exists to spread awareness aswell as smack some reality into people like those I mentioned. Thank you, really.
@Mritti_Born2Lead Oh trust me, it's always the ones who preach about everything progressive yet their actions says otherwise. They are very shallow, hence there will be hypocritical shit like talking about consent and women being SAed then going home to fetishise gay men getting raped. How do I know? I go to school with so many of those.
That is exactly the main point the author was trying to point on Jinx. That misogyny is an inevitable reality all girls can experience while growing up as women with abuse.
There was a great video that explored how bl stories are so entertaining for straight women especially because they can have it as an escapism from misogyny and the risks of being a woman in a heterosexual relationship. It just keeps on happening,just like in Killing Stalking(not a queer romance but it's an example of this issue) where the fans were romanticising their relationship as toxic and obsessive but in a hot enviable way when it was the guy who got abuse but then the fans were triggered when there were chapters that showed female victims who were treated the same by the kidnapper. It's because it is so much easier to not personify the abuse a character goes through if you don't share the same gender as them hence making them less likely to empathize or see how problematic the situation portrayed is. Because women being violated and abused by men is so prevalent in the real world,seeing abuse portrayed in a hetero relationship is not as enjoyable for the same female fans that want to escape the constrains of misogyny and how it affects them in their every day life.
its crazy how popular it is too,, like have you seen those buildings in korea where fans buy actual BILLBOARDS to celebrate the birthday of jaekyung?? shit had me FLABBERGASTED
It's also popular bc the creator of this "bl" made another famous bl named "Bj Alex" It wasn't THAT clean and unproblematic either, but way better and people did like it. Seeing another story of the same author made people curious and some keep reading bc they hope it'll get better
The thing I hate the most is not even the portayed abuse in the manhwa (you can make a good psychological thriller depicting abuse), but the way the author tries to sell you this as a romance story. As you've mentioned, she doesn't think of Dan as a victim, she doesn't consider it to be rap3, she wants them to be in love. When in the end of season 1 Jaekyung got his ass beaten and Dan left (even tho not for the right reasons, but left nonetheless) I was hoping that the story will acknowledge the horrors of this relationship and makes the abuser suffer the consequences. But the way the characters who got fed up with Jaekyung's treatment are portrayed as pricks and morally bad guys, while the dude who condemns them and tries to convince everyone to help Jaekyung is obviously supposed to be the "voice of reason" I highly doubt the author will get the story in a right direction. I fear that Jaekyung will go through some shit, we'll be shown some super sad backstory that will be supposed to excuse his actions, and he'll say "sorry" at most and they'll live happily ever after. I DO NOT CARE how sad of a story he has or what other external factors make him act this way they will never convince me that it can be excused. It's not "just fiction", it's a popular piece of media that makes people comment shit like SA victims are wrong. Also rule of thumb - imagine if the criminal was not conventionally attractive and ask yourself if it still looks okay.
no cuz shes obsessed with this trope of the ml abusing the mc and then suddenly making a chasing arc once they leave and suddenly theyre in love and its SO AGGRAVATING
See, that's just weird to me. I'm fine with writing a story exactly like this, but make it what it is. A story about a guy whose life is miserable and a macho attractive dude who takes advantage from him. You can explore dark themes with out romanticizing what they actually are. How fans take it however is a different story. Killing Stalking is a horror/thriller novel, and people still ship it to hell and back, which is fine, do whatever with fictional people, not so fine with RL people, but that story admits what it is. Trying to make drama and dark content as if it's actually healthy is where I draw a line. You can like and enjoy terrible people and terrible fictional characters. Plenty of people like villains, both well written and very flat but sexy ones. I rarely judge by what people create, but it does say something about a writer and possibly the culture they come from (be it national, familial or whatever else) if they write something abusive and don't realize it's abuse. That said, there are plenty of people in real life who are woefully educated on what abuse is and how it doesn't always mean a black eye or even physical assault. So, the world has a lot of catching up to do in this regard. And yes, that is a great rule of thumb because IRL also has issues with this. We excuse a lot of real life people and criminals if they are considered attractive.
@@vinvin7809 As much as Jaekyung is represented as a role model with the pretty privilege for men, what he did to Dan is something which is really unforgiveable and inexcusable. Dan really didn't know him well as a person and Jaekyung didn't know Dan either. They were conveniently 2 random people in a toxic situationship. For the people who victim blame Dan for "asking" this, should feel ashamed of themselves. Jaekyung was clearly the abuser, to the superior position in the entire Jinx series and was aware of it himself.
@@vixxcelacea2778 I agree with you wholeheartedly. I just wish that they'd write a mc that expresses more emotions instead of just fear, sadness and Disney princess. I don't mind stories like this, if the mc is more grounded and are more reactive to their treatment where is some cases they become genuinely upset, lash out or fight back. Unfortunately they have characters keep those dispositions for a short time in a lot of stories which is a bummer. And I hate..HATE when they make the mc become obsessed with the jerk semi LI like they had no life before them.
I saw this comment on something where someone was like “ I’m asexual, so I can read these and not feel attraction to this, so it really stumps people when I say this” Being asexual doesn’t save you from perpetuating the r@pe culture in these comics. It doesn’t save you from regurgitating the anti-victim mentality in these comics. And it sure doesn’t save you from sexually abusive relationships. What Jinx IS is propaganda, selling the idea of sexual violence being acceptable at the hands of abusers. The fact that the intention of the author is to put him through a rue dimentary hell so he can pay for some shit she didn’t really need to write in the first place makes me so hot.
Furthermore, in her creator’s note, she states that she likes writing stories where the abusive asshole goes through hell, I don’t want people to ever harass these artists, but I do want them to start looking differently at their angle. Enough is enough
Do you actually think this comic is making people think that sexual violence is acceptable? Why do you think women are stupid? Why do you think a stupid story is enough to convince women that sexual violence is okay, actually???
Bruh the fuck, I’m asexual and I dropped this shit in the first chapter, it’s literally morals. And believe or not, some asexuals love to read the lovey dovey stuff (fiction), so that person is beyond stupid
It’s the fact she knows he’s abusive and how he’s treating Dan is disgusting, the only time he was even descent to Dan was when he was drunk !!!!! And the fans are worse because they say he’s a red flag but that turns them on and I’m wtf ?!?! This reminds of a comic called statistic beauty and there is a side story to it that focus on a gay relationship and it’s literally killing stalking but a little lighter , still horrific., the bottom not only is straight ( canonically, literally the author admired it not bi, STRAIGHGT) he gets hit , kidnapped , chained up , brutally beaten , bottles of alchol smashed in his head when wants to leave , electrified, and r@ped multiple time by the twisted sick main lead , and the author admired the bottom was based on her ex and this was basically her revenge story and I felt disgusted as hell
The main thing I genuinely dislike about some people dismissing actions that either real or fake (like characters in manhwas or real criminals or any) people do is legitimately at the fact they’re either “hot” or because they have a “redemption arc” or going through one etc, in which is still not a real reason nor excuse to justify what they’ve done, like, absolutely not…😭🙏
Been in a Jinx group before and lemme tell you, the #1 response to 'I hate Jaekyung' or 'Jaekyung is a horrible person, red flag, irredeemable' is usually 'trust the process' or 'this is season 1 Jaekyung', essentially it's usually defending him without stop. I dunno if I'm just remembering incorrectly but I don't think BJ Alex had this many red flags, it's honestly hard to believe both are by the same person because while BJ Alex definitely isn't perfect, I don't remember Ahn Jiwon assaulting his SO, again you can remind me because it's been a long time.
No because I had to stop reading Jinx cuz it made me so uncomfortable, there are SO MANY manhwas out there that are trying so hard to normalize SA and it’s so disgusting 🤢 thank you for bringing this to light.
As a victim of both SA and the R word me too dude like how do people enjoy this stuff :( It’s disgusting yet there are people out there who would gleefully think it’s “hot” and it’s “romance” but once your in the victim’s situation then its messed up??
I stopped reading after that chapter where heesung was summoned by jaekyung and you know the rest.....I was so shocked that I stopped reading it. Wtf was that
This video was so well put together and addressed these issues in such a respectful and serious light, 10/10. And to any victims who've been in a similar situation I hope you're in a better place and have at least found some solace ❤
You ate this, The thing I geniunely don't like about the whole dynamic is how, Mingwa tried to slip around the nature of the story by making it so that Dan "agreed" to the actions Jaekyung takes due to it being apart of their "contract". But she literally made Dan sign his bodily autonomy away to Jaekyung especially when Jaekyung paid off the Debt and he said to dan "I Paid for you with cold hard cash" (Which you included at 8:00)
uhm there's already tons of shoujo manhwa that are also popular that's like that, since a few years back but you also didn't protest about it that's the reason why I stop reading het romance. but no one actually protest about that 🤔 there's also a lot of abuse in the current romance manhwa contents but no one's talking
Not really. This is a common trope in Asian romance forever, or at least since I could read. Heterosexual, GL/BL stories all feature this. It’s clear that this video is viewing the phenomenon through a western progressive lens and it doesn’t click.
Not exactly... there are tons of toxic shoujo manga and YA novels that depicts toxic male leads and submissive female characters that gets fucked over multiple times yet girls still swoon over it. It's disappointing.
this is so common too in the bl manhwa/yaoi manga genre which is sad. even those old japanese yaoi mangas from the 90s are primarily abusive/unhealthy relationships where consent is just thrown out the window and assault is fetishized. Like??? 😭
I had noticed by the example of popular Russian hentai sites like Hentaichan and Yaoichan that Yaoichan has less diverse tag system than Hentaichan and there are NO "rape" tag. So, you can avoid things you don't like in hentai sites made primarily for heterosexual men, while in yaoi/bara sites, you have to be VERY careful while starting to read smut manga because there will be things you don't like and that you were not warned about.
@@peachesandcream22 it also doesn't help that the fans the fans that recommended these types of stories tend to not see it as sa or rape and then don't warn or mark the stories as such, making it harder to find one without it, like on tiktok and even regular reading sites, unless you got roped into it by a recommendation, you don't really know what you're getting in to
I always do find out odd that at that point they just don’t insert women because then it would be perceived as problematic, even though they feminized the males to the point that the only thing that stops them from being a woman is what’s between their legs.
@@Coconasbaldshinyluminoushead Uuh actually 🤓 it's about the height difference. The Uke is always portrait as smaller and more slender than the Seme. I wonder why
I read like the first 3 or 4 chapters and dropped it cuz I started sobbing when Dan gave up his body just for the sake of saving his grandma and paying debt, and it being the only option he really had at the time is even more heartbreaking. After all that he still thinks it's his fault...
I'm so sorry for spamming the comments, but my lord i love this video so much, i've watched it multiple times. The education about consent, SA and Fries is just too good.
the fact that Mingwa previously wrote a story in which the violence was romanticized as well is actually terrifying. I read the BJ Alex because people said it was great but… it was so wrong how the intimacy was portrayed. I hoped this was going to be different but it’s actually worse, i dropped it very early.
as a gay man who reads bl, bj alex was one of my first reads and it still bothers the absolute fuck out of me the way ahn jiwon treated DongGyun. like it really irks me how he continued to be an asshole and DG just let him be because “i have a crush on him.” Jiwon needed to grovel and be sad longer for the pain he caused
@@nourmallysalty not a man but bj alex was one of the first manhwas i read too. at the time i LOVED it but the more time has gone on the more i despise it for exactly that reason. honestly jinx is bj alex with its worst aspects dialed up to 11, like dubious consent in bj alex? fuck that in jinx its blatant rape. jiwon was quite a massive dick to dg? well jaekyung is straight up abusive to dan and pretty much everyone around him. theres probably more but idk i dont feel like revisiting either
So basically since he's not a woman he's not a victim? How would people react if Dan was a woman? Anyone can be a Victim No matter gender Race Sexuality ethnicity Nationality
exactly !!! sadly the view of “the ideal victim” is still relevant, but I’m hoping more and more people will open their eyes and realize that you don't need certain aspects to make you a victim.
Im not English good, but I want ask, are you able to see the different between fiction and reality? And are you the type of person to sy you proship you deserve deaht and fiction efec reality? My friend send me you video and said while saying "you deserve death for liking jinx" (translasion)@@LABYYY
@@FiolentaPasyenribefore you start throwing accusations at the op, rewatch this video properly. You skipped the part where she clearly explains why the excuse of fiction doesn’t actually work when it comes to stories like Jinx. Yes, fiction isn’t reality, but it can affect how someone views reality, especially when a person has consumed so much problematic content that portrays it with no care, or even warnings. And where the hell did pro shippers come from? Do you consider yourself to be one? If that’s the case then please reevaluate why you condone such things in the media you consume, without the excuse of it just being fiction, because that’s a fickle excuse. And on the topic of your friend, nobody should wish death upon others, so your friend is wrong in that regard. But if I was your friend, I would be concerned as to why you enjoy a dumpster fire like Jinx in the first place. 😅
@@admiremyimmeasurablebeauty401 right? the whole "not distinguishing fiction from reality" excuse is getting tiring especially when excusing a literal CRIME.
@@zuzu7918 what crime??? Line and color??? Is it propaganda ???? Or is it just a story using 'two dolls'. I am a proshipper, I bet none of ya understand the actual meaning, but I am actually a victim and I can see the different between fiction and reality. Those who said I do this bcs of a certain character are already mentally ill from the start, hence why proshipper is only on the fictional basis, if the character based on an actual person who doesn't want to be drawn that way, then proshipper won't support it. I actually try my best to help others in the same thing as me and not shaming or tell them to stop doing their coping mechanism. And what have y'all actually do????
Due to curiosity, I read this author’s work (I’ve read BJ Alex before), and the amount of fans who fail to see the portrayal of this relationship as horrifying is shocking. They treat what MC going through as ‘oh he will get used to it soon ☹️ just another angst before things get fluffy again’ like no this isnt just some boyfriends arguing 🤦♂️ this is a crime. This isn’t some ‘bad boy x nerd’, that is a r*pist and a victim. If the story doesn’t end with the ‘love interest’ serving life in prison, then what’s the point? To satisfy a disgusting fantasy where if you stay long enough, thing’ll get better? Korean ‘romance’ authors just open a spreadsheet of red flags and start highlighting them with pink is truly a common sight to see.
