Pepsi's Tesla Semi Drives over 1,600 Miles In less than 48 Hours while loaded
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- Pepsi's Tesla Semi Drives over 1,600 Miles In less than 48 Hours while loaded
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Regen braking isn't back-up breaking. It's the main brakes. The standard brakes with pads and rotors are the back-up brakes in EV's.
I was about to post the same. 👍👍👍
was Bill Gate's opinion sought because he is what? an expert in the field?
Agreed... why is a doctor and pharmacist commenting on electric vehicles?
Nobody sought his opinion. He felt the need to express his useless opinion on something he knows nothing about. He has a way of being where he doesn't belong, like his visit to the lab in China when they were engineering the virus
@@Tschacki_Quacki: Gates is a college dropout. Not a doctor, and he stuck his nose into drugs, so to speak.
@@Tschacki_Quacki😂
Your ignorance about Bill Gates business interests and global influence is staggering. Do a little research and you will understand why it is important that Bills influence becomes diminished.
I enjoy seeing these Pepsi trucks running around Sacramento and toward Lake Tahoe. They really move up the hill.
Saw a couple on TV that made their income driving a tractor trailer together. Their annual income = $150,000 annually. Their biggest expense, no surprise, diesel fuel = $100,000 annually. In addition, $300 per month for oil changes. EV an truck will save them enormous amounts of money, if they can afford the capital expense.
Drove heavy garbage trucks in the late 80s with Thelma brakes, which was an electric magnet on the tail shaft, Electric retard is brilliant. I understand it is a different method of retard but is worth mentioning.
We call it “special needs” now, not the r-word. 😅
@@xiaoka Is he saying that EV drivers are retarded but brilliant at the same time? I'm confused.
@@xiaokaEven for trucks?
@@xiaoka Special needs engine braking 🤣
Electric Viking - the TESLA Regen on semi is the PRIMARY braking system onboard.
there is NO JAKE brake system , which uses an Engine/Transmission.
and TESLA semi , also has a Traditional FRICTION breaks as a BACKUP System for Emergency STOP .
In Europe a truck driver can drives maximum during 4h30 (300kms/185 miles) and have a minimum of 45' of break. So perfect timing for Ultra Fast Charging. The network is then really needed.
Thunderfoot crying right now
Why you should never listen to a guy that self proclaims to be an expert but has nothing to show other then a clickbaity channel
Gates of course famously once said "you'll never need more than 640Mb of RAM).
I'm running with 32Gb currently...
640kb not mb. Also he technically never said that, but it's attributed to him everywhere.
@@TheRealMartin So it was - so long ago I'd forgotten. I am convinced he did say it, I was an avid reader of all things Computer back then, when it was 1st reported.
It’s all about use cases! Over the road truckers with fully loaded trailers, working in pairs who need to get cross country and back in a very short amount of time, especially when away from charging infrastructure, will be better off with a diesel truck.
But for at least half the local and regional trucks, 300-500 miles range is just fine.
Charging infrastructure and growing technology will destroy that logic and eventually I believe vehicle fuel will be outlawed, it will happen before the end of this century.
Freight companies have been crossing the country without sleepers for over 100 years. It started with the pony express. It lives on today. Fresh drivers are swapped into the trucks as required. Am sure they can swap out a truck to charge it too.
Our Electric Future
Bill always remember when to move over and take a back seat ! Nobody stays at the top and nobody lives forever! Sit back chill and give advice 😊
at about 6 minutes in Sam mentions a 1 gigawatt charger. That kind of charging requires a stainless vehicle, a clock tower, flux capacitor, & a well timed lightning bolt. Doctor Emmett Brown was able to charge 1.21 times that power in about 1 second 38 years ago but I think it will be several decades before Tesla or anyone else catches up to Doc Brown's technology.
Doc Brown did that in 1955, so that is about 68 years ago 😉
Sam is not a scientist and get a number of scientific terms wrong. Just work around the lack of scientific knowledge - he means 1Mw charging/ 3Mw charging.
🙃🙂 funneee
Gigawatt, megawatt, whatever. A watt is a measurement of amount of electricity, not rate of charging. Amperes would be the appropriate unit for charging rates.
@@alanjameson8664 kW is is a measure of power, kwh is a measure of energy, amp is a measure of current....... sigh
Because charging is at 240V, 110V, 400V, 800V then amps tells us not much ....
power = amps x volts - and that is the amount you need to charge your battery.
In the good old USA, trucking regulations allow, excepting some extraordinary situations, 14-hour shifts. Of those 14, 11 can be logged as Drive. (Per shift, a driver is granted 14 hours - maximum - to drive 11 - maximum.) Within the first eight hours logged as Drive, 30 minutes consecutive have to be logged as something else.
On a Day Cab, out-and-back, route, one need not stop - except for designated deliveries.
In a simple example, say one runs from a "home base" yard to a single delivery destination four hours away. Upon arrival, one can switch to OD-YM (On-duty: Yard Move). As long as one obeys that yard's limit, typically 10 mph, one will stay under the tractor's preprogrammed limit of 15 mph - which, if exceeded, will automatically switch the e-log to Drive. So, one parks the trailer in order to drop it and switches status to just plain On-duty...
