The Role of Family in the Quest for a Spiritual Home with Jonathan Pageau and John Vervaeke
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- This was the panel discussion following my conversation with @johnvervaeke .
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Ironically, John Vervaeke redeemed this conversation from being too focused on ideals and brought us back to healing broken hearts. Not that it wasn't all a lovely conversation, I enjoyed it greatly.
Community is something I struggle to long for. I tend to enjoy solitude, probably from trauma suffered but I still find Community unappealing. This is one reason church has been difficult for me. People want to invite me in and I like being on the outside.
You are here though?
@Chance Chopp if you consider 'here' watching a video on TH-cam then sure but by that definition I seen a mountain in a picture, therefore I am at that mountain.
@@kayjay6039 no here is commenting.
But I tale your point
@Chance Chopp Got it. Yeah commenting = Community not following that logic. Sorry I am not good at the winsome thing either.
@kay jay through the picture the mountain was brought to you.
Like through this thread you are apart of an engagement with a kind of community
Thanks again everyone involved!
❤ i feel like this conversation needs to continue.. thanks Paul
The comment about the eunuch points to the huge void for me in this big ongoing conversation. How are the fringe people supposed to navigate the current reality and find a good path? "Have a big family" is great advice for those who are still young enough to change their direction, but for a lot of us it's way too late, and we all had our reasons and our own origin stories. Anyway, I would like to hear more about people who have made the big turn later in life and how they come to terms with it being too late to do certain things, and not falling into a state of regret and despair over that. The eunuch may be getting a lot out of that bible, but God isn't going to reattach the family jewels for him.
No family, no humanity. Y'all need to take Revelations seriously!
Isn't it pronounced Revelation 😅
Facing the reality tuat we cajt simply "go back", and the question of "when would we go back to" are both crucial to figuring out where to go next. The idea that the 1950s nuclear family is an ideal, is embracing so much of modernity that we can't really recapture, nor would many of us want to. John V's comments about attachment and proactively discerning one's style and top 5 personality traits shows a high level of maturity and love for others that is also practical. This conversation needs to continue somehow.
This was fantastic
What is disability?
Who plants the acorn knowing its true beauty? Who couldn't point to an oak, for their care was never with, but enjoys the bounty at the hands of the craftsman? What is a leaf? What is a petal?
When the body is quelled the mind is free. What is coin? What is mourning?
I have lived in several American villages ... 1200+ or fewer people. But always as a peripatetic. An actual village with family was my mother's life in the 1930s. WWII ended that.
I’d love to hear a discussion on the flaws of group identification.The issue I see is that as soon as we align ourselves with a particular group we alienate those who are not in the same category. Thus collective identification is in opposition to the idea of - home. Because it makes people feel not at home to claim to identify with the particular form of community.
Your house, my house, our house - all distinct.
Nested homes. 1 home houses several others.
I think we are heading for trouble if we set the identities we posses as opposed to each other
I have a family, that lives on a street, in a town, in a state, in a country, on a continent, on earth for example
Someone might be outside my town, but there are still other containers which we share in common and can relate to each other at. I might be a fan of [Team X] which is a rival to [Team Y], but even for the rival fans we still both love the sport the teams play, etc
“Tribalism” in this way is an unavoidable way of existing in the world, human nature, etc. The only real alternative is atomization
Great talk, the participants identified some great friction points between domains that will work best when they are applied in harmony. Hope to see more focus on the subtopics they brought up here.
Whenever TLC turns from description to prescription I get very itchy. How do we interpret the law without adding to it. How do we understand the law without understanding that it’s impossible? I hear “structure” and “pattern” communicated as laws unto themselves. The law increases the trespass. I am not the pattern I do not fit in the structure. Oh wretched man that I am. Must I believe and confess extra things beyond Jesus is Lord and God raised him from the dead? Is Grace sufficient or not?
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22:32 There is no life giving pattern. The letter kills (2 Cor. 3:6). Jesus said to his own mother, "What have I to do with thee?" Life only comes by the cross (death, burial and resurrection) of Jesus Christ.
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PB2: 41:10
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Another good one. Thanks!