Assult R cases in Korea is notorious to be lenient and has been discrimitory towards the victim rather than the prepetrator. In fact look up Miryang Gang Case, the victim has been harrassed by the family member of the prepetrator to the point of actually settling it with money withdrawing the case. Prior to that the victim was interrogated by the investigator as if she was the instigator to be abused by these so called middle school gangs. The most notible victim that brought the case to light, was that sadly her parents didn't give her the support throught this horrible investigation and harrasment, leading to the victim being super vurnable thus why she made that descision even tho they could have potentially won that case. Worse of the multiple prepetrators were living normal even some with successful lives that were exposed to the media. We haven't even touch the CR which you can look at Cho Doo-soon case which the most infurating part is the release section where the perp actualy lived not so far away from the victim.
I mean KS and painters of the night unfortunately opened the doors for these dynamics to become really trendy and then Jinx and all the others started. If it didn’t have beautiful art or full color, if this was a manga from like 10+ years ago these ppl would react very differently. That boxer was irredeemable from the first three chapters literally with their first interactions and even before he meet Dan, already was introduced as someone that is violent. The fact that these ppl continued reading this, like what are they looking for?
I genuinely don''t understand why people bother read something what's clearly not their cup of tea, like if you don't like it, it's completely fine, but please don't cling to it and scroll over to read something else
@@lolzdhelo9847 … You do realize a manhwa can look all lovey dovey & rainbows yet can still blindside you with SA? For ex, "Cherry Blossoms after Winter" in the final chapter. I actually like BL manhwas & still do, but i’m more so delving into the need to include SA in their work. I never suggested that I dislike the genre, but the certain things in said genre.
Yeah that's fucked up. Definitely not someone who should be reading like... Any kind of problematic media. It's fine to say "personally I find this fictional situation hot, as a fantasy". It's not fine to like, try to explain it away, to convince people it's unproblematic.
I think in stories like this, the author has every right to dive into any kind of topic, even tough ones like this. It’d be strange if all writers just made ‘sanitized’ stories, avoiding the darker themes we know exist in real life. What really frustrates me about this work, though, isn’t just the clichéd attempt to justify the abuser, but also how illogical it all is plot-wise. Like, there’s this scene where Jaekyung suddenly shows up at the hospital to see the grandmother. It’s so out of character that it’s ridiculous, like they’re trying to make us believe he’s ‘not that bad.’ Look at him-he’s a terrible person, but he has a soft spot for a random stranger’s grandma he’s never even met. Up to this point, we’ve seen zero hints about Jaekyung’s past that could give us context or show another side of him. So when it gets to the grandma scene, it’s just not believable. And each chapter makes this character even more unlikeable-he’s pure evil with zero morals. And that would actually be fine if the story leaned into it, like setting it up so that everything ends badly for the characters, for example. Then it’d at least make psychological and narrative sense. I’m also not a fan of how Kim Dan’s character is shown. He’s 30, educated as a doctor, but he’s acting completely naive. With his ‘rescuer complex,’ he’s portrayed as a total doormat and honestly, not very smart. And okay, sure, you could have a character like that-something in his life might’ve made him this way, plus he has the sick grandma, his weak spot. In this situation, he might even ‘fall in love’ with his abuser (though obviously it’s not love, just a survival tactic for coping). But what bugs me is that Dan doesn’t seem to reflect on his life or situation at all; he’s written as a totally flat character. His so-called ‘love’ is shown one-sidedly and is romanticized like it’s a normal thing. And what’s even more irritating is that Jaekyung will probably get excused for everything; they’ll give him a ‘troubled childhood’ backstory, and everyone will just forgive him. So, no consequences for his actions. The story won’t have any kind of moral, point, or even remotely believable character development. So yeah, I think this work is weak not just for romanticizing abuse, but also because of its poor storytelling and character setup.
This comment is exactly how I feel thank you. I hate how the direction the story is going but what I dislike even more are the people who defend the manhwa and take offence to those who are critical of how the SA is handled. They think that just because it's fictional it makes it immune from criticism.
Jinx doesn’t seem to have a bad story, but it should serve as a message or warning on what SA looks like, since it accurately portrays SA in such depth. But instead the violence in it is glorified/romanticized, which is really disturbing and makes me cringe.
It’s really sad that in society (seems like it’s MANY cultures) that consent isn’t taught as a fact like you can pull away from consent ANYTIME and shouldn’t be coerced
Recently in my country two 5 YEAR OLD boys r4ped another kid in 2024 it's insane to think that actually happened and how parents and the world in general doesn't try to better our situation and i really hope all kids involved are okay
I'm so glad you're talking about this. I just finished it the other day and reading through the comments was maddening. People were defending jaekyung by saying it was consensual because Dan stayed and accepted the deal. Consent can be taken back any time and Dan's circumstances kind of forced his acceptance of the deal... I can't believe how people don't see it as rape! Dan was literally bleeding like wtf is wrong with people
The reason why BL manhwas and mangas are so filled with violence and grape is because all of these people are corn addicted, the authors and the consumers. If you watch enough corn the lighter stuff will start to lose its kick with time, so they need to find something more extreme to get the satisfaction they used to. That's how corn addiction works.
oh wow that actually makes sense... dang is this why some of my friends prefer more extreme things in their media? it would make sense for them bc they seek out very explicit books... man
I think the reason why Jaekyung (or whatever his name is) chose men instead of women is because he knows that he will get a lot of consequences from forcing them,if he made a woman do all of the stuff that Kim Dan had to go through (idk how to explain this) he'll face a lot of criticism,and he'll probably also end up in jail etc
@@Ni-kis.stickers I understand what you mean. Male sa/r*pe victims aren't taken seriously at all ( unfortunately) And most of the times their r*pists don't get any punishment at all because " men can't get r*ped" The justice system and society don't help male victims at all and that's sickening
This combined with the fact that no one knows his sexuality gives him this false sense of a security blanket; "no one would know, how would they find out", and his social status play in his favor. Unfortunately as we've seen, this rhetoric occurs in reality with people with power (in some capacity along with sometimes their looks) to fall back on so they aren't initially demonized in the public eye Also some really effed up men will literally *do* anyone/anything (if you get where I'm going here) just for their own pleasure... it's sick
The author herself has said multiple times that she loves bully romances and she loves when the "uke" character really has to suffers before getting the love at the end (it feels satisfying to her). She also stated that she knows these stories are problematic. I DESPISE this webtoon but I just wanted to repeat the authors notes. My conception is that she and her readers enjoy the extreme highs of extreme stories. There's no deeper meaning to it than it's a fictional fetish thing. I HIGHLY recommend watching ContraPoint's Twilight video, where she deep dives into the history of fetish reads.
This is exactly how it's like for me 😭😭 personally I'm not a fan of Jinx, mainly because it's not that interesting plot-wise, but I'm a masochist and have extreme fantasies. I've read worse stuff like An Easy Target & my fav is The Warehouse 😶🌫️
Honestly, I used to be one of Jinx's defenders until the Q&A dropped. I genuinely thought that the author wasn't romanticizing their abusive relationship since Dan was always expressing to the readers his suffering and humiliation regarding his situation. But in the Q&A, it is evident that the author doesn't see how drastic their relationship dynamic has escalated for the worst. Mingwa only describes Jaekyung as a 'toxic male lead' (which is a complete understatement), and has a complete positive perspective towards all the smut scenes she has written. But the terrifying part is that Mingwa will now attempt to redeem a character that is completely irredeemable in the first place *with the mindset that is shown in the Q&A.* I had high hopes for this comic, but this changes everything.
@lucannor6202 its weird how the authors writing became worst??? Like comparing bj alex to jinx and its like-- mf how did you downgrade this much writing wise-
i think the Q&A was really the big clarification for everyone. it proved that she intended for their relationship to be romantic when there is so much to work. and you saying that mingwa only talks about him as simply "toxic" proved more that she really doesn't have the same perspective as we do for this comic. also, you made good points and slayed!!!
@ggadams639 I mean, true but what I'm saying is that people like red flags, especially when they're very handsome to the point that they would not care if the person is a murderer XP
This analysis is EPIC. You really have called out the dangers of the pretty privilege, parasocial relationships and celebrity status/ public image; and how it means those with enough power/status can get away with crimes that regular people cannot. And your description of the 'ideal victim' hits hard. So many people are invalidated thanks to society's idea of what a victim is; most victims are complex and varied like Dan... really great analysis. Gotta admit although this mahwa is deeply flawed, Dan is way too relatable. I'm kinda speechless that this author accidentally made a pretty realistic sexual abuse experience in this story but sees it as a romance... thats wild Also your editing is really good!
This seems like the case of Killing Stalking in reverse. It was a psychological thriller/horror that was marketed as such but because it featured 2 guys in a relationship and was made during the rise of translated BL/yaoi manhwas of the late 2010s, 90% of readers wildly misinterpreted it as simply a “dark romance/bl” instead of the genuine horror story that it is. In this case, Jinx is marketed as a “rough” bl despite having rape and emotional, mental, physical and sexual abuse. The readers are still a part of the problem, but they’re actually just interpreting the story in the way that it’s supposed to be, which is the actual issue.
yea the author of jinx is absolutely convinced that her work is a romance if you see her authors notes. she thinks character redemption = abusive ml becoming a decent person. like no just no
@@curryfishheadenjoyer I'm just saying: No one will be mad if this was Hentai. UNFORTUNATELY, author thinks his stories' serious so it's to the bin with thee.
I’ve seen this story being mentioned in the danmei community on Reddit. Too many people in the bl space love to use the “stop pushing your western beliefs/ideals/views” argument, and to me that doesn’t make sense, nor does it mean it’s a good excuse for noncon stuff that happens, or anything else thats controversial.
Ah yes... consent... the western belief. I don't read danmei with non con either unless there's going to be a resolution on that like 2ha so guess I'm plagued with western belief
The worse part of it is that people from those Conservative countries absolutely have this mindset too. I'm from one. LGBTQA+ rights, disability rights or even child grooming are regarded as 'Western concept' that shouldn't exist within the country
It’s refreshing to see people agree, because I see that “argument” be used over and oVer again. It’s sickening and scary. Istg I wanna rant on Reddit but I can’t and won’t. It’s pointless.
another thing, the author had talked about how they wanted to write a redemption story but couldn’t they do it without the rape? i remember i commented saying “i fucking hate jaekhyun, im dropping this.” and someone replied “just wait, he will redeem himself soon.”does every redemption bl ever written NEED to have rape? like, she could have just easily made jaekhyun to be a spoiled egoistic brat with toxic masculinity that looked down on poor people and mistreated dan and then worked on from there. they could have just aimed to have a very good character development of jaekhyun without putting rape in it!!
Putting the manhwa aside, I hope people realize that having that type of mindset is incredibly harmful. Sexual assault has gotten so normalized in manhwas now that people think that RAPING someone is redeemable? Come off it.
@@chienj9223 for real. I really really love reading redemption stories but its always so difficult to find BL mangas that do a good job with this kind of genre. When i think of redemption, i think of a person with a shitty personality having a very good character development (like zuko from avatar). But for some reason authors like mingwa always think having a "shitty personality" means to be a r*pist. Thats a criminal. The only redeployment for that is jail for life or execution 😐
Follow up topic: Why is sexual assault predominant in all kinds of literature, what is the mindset behind it? What was the motivation in putting them on pieces of literature? Games with killing also romanticizes violence, but why are we not bothered with it, instead are desensitized?
What angers me the most is that toxic relationships and romanticisation of sexual abuse is so common among bl manhwas. Seriously, trying to find a bl that is 18+ and is not toxic is almost impossible. It just shows how the community is more into someone being hurt, seeing it as something “hot” rather than consensual relationship, as it’s “more interesting” or “more intense” and views a healthy relationship as boring (also the consent in toxic manhwas is pretty much taken as when one of them (usually bottom) agrees to having a sexual relationship and not before every time they do the deed. So when they do it and he says “no i don’t want to” the answer is “but you agreed to”)(hope you get my point). Jinx’s case is just BJ Alex 2.0 - it was also toxic to the extreme and took very little time to get characters to like each other again, so not only toxic but also super rushed. It could’ve been way better if the author actually showed that it took time and a lot of effort to build trust once again (a similar motive is in Banana Scandal season 2 and the author handles it really well as it’s years that pass before they get together and not like a month) Forgive me for this long yapp but it’s rare to see someone talk about bl’s toxicity so I’m glad you’ve made this video and just wanted to share qwq
REALLL! although I cannot be vocal enough because one of my dearest friend actually loves it but aside from her, I’m going to continue my absolute hatred with this Psychotic story 🤗🤗
REALLL! although I cannot be vocal enough because one of my dearest friends actually loves it but aside from her, I’m going to continue my absolute hatred with this Psychotic story 🤗🤗
This story literally sounds like the most insane thing on the planet. I do love the way you handled discussing it as well and it made for easy and smooth watching, genuinely appreciate this video as well as the video type fully and wholly♡
Yall should read ouroboros. It's a BL that treated rape as rape and the healing/downfall of the victim after that. It was that one manhwa that was just a rare occurrence of a BL author writing their characters as HUMAN whose actions have CONSEQUENCES and not dolls that are made only for the alarmingly large number of BL readers with the rape kink..
i think ouroboros actually portrays rape how it is, which is different than what jinx attempts to do. most of these stories (not only bls) that do not deal with rape the way it should be dealt with, are just using it as “plot device”, not actual awful things that happen to people. hidoku shinaide starts with rape but in no way it portrays how any of the characters felt in regards to that, it was showed as an “inconveniece” at most (that when happened with the 2 main characters, SA that happens with other characters are dealt with properly). Bls and other stories like ouroboros that actually portray them how they are have completely different intentions. one is meant to entertain and show how their relationship and themselves as characters changes (for the better)) and the other intends to portray “real” people in traumatic situations. It’s just different, even though they deal with similar experiences. both are bad but only one is realistic (and should be treated as such).