Trailer is dropped and one is now ready to bobtail in search of the outbound trailer. One must absolutely switch one's status back to OD-YM, else the tractor's limit of five mph, for plain On-duty, will likely trip - and one's status will automatically switch to Drive. (If that happens, one must start over with the 30-minute mandate - or plan to stop somewhere for 30 minutes on the return leg.) So, hooking the next, outbound, trailer will necessitate, if one is fastidious, two more changes of duty status. As long as one stays focused and maintains consecutive duty statuses other than Drive for 30 minutes, one is good to go for the rest of the shift. One will only have seven of the original 11 hours left to drive. So, the 30-minute rule is moot for the remainder of the shift.
(When first introduced circa 2012, the 30 minutes were mandated to be 30 consecutive Off-Duty and /or Sleeper Berth minutes. Also, the eight hours started continuously counting down from the very start of one's shift - usually logged as 15 minutes On-duty: Pre-Trip. Now, the rule counts only the first cumulative eight hours of Drive time. So, after the first two or three hours, one can stop for 15 minutes Off-Duty - for this or that - and the eight-hour clock will pause until one is back to Drive status.)
All this is to say that the most efficient ~local~ operations will need mega-chargers at the home base.
On the other hand, regional and OTR drivers have to plan their trips to accommodate charging en route - or at the designated delivery stops - similar to the way it is for fuel stops.
Ideally, for trips that take longer than one day, one might run until the end of shift, park for the mandated 10-hour break, and plug in to charge while Off-duty. This, of course, presents a new logistical puzzle for truck stops - not to mention the investment and resources required to upgrade the power grid infrastructure.
Also, the rules can be changed to add more break time.
One small point, there are routes run with day cabs that do require a break. We ran a route that was 520 miles with a drop & hook at the half way mark. That only takes 15mins so the driver has to wait for another 15min before hitting the road again.
@@That-Guy_ Copy, good point. Those 520 miles are right at the outer limit of what range is presently available. A lot would depend on the weight, terrain, and weather. Tesla is always striving to improve efficiency. Before long, they will likely achieve 700+ for the higher price tier models. Or, perhaps the mega-chargers will become economical enough for carriers and customers to install one or two at drop yards? Then, a 10 minute top-up could assure completion of the return leg. That could be a productive way to use the extra 15 minutes.
@@michaelgraham1005
It was a light load, 8k lbs on a pup refer trailer.
The #1 advantage of electric trucks is worker health
What do you mean?
Diesel fuel and fumes are toxic , carcinogenic and so is the exhaust.😊
Everything above 1000 km in 24 hours is the capacity, our global traffic can work with. Thank you for these inspiring news, Sir !
European law limits weight to 40 tons. Fitting an electric battery reduces payload dramatically. Wake me up when Tesla solves that issue. Until then, this product is a niche sale.
@@jimpackard8059 Transporting corn chip and potato chip snack bags is a start at least.
@@jimpackard8059What is the cargo weight capacity?
@@jimpackard8059 Europe is the niche, less than 10% of the world. If it works everywhere else Europe will have to allow it or continue to flounder and become less and less relevant.
@@jimpackard8059Los camiones eléctricos pueden tarar 2.000 kg más, con lo que serían 42 toneladas.
A los que preguntan la carga máxima, mientras más ligero es la tractora y el semiremolque, más carga puede transportar.
Pero lo normal son 24 toneladas más 8 de la tractora y 8 del semiremolque, en total 40 toneladas en una tractora eléctrica podría llegar a pesar 10 toneladas.
Saludos
Yep, another no-brainer application for battery driven vehicles. Known distances that can be planned for, regulated breaks for the driver that allow top-ups, better torque up the hills, the motor turns into a dynamo on each downhill section. Inevitable success for Musk
You’re spot on Sam regen braking would be a huge safety benefit for trucks, so many horror stories of brakes failing on long hill descents and would be more effective than engine brakes today
you have never been in a truck have you?
No to Hydrogen
Why?
@@tcs07d
Do some research, you'll see it's not going to happen.
@@customsolutions7167 I was an engineer in the industry before family reason called me so I don't need research, so that's why I ask why?
@@tcs07d so I don't understand your sentence and what you are trying to say .. but there are plenty of videos showing that hydrogen is not going become a viable alternative to battery electric vehicles for the mass market...
Again do some research..
It's more expensive .. and the logistics don't work out with the danger of transportation.
I'll defer to the thousands of highly talented engineers at Tesla and their research that shows it is not the way to go for mass market vehicles.
@@customsolutions7167 I'm was stating that I worked with Hydrogen fuel cell vehicles and BEV first hand. I worked alongside this engineers you referred to and have called them out on their biases.
You talk about cost as if it is finite and absolute and if we as society did things based on cost there wouldn't be BEVs in the first place as they are more expensive, time consuming and empirically dangerous than that of ice vehicles. If we as society did thing based off of cost there wouldn't be ICE vehicles. If we did thing based off on cost I wouldn't be working at an operating solar site.