I HAVEN'T WATCHED THE VIDEO YET AND AS SOON AS I SAW THE THUMBNAIL I RAISED MY HANDS UP IN THE AIR IN EXCITEMENT. FINALLY,SOMEONE CALLS THIS OUTT.UGH I HATE THIS MANHWA ON SO MANY LEVELS
I’ve read lots of yaoi manga, and a concerning amount of them romanticise these abusive, coercive relationships, but Jinx? Jinx is the worst I’ve read. I’m reading it at this point purely to see how it ends, not because I enjoy any part of it. It’s not even trying to take an interesting perspective on it (I’d argue Killing Stalking was an interesting viewpoint in a Stockholm syndrome relationship), Jinx is just…scary.
@@LABYYY to me jinx has a lack of self awareness of what it is, whereas upon reading killing stalking it should be very clear to readers with any ounce of media literacy that killing stalking isn’t romantic (regardless of what it’s marketing says 💀)
you see but that’s the thing a lot of people who read jinx or defend it lack media literacy. they just brush it off as “it’s just fiction!!” and honestly it pisses me off to hear that same damn excuse every single time. come up with something new won’t ya? and the thing is unlike killing stalking. the story itself isn’t even aware that it’s bad, and justifies the toxic behavior that happens in the story. which is why a lot of viewers assume nothing is wrong with the story. since the story itself doesn’t even know what’s wrong with it
@@xodollyangelox literally because all I see as a response to someone dragging jinx is "it's just fiction" lmao like bro what? a story about aliens or some shit is "just fiction" meanwhile jinx is based on very REAL, very NON FICTIONAL situations which are disturbing and traumatizing like what in the world
@@try9749A better comeback would be if it's okay to normalize webtoons for pee-does because "It's just fiction!" Fiction or not, we don't know how literature like these can affect the minds of young people, especially those susceptible to manipulation because they lacked attention pr care at home.
How tf do some even enjoy reading literal rape? 😭 then call it romance just because the character "will eventually see that they can't live w/o their VICTIM then will eventually treat them better later on anyway." What I hate the most is when readers pull the "because they're complex and not everything is black and white" argument. Like, stop.
@@BlueCoolOlayou’re replying to a lot of comments in an attempt to convince yourself you’re not into literal r@pe, it is a mental illness and people like you who are into it genuinely need help, r@pe is not hot or enjoyable fictional or not it is a disgusting traumatic event that no individual should be forced to go through let alone enjoy seeing.
@OxiKoma It's really not. Its just a kink, as normal as liking feet, yeah a little more extreme but you don't have to shame someone just because you don't like it anymore and say all of us who like CNC are mentally ill. Like, yeah, its a dead dove not eat situation, but we are all free to enjoy it if we are able to understand that its clearly not real life.
I once read a sudden rape scene and the character was literally thinking "I don't want this. I don't want to be here" made me sick to my stomach I swear it messed me up for like 2 days
IM SO UNBELIEVABLY HAPPY SOMEONES SPEAKING UP ABOUT IT!!! my friend recommended me to read it and i was in pure disgust , and i havent seen anyone really take it as serious as it really is becuase it is , truly , disgusting.
The whole comic/manhwa is just disgusting. The fact BL readers excuse that kind of behavior (most of them being WOMEN) just because the male lead is hot..ew. straight up. Im glad you mentioned and made a whole commentary about this comic makes me glad some people are taking the comic seriously.
It's a fake senario, even if it's messed up and terrible, it can be a guilty pleasure for most, and the ones excusing their behaviors are delutional teens without parental supervision, and like to imagine to be in a fake senario with fake boys. Sure, I've also had my days when I was a teen, reading wattpad and all but grape is crazy
‼HEYYYY OK FIRST OF ALL‼
this is a final for one of my classes. if you're wondering why some of the sources i mention are oddly specific, academic sources and why this may be more targeted towards crime and media, now you know LMAO
‼UPDATE: got an A+‼
nonetheless, i really hope you enjoyed this. i worked super long and hard on this and I’m so happy with how it turned out! my first actual video essay aaahhh!!!
anyways, thank you annnddd enjoy!!!!
edit: I didn’t mention in the video but omg the argument of “if you don’t like it, drop it” doesn’t always work cause jinx is insanely popular within BL. I CAN’T ESCAPE THE MANHWA EVEN IF I WANTED TO LMAO. but I get why people bring that up.
ANOTHER edit: ok by the time i made this change, it's like two months after this uploaded, whoops, but i wanted to let you all know i edited out where i mention a certain site for where i got public comments regarding jinx cause some people messaged me to complain about that ok thank, remember to eat well
Wild topic but go off sis💀
@@LABYYY only 7 minutes in but honestly love this video so far, very different from “no one screws my mom but me” but still good 😭
@@LABYYY I did the same for one of my classes! They asked me to wrote an essay on something and I chose why I absolutely hated this ship.
@@jordan82514 when you're a uni student no topic is too wild don't worry LMAO
It's really good for the first one, thank you for the hard work!❤ waiting for more videos 😊
I hate it when the victim depicted as enjoying the act.The body has physical reactions that are not always controllable. Someone can tickle you and you can hate it but still laugh.
this.
@@jennnieewiwi Exactly. It's horrible how ingrained the victim blaming is towards victims, when the male predators are at fault in that scenario.
I tend to laugh or at least smile when people around me are, even if I myself hate the situation and want to get out. People think I'm happy and having a good time when they are, just because of how my face reacts to seeing other people laugh.
This is a W analogy. Screenshotted and saved.
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@@missstranger7697 Regardless of gender, predators deserve condemnation.
Some predators will hide behind gender identity as a shield. Totally not referring to Kris Tyson.
Bro. The cover art quite literally has one character tearing up whilst the other character looms over them with a sinister grin. HOW ELSE DO YOU EXPECT ME TO TAKE THAT????!?
The cover art made me think it was a horror or psychological thriller...
@@brianawong312 THAT IS WHAT IM SAYING BRO😨
DUDE I JUST MENTIONED THAT!!!
@@brianawong312like KS. But nope
🤷🏾♀️ depends I'm intrigued by this only cause I've never heard of it but if it's rapey then ew wtf
It’s really dangerous that lots of people don’t see the problem
I genuinely can't stand how people don't see it because for a lot of them (especially Americans), the reason why is because this is a same sex relationship. It has been normalized in many places to fetishize same sex relationships, so with people who do that, they see no problem because they see it as hot.
Its simple, its because 'its hot' or its not abuse cause theyre both men. its terrifying that people are being desensitized to abuse like this :/
"Male lead is hot and that's why he can do anything without facing any consequences" and I really hate this pretty privilege
Real , like people be romanticised so much and everyone hates you if you hate the ml that I started to think I was the issue 😕
idk about others but i like Jinx because i read noncon as a coping mechanism
I remember I hated Jinx a lot, and my friend's response was always "Oh, it's a thing that the creator does, he'll turn good eventually" SO??? HE'S STILL ABUSIVE 😭
"Turn good" bro if someone killed your parents would you just let it slide because they went through a character arc after abusing you for months on end? NO!
hope its a ex friend now 😬 the trope of "but they got redeemed!!" is so disgusting, they act that since the character becomes good then every disgusting crime they did is now negated
@@rosa97509 I still talk to them sometimes, but not too frequently
@@StoryBird2 real
So many ppl use this excuse 🤕
Jinx'd is the tip of the iceberg. Yaoi as a genre had a massive rape problem.
*Porn
fr and they justify it with a "redemption arc" and its just a "toxic relationship" 😭😭all these need a psychological tag. its also quite telling how its always the "bottom" is getting assaulted and how many manhwas portray them as feminine dudes
@@illy2na
Except many of the illustrators & authors out right romanticize the problematic elements in their stories, for example take Killing Stalking, the author has stated it’s a psychological horror and that the characters (Sangwoo & Yoonbum) shouldn’t be shipped because it’s psychological horror and their entire relationship is problematic, yet she made chapters like the ‘Christmas special’ in KS which is solely just fan service for those who DO ship them, romanticize & sexualize their relationship and view it as a BL.
My main point is many authors of this kind of content are a huge factor on why things like this are sexualized & romanticized in their own stories.
As an actual writer, illustrator, translator & psychological horror fan myself who’s also a gay guy this issue is still pretty prevalent in the BL genre and it’s issues are mainly caused by the creators
Had?
@@Iwastheonewhostoleurbannock We also have to consider that a great part of those BLs are published through Lezhin, which you need to submit your work to get a license to publish it, and publishing companies may require certain chapters to be made in a certain way to retain and attract more readers. And, before anyone suggests it, I am not defending the author of Killing Stalking, I am just presenting a possibility and inviting people to not villainize someone right away.
it seems so absurd how pretty privilege has warped around the morality, leaving it distorted all bcs someone's attractive. if jaekyung was an ugly bastard then he would've been hated on by their readers.
Mizuki spotted
Is it better than killing stalking ( or in this context worse )
@@Nailpol I’d argue killing stalking is better because at the very least the author had no intentions to let the two male leads be together. Like it is very clear that the story is from Yoombum’s perspective so it’s the reason why Sangwoo’s actions are perceived as what the are. That and KS was never meant to be a BL in the first place. Mingwa on the other hand is just ignorant.
@@Nailpol but killing stalking is not a romance tho most people know that and treat it like the psychological thriller that it is... there's only SOME weirdos who genuinely ship the main characters of killing stalking but in this case the writer is trying to romanticise the relationship as well as the readers 🤮🤮
@@baakojernigan7095 I looked into it and it does look kinda shitty
This shit would be psychological horror if jaekyung was ugly💀
True
Yeah lol
He already is
Fr
@@yogurtshake3 Thank you
as a queer man who is a SA survivor, I would like to say, Thank you so much for this video, it kinda comforts me in a way. So again, thank you
Heyy man I hope you're doing better now. I can't even begin to fathom your pain but I just want to say that you've done great so far! You've come a long way. Good job hanging in there!
Thank you for sharing love! Hope you're doing better.
I hope you are okay , also it is so brave for you to tell this , humans can be disgusting
@mochiidollie9153 I hope you're doing well btw :) sending love 🙏
I’m so sorry… I hope you’re healing well and are ok!!
THANK YOU! Jinx also doesn’t just have sexual violence but Jaekyung is straight up abusive when he’s not trying to assault Kim Dan.
This comic reminds me of that creepy furry webtoon. The creator pretty much glorified the toxic relationship between a student and a teacher. I dropped the comic on chapter 3 because shit was utterly disgusting. The teacher clearly SA and groomed his student and the creators and some fans tried to defend his actions even to the point of silencing anyone who dared to criticize their comic. (Also love the Hanako pfp)
@@guccibracelet7253 I first heard about the comic from a youtuber covering this. If i remember its called The Fate! on webtoon. What i also find weird about it is that the co creator was in a abusive relationship and made that webtoon with her friend as a way to vent by romanticizing grooming and SA. Normally survivors of traumatic experience would bring up their experience as a way to let people know and educate others but she just took a 180 and made comic about a predator and made the main character 18 in a high school setting just to justify the fact that both characters are adults...
@@guccibracelet7253 the fate ? Yeah I remember that comic , what makes that comic even worse is that the relationship is based on the creator’s friends trauma of an abusive relationship , not only the comic is bad but she as a friend is horrible
I read the manga out of curiosity after seeing a lot of people complain about it, Joo throws things at Dan (the victim) and berates him constantly, I don’t know how anyone thinks they should end up together
@@guccibracelet7253i remember seeing that and I was like “wtf is this Shi?? A teacher?. AND A STUDENT WTH-“ I went into it to investigate a bit more and I was disgusted 😭 stopped after like chapter 1 or 2
This should be labeled as psychological horror, I was genuinely tweaking as Dan's situation got worse it's actually insane
Why do you keep reading it?
@@bistander Maybe they realized that the r***st is the love intrest too late
Same
me with dark fall and passion
@@bistander Because it is so bad and I want Dan to take revenge or something.
Also, one of the things that a lot of animators/manhwa artists do to make you not see a character as a SA victim is depicting them as these blushy, open mouthed, shiny eyed characters during the sex scenes - the features become hentai-ish. This to show the character as someone who is shy, coy, but liking what is happening.
The same thing happens on Berserk, during the scene where Casca is raped, she is depicted with a pleasured expression on her face (and later on turns catatonic from the trauma). It's terrible, because although bodily reactions are not controllable, a rape victim isn't happy or feeling good to be there. And doing this makes people not see them as the victims they are, but as someone "in denial".
I was thinking to make this exact point as I was scrolling the comments - it's the artistic portrayal of it all that REALLY rubs me the wrong way; like why are you trying to make it look like he's enjoying this??? Now of course art is subjective, but I think we can all agree that in no way is Dan in an ideal or even remotely pleasant position, and the fact that artists like Mingwa don't truly understand that is kinda scary. My concern is what do they think about real SA/r*pe victims...
Yeah he was in pain the whole time
Well, now I know not to watch Berserk
To be fair, when it comes to Berserk, even if Cascas SA was depicted in questionable way, we are still shown severe and devastating consequences of SA.
Guts carried out this trauma into adulthood, and the same trauma made it hard for him to make any type of physical contact.
Casca was litteraly bleeding in the scene, and her mind was litteraly shut down and rebooted to that of an infant. It was also shown that Casca in her state of broken mind started men. I think no one in story itself tries to argue that Casca enjoyed it.
For real. As a victim myself one of the hardest parts is that the body reacts even if you absolutely don't want to. To twist that and portray that as some kind of secret enjoyment for the victim is just sickening to me
People who say “it’s just fiction” don’t understand. It’s not the depiction of sxual violence that’s the problem; it’s the fetishization/romanticization of it.
And why is that a problem?
@@Hoodjoshi666The fact that you’re too slow to understand why it’s an issue is concerning. Fetishising and romanticising crimes PROMOTE said crimes and make certain people view them in a positive light. If certain people view them in a positive light “I want that! I want to do that! It’s not so bad! It looks sexy!” It will make more people willing to do the crime or put themselves in danger. It’s also incredibly disrespectful towards real life victims and makes it harder for them to get justice. Truly gross that you don’t grasp that. Get help.