Logistics are expanding, I'm working now with energy companies to expand the use of hydrogen with in the natural gas turbines to improve, burn efficiency and emission reduction. So the logistic will improve.
To me the funny thing is you are stating the same exact things that ICE supporters said about BEV cars 10-15 years ago and look at where we are at now. So again I ask why? Give me your points, stop with the oh just do research response.
So you’re saying Bill us NOT a visionary?!? Agreed!
How so? It was due to HIS ideas about home computers that we have them...NOT Steve Jobs' version.
Sounds like someone's jealous...
I give Gates credit for software, but he has been dead wrong on many environmental issues. @@billcichoke2534
Bill Gates stole MS-DOS .. and never came up with anything on his own . Just capitalized on other people's ideas and work..
do some research ...
No Steve Jobs, no word, no Excel, No Microsoft@@billcichoke2534
I would say that commercial vehicles are even more important to electrify than personal vehicles. They have higher utilization rate, and in case of city buses and last mile delivery vehicles, they have a lot of stop and go's which EVs have a lot more higher efficiency than gas cars.
Yeah and not forgetting the massive amounts of pollution produced by diesel trucks, they are the worst offenders!
Love you show man -
gives me hope
you are correct: Hydrogen has it's place in airplanes, where energy density is critical, whereas electric is better for cars, where easy plug-in locations, uncomplicated, regen-braking, and economies of plunging battery prices are all very important factors. It's not one or the other, it's fitting each where it is best suited to the role.
Hydrogen in planes is not going to be viable unless some miracle way to store the fuel without cryogenics or massive pressure is somehow found. Energy density isn't the only metric that matters.
Even in aircraft battery technology isn't far off from being viable for commercial flight.
I forgot where I was but remember riding this train powered by hydrogen in Germany.
@@rogerfroud300well, it is. but there are two kinds of energy density: gravimetric, where hydrogen is great, and volumetric, where hydrogen is crap.
Hydrogen won't play a role in airplanes because battery technology is improving and will open up the energy density necessary to fly long distances.
fYI, in the US, you can drive 11 hours straight or in intervals and need to stop after 14 hours after the start of your shift regaerdless how your day went, after your 11 hours driving or 14 hours following the start of your shift for the day, you must be off duty for 10 hours before restarting the cycle.
It is staggering how often Bill Gates doesn't seem to know what he is talking about.
Biggest con man ever!
Bill thinks of himself as some kind of prodigy but he is not. Being in the right place at the right time is always a winning strategy. As for Microsoft's products, the entire linux ecosystem exists because their products are lousy and overpriced.
BG is following the way JB mind😂😂
Bill Gates was never a smart man. He was just lucky to be in the right place at the right time, and bought the operating system that launched his empire.
Have you ever read the story of how Gates got MS-DOS? When IBM’S first developer decided to go,surfing on demo day, Gates ran out and bought a system instead of writing one. He then showed it to IBM. Instead of buying it, IBM SAID THEY WOULD LEASE A COPY WITH EACH PC. Microsoft was born.
Cheers Sam
Hi Sam. David here from Canada. Great to see a video dedicated to the semi.
Hope you enjoyed it!
This week it was announced that all 19 hydrogen fueling stations in Denmark are being closed. There are practically no hydrogen cars or busses, but plenty of battery electric ones.
Also shell stations have closed hydrogen fuel in the UK.
Its not only Tesla, in Europe Designwerk and MAN are building E-trucks already.
There are so many different use scenarios for logistics anyways with different ranges, loads etc., that we will see there adoption fairly quickly in some usecases.
they are NOT HEAVY Haulers (82k ), and NOT Long Haul BEV semi.
like a TESLA.
@@markplott4820 Does Europe need heavy haulers or long haul types of vehicle in most cases? The larger European countries are only about 500 miles long. That's just half of California going north- south. Europe also has an amazing train system in place to move people and goods which the US seriously lacks. Seems like they have different needs then N. America.
Not surprised with Paccar the current 2023 Kenworth's are blowing motors with Kenworth not honouring the warranty as so many need replacements. I heard of one business bought 20 new Kenworth's and within 6 months ordered 20 new Cummins replacement motors. Cost for a new motor is $120,000.
Here's something you can bet on: within 5 years, there will be standardization of external battery hookups. IOW, the *trailer* will have a battery pack installed in it with it's own thermal management. Just connect it to the port on the tractor and you 2X the range at least.
No they won't, because a battery pack in the trailer to double the range would dramatically reduce the payload. Since a Tesla Semi can drive as far in a day as permitted by HOS regulations, including a battery top-off during the mandatory 30 minute break at 8 hours, and can recharge overnight, there's no real need for much additional range; and coming improvement in battery chemistry will increase range or payload or both.
@@BigBen621 An trailer battery would reduce the trailer capacity weight by 10% or less.
@@ohger1 Interesting claim. I'd love to see the calculations behind that. Oh, wait...