Hit the nail on the head with this
@@ghoultooth PREACH. I've been saying this for so long and assholes love to say "it's just fiction!" "it's just fantasy!". Pisses me off
@@ghoultoothYes and video games cause violence too right!!!! I’m sorry but this is absurd. If you’re a grown adult and you’re reading adult books as if they’re morality pamphlets then you should be court ordered to touch grass.
What pisses me off about the Jinx fandom is that if Dan's first boss that tried to assault him was handsome, I know full well they would bend over backwards trying to defend him too. It's so goddamn gross how they keep denying literal r*pe just cuz Dan is "getting paid" news flash that's NOT how consent works
News flash flash: that's what Dan's job is,
Jaekyung's conditions were; wherever he wanted when he wanted it's not about Dan at all. It doesn't matter if Dan enjoys it, it's gonna happen whether Dan feels like it or not, which is what he agreed to get paid.
I also want to add that this manhwa qualifies as a non-con, so the consept of "consent" is not mistaken, or done poorly it wasn't intended to be there in the first place.
I'm not saying it's right, I'm just saying, it's their agreement and that's the point of "plot".
@@breakfasttequilanot you being a rape apologist. Was it also part of the plot or arrangement to throw things at him? That's straight sexual violence that not even consensual sex covers. Even in the frame of the agreement, the red flag just had to make things unbelievably more uncomfortable because of the contracts. And like the video discusses, that's violating the contract that's violating human decency that's violence on top of non consensual sex which is called rape.
@@mfunikakayadeborah2732 Rape apologist towards a literal drawing?? Hilarious.
And congratulations🎉 on figuring out that non-con means rape! Because that is indeed STILL the category of this manhwa (which I didn't even create btw)
I'm just saying that everything happening is fully intentional and not at all a misconception of a healthy relationship like some people like to think. From rape, to the violence and jjk being an asshole overall (it's all INTENTIONAL) so to answer your question; yes it is all still the plot, that the author wrote, re-read, drew and re-read once more then published it.
And it should not be surprising when it receives its target audience who happen to enjoy pretty-privilege-abuser-plots.
@@breakfasttequila if a dog is pushed into a corner, it cannot escape a collar no matter how much it struggles. dan was forced into complying with the terms of the "contract". he was coerced, and what comes with coercion is unwillingness. "it's a drawing" is an excuse. it doesn't matter if it's fiction, if it's a drawing; it is based on very REAL, very NON FICTIONAL human situations. if someone supports art depicting rape, it's quite rational to assume that they support rape in general. I understand that "Jinx" was labelled as non-con, but why on earth would somebody willingly subject themselves to a story involving rape? odd
@@breakfasttequila Spoiler alert, just because it's a drawing doesn't mean it's NOT wrong for it to romanticise R*PE and NON-CON and S*XUAL VIOLENCE.
Just like there's drawings of ppl being m*lested, it simply doesn't stop being wrong just because it's a drawing. The author was trying to depict this toxic relationship as normal and ppl beleived it because a character was hot.
It reflects on us as a society, it not only happens in fiction but in real life too. It's a real issue that's being normalised in romantic fiction.
I cried while reading this because the main character really doesn’t get a break. His life just keeps getting worse and worse and worse and by the end I found i had cried during EVERY SINGLE CHAPTER. It felt like someone was getting off by writing these moments of pure suffering and grief.
Because they are. Fetish non-con and whump stories like these are written because the author and the audience get off on the suffering of the cute main character. It’s got a whole trope name and everything: Break the Cutie.
I also cried in several chapters!! To be honest, I kept reading it but only because I wanted to see this poor man finally catch a break 😭 I feel so bad for him and he's not even real
I didn't read it because I didn't want to associate with this kind of story but after waatching this video I feel literally so bad for the mc I could cry aswell and the fact that people actually enjoy this story is INSANE to me
@@StormscapeX yeag i fekt si bad for a grown man
@@jiderdanso2727 what does him being an adult have to do with anything
this manhwa is so shitty that someone on wattpad ended up rewriting the entire thing, just without the sa. and people loved it 💀 a teenager made a better story than the original creator-
Wait really? whats the title😭
@@AnonymousI_Guess "jinx ~ rewritten" it's weirdly popular lol
Jinx without Jae's weird talent would just be " hey so I'm gay and I box and I also have toxic masculinity" So it would be be jae just trying to figure how how he's gonna tell dan he wants to hook up 0-0
Definitely gonna try reading that one cuz I'm actually interested in the plot but I'm put off by the SA
@@aldey8906 It's like jinx if dan didn't like him one bit and jaekyung had to chase him. there's rivals to lovers vibes, pretty consensual
AND THE FACT THAT MOST READERS ARE UNDERAGED AND EVEN WANTS TO CHANGE POSITION WITH DAN😭😭😭💀
Its always the manwha artist with GOOD ASS ART STYLE...
@@SaveSodaFR LIKE GIVE ME THOSE ART SKILLS AND ILL DO SOME GOOD IN THE WORLD FOR YOU
@@SaveSodaWtf! I'm underage too and I wanna throw up from hearing these stories!! Why the hell would anyone want to be in that position!? No thanks, I'm suicidal enough..
@@starcrumblezyeah, same.. Society is doomed, in my opinion....
@@SaveSoda Rangrarii has entered the chat
But fr tho, her art style is so good but the stories bruh😭😭
This is crazy when she said “Cameron heron was sentenced for 24 years but the people on Tik tok thinks he should not get arrested for being “too cute” that part was crazy. It also reminded me of Ted Bundy
Reminds me of those women and gay men obsessed with Jeffery Dahmer because of the Netflix show and got tattoos of him which was very insensitive for a couple of reasons one major one being not having consent from the victims families to create the show so even more disregard for people and disrespecting not only the families of the victims but the victims themselves by saying "but he was hot though" that's not even getting to people saying hating Jeffery Dahmer is homophobic because he raped and coerced young boys and killed them which is wild as all hell.
@@magicalpopfish9570 You're definitely right, and Jeffrey specifically targeted gay men/boys (specifically ones of color) because he knew that no one would believe or listen to them. It's haunting to think about how much shit someone can get away with cause they considered "hot".
@@FluiidGliitchAnd the fact they made the series without even consulting the families of the victims… just… ew.
Especially when you had people on TikTok and Twitter bragging about how they thought it should’ve been gorier.
I'm sorry....people on TT thought that the series should have been GORIER?? My...we really are in dark times 😱
@@FluiidGliitch Yep.
I’d say they’re a true crime ghoul but most true crime fans stick to documentaries.
This was really more for people who find Evan Peters hot and folks who think that consuming this kind of media is a take that to the “normies and Karen’s”.
The fact there's many stories (comics, mangas, manhwas, etc) that are like Jinx actually terrify me
And people are eating it up. Not healthy and very scary.
Nah fr, and people think it's attractive too 😭😭😭 aksskjdhj
For realllll
like pearl boy
@@mixchiomi558 NAH RIGHT? 'Cause the moment someone goes through shit like this irl they wanna turn and say the mf should be locked up.
NO CUS IM GLAD YOU BROUGHT THIS UP because the first time they yk that shit was 100% non consensual and the way most people let it slide just shocked me💀
Haven’t even read it yet luckily and haven’t finished the video and I agree with you
I remember getting ads for jinx and thought it was gonna be a good read, I dropped it immediately. Ppl letting this slide is crazy to me
@@highsourjamapple9141 i’m pretty sure I got ads for it too I’m just really glad I didn’t try to read it.
This webtoon disgust me to my core and I hope Jaekyung lose in every match until he gone broke
I read the first two chapters and I left it. I don't want to know anything about the comic. It's utter rubbish
There’s a really infamous Twitter thread I saw where several fujoshis admitted they have an easier time reading stories about men being SA’d than women because it’s harder to see men as victims… and it was framed as this super progressive and feminist standpoint.
Genuinely disgusts me how people think downplaying male sexual assault is feminist (especially ironic from people who refuse to read GL)
Excuse me…😨😨😨
WHAT PEOPLE ACTUALLY SAY THIS 😵
This deserves more likes!
Do you still have the source to the thread?
Disguising homophobia as being a feminist.... setting us all back 50 years goddamn.
the funniest most saddest part is the fact that Dan left not cuz he was sick of the treatment he recieved but because he felt responsible as his physical therapist and felt like he had to resign💀🙏
The only sane character in jinx is that red flag’s ex , idk if you remember him but basically Dan started delivering pizza to buy jak a gift for birthday and he met the ex , the ex basically went full on saying Dan is a fool for expecting him to change and that jak loves only himself, and people of course hated him for saying the truth to Dan
I don’t understand the author’s problem, like at least in her past work bj Alex , the bottom realized his worth and was like I can’t be with someone who doesn’t feel the same. He still forgave very fast but at least he had a bit of backbone and hell even the ml was still a bit better jak and I can kinda see why he was being a prick since the bottom can easily ruin his life and reputation with his secret
@@lumityviktuuristanartist4100I mean let’s be honest jinx and bj Alex are two very different shoes! Alex was an ahole but he knew the conditions and still wanted to have a physical relationship with him ( apart from the toy scene -.-, that was just so bad) this was okay as long as like you said we got to see him stand up for himself and Alex changing. But jinx?! That is straight up abuse from day 1 and ppl still continue reading where I’m like? What could possibly happen dear readers that you think this bro could be redeemed. What bs backstory could the author drop for you to act as if all is forgiven and forgotten, as if we can’t figure out ourselves that someone like the boxer probably was abused as a child too.
@@cinnamonroll96 i still keep reading jinx just to see jak being tortured but I will skip the ending because Dan doesn’t deserve it
@@lumityviktuuristanartist4100 i read jinx just because i can curse jaekyung every week
He also left because his grandma probably passed away.
Jinx fans also are a nightmare. I saw someone saying they genuinely want that type of relationship. like no, honey, you don’t.
I can understand that sentiment of yours
They are just being horny
might be a guess but my best guess is they are hypersexual and actually lust after smt like that..🏌🏽♂️🏌🏽♂️
Wait- for real?! I'm not gonna ask what their past was like, because I don't wanna know.... and that's all I need to know..
They're like those people who want a Harley and Joker relationship
I've written a paper on this topic for my psychological literature class. It's surprising how heteronormativity and misogyny are prevalent even in spaces meant for MLM (men loving men). BL (Boys' Love) media, in particular, often normalizes rape, sexual assault, toxic relationships, and other forms of suffering for the bottom character. The uke (bottom) is portrayed as more feminine, which allows the predominantly female readership to sympathize with him. Meanwhile, the seme (top) is depicted as an excessively masculine manly man. This dynamic demonstrates how queer media is co-opted by heteronormative norms, imposing traditional gender roles on two men. The only logical explanation for why authors frequently make the uke miserable is the application of heteronormativity to queer media. BL is more popular among straight teenage girls than it is among actual gay men like myself. It's quite clear to distinguish between BL content created by and for gay men and that which is produced by and for straight teenage girls.
this is why I quit bl it never dawned on me just how twisted these character's arcs are putting them through. I've personally never read Jinx but had accidentally started manhwas similar to this before and felt absolutely appalled when the top was forcing the bottom, I completely agree with the fact that its just the female-male stereotype relationship but just slapped onto this "Gay" facade (sorry if it came off as offensive). I think if I were to look at it from a teenage girl's mindset, theyre just indulging in pleasure actions without worrying bout birth control! Until you bring in the digusting things the top does and it started to change my view on how most BLs are written these days. This whole "BL" fandom yes including weirder stuff like the ABO world settings etc is just...I dont even wanna describe it, its just putrid and makes me sick to the stomach that I've ever read any and thought that was fine.
I think people forget the history of bl and yaoi. None of those have ever been made by gay men, it was originally made (and it still is) by straight women. The reason why it’s a gay couple instead of a straight one was to exempt the women writing and reading of feeling dirty when expressing their sexuality. The bottom was created to be an avatar of the feminine, in an universe where his feminine beauty was seen as something to envy and be in awe of instead of being ridiculed as a lesser man, while the top was the avatar of the masculine, which represents the men these women get into relationships with or fantasize about. This is why bl and yaoi is so heteronormative and why so many of them depict toxic relationships, it’s a way of coping FOR WOMEN. There are definitely similar forms of media that are catered towards queer people, but bl and yaoi are not it and, in my opinion, shouldn’t be considered queer media, since it isn’t made by queer people, doesn’t cater to queer people and it’s a bad representation of gay men. But of course, consuming these types of dark romances, especially from a young age, without any type of critical thinking about the material or guidance will end up, in the long run, influencing the reader to normalize abuse and toxic relationships. Just, please, don’t call something like bl and yaoi queer media again.
it happens in fanfictions as well. Healthy loves stories are hard to find.
There are some bl which are not romantic but psychological. so its easier to digest. Though, comics like Jinx and 'cry or better yet beg' are kinda unreadable with the way they portray things. There are plenty of wholesome bl also, though they are usually labelled under shounen ai.
there’s a lot of BLs that are actually healthy, though. And also ones that don’t have the “big buff masculine seme x small feminine uke” dynamic. My favs are Our Sunny Days, The Pizza Delivery Man and the Gold Palace, Pink Heart Jam, My Guildmate Next Door, Define The Relationship, Cherry Magic, Dokyuusei/Sotsugyousei, After We Gazed At The Starry Sky, Given, Here U Are, etc these are just the ones I can name off the top of my head. My point is that stereotyping the BL genre into the “toxic masculinity masc top x fem bottom” dismisses some amazing stories that deserve love and recognition without the stigma behind the BL genre.
As someone who got assaulted by both men and women throughout my life time, I related a lot to Don and the very visible effects of sexual assault, the feeling of helplessness, not having anyone to tell, and over all just not enjoying sex or even wanting it anymore.
This webtoon would be good if it was to bring light to abusive homosexual relationships because it's portrayed amazingly but instead... just like many others... it's romanticized. I don't understand how people can read this and think "hm, wow, so romantic, i'm rooting for them...." Don is being abused over and over... and over.