Here's mine. To "2X the range at least", you have to *more than* double the size of the batteries; because the new battery not only has to be the size of the original battery to double the range, but it has to have additional capacity to carry the weight of the additional battery. But let's ignore the "additional capacity to carry the weight of the additional battery", and just calculate the weight to be added to extend the range 2X. The Tesla Semi has a battery of around 900 kWh. The Tesla Model Y's battery, which is a good model, has 75 kWh, and weighs 1,400 lbs; so 18.7 lbs./kWh. Now we need to add another 900 kWh to double the range; that's 900 kWh x 18.7 lbs./kWh = 16,830 lbs. The payload of the Tesla Semi is about 43,000 lbs, so the battery weight alone to double the range would reduce the payload by almost 40%; and that's ignoring the extra battery weight to haul the extra battery weight. Now lets see your numbers.
@@BigBen621 It took you a WHOLE day and you got it all wrong... Hint: the extra range the supplemental battery has to supply is just *for* *the* *cargo*, not for the trailer and tractor which have all ready been accounted for in the range calculation. The weight of the trailer battery will be about 7500lbs. Now go away.
@@ohger1 So sorry I failed to meet your response demand. But in my defense, you didn't make it known. Here's what you do: at the end of every comment, state "Response demanded within 4 hours"-or whatever you decide. I'm sure folks would rather know, that risk your scorn by failing to meet your demands. I know I'm devastated by this.
You're certainly moving in the right direction. You started with a 10% loss of payload, which is about 4,300 lbs. Now you're conceding that no, it's actually 7,500 lbs., which is 17%. But you still have to get to 40%, and you're still a long way away from that.
You weren't strong in math and science, were you? Or maybe it's not your math that's weak, but your logic. Well, whichever, here's the thing; unless you're planning to disconnect the battery and let it drive itself, you're going to need a battery in the trailer that provides enough energy for another 500 miles *for the tractor, trailer and load.* Contrary to what you seem to be claiming, the range for the trailer and tractor are only accounted for *to 500 miles* in the range calculation. Because you have to bring the tractor along for the second 500 miles, it'll take the same energy as the first 500 miles, which is 900 kWh, or 16,830 lbs. To put it another way, let's say you start out running on the main, 900 kWh battery. At 500 miles, you slow to a halt with a depleted main battery; and connect the trailer battery. Since it will be moving the same weight the same 500 miles as the first 500 miles, what's your argument that it won't take the same 900 kWh? Anxiously waiting to hear!
If they are wrong about truck, maybe also for plains, plains are bigger and may use regan too at air and when landing so much power goes to heat...
If I am looking for expertise in the electric vehicle or trucking industry the last person I would think of is Bill Gates. Having said that if I was looking for a software of computer industry related solution, based on his record I could not trust him to give an unbiased or a truly scientific not profit focused or self interested answer, so again I would not ask him...
If I wanted advice on what to do I would ask him … just to know what not to do.
I'm just about to start at our local trucking school in Montreal, it's a 5 month long course. Really excited about the opportunity to drive an electric truck eventually, it just make sense !
That's Melbourne to Townsville. Wow
Afternoon mate
This is great for the trucking industry as the drive will be much more relaxed
Keep mentioning your lovely wife.
Makes her happy. ❤
Always!
Love it!
Viking, soooo much Videos.
Hydrogen is used in a fuel cell to improve the range of the battery of the FCEV. However the limiting factor is the volumetric density of hydrogen. To improve the range to equal that of a diesel truck you have to more than double the number of tanks, using up valuable cargo space. This is what everyone misses when they assume Hydrogen is a solution for long range anything. The average range of a FCEV truck today is around 300 plus miles (approx 4-500km). The Tesla Semi already seems to beat this at 400 plus miles. (Approx 6-700km).
Another minor problem is that right no, H2 costs about 7-10X what electricity for charging EVs.
Those hydrogen tanks are big and heavy in themselves, even when empty. Have you seen how little room is in that boat of a car called the Toyota Mirai? 😂
Sam its actually 4 and half hours ,before a legally mandated 45 minutes stop , in the Uk & EU
Sweet. Now let's work on Airplanes and Choppers!
As pleased as I am to hear you say this, I have one small caveat relative to the Pepsi operations here in California. Unlike the other states, California imposes a 55mph (88Kph) speed limit on vehicles towing, including all Semi's. This performance may not stand up in other markets where the distances are longer between depot and customer and those lower populations will mean lower profits per run.
Yes, either range or load will be lower in states with higher speed limits.
I think electric not ready for all situation. But!! There plenty of short range use case for electric semi/ truck.
@@falsch4761 Well, 400-500 miles isn't exactly "short range", but it isn't OTR or long haul either. But the principle is correct; for now, there are many tasks that can be done by diesels and not by the Tesla Semi. The number of these will decrease as battery and other technology improves, but it'll be decades before the transition to EVs is even mostly complete.
Is Tesla even looking at the long haul market? Elon said they were not a year or so ago. Since there was a large number of customers that run 500 miles or less, like Pepsi.
@@BigBen621- ‘Decades’ will be less than 25 yrs., there will be a few rare exceptions but not many. Battery tech in 25 yrs will be something we cannot envision now. The EV S curve is a lot steeper than anyone thought.