And the fact that jaekyung remains abusive would've been used as a statement because 90% of the time, people like that don't change and even though they are sent to jail or even publicly called out for it, there's a small chance they'll change. I wish in season 2, the author actually gets sense and puts jaekyung behind bars and Don in therapy and a better living state, because no way in fuck is any other alternative story ending more suitable.
this is the kind of broad fandom that also read a story literally called killing/stalking (featuring a serial killer and his stalker) and managed to think "serial killer kidnapping and enslaving his stalker" was hot hot romance... when it originally was meant to be super messed up and two different kinds of dangerously unstable ending up in the most abusive relationship on both sides simultaneously. (author decided to give up and milk the fans for the money and get the bag by catering to the fanservice.)
The most I've seen are people saying something about a redemption arc or him having a sad backstory. The fact that most of them don't realize that having sad lives doesn't excuse anyone for being a crappy person. It's even shown in the manhwa itself. Dan has had such a horrible life and yet still remains kind despite it all. Honestly, the only ideal (and unrealistic in terms of Jinx) ending would be that Dan finally gets his life together and leaves.
Ppl are js gonna defend this horse jaekgyung saying he had a hard life when we was younger or smth still doesn’t excuse for his disgusting behaviour and actions this manhwa and it’s fans are vile😐😐
People are probably saying that because of another manhwa made by the same author had a bad ml and then mc leaves ml and ml regrets it also had a bad past which is why he acted the way he did
@@NovdoriI’ve read the one you mentioned (BJ Alex right?) and I don’t think that kind of redemption is even possible in Jinx. The ml from that story started out really shitty, yes, but he never got past the point of no return like the one from Jinx. Right from the start BJ Alex’ relationship with the mc was consensual. It was in fact the mc who initiated it quite enthusiastically (honestly at times I cringe a little at the way mc inserted himself into ml’s life despite them not having any from of relationship prior and behaves so pushy and clingy just because he was the fan of ml’s broadcasts, but that’s beside the point). And the ml never abused him, it’s more like being extra shitty because he’s annoyed by mc and wanted him gone, and mc could have left him anytime he wanted. And he did too, hence the whole redemption arc of ml winning mc back. With Jinx, it’s straight up r*pe right from the start, the mc is coerced and threatened into not leaving, silenced by ml having so much more power, influence and money than him, the ml abuses him physically and verbally, and even when mc was starting to show some feelings towards ml (probably Stockholm’s Syndrome honestly), he got physically and verbally humiliated for it. No amount of tragic backstory could ever make the ml earn a redemption arc. It’s bad enough that the story is presented and advertised as a “rough” romantic BL instead of a psychological horror that it is, if the story decided to give them a “happy ending” and brought them together at the end, my opinion of the author really will be down the drain forever.
@@namelessbard2124 the author went down the drain as soon as she made jinx.
Oh girl, most bl fans justify violent, sexual assaulter tops by bringing up how the top had an awful upbringing and adding “but see how he tried to change 🥺”.
bi woman here. i dated another bi woman for a while. she sexualized mlm relationships, was a big fan of this series for obvious reasons, and i heard her say multiple times that she wished we were both men... thank god she cheated on me because this relationship was already fucked😬
That is genuinely so gross wtf
now thats crazy for her to say...
Okay..but you cheating is kinda shitty too… 😕
@@KatzeBabes i got cheated on *by* her. i didn't cheat on her
@@mywwo oh sorry I didn’t read it properly 💀
Ugh thank you for speaking up. As a gay man who really likes consuming BL stuff, it's heartbreaking to see my sexuality constantly used in rape fetish comics. I rarely read a BL manhwa without some form of rape in it, I can't escape it. I just want a cute love story like all the straight ones :(
I have no idea if this would be your thing but have you ever watched the Untamed or Word of Honor? They’re Chinese fantasy BL shows disguised as bromance on Netflix, and the two male leads have very, very well-written dynamics. The plots are a bit confusing, but the acting (in the Untamed especially) is very good and they’re both worth watching if you want something completely free of SA fetishization
@@nhyalg4076 You're so real for this, I personally watched TGCF and loved it, and I've seen a bit of MDZS as well. I guess what I like most about them is how the plot develops on its own without the romance controlling everything, and that leads to well-written, interesting characters in their own right. It also allows for the story itself to be darker at times, but the romances are still very sweet and, well, romantic. You know that the couples actually love each other and care about each other deeply.
@@elainez Yes! MDZS gets me in the feels every time. I cry like a baby at the climax 😂 There’s just such emotion in both stories, it’s so powerful. Completely forgot about TGCF/Heaven’s Official Blessing but I do enjoy that one as well and have been meaning to watch S2 🤔
@@nhyalg4076 Yeah, powerful was the word I was looking for. Every time I remember that Hua Cheng waited 800 years for Xie Lian I cry a little inside 😭
@@elainez It’s such a long time 💀🥲. I do have to say though I do love the existential pain created with very long-lived characters.
What's worse is that some 7th graders in my school talks about it.
You know it’s not Mingwa’s fault if these kids’ parents are so irresponsible to give them unlimited and unsupervised access to internet.
Hell, you shouldn’t even be here either if you’re a 7th grader just like them 💀
@@Hoshi-i8z I'll defend parents a little bit on this one. It's so normal to give kids phones these days but parental controls on these devices can be circumvented. If a parent is regularly checking in on all the messages, conversations, group chats and websites, they will be judged as too controlling to these early teenagers or helicopters parents or not giving the kids privacy, not respecting boundaries. Heck, kids handle technology better than adults, so if they want to hide, they will hide. There was a case of kids using a bible app to share porn & sext with strangers.
Parents can only hope the good morals in their homes will help the kids discern what is toxic & what isn't.
@@rhuonaChanel THIS I've been on tt since i was 8 in 2016 since the second quarantine the app has changed so much it's not a safe space for anyone anymore
People at that age don't have fully developed brains, so they're immature and wouldnt know that what they're reading is wrong. I'm not justifying it but they will move on one day and become more matured hopefully. Its normal, I've been there before. Having this phase at a young age will not really affect their way of thinking, they'll grow out of it
@@youdonthavetoknowmyname8263 please don't prejudice every kid. A few kids are a lot more mature for their age. I mean, I hated this shit even when I was in before my teens, and I was maybe a bit too careful..
Jaekyung doesn't even have a real personality. Let's start at that.
His range of emotions are rage, rage, rage and I don't think I've mentioned this one before, RAGE.
EXACTLY! he was never shown as sad, or happy, or even slightly less angry. he was jealous in like one scene but that goes hand in hand with rage.
@@chronosaurus547 I think he's actually and deeply insecure behind his rage and tough exterior, considering the fact that he acts all agitated, and destroys everything whenever something doesn't go his way.
I don't know why I started laughing when I read this...😂🤣
Hey, you forgot:
Rage
Rage
Rage
Forgetful😢
Even Jiwon from BJ Alex had some kind of personality 😭
This video reminds me of how killing stalking became a famous dark romance in the bl community even beind actually an effed psychological horror story with heavy stuff that nobody would love to romantisize if the main psychotic character wouldn't handsome asf
and the author was making it so clear it was a psychlogical manhwa 😢
Please I have trauma from reading that during lockdown😭😭😭😭
So true I've seen so many people saying that it was a romance and whatever but I think of it as a dark horror and that's why I liked it I didn't like it because it was a BL because it's definitely not a Bl to me I enjoyed it because it was horror and I love horror fiction this is not a BL at all and people need to stop romanticizing because there's no romance at all nothing romantic happened
the author had to clarify that it wasn't a romance AT ALL and people still think that it was an ideal relationship
Who romantisize it? I'm a Killing Stalking fan but I don't romantisize them lol, those ppl that ships them are weird..
As someone who experienced SA thank you for speaking about this, it's really awful when people are romanticizing abuse
I am with u too :) SA is never meant to be found in a relationship.
I'm so sorry that happend to you, I hope you're doing better now🫂
I'm so sorry, Get better 🫂
I’m so sorry, i hope your doing better now love 💕
I hate it when an author uses physical pleasure as evidence that the main character has feelings for ML or that they enjoy forced act. And then an author turn it into love. It's not only a problem with BL manhwas, but also with straight ones.
Same here.. Can't they just make a cute love story which starts to build on the emotional part and not of the physical part of a relationship!?
TBH Jinx and the fact that Korea doesn’t have these laws just make me sick to my stomach. Because this happens so much in fiction and in real life and it seems like it won’t go away soon. As a male, this is horrifying that I could be a victim (and was) and not be supported by laws. I have been a victim of being SA’d before, and it was only put into files for being hit by my father, who hit me after I reported the police about what my step mother did. I’m glad people are talking about this, but I already experienced how unfair laws are and it’s devastating.
I’m so sorry :( and yes, it’s absolutely terrifying. it’s not even just for homosexuals, but for men in general that are unable to be protected by domestic laws. I really hope it changes soon.
I feel sorry for you.
Sad that some male victims don't get taken seriously enough.
Hope your doing well.
Hope you're doing well !! This world is so Fuck up...
Oh I'm sorry that happened to you, that's literally insane and awful AF.
Oh I hope u feel better. Its crazy how insanely shitty some people are.
God I hate this dominating aggressive top & submissive vulnerable bottom dynamic SO MUCH, especially when it just becomes fetishized sexual abuse
Then don’t read it
fr bro and the fact its often overused in manhwa/manga is just... ☹
@@ilikepointlessinternetargumentI'm sure they don't, you don't have to consume something that's very obviously weird to speak out against it.
@@TalkaWalka-yu8go it’s just a comic, why would a person care so much? Because it’s *about* something bad?
@@ilikepointlessinternetargument Obviously? Idk what you're trying to get here...
Forever a jinx hater
SO TRUUUUEEE
Me and you both
REAL
twin!
Absolutely.
I honestly think the whole reason it’s not taken seriously is because it’s a man, it’s between the same gender
The public doesn’t care much if sa happens to a man, nor if it’s women on women or man on man because it’s not what their “ideal” victim is, a small and fragile woman that “needs to be protected!”
omg i agree
You are right.
What’s even worse is that most of its readers are underaged, and they’d go out of their way just to defend this behavior with the lamest excuses you could ever think of. I once stated my opinion on this and then a bunch of them started spamming me wtf 💀
Yeah, my cousin who is 14 reads this and I had a good chat with her and explained why this was wrong. Recommend her some better BLs that weren't toxic but yeah. These fujoshi girls are still growing a frontal lobe and probably don't fully understand what's actually going on
@cerdoscalvos4838 more than that, they're just riding the high of the thrills of cruelty/shock.
@@cerdoscalvos4838 did you recommend her LITC? It’s the best one i’ve read so far and there aren’t any nsfw scenes, i highly recommend it!
Some 7th graders in my school are even reading it💀
Plss girls in my class actually love this! Hearing them describe it,I thought I could give it a try. I'm glad I didn't
I swear Jinx is just a comic version Fifty Shades of Gay 😭
LITERALLY
Except the MC for Fifty Shades turns into a huge b***h, and the MC of JINX is a genuinely nice humble guy.
@@vazanere shes still a victim though
So true 😭😭😭😭
@@vazanere She doesn't have a single brain cell in her head. MC here is smart and talented, just a bit hapless (and depicted as both very weak and very strong - he must be strong to do the kind of sports physico depicted)
it’s always “if you don’t like it, just don’t read it” what makes you think i’m still reading it?? i read enough, then decided to drop it. now i can give my opinion on why i dropped it and how it’s actual dogshit garbage that romanticizes SA. if people don’t like something, they typically express WHY.
edit: people don’t hate things for no reason. that’s why opinions exist. that’s why completely valid criticism exists.
THIS👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿
Been trying to find the right words to say this & you summed it up perfectly 🔥
i didnt even NEED to read it, i saw the ads and i was like "huh??", read the reviews about who crazy it was and forever started bashing anyone who even TRIED to defend it or was reading it.
man i dont even know how most of the tops that are popular in the bl genre are technically rapists with how noncon it all starts like, come on, even roses and champagne is popular and it baffles me that its up there every time
Imagine if Dan was a female and ended up getting pregnant because of that guy Jaekyung.💀
The line "if you don't like it, just don't read it" is just their excuse to escape further argument. They won't listen to yall's opinions cause they are so blinded by Jaekyung. Total turn off to them.
Thank you. This is what needed to be said.
The amount of people I’ve heard saying that Jinx is “okay”, made my blood boil. I know people who went through this; and I’m one of them. It’s not fun. Jinx and YBC; are the same in a sense, by their topics and people still try to say “it’s okay”, and “oh, it’s harming no one”. When it’s lying, it harms people, who like myself, have experienced and lived through that. Some clothing they liked in the past gets ruined by them scars and it’s not fun.
Ok but even if he made the decision willingly, like no dying grandma, no debts, he just thought it might be a good idea or thought he might enjoy it but then ended up being mistreated, that still makes him a victim. Just cuz we decide to do something, doesn't always erase victim status when things go bad.
That’s true
Thank you for saying this 😭 🙏
Just popping in to agree before I’ve remotely finished the vid.
That’s like saying “oh because you hung out with someone in your apartment and then got attacked that because you let this person you knew kinda well from DnD over and what are you, stupid?” (I know this is basically a way more complicated “well look at what s/he/they were wearing, of course it happened” way of phrasing it) because I’m sorry, doing a thing that is not agreeing to be actively hurt in the exact way that you get hurt is… not a reason to get hurt!
And if you do a thing TO be hurt in that way, some things by their nature (as in: “the definition includes ‘against one’s will’”) can’t be agreed to!!!!
God, sometimes people (like the whole A/B/O thing where some people are SOOO CLOSE to applying it irl) are just… so willing to miss the point.
Thank you for saying this!
And I think that's the issues though, regardless, he's victimized and everyone subconsciously acknowledges it but disregards that factor due to romanticization of angst and the ideology that a redemption arc is subsequential to a plot when in reality this is often overlooked. It's never depicted in a way that shows progress or genuine development, just "oh he realizes he's actually in love and they have more sex but this time passionately" while constantly overlooking the issue in itself.
exactly, consent should always be retractable
I’m so glad that someone is finally talking about how bad this manhwa is ☹️☹️ the thing that shocks me the most tho is how the author clearly doesn’t recognize the abusive and toxic relationship she has created and is seemingly having fun with it???
@@あんりうえうえ Straight women gleefully writing BLs full of toxicity and abuse and unironically being proud of it needs to be its own trope atp
@@adiagilbert8894 FR!!! like not them pushing negative sterotypes of gay men into mass media. "I'm an ally" then they fetishize us, think we're accessories, and don't care for homoseuxal sexual violence.
Ikr!! The author normalises it so much, like graping men doesn't even exist!!
@@adiagilbert8894 holy shit, that would lowkey make a pretty good manhwa idea
Its the whole glorifying killing stalking type of shit all over again.... 😮💨
After people let killing stalking slide I am physically and emotionally unable to be shocked by anything else
the problem is that, that manhwa is psychology thriller but some people in bl community treat it as bl
Thing is, killing stalking is a psychological horror! Jinx is genuinely trying to be a romance! The fandoms are similar but the source material couldn’t be more different
It's sad cause the author has said many times that killing stalking isn't a romance yet fans sexualized it anyway
@@Sara-dp5dgexactly 🤢 I saw comments and PPL were sad because they didn't end up together
I have a female friend that like read this a lot and in school she was talking with me and another friend and asked her if she read the last comic, i didnt know about it and like she explained some stuff and i was like, bro, thats so abusive and violent and like my other friend was like the same but that other friend defended the relationship and was like he can change and stuff, but me and my other friend were like, no, that doesnt happen, and she was like its fiction and stuff, and she said something in the words of the comic being a different approach of what the author does and that the author did it good and other stuff, but i really found it disturbing and sickening, great video btw
i am SO glad that this video exists. Recently, my school has had an uprising in the normalization of jinx. For example, photocards of joo jaekyung and the ml hanging off their bags and in their wallets in which they flaunt it around like its something normal. I'm so glad this video exists to spread awareness aswell as smack some reality into people like those I mentioned. Thank you, really.
They have photocards on their bags??at school😃why.....plus the fact that their flaunting it,is just oof
recommend them a straight manhwa with the exact same dynamic and grape scenes. See if their sentiment changes.
@@enderflames9669 no-it-wont-change
@Mritti_Born2Lead Oh trust me, it's always the ones who preach about everything progressive yet their actions says otherwise. They are very shallow, hence there will be hypocritical shit like talking about consent and women being SAed then going home to fetishise gay men getting raped. How do I know? I go to school with so many of those.
The girlies be eating this up but if this is a “straight” manhwa they gonna hate it’s living existence. Especially the doctor…
That is exactly the main point the author was trying to point on Jinx.
That misogyny is an inevitable reality all girls can experience while growing up as women with abuse.
There was a great video that explored how bl stories are so entertaining for straight women especially because they can have it as an escapism from misogyny and the risks of being a woman in a heterosexual relationship. It just keeps on happening,just like in Killing Stalking(not a queer romance but it's an example of this issue) where the fans were romanticising their relationship as toxic and obsessive but in a hot enviable way when it was the guy who got abuse but then the fans were triggered when there were chapters that showed female victims who were treated the same by the kidnapper. It's because it is so much easier to not personify the abuse a character goes through if you don't share the same gender as them hence making them less likely to empathize or see how problematic the situation portrayed is. Because women being violated and abused by men is so prevalent in the real world,seeing abuse portrayed in a hetero relationship is not as enjoyable for the same female fans that want to escape the constrains of misogyny and how it affects them in their every day life.
@@queenofbeinghungryaf1025 Exactly. Women face more shame if those things happen to them so they use bl stories indeed as escapism. You are correct.
Ngl with booktok, they probably eat that shit up too if the male lead is “”hot””.
@@queenofbeinghungryaf1025 it's just sad and disgusting
its crazy how popular it is too,, like have you seen those buildings in korea where fans buy actual BILLBOARDS to celebrate the birthday of jaekyung?? shit had me FLABBERGASTED
i have and it really surprised me! and it’s another reason why this video needed to be done
It's also popular bc the creator of this "bl" made another famous bl named "Bj Alex"
It wasn't THAT clean and unproblematic either, but way better and people did like it. Seeing another story of the same author made people curious and some keep reading bc they hope it'll get better
OK. simping for jaekyung is bad enough, BUT BUYING A BILLBOARD FOR A R4P1ST?
that shit was so disgusting no way they put up billboards for a rapist
BILLBOARDS?? WTF😰?? FOR A RAPIST??!
The thing I hate the most is not even the portayed abuse in the manhwa (you can make a good psychological thriller depicting abuse), but the way the author tries to sell you this as a romance story. As you've mentioned, she doesn't think of Dan as a victim, she doesn't consider it to be rap3, she wants them to be in love.
When in the end of season 1 Jaekyung got his ass beaten and Dan left (even tho not for the right reasons, but left nonetheless) I was hoping that the story will acknowledge the horrors of this relationship and makes the abuser suffer the consequences. But the way the characters who got fed up with Jaekyung's treatment are portrayed as pricks and morally bad guys, while the dude who condemns them and tries to convince everyone to help Jaekyung is obviously supposed to be the "voice of reason" I highly doubt the author will get the story in a right direction.
I fear that Jaekyung will go through some shit, we'll be shown some super sad backstory that will be supposed to excuse his actions, and he'll say "sorry" at most and they'll live happily ever after.
I DO NOT CARE how sad of a story he has or what other external factors make him act this way they will never convince me that it can be excused.
It's not "just fiction", it's a popular piece of media that makes people comment shit like SA victims are wrong.
Also rule of thumb - imagine if the criminal was not conventionally attractive and ask yourself if it still looks okay.
no cuz shes obsessed with this trope of the ml abusing the mc and then suddenly making a chasing arc once they leave and suddenly theyre in love and its SO AGGRAVATING
See, that's just weird to me. I'm fine with writing a story exactly like this, but make it what it is. A story about a guy whose life is miserable and a macho attractive dude who takes advantage from him. You can explore dark themes with out romanticizing what they actually are.
How fans take it however is a different story. Killing Stalking is a horror/thriller novel, and people still ship it to hell and back, which is fine, do whatever with fictional people, not so fine with RL people, but that story admits what it is. Trying to make drama and dark content as if it's actually healthy is where I draw a line. You can like and enjoy terrible people and terrible fictional characters. Plenty of people like villains, both well written and very flat but sexy ones. I rarely judge by what people create, but it does say something about a writer and possibly the culture they come from (be it national, familial or whatever else) if they write something abusive and don't realize it's abuse.
That said, there are plenty of people in real life who are woefully educated on what abuse is and how it doesn't always mean a black eye or even physical assault. So, the world has a lot of catching up to do in this regard.
And yes, that is a great rule of thumb because IRL also has issues with this. We excuse a lot of real life people and criminals if they are considered attractive.
@@vinvin7809 As much as Jaekyung is represented as a role model with the pretty privilege for men, what he did to Dan is something which is really unforgiveable and inexcusable.
Dan really didn't know him well as a person and Jaekyung didn't know Dan either. They were conveniently 2 random people in a toxic situationship.
For the people who victim blame Dan for "asking" this, should feel ashamed of themselves. Jaekyung was clearly the abuser, to the superior position in the entire Jinx series and was aware of it himself.
@@vixxcelacea2778
I agree with you wholeheartedly.
I just wish that they'd write a mc that expresses more emotions instead of just fear, sadness and Disney princess.
I don't mind stories like this, if the mc is more grounded and are more reactive to their treatment where is some cases they become genuinely upset, lash out or fight back. Unfortunately they have characters keep those dispositions for a short time in a lot of stories which is a bummer. And I hate..HATE when they make the mc become obsessed with the jerk semi LI like they had no life before them.
The same people who genuinely like Jinx are the same people who genuinely like Haunting Adeline
Holy shit that made me laugh 🤣 you right though.
I saw this comment on something where someone was like “ I’m asexual, so I can read these and not feel attraction to this, so it really stumps people when I say this”
Being asexual doesn’t save you from perpetuating the r@pe culture in these comics. It doesn’t save you from regurgitating the anti-victim mentality in these comics. And it sure doesn’t save you from sexually abusive relationships.
What Jinx IS is propaganda, selling the idea of sexual violence being acceptable at the hands of abusers.
The fact that the intention of the author is to put him through a rue dimentary hell so he can pay for some shit she didn’t really need to write in the first place makes me so hot.
Furthermore, in her creator’s note, she states that she likes writing stories where the abusive asshole goes through hell, I don’t want people to ever harass these artists, but I do want them to start looking differently at their angle. Enough is enough
Do you actually think this comic is making people think that sexual violence is acceptable? Why do you think women are stupid? Why do you think a stupid story is enough to convince women that sexual violence is okay, actually???
Bruh the fuck, I’m asexual and I dropped this shit in the first chapter, it’s literally morals. And believe or not, some asexuals love to read the lovey dovey stuff (fiction), so that person is beyond stupid
It’s the fact she knows he’s abusive and how he’s treating Dan is disgusting, the only time he was even descent to Dan was when he was drunk !!!!! And the fans are worse because they say he’s a red flag but that turns them on and I’m wtf ?!?!
This reminds of a comic called statistic beauty and there is a side story to it that focus on a gay relationship and it’s literally killing stalking but a little lighter , still horrific., the bottom not only is straight ( canonically, literally the author admired it not bi, STRAIGHGT) he gets hit , kidnapped , chained up , brutally beaten , bottles of alchol smashed in his head when wants to leave , electrified, and r@ped multiple time by the twisted sick main lead , and the author admired the bottom was based on her ex and this was basically her revenge story and I felt disgusted as hell
*admitted
The main thing I genuinely dislike about some people dismissing actions that either real or fake (like characters in manhwas or real criminals or any) people do is legitimately at the fact they’re either “hot” or because they have a “redemption arc” or going through one etc, in which is still not a real reason nor excuse to justify what they’ve done, like, absolutely not…😭🙏
That or the classic "stop pushing your western views". It's not even about that half the time. It's about being a decent human being.🤨
@@LD11_11omg i have never of this excuse but that’s WILD!!
Been in a Jinx group before and lemme tell you, the #1 response to 'I hate Jaekyung' or 'Jaekyung is a horrible person, red flag, irredeemable' is usually 'trust the process' or 'this is season 1 Jaekyung', essentially it's usually defending him without stop.
I dunno if I'm just remembering incorrectly but I don't think BJ Alex had this many red flags, it's honestly hard to believe both are by the same person because while BJ Alex definitely isn't perfect, I don't remember Ahn Jiwon assaulting his SO, again you can remind me because it's been a long time.
@Olson_GothNxtch thats what im saying- bj alex wasnt good but at least it had its moments-- jinx however..
@@LABYYY I see it so fucking much I wanna pull my hair out and scream 😭. Ppl think it’s a serve but it’s not😭😭😤.
No because I had to stop reading Jinx cuz it made me so uncomfortable, there are SO MANY manhwas out there that are trying so hard to normalize SA and it’s so disgusting 🤢 thank you for bringing this to light.
same, i'm tired of the authors glorifying r*pe and SA
u read codename Anastasia?? you'll think jaekyung is nat that of a red flag after all💀
As a victim of both SA and the R word me too dude like how do people enjoy this stuff :(
It’s disgusting yet there are people out there who would gleefully think it’s “hot” and it’s “romance” but once your in the victim’s situation then its messed up??
I stopped reading after that chapter where heesung was summoned by jaekyung and you know the rest.....I was so shocked that I stopped reading it. Wtf was that
@@PyramidsofGiza369 and the fact that dan still isn't aware of what happened that night...
This video was so well put together and addressed these issues in such a respectful and serious light, 10/10. And to any victims who've been in a similar situation I hope you're in a better place and have at least found some solace ❤
FINALLY SOMEONE IS TALKING ABOUT ROMANTICIZING VIOLENCE!!!
I’m so sick of people obsessing over jinx, it’s disgusting me out
You ate this, The thing I geniunely don't like about the whole dynamic is how, Mingwa tried to slip around the nature of the story by making it so that Dan "agreed" to the actions Jaekyung takes due to it being apart of their "contract". But she literally made Dan sign his bodily autonomy away to Jaekyung especially when Jaekyung paid off the Debt and he said to dan "I Paid for you with cold hard cash" (Which you included at 8:00)
The worst part is, if Dan was a girl everyone would cancel jinx. The double standards go crazy💀
uhm there's already tons of shoujo manhwa that are also popular that's like that, since a few years back but you also didn't protest about it that's the reason why I stop reading het romance. but no one actually protest about that 🤔 there's also a lot of abuse in the current romance manhwa contents but no one's talking
@@hualian5339 give me some examples, I haven’t really read many shoujo manga😭
Not really. This is a common trope in Asian romance forever, or at least since I could read. Heterosexual, GL/BL stories all feature this. It’s clear that this video is viewing the phenomenon through a western progressive lens and it doesn’t click.
Not exactly... there are tons of toxic shoujo manga and YA novels that depicts toxic male leads and submissive female characters that gets fucked over multiple times yet girls still swoon over it. It's disappointing.
search booktok your mind will die
this is so common too in the bl manhwa/yaoi manga genre which is sad. even those old japanese yaoi mangas from the 90s are primarily abusive/unhealthy relationships where consent is just thrown out the window and assault is fetishized. Like??? 😭
It's basically a Dead Dove Do Not Eat fic where it is absolutely indulgent and in no way can be justified IRL
and they didn’t even mark it as such, so people are walking into this and possibly being triggered by sa.
and worse, they probably didn't mark it dead dove do not eat bc they didn't see a problem with it in the first place which is just so disgusting
@@blankblank8311 they don’t, they marked it “rough”
I had noticed by the example of popular Russian hentai sites like Hentaichan and Yaoichan that Yaoichan has less diverse tag system than Hentaichan and there are NO "rape" tag. So, you can avoid things you don't like in hentai sites made primarily for heterosexual men, while in yaoi/bara sites, you have to be VERY careful while starting to read smut manga because there will be things you don't like and that you were not warned about.
@@peachesandcream22 it also doesn't help that the fans the fans that recommended these types of stories tend to not see it as sa or rape and then don't warn or mark the stories as such, making it harder to find one without it, like on tiktok and even regular reading sites, unless you got roped into it by a recommendation, you don't really know what you're getting in to
I'm gald you addressed how Tops are always big and Bottom are always small. It's literally just a self insert for the women who write it.