I think you are right about not needing hydrogen for trucking - we do need hydrogen in general for aviation, ocean freight, steel, cement, etc. I think hydrogen will come out to like 25% of total energy demand in a clean economy.
Sooner we replace those diesel trucks spewing out clouds of particulates the better
currently there is but a few such charging stations for truck across the country; which means these truck are limited in their operating range. The grid will have to be upgraded; hopefully funded by the user (not taxpayer). This may take up to a decade.
Yes, it took almost exactly a decade for Tesla to build a near-world-wide network of 50,000 Superchargers. I'm pretty sure they know how to build out a charging network,.
As a 45 year veteran mechanic I must say that electric vehicles have many advantages over ice and they are cool. Switching to electric vehicles too fast will cause major problems in society. Truth is it sucks to deal with charging today and it will only get worse. But luckily for USA we don't like electric cars too much.
Charging is getting worse ?
My dream truck
My revivifier said, "I know a guy who got loaded and tried to drive a Semi. Didn't go well..."
4 hour shift is less than 250 miles at a reasonable average highway speed. We just need more properly spaced superchargers. On the interstates, not at existing off highway car stops.
Thanks for raising the NACFE study. Very interesting.
However, the 1600miles is not contiguous. They got 2 days with 800miles, but these were not back to back. (At least my examination for 20 minutes of the Pepsi data.) It depends on whether the vehicle got a full charge and an extra one during the day. Then the truck was left empty at the end. Therefore, it couldn’t do 2x800miles per day.
Charge time was more like 3hrs to get fully charged.
So, yes they got 800miles on one day, but then only the rated 500miles the next day.
It’s a 500mile truck.
_However, the 1600miles is not contiguous. They got 2 days with 800miles, but these were not back to back._
_So, yes they got 800miles on one day, but then only the rated 500miles the next day._
I think you're looking at the wrong data. Truck 3 went 794 miles on day 2, and 806 miles on day 3. 794 plus 806 = 1,600, and the days *were* back to back. There may be other pairs of non-contiguous days when a truck went 800 miles in each day; but Truck 3 on day 2 and 3 absolutely did run 1,600 miles on two contiguous days.
They clearly used two drivers per day, to meet HOS regulations; typically a graveyard shift, and an evening shift. They typically did a full charge between driving shifts; one around midnight, and one again around noon. The charge *at a Megacharger* took about an hour to go from 0% to 80%, and another hour to go from 80% to about 96%.
Truck 3 started day 2 with a full charge, got a brief boost at about 4:00 AM, drove 245 more miles; and charged between shifts. The second driver took over around 3 PM, drove another 383 miles, and was down to 18% SOC at the end of the day.
On day 3, after a very short drive, Truck 3 charged to 97% in a little under 2 hours; drove 365 miles on about 83% charge, got a boost around 10:30 AM, and drove another 80 miles. The truck charged fully between shifts, and the second driver drove 335 miles, ending the day at 26% charge.
_Therefore, it couldn’t do 2x800miles per day._
Clearly, it could, and did. It seems likely you were either looking at the wrong truck, or the wrong days. Suggest you take another look.
@@BigBen621 ah, I see it now! Thanks!
Kudos to Tesla and Pepsi (Pepsi is from North Carolina by the by, my state). Volvo electric trucks (I think semis but not sure) are all over the UK I've heard anecdotally. Shorter range. Kudos to Volvo.
I'm in Scotland and can tell you Volvo semi's aren't "all over UK". In Scotland we have 2, that have arrived very recently and are part of a trial. I don't know the numbers for rest of UK, but I'm fairly certain there are very few EV semi's on the roads from any manufacturer.
@@229andymon Thanks for the reply. I heard it on the Electric YT channel out of London, England. I can't put the name or YT will delete this reply. So I may have misspoke. Maybe there are quite a few in London and environs.
@@dianewallace6064 Hi, there are many lighter EV trucks around, and buses, but the 44 ton class is still very much a rarity. On the other hand, we are seeing more and more projects being announced.
@@229andymon Yes, thank you, we are moving in the right direction I hope.
No, they are not all over the UK. We are not adopting this theory. In fact it was announced yesterday that private EV sales of EV cars are plummeting compared to last year
Bill talks hot smell air.
I do notice that the semi does have panels helping the airflow down the side of the cab away from the wheels, looking at the mirror placement and arms along with the curved front these make a lot of difference to overall wind resistance.
You make a great point about braking as some roads need an escape road for trucks with failing brakes.
*"the key thing is"* for USA Trucking lack of *"dwell time"* meaning not time between driver stops but time between service stops which are quite lengthy for a diesel truck. Also and this may sound minor but is not both hands are on the steering wheel for pure BEV trucking which is a *VAST* improvement for highway safety. Still nothing about Tesla's safety suite and whether active or not tho matters. *VERY* impressive activities going on at Giga-Texas this past week and going forward(Joe Tetgmyer TH-cam)
Actually I'm quite surprised, that anyone even regarded hydrogen for semis. Production of hydrogen wastes about 70% of power from the original input to the power actually put into motion - what makes it extremely nonprofitable.
So nice to see how everyone doubting EV trucks was wrong.