LITERALLY but they write it both men so they can fetishize it freely
I always do find out odd that at that point they just don’t insert women because then it would be perceived as problematic, even though they feminized the males to the point that the only thing that stops them from being a woman is what’s between their legs.
Uh.. Dan isnt small he's actually above average in height hes like 5 foot ten
@@Coconasbaldshinyluminoushead Uuh actually 🤓 it's about the height difference. The Uke is always portrait as smaller and more slender than the Seme. I wonder why
Self inserting isn't the issue, it's the heteronormativity
my classmate has a keychain, badges and a SHIRT with this manhwa. she's wearing all of it at SCHOOL😭😭
A way to promote it 😭
Bet she stinks
Really? She sounds weird.
THATS EMABRRASINGG
HELPP WHATTT😭😭
CONGRATS ON YOUR A+ you deserved it! This video was so well put! Thank you for putting every issue about jinx on the video !
Jinx is so uncomfy. First time reading it and I was surprised it didn't have a grape tag
NO WARNING. I LOST MY MARBLES.
Fr it's straight up just r@pe and s*xual assault it's disgusting that people love this jaekhyung guy so much
You can say rape
I'm pretty sure the rough tag in most bl is a lighthearted way of saying r*pe.
Fr I'm surprised there's no psychological tag
I read like the first 3 or 4 chapters and dropped it cuz I started sobbing when Dan gave up his body just for the sake of saving his grandma and paying debt, and it being the only option he really had at the time is even more heartbreaking. After all that he still thinks it's his fault...
Jaekyung is evil..
And the fact that this manhwa will have a season 2... 🤢
@@bracketd_oom2033 yeah, idk why ppl romanticize grape sm except for ppl who have gone through it before
I also dropped it around chapter 5, I couldn't take it anymore. It was just so disgusting :(
i don't even know what kind of person can write this, look at it and say: 'yup, this is GREAT.'
This is the first time I’ve seen my favorite creator done an essay video and I’m here for it!!!!!!!!
AYYYYEEEE IM PROUD TO BE YOUR FAVE
I'm so sorry for spamming the comments, but my lord i love this video so much, i've watched it multiple times. The education about consent, SA and Fries is just too good.
the fact that Mingwa previously wrote a story in which the violence was romanticized as well is actually terrifying. I read the BJ Alex because people said it was great but… it was so wrong how the intimacy was portrayed. I hoped this was going to be different but it’s actually worse, i dropped it very early.
Fr the switch with the male love interest (the streamer guy) was so sudden it literally made no sense 😭
BJ Alex is just a PG 13 version of jinx 😭
as a gay man who reads bl, bj alex was one of my first reads and it still bothers the absolute fuck out of me the way ahn jiwon treated DongGyun. like it really irks me how he continued to be an asshole and DG just let him be because “i have a crush on him.” Jiwon needed to grovel and be sad longer for the pain he caused
@@nourmallysaltyreally disappointed how they just fetishised gay men all the time
@@nourmallysalty not a man but bj alex was one of the first manhwas i read too. at the time i LOVED it but the more time has gone on the more i despise it for exactly that reason. honestly jinx is bj alex with its worst aspects dialed up to 11, like dubious consent in bj alex? fuck that in jinx its blatant rape. jiwon was quite a massive dick to dg? well jaekyung is straight up abusive to dan and pretty much everyone around him. theres probably more but idk i dont feel like revisiting either
So basically since he's not a woman he's not a victim?
How would people react if Dan was a woman?
Anyone can be a Victim
No matter gender Race Sexuality ethnicity Nationality
exactly !!! sadly the view of “the ideal victim” is still relevant, but I’m hoping more and more people will open their eyes and realize that you don't need certain aspects to make you a victim.
Im not English good, but I want ask, are you able to see the different between fiction and reality? And are you the type of person to sy you proship you deserve deaht and fiction efec reality?
My friend send me you video and said while saying "you deserve death for liking jinx" (translasion)@@LABYYY
@@FiolentaPasyenribefore you start throwing accusations at the op, rewatch this video properly. You skipped the part where she clearly explains why the excuse of fiction doesn’t actually work when it comes to stories like Jinx. Yes, fiction isn’t reality, but it can affect how someone views reality, especially when a person has consumed so much problematic content that portrays it with no care, or even warnings. And where the hell did pro shippers come from? Do you consider yourself to be one? If that’s the case then please reevaluate why you condone such things in the media you consume, without the excuse of it just being fiction, because that’s a fickle excuse. And on the topic of your friend, nobody should wish death upon others, so your friend is wrong in that regard. But if I was your friend, I would be concerned as to why you enjoy a dumpster fire like Jinx in the first place. 😅
@@admiremyimmeasurablebeauty401 right? the whole "not distinguishing fiction from reality" excuse is getting tiring especially when excusing a literal CRIME.
@@zuzu7918 what crime??? Line and color??? Is it propaganda ???? Or is it just a story using 'two dolls'. I am a proshipper, I bet none of ya understand the actual meaning, but I am actually a victim and I can see the different between fiction and reality. Those who said I do this bcs of a certain character are already mentally ill from the start, hence why proshipper is only on the fictional basis, if the character based on an actual person who doesn't want to be drawn that way, then proshipper won't support it. I actually try my best to help others in the same thing as me and not shaming or tell them to stop doing their coping mechanism. And what have y'all actually do????
Due to curiosity, I read this author’s work (I’ve read BJ Alex before), and the amount of fans who fail to see the portrayal of this relationship as horrifying is shocking.
They treat what MC going through as ‘oh he will get used to it soon ☹️ just another angst before things get fluffy again’ like no this isnt just some boyfriends arguing 🤦♂️ this is a crime. This isn’t some ‘bad boy x nerd’, that is a r*pist and a victim.
If the story doesn’t end with the ‘love interest’ serving life in prison, then what’s the point? To satisfy a disgusting fantasy where if you stay long enough, thing’ll get better?
Korean ‘romance’ authors just open a spreadsheet of red flags and start highlighting them with pink is truly a common sight to see.
Assult R cases in Korea is notorious to be lenient and has been discrimitory towards the victim rather than the prepetrator. In fact look up Miryang Gang Case, the victim has been harrassed by the family member of the prepetrator to the point of actually settling it with money withdrawing the case. Prior to that the victim was interrogated by the investigator as if she was the instigator to be abused by these so called middle school gangs. The most notible victim that brought the case to light, was that sadly her parents didn't give her the support throught this horrible investigation and harrasment, leading to the victim being super vurnable thus why she made that descision even tho they could have potentially won that case. Worse of the multiple prepetrators were living normal even some with successful lives that were exposed to the media. We haven't even touch the CR which you can look at Cho Doo-soon case which the most infurating part is the release section where the perp actualy lived not so far away from the victim.
My curiosity is peaking but I don't want to be traumatized.
My curiosity won I'm traumatized.
Real, only bed this dude ending up in is behind bars
I mean KS and painters of the night unfortunately opened the doors for these dynamics to become really trendy and then Jinx and all the others started. If it didn’t have beautiful art or full color, if this was a manga from like 10+ years ago these ppl would react very differently. That boxer was irredeemable from the first three chapters literally with their first interactions and even before he meet Dan, already was introduced as someone that is violent. The fact that these ppl continued reading this, like what are they looking for?
whenever i see SA in bl or any manhwa i jus leave bc the comments are so disgusting to read....😭
I really like the way you explain things, i can watch these for hours
I genuinely don’t understand why bl manhwa writers feel the need to include SA in their work. Like, it’s weird.
Literally, it’s really frustrating cause for the most part, authors that write it in the story don’t put care into the subject matter
I genuinely don''t understand why people bother read something what's clearly not their cup of tea, like if you don't like it, it's completely fine, but please don't cling to it and scroll over to read something else
@@lolzdhelo9847 … You do realize a manhwa can look all lovey dovey & rainbows yet can still blindside you with SA? For ex, "Cherry Blossoms after Winter" in the final chapter.
I actually like BL manhwas & still do, but i’m more so delving into the need to include SA in their work. I never suggested that I dislike the genre, but the certain things in said genre.
i wish as a gay man i could find literally anything that isnt. toxic and SA but its borderline impossible
@@lolzdhelo9847every single Bl seems to have sa in some way
Some girl tried to convince me that it wasn't a rape and that I don't know what I am talking about since I never experienced SA..?
the way my jaw dropped
You should have lied and replied with
"Yeah I have HOW DARE YOU!"
jinx fans tried to convince me that it's not r*pe because jaekyung is paying dan for it
Yeah that's fucked up. Definitely not someone who should be reading like... Any kind of problematic media.
It's fine to say "personally I find this fictional situation hot, as a fantasy". It's not fine to like, try to explain it away, to convince people it's unproblematic.
My disappointment is immeasurable
THEY CAN NEVER MAKE ME LIKE YOU JINX 🗣️🗣️🗣️
SPREAD THE WORD🔥🔥🔥🔥
FAXX
🗣🗣🗣🔥🔥 🔥
We all said in unison
UP! UP!
I think in stories like this, the author has every right to dive into any kind of topic, even tough ones like this. It’d be strange if all writers just made ‘sanitized’ stories, avoiding the darker themes we know exist in real life.
What really frustrates me about this work, though, isn’t just the clichéd attempt to justify the abuser, but also how illogical it all is plot-wise. Like, there’s this scene where Jaekyung suddenly shows up at the hospital to see the grandmother. It’s so out of character that it’s ridiculous, like they’re trying to make us believe he’s ‘not that bad.’ Look at him-he’s a terrible person, but he has a soft spot for a random stranger’s grandma he’s never even met. Up to this point, we’ve seen zero hints about Jaekyung’s past that could give us context or show another side of him. So when it gets to the grandma scene, it’s just not believable. And each chapter makes this character even more unlikeable-he’s pure evil with zero morals. And that would actually be fine if the story leaned into it, like setting it up so that everything ends badly for the characters, for example. Then it’d at least make psychological and narrative sense.
I’m also not a fan of how Kim Dan’s character is shown. He’s 30, educated as a doctor, but he’s acting completely naive. With his ‘rescuer complex,’ he’s portrayed as a total doormat and honestly, not very smart. And okay, sure, you could have a character like that-something in his life might’ve made him this way, plus he has the sick grandma, his weak spot. In this situation, he might even ‘fall in love’ with his abuser (though obviously it’s not love, just a survival tactic for coping). But what bugs me is that Dan doesn’t seem to reflect on his life or situation at all; he’s written as a totally flat character. His so-called ‘love’ is shown one-sidedly and is romanticized like it’s a normal thing. And what’s even more irritating is that Jaekyung will probably get excused for everything; they’ll give him a ‘troubled childhood’ backstory, and everyone will just forgive him. So, no consequences for his actions. The story won’t have any kind of moral, point, or even remotely believable character development. So yeah, I think this work is weak not just for romanticizing abuse, but also because of its poor storytelling and character setup.
This comment is exactly how I feel thank you. I hate how the direction the story is going but what I dislike even more are the people who defend the manhwa and take offence to those who are critical of how the SA is handled. They think that just because it's fictional it makes it immune from criticism.
Jinx doesn’t seem to have a bad story, but it should serve as a message or warning on what SA looks like, since it accurately portrays SA in such depth. But instead the violence in it is glorified/romanticized, which is really disturbing and makes me cringe.
Right ✅️
after the author made Dan fall for that Jerk 😂. It's a mess.
It’s really sad that in society (seems like it’s MANY cultures) that consent isn’t taught as a fact like you can pull away from consent ANYTIME and shouldn’t be coerced
Recently in my country two 5 YEAR OLD boys r4ped another kid in 2024 it's insane to think that actually happened and how parents and the world in general doesn't try to better our situation and i really hope all kids involved are okay
I'm so glad you're talking about this. I just finished it the other day and reading through the comments was maddening. People were defending jaekyung by saying it was consensual because Dan stayed and accepted the deal. Consent can be taken back any time and Dan's circumstances kind of forced his acceptance of the deal... I can't believe how people don't see it as rape! Dan was literally bleeding like wtf is wrong with people
Ikr. I feel so bad for Kim Dan And there are Who even blamed him for Being so naive and not leaving the top when he could
The reason why BL manhwas and mangas are so filled with violence and grape is because all of these people are corn addicted, the authors and the consumers. If you watch enough corn the lighter stuff will start to lose its kick with time, so they need to find something more extreme to get the satisfaction they used to. That's how corn addiction works.
THIS!!!! Teenage girls will proudly say that they don't care to read anything if it's not BL and graphic. Pookie that's called being an ADDICT
oh this end
oh wow that actually makes sense... dang is this why some of my friends prefer more extreme things in their media? it would make sense for them bc they seek out very explicit books... man
Porn addiction isn’t real, it was entirely invented by radical Christian groups to shame and control people
I guess but I can't be the only one who finds consent super hot.
I think the reason why Jaekyung (or whatever his name is) chose men instead of women is because he knows that he will get a lot of consequences from forcing them,if he made a woman do all of the stuff that Kim Dan had to go through (idk how to explain this) he'll face a lot of criticism,and he'll probably also end up in jail etc
Either way whether he does it to men or women it’s disgusting bruh he’s just annoying and weird and needs to be jailed
@@queenisit ik ik,im not defending him in any form or way,just a theory
@@Ni-kis.stickers I understand what you mean. Male sa/r*pe victims aren't taken seriously at all ( unfortunately) And most of the times their r*pists don't get any punishment at all because " men can't get r*ped" The justice system and society don't help male victims at all and that's sickening
This combined with the fact that no one knows his sexuality gives him this false sense of a security blanket; "no one would know, how would they find out", and his social status play in his favor. Unfortunately as we've seen, this rhetoric occurs in reality with people with power (in some capacity along with sometimes their looks) to fall back on so they aren't initially demonized in the public eye
Also some really effed up men will literally *do* anyone/anything (if you get where I'm going here) just for their own pleasure... it's sick
@nyahlapin ngl,i never read the manhwa(thankfully) but yeah,it's true,and no matter,fiction or real life,it's just purely disgusting
The author herself has said multiple times that she loves bully romances and she loves when the "uke" character really has to suffers before getting the love at the end (it feels satisfying to her). She also stated that she knows these stories are problematic. I DESPISE this webtoon but I just wanted to repeat the authors notes. My conception is that she and her readers enjoy the extreme highs of extreme stories. There's no deeper meaning to it than it's a fictional fetish thing. I HIGHLY recommend watching ContraPoint's Twilight video, where she deep dives into the history of fetish reads.