They are basically a huge water wagon. Delivering flavored water to the world.
11 hours driving, minimum 10 hours off-duty, 14 consecutive hour duty period, 60/70 hours in 7/8 days, 34-hour restart... after eight hours of driving you have to take a mandatory 30 minute break
I've known Gates for a long time, since his college days. He's a helluva poker player. Why did he disparage the Tesla Semi's? Could he because he has a very large SHORT position on Tesla's stock? You bet your ass :) Bill plays to win, at ANY cost...
It’s wonderful to hear that PepsiCo can now deliver CO2 around America much more efficiently.
@@23chngeit's called sarcasm 😊
My thought is that electric will grow as batteries improveand they are able to fill new use cases. For those who care 1.7kwh per mile is 19.7 Miles Per gallon Equiv , or aprox 31km per gallon (sorry don't feel like converting to liters per 100km). Diesels in the US get between 5 and 9 MPG with (guesstimate based on talking to some truckers and reading some articles and other materials, correct me if you have better data).
To be fair - the business case for hydrogen FCEV long haul trucks was always fairly good, but clearly the case for BEV trucks is much better than expected. Great outcome!
_the business case for hydrogen FCEV long haul trucks was always fairly good_
So true, if you ignore the 7X cost per mile of FCEV vs. BEV.
Have you seen the fake video Nicola put out with a hydrogen semi driving down hill .. 😲🤣
Hydrogen at $25 per kilo will never make any sense.
@@djbrak1434 Now $29 in San Diego!
The thing Gates cannot understand is why Teslas don't get bsod every time you change the radio station.
😂👍
Ah, good old Windows 🖥⌛🖱
What is bsod?
But yeah windows locked up all the time.
I remember one car company I spoke to a long time ago wanted to use a windows based computer to control the entire car eliminating the many smaller microcontrollers .. for cost .. I spit my coke a cola all over the table ..
Almost choked to death.
🤣🤣
There is a start-up company called Edison Motors that has a different take on electrifying logging truck. Their truck has a battery and electric axles, but also includes a diesel motor connected to a generator to recharge the batteries. This motor is smaller than a traditional truck engine and runs at a constant speed. It runs on demand so the truck can work all day without stopping at a charger, then recharge at night.
Tesla's entire reason for the Tesla Semi is to eliminate harmful emissions, including DPM, from trucking. Edison is free to try to sell these on the market; but they don't fit with Tesla's business plan.
Basically stealing the concept from diesel engine trains ... Old technology.. and still dirty...😢
@@customsolutions7167 But diesel locomotives don't have regenerative braking. According to the folks at Edison, driving the truck usually downhill after being loaded with logs, their truck will recover a lot of battery charge on the trip to the mill. I think they are planning on the truck running on batteries most of the day. But they are hoping to overcome the range anxiety keeping many truckers from embracing battery powered trucks. At least this is a small step away from diesel only trucks.
@@kencotton4645 and where did they get the Regen from braking ...stole idea from electric vehicles...
I like the Edison motors company and what they are doing.. but they are just incorporating others ideas and putting them into semi trucks . There market will not be big when bev semis become more plentiful
That’s why bill was a drop out.
Grid infrastructure has to change locating charging stations near main transmission lines where there is high voltage is one way.
It would make sense to build solar and wind plug megapack batteries as needed. This can make the grid more robust.
Yes and EV with two charging so it backs up the grid @@danharold3087
Trailer roof solar panels?
Electric All the Way
Right
Okay, but didn't Tesla stop production. Or does pepsi really buy 100 semi's a day? I only hear 'pepsi and tesla' since the launch of the delivery event almost a year ago. Isn't walmart using them or other big companies?
Tesla needs to replace its own 300 diesel Semis.
Range is all…
Not the max distance as such, but the freedom to charge when and where you want- not where you need.
So, a 3MW charger would be welcomed for those that can handle it.
At night-parkings, lots of 500kw would be sufficient…
3MW is a huge demand for a limited fleet.
Mate get ur facts right; billy boy has always been a muppet 😂
🤣🤣🤣
There was never a problem with the charging speed, is about the cost of the charging speed. Technologically we can charge each cell at the same time, and that one is a very fast charge, but the amount of energy makes necessary a megapack costing millions so... in some time this will be the standard and megapacks will be all around us.
Yeah if you need to fast charge a fleet of trucks at the same time you’re talking about the power draw of a small city. So buffer batteries built into the fast charging infrastructure will be a necessity.
I need to see about 5,000 of these trucks doing this all at one time. No one says that one truck can't do it on a pre-mapped route with the best chargers. They should have done this in the dead of winter. Electric vehicles typically can run 25 to 40% shorter range in the winter when it's very cold out. Since there's not 5,000 of these semis to drive down the road, do this instead. Have team drivers two per semi driver as far as they can legally for 3 days and see which one makes it farther.
Nah they don't lose as much range.. You can just heat them, since trucks batteries are so much higher capacity the effort required to heat them in % is much lower thus meaning a truck will lose much less range than a car on winter . .. you are applying small car logic where it doesnt really apply
_I need to see about 5,000 of these trucks doing this all at one time._
You *need* to see? Entitled much?
_ Have team drivers two per semi driver as far as they can legally for 3 days and see which one makes it farther._
Straw man argument. You apparently aren't aware that the Tesla Semi is a day cab, which isn't set up for team driving. DUH! Nobody's claiming that Tesla Semis can match diesel semis in long-haul, OTR and team driving applications. But keep in mind that diesels have been perfected over 130 years, while electric semis are in their infancy. Over time, Tesla Semis will be able to replace more and more diesel semis, as ranges and payload increase.
Need an updated movie “ Smokey and the bandit” ….and at the last minute they pull up to a mega-charger and there’s a long line 🤣
It wouldn't surprise me if Tesla - at some point - released a Long Range version of the Semi with a sleeper cab.
Nice
Thanks
Gotta do a legal Cannonball in a Tesla Semi fully loaded with Pepsi/Beer.
I have some trouble with 1 Mwatt chargers, but I'm not an engineer. My house suupply is only 50 Kwatts.
An example of a 1 Mwatt charger would be 1000 volts at 1000 amps. Or 500 volts at 2000 amps.
I'll have to check the electrical code to see what guage of wire that would require.
Those voltage and current levels are common in commercial electrical services. It is handled by using parallel conductors.
@@homebrewerstan : I was wondering if a licensed engineer would be required to plug them in. And the size of the plug. Maybe an ex- NFL to handle the wire.
Got to admit I was doubtful about electric artics. (Semis). My time driving them in the early 1980s made me more doubtful. But here we are. Goes to show experience can, sometimes, tempt the imagination to block possibilities needed to change things. Infrastructure to deliver the electric charge is a major issue not addressed fully here. "Tough on the grid". I should say so.
The 'tough on grid' thing could go either way. It may spur expansion to a better newer decentralized grid. I can envision solar and wind farms with mega packs along major highways. Not only juicing up EVs but pumping their surplus into the grid. Tesla is truly an energy company.
hydrogen trucks have regen brakes also, plus the truck is over 10,000LBS. lighter with longer range.
YUp but it uses what 4X the energy to move the truck when you go back to the electricity used to make the hydrogen.
Truckers will not like the cost of replacing the fuel cell.
Also look at the logistics of setting up refueling stations across the country. Most refueling is done very near the plants that make the hydrogen because it is very expensive and dangerous to transport it...that's just some of the problems no one is talking about here.
Ohh I cant wait to see it tested in the AUSTRALIAN OUTBACK!!!
And up NORTH in the ICY ROADS!
It is supposed to have a anti jackknife feature that manages the left and right drivers independently to keep the tractor straight. I would like to see that in action.
_AUSTRALIAN OUTBACK_
You may not have noticed that it's not being sold in Oz, perhaps for this reason?
_And up NORTH in the ICY ROADS!-
Tesla Semis will do better than diesels in snow and ice, for at least three reasons: first, a substantial portion of the weight of the tractor will be shifted back to the drive axles due to improved weight distribution of the batteries, increasing traction; second, the smooth application of torque by the electric motors, compared with transmissions shifting every few seconds, will mean less wheelspin; and third, the torque axle has independent motors on each wheel, allowing torque vectoring in limited traction situations.
Further, Tesla Semis will be much better able to tolerate being stranded by bad weather; because compared with diesel semis, the heat pump system can maintain battery and cab temperature with much less energy, allowing them to maintain comfortable conditions in the cab literally for a week or more.
@@BigBen621 That's what is expected. Expectation vs reality, it still needs to be tested in the field condition.
@@burdidoyburdigoy8134 It likely has. All cars are tested in arctic conditions prior to release, and the Tesla Semi would have been as well.
@@danharold3087perhaps, but once the tail starts wagging the dog its all over.
I think MB, Volvo and all American truck manufacturers will struggle to survive against Tesla, as their range and operating cost advantage are clearly better than any rival (and likely to get better). As it's an operational cost decision, Tesla will win out every time, the only constraint is supply (which will ramp massively over time). I can't imagine any operator wiuld choose diesel if they had the choice of a Tesla Semi.
The Tesla semi still has not announced payload and that is the most important factor
@@jimpackard8059cost for shipping is the most important factor
@@jimpackard8059 the video addresses the payload...
Why? Both Volvo and Scania is on it’s way to electrification and has delvired far more vehicles than Tesla. Also EU chargung standard is over 3MW
@@jimpackard8059 We seen the 500 mile run with the concrete barriers when the truck was announced. People who know the weight of trailers and these concrete casting worked it out. The hours of video are still on TH-cam.
could the semi drivetrain be put into a turboprop ? cost almost nothing to fly. even if you had only a few seats and short range and slower cruise, many new routes would be profitable imo.
Not sure if the drivetrain is anything special. The original plan was to use 4 Model 3 motors, I'm not sure if that changed during development
Electric planes are already in testing. They can fly 100-200 miles. The motor is the easy part. Propeller angles and battery security are what’s being tested. Electric motors can run at much higher speeds, which require new prop and wing designs.