@@frostkiss2 as someone who's read many bl stories where SA is romanticized like jinx, I'm not surprised.
This is exactly how it's like for me 😭😭 personally I'm not a fan of Jinx, mainly because it's not that interesting plot-wise, but I'm a masochist and have extreme fantasies.
I've read worse stuff like An Easy Target & my fav is The Warehouse 😶🌫️
@@annrosentiaW warehouse fan but do not compare that to Jinx😭
@@annrosentia The warehouse 💀💀
@@XHatsuneMikuX ABSOLUTELY NOT Jinx doesn't stand a chance against my goat 💯
Honestly, I used to be one of Jinx's defenders until the Q&A dropped. I genuinely thought that the author wasn't romanticizing their abusive relationship since Dan was always expressing to the readers his suffering and humiliation regarding his situation. But in the Q&A, it is evident that the author doesn't see how drastic their relationship dynamic has escalated for the worst. Mingwa only describes Jaekyung as a 'toxic male lead' (which is a complete understatement), and has a complete positive perspective towards all the smut scenes she has written. But the terrifying part is that Mingwa will now attempt to redeem a character that is completely irredeemable in the first place *with the mindset that is shown in the Q&A.* I had high hopes for this comic, but this changes everything.
@lucannor6202 its weird how the authors writing became worst??? Like comparing bj alex to jinx and its like-- mf how did you downgrade this much writing wise-
i think the Q&A was really the big clarification for everyone. it proved that she intended for their relationship to be romantic when there is so much to work. and you saying that mingwa only talks about him as simply "toxic" proved more that she really doesn't have the same perspective as we do for this comic. also, you made good points and slayed!!!
I mean, what were you expecting when the manhwa has such graphic scenes meant to entice the readers...
@@annrosentia It might seem so painfully obvious now, but who would even be enticed by such blantant sexual violence?
@@lucannor6202 masochists like me.
Tbh jinx is the tip of iceberg. There are so many manwha that have alot of messed up things in them
"Painter in the night" 🥹
Finder series for example
Nobody better mention Killing Stalking. That’s supposed to be horror. The fandom just lacks media literacy
heavy on ghostly vendetta
@@gloop7458 Agreed, people are so insane.
supporting and liking a LITERAL CRIME just because someone is attractive is crazy.
The whole gay shit is weird and females liking it is even weirder
I mean, if Ted Bundy has a fan base, I wouldn't be surprised people like these kinds of stuff🥹💀
@@FloraBellesGarden no it's mostly because he is a famous serial killer, not just a mean guy...
@ggadams639 I mean, true but what I'm saying is that people like red flags, especially when they're very handsome to the point that they would not care if the person is a murderer XP
It's crazy that Jaekyung hasn't even had that "backstory" yet and there's people defending him
haven't finished watching the video - but can I just compliment the video editing! I love it - such great comedic timing!
This analysis is EPIC. You really have called out the dangers of the pretty privilege, parasocial relationships and celebrity status/ public image; and how it means those with enough power/status can get away with crimes that regular people cannot.
And your description of the 'ideal victim' hits hard. So many people are invalidated thanks to society's idea of what a victim is; most victims are complex and varied like Dan... really great analysis. Gotta admit although this mahwa is deeply flawed, Dan is way too relatable. I'm kinda speechless that this author accidentally made a pretty realistic sexual abuse experience in this story but sees it as a romance... thats wild
Also your editing is really good!
I agree with you
This seems like the case of Killing Stalking in reverse. It was a psychological thriller/horror that was marketed as such but because it featured 2 guys in a relationship and was made during the rise of translated BL/yaoi manhwas of the late 2010s, 90% of readers wildly misinterpreted it as simply a “dark romance/bl” instead of the genuine horror story that it is.
In this case, Jinx is marketed as a “rough” bl despite having rape and emotional, mental, physical and sexual abuse. The readers are still a part of the problem, but they’re actually just interpreting the story in the way that it’s supposed to be, which is the actual issue.
yea the author of jinx is absolutely convinced that her work is a romance if you see her authors notes. she thinks character redemption = abusive ml becoming a decent person. like no just no
@@curryfishheadenjoyer I'm just saying: No one will be mad if this was Hentai. UNFORTUNATELY, author thinks his stories' serious so it's to the bin with thee.
I’ve seen this story being mentioned in the danmei community on Reddit. Too many people in the bl space love to use the “stop pushing your western beliefs/ideals/views” argument, and to me that doesn’t make sense, nor does it mean it’s a good excuse for noncon stuff that happens, or anything else thats controversial.
"Stop pushing your Western beliefs/ideals/views...." IS WILD 😭
ah yes, because human rights and morality are western views 😀
Ah yes... consent... the western belief. I don't read danmei with non con either unless there's going to be a resolution on that like 2ha so guess I'm plagued with western belief
The worse part of it is that people from those Conservative countries absolutely have this mindset too. I'm from one. LGBTQA+ rights, disability rights or even child grooming are regarded as 'Western concept' that shouldn't exist within the country
didn’t realize consent was woke/western ideals damn 😭
It’s refreshing to see people agree, because I see that “argument” be used over and oVer again. It’s sickening and scary. Istg I wanna rant on Reddit but I can’t and won’t. It’s pointless.
When I search Jinx and this comes up instead of my glorious Jinx from Arcane
another thing, the author had talked about how they wanted to write a redemption story but couldn’t they do it without the rape? i remember i commented saying “i fucking hate jaekhyun, im dropping this.” and someone replied “just wait, he will redeem himself soon.”does every redemption bl ever written NEED to have rape? like, she could have just easily made jaekhyun to be a spoiled egoistic brat with toxic masculinity that looked down on poor people and mistreated dan and then worked on from there. they could have just aimed to have a very good character development of jaekhyun without putting rape in it!!
Putting the manhwa aside, I hope people realize that having that type of mindset is incredibly harmful. Sexual assault has gotten so normalized in manhwas now that people think that RAPING someone is redeemable? Come off it.
@@chienj9223 for real. I really really love reading redemption stories but its always so difficult to find BL mangas that do a good job with this kind of genre. When i think of redemption, i think of a person with a shitty personality having a very good character development (like zuko from avatar). But for some reason authors like mingwa always think having a "shitty personality" means to be a r*pist. Thats a criminal. The only redeployment for that is jail for life or execution 😐
what i dont understand is why some people still defend this man after all he did to dan
also LABY i noticed you added the piano version of Nxde- G-IDLE
it's because of the way the author draws jaekyung as a hot and attractive man who's going to turn into a "green flag"
b-b-but he is hot s-so it's ok... 🥺🥺🥺
/j
I can’t defend Jaekyung
Follow up topic: Why is sexual assault predominant in all kinds of literature, what is the mindset behind it? What was the motivation in putting them on pieces of literature? Games with killing also romanticizes violence, but why are we not bothered with it, instead are desensitized?
I would say because sex is an intimate thing while violence isn't.
Violence can be justified in some circumstances, sexual assault can not.
What angers me the most is that toxic relationships and romanticisation of sexual abuse is so common among bl manhwas. Seriously, trying to find a bl that is 18+ and is not toxic is almost impossible. It just shows how the community is more into someone being hurt, seeing it as something “hot” rather than consensual relationship, as it’s “more interesting” or “more intense” and views a healthy relationship as boring (also the consent in toxic manhwas is pretty much taken as when one of them (usually bottom) agrees to having a sexual relationship and not before every time they do the deed. So when they do it and he says “no i don’t want to” the answer is “but you agreed to”)(hope you get my point). Jinx’s case is just BJ Alex 2.0 - it was also toxic to the extreme and took very little time to get characters to like each other again, so not only toxic but also super rushed. It could’ve been way better if the author actually showed that it took time and a lot of effort to build trust once again (a similar motive is in Banana Scandal season 2 and the author handles it really well as it’s years that pass before they get together and not like a month)
Forgive me for this long yapp but it’s rare to see someone talk about bl’s toxicity so I’m glad you’ve made this video and just wanted to share qwq
hating on jinx is more than a opinions... is a lifestyle
It's that one job I don't get paid for
Literally my job
louder
REALLL! although I cannot be vocal enough because one of my dearest friend actually loves it but aside from her, I’m going to continue my absolute hatred with this Psychotic story 🤗🤗
REALLL! although I cannot be vocal enough because one of my dearest friends actually loves it but aside from her, I’m going to continue my absolute hatred with this Psychotic story 🤗🤗
This story literally sounds like the most insane thing on the planet. I do love the way you handled discussing it as well and it made for easy and smooth watching, genuinely appreciate this video as well as the video type fully and wholly♡
Yall should read ouroboros. It's a BL that treated rape as rape and the healing/downfall of the victim after that. It was that one manhwa that was just a rare occurrence of a BL author writing their characters as HUMAN whose actions have CONSEQUENCES and not dolls that are made only for the alarmingly large number of BL readers with the rape kink..
i think ouroboros actually portrays rape how it is, which is different than what jinx attempts to do. most of these stories (not only bls) that do not deal with rape the way it should be dealt with, are just using it as “plot device”, not actual awful things that happen to people.
hidoku shinaide starts with rape but in no way it portrays how any of the characters felt in regards to that, it was showed as an “inconveniece” at most (that when happened with the 2 main characters, SA that happens with other characters are dealt with properly). Bls and other stories like ouroboros that actually portray them how they are have completely different intentions. one is meant to entertain and show how their relationship and themselves as characters changes (for the better)) and the other intends to portray “real” people in traumatic situations. It’s just different, even though they deal with similar experiences. both are bad but only one is realistic (and should be treated as such).
frfr funny how that one isnt as popular
@@dodge1721 agreed!
Imma go read it rn
I HAVEN'T WATCHED THE VIDEO YET AND AS SOON AS I SAW THE THUMBNAIL I RAISED MY HANDS UP IN THE AIR IN EXCITEMENT. FINALLY,SOMEONE CALLS THIS OUTT.UGH I HATE THIS MANHWA ON SO MANY LEVELS
u were right at the start, i had a good life before i knew wtf this is
ayo I told you😭😭😭😭
@@LABYYY i should have left when i had the chance😭
Same girl, same😭😂
I’ve read lots of yaoi manga, and a concerning amount of them romanticise these abusive, coercive relationships, but Jinx? Jinx is the worst I’ve read. I’m reading it at this point purely to see how it ends, not because I enjoy any part of it. It’s not even trying to take an interesting perspective on it (I’d argue Killing Stalking was an interesting viewpoint in a Stockholm syndrome relationship), Jinx is just…scary.
I agree whole heartedly. killing stalking also isn’t meant to be a romance, but jinx is which is WACK.
@@LABYYY to me jinx has a lack of self awareness of what it is, whereas upon reading killing stalking it should be very clear to readers with any ounce of media literacy that killing stalking isn’t romantic (regardless of what it’s marketing says 💀)
you see but that’s the thing a lot of people who read jinx or defend it lack media literacy. they just brush it off as “it’s just fiction!!” and honestly it pisses me off to hear that same damn excuse every single time. come up with something new won’t ya? and the thing is unlike killing stalking. the story itself isn’t even aware that it’s bad, and justifies the toxic behavior that happens in the story. which is why a lot of viewers assume nothing is wrong with the story. since the story itself doesn’t even know what’s wrong with it
@@xodollyangelox literally because all I see as a response to someone dragging jinx is "it's just fiction" lmao like bro what? a story about aliens or some shit is "just fiction" meanwhile jinx is based on very REAL, very NON FICTIONAL situations which are disturbing and traumatizing like what in the world
@@try9749A better comeback would be if it's okay to normalize webtoons for pee-does because "It's just fiction!"
Fiction or not, we don't know how literature like these can affect the minds of young people, especially those susceptible to manipulation because they lacked attention pr care at home.
How tf do some even enjoy reading literal rape? 😭 then call it romance just because the character "will eventually see that they can't live w/o their VICTIM then will eventually treat them better later on anyway." What I hate the most is when readers pull the "because they're complex and not everything is black and white" argument. Like, stop.
@OxiKomaIt's not, it's a kink, it's not something you can be addicted to. I feel sorry you got so thoroughly brainwashed by religion
@@BlueCoolOlayou’re replying to a lot of comments in an attempt to convince yourself you’re not into literal r@pe, it is a mental illness and people like you who are into it genuinely need help, r@pe is not hot or enjoyable fictional or not it is a disgusting traumatic event that no individual should be forced to go through let alone enjoy seeing.
@OxiKoma any particular reason that made you stop?
@OxiKoma It's really not. Its just a kink, as normal as liking feet, yeah a little more extreme but you don't have to shame someone just because you don't like it anymore and say all of us who like CNC are mentally ill. Like, yeah, its a dead dove not eat situation, but we are all free to enjoy it if we are able to understand that its clearly not real life.
I once read a sudden rape scene and the character was literally thinking "I don't want this. I don't want to be here" made me sick to my stomach I swear it messed me up for like 2 days
IM SO UNBELIEVABLY HAPPY SOMEONES SPEAKING UP ABOUT IT!!! my friend recommended me to read it and i was in pure disgust , and i havent seen anyone really take it as serious as it really is becuase it is , truly , disgusting.
The whole comic/manhwa is just disgusting. The fact BL readers excuse that kind of behavior (most of them being WOMEN) just because the male lead is hot..ew. straight up. Im glad you mentioned and made a whole commentary about this comic makes me glad some people are taking the comic seriously.
It's a fake senario, even if it's messed up and terrible, it can be a guilty pleasure for most, and the ones excusing their behaviors are delutional teens without parental supervision, and like to imagine to be in a fake senario with fake boys. Sure, I've also had my days when I was a teen, reading wattpad and all but grape is crazy
Hey not all bl readers are like that, I am not. And the ml honestly doesn't even look that nice
@@nara9404im aware, i shouldve been more specific, im sorry if i offended some of the good bl readers that respect and dont fetish the mls (T-T)
@@Genshinfrequently I'm not blaming you 😅. I was just kidding.