Tesla Rv using the big truck would be awesome
I’ve been at the accident scene in minus 20 for over 8 hrs in a big rig, in such an emergency how are you to stay warm?Did you see Mercedes has a big rig capable of functioning in 110F so they have a new battery or modification, they drove it 300 or so miles in the Spanish desert.
Tesla Semis have a heat pump for cabin and battery heating, and can keep the cabin at a comfortable temperature for days. You can find several examples for Tesla cars with a brief search, and the Semis will use the same system.
Also… I just don’t understand why they don’t have slide out battery arrays that can be changed over, effectively making them refuelled in the time, If not quicker, than diesel
BATTERY Swap is too EXPENSIVE and Actually SLOWS Down PROGRESS.
its why TESLA Abandoned battery swap for superior SUPERCHARGERS .
NIO has battery swap, and is facing - $1.6 BILLION LOSS of Revenue. Jan - Jul 2023.
Meanwhile , TESLA has + $5.7 BILLION in Revenue , TESLA even BEAT all CHYNA Combined @ + $5.1 BILLION in Revenue .
TESLA now has a SUPERCHARGER Factory in Lathrop .
where they can INSTALL Superchargers in just ONE day.
Because charging is not really the problem people make it out to be.
BYD make concrete trucks that use a battery swap.😊
@@malcolmrickarby2313 - Battery swap is FAKE NEWS, overnight Charging to 100%on 240v is MORE Efficient.
@@malcolmrickarby2313 That too will go away as batteries and charging improve.
Unfortunately at 1.7kwh per Mile that works out to around £0.90 per mile on UK energy costs (53p/kwh Commercial and not overnight (£0.29/kwh = £0.49 per mile before we start using over 50kva).
Our diesel trucks running on £1.23 (ex VAT) are currently running at £0.568 per mile.
For us it wouldn't make much sense to switch (lack of infrastructure) but it's great to see how well it would work for distribution centres.
Your maths is completely wrong
You are paying £1.23 / litre of diesel = £5.60/ gallon .
Trucking parts site says a 33t truck can do about 8mpg, though of course bigger ones wont reach that.
That mean each mile = 70p = 560/8
I have no idea how you got your numbers but I recommend a quick maths course.
Next, you are not using correct numbers for electricity, you will find that many companies would be happy to sell you cheaper electric at night - at base load. I have no leverage as I am a single customer and I pay just 7p/unit at night, but I assume commercial rates will be negotiable depending on the size of your company.
It is clear that PM's Truss and Sunak dropped the baton on climate and air pollution progress. In the latter's case, he comes from the world of investment management, and fossil fuel companies make a point of paying big dividends with lots of lobbying dosh going to politicians and parties. The subsidies and tax breaks keep rolling for the same reasons around the world, so its hard to get a level playing field. The bottom line is that fossil fuel companies have managed to avoid paying a carbon tax for the climate and health damage that they case. But a semi rig is a great billboard for companies that want to project a corporate philosophy of environmental and human rights to clean air. People can see that haulage does not have to be polluting. And hey, there is opportunity for making money in new technology, ask Kodak and Nokia what it is like to be overtaken by progress.
NOPE, its LOWER than that.
TESLA installed Megachargers w/ MASSIVE Megapack batteries , that can Deliver 4.5 Mw power and are Charged with SOLAR at both Pepsico & Friti-Lay Facilites in CA.
Tesla also has the Battery Factory in NEVADA which has a MASSIVE solar Array + Megapack batteries + Megachargers.
For a technocrat to rule out something like this shows even he is not immune to ossify into an old mindset.
We will be in production in 2019...
But how can a person or company run that many miles in two days under any normal or very busy schedule?
It's done every day.
You never heard of shift work?
3MW charger.
That's a lot of power.
Hydrogen is stupid
And dangerous there's been reports of some Hydrogen stations exploding out of nowhere.
Roger that.
Many companies are producing electric trucks, including Kenworth!
For now we should focus on personal electric cars for towns to remove the polution inside the city , we might have huge charging issues in the near future if trucks have to pull 1mwh an hour just to charge one .
I believe they often pair them with battery packs
Bill Gates will never get it, he's also the person who said that computers will never need more than 640k. The only thing he does really well is exterminate competition.
Im looking forward to when they are autonomous and are half the size. Current truck sizes are crazy amd should be on rail , shame the government let rail go to shit and helped big oil. You know trails are 4 to 5 times more efficient.
It's fun to see so many other manufactures that were once dead-set against ev's to now playing catchup. They're either copying Tesla's vehicles, Tesla's infrastructure and/or wanting some sort of partnership.
No, it's sad to see how much money had been spent already on these things without really thinking about what would be needed to make them work. And Tesla isn't a disrupter, considering the fact that at least FOUR OTHER truck makers ALREADY had electric trucks on the road before the semi was even INTRODUCED.
@@billcichoke2534 No, it's funny HAHA
@Chris-ly8wt Yeah...but not because everyone wants to follow Tesla. Although the fact people THINK Tesla is somehow changing everything...now THAT'S funny.
I did that twice within 24hrs in the 90's and the 2000's.. using dirty diesel.