@@Denzelmet I don't know if you have a neurological condition, or a reading problem, but he didn't mean that the guy didn't die, he meant that as long people live and listen to his music, he lives through his music, figuratively.
@@aroonus1050 I am able to understand what he means, be sure. Maybe the one who should ask someone about his/her understanding problems is me? Since it's not a thing to understand the meant thing, I should be commented other comment this way for another reason that maybe you haven't thought, right?
There's at least one other really good video with the same tune and I think at least most of the same words. I will say I think this one and that one may well be the two best on TH-cam. ^___^
I saw Silly Wizard play in the late 70's - when they were a young and rather dashing bunch - hearing this played in a drunken student union was something else. With Outlander this has come back into my consciousness-
Great song! I could feel a lump in the throat and a tear in the eye about the nostalgic sentiments of the song and I' m from Glasgow, a city where the Jacobites were about as welcome as a fart in a diving suit. The ladies of Glasgow , who lived around Sauchiehall Street, would gather at the bottom of Scott Street and watch the Highlanders meandering up the steep hill returning to their various accomodations after a session in the hostelry. The ladies, trying hard to avert their gaze, but not quite managing, and having a clear view from the bottom of the hill to the bottoms of the Highlanders ( right up yer kilt}.The ladies enjoyed, Scotland did not ,highland clearances, deportation ,ban on tartan and bagpipes. It all happened a long ,long time ago, so it's time to move on and love your neighbour even if they happen to be English ! Peace and love.
Stop misleading charles edward stuarts army was protestant epispicial and a small perentage of roman catholic it was not about religion scotland and against england it was about the rightfull heir to the throne ❤@@mirknight
I believe that my class and I learned a children's version of this song, in elementary school. If memory serves, it went something like: "Step o'er to me weevil-y wheat, step o'er to me barley. Step o'er to me weevil-y wheat to bake a cake for Charlie." Thank you for sharing this!
Something very much like that one is in Laura Ingalls Wilder's books but I never did get to hear that one sung. I think what she quoted was this. "I don't want none of your weevily wheat, I don't want none of your barley, I want fine flour in half an hour to bake a cake for Charley." I don't know what tune it was sung to and did not know then which Charlie was probably meant (Laura probably didn't know which Charlie either). I knew it since elementary school age or even a bit younger but only the words she had quoted and not the tune to go with them. Much, much later I finally found out that almost every song with "Charlie" or "Charley" in it is really a song about Bonnie Prince Charlie and the 'Forty-five rebellion led by him. Whether it says so directly or not. Boy, that guy really gets around. 😉 Glad I saw your post. ^___^
@Samuel Slattery: I do believe that that is what they meant. ^___^ "And crown 👑 your rightful, lawful king, For who'll be king but Charlie." Exactly. That is the general idea. ^__^ 'Tis precisely so. ^___^
@@stephenrichmond917 Hanoverian Lies. Francis II, Duke of Bavaria is the rightful King of GREAT Britain through the TRUE line of the STUART DYNASTY. 😤👑Someone just has to, you know, convince him to press his claim or care about it in any way.🏰 /s monarchy is silly
Judson Lohr my ancestors stood with you; Stewart and Burnett; one of the lost generations now, never seen my Scotland 🏴 stuck in Australia on land where I don’t belong.
Really? Which ones? There are government rolls recording all the names of the dead and those captured, executed and paroled? They have surnames, place of birth and patronymics. Which ones were yours? Did they survive? Good for them if they did. Having more than one ancestor that survived who wasn't in French service was lucky. What were their names? I’m only asking because I’m so impressed. How long had they been in French Service if they lived and if so what part of Ireland were they from? Just asking. Because if you don’t have that information then that would be unusual. For someone that knows their ancestors were at Culloden. Or Drumossie moor. As your ancestors would have would called it. Especially seeing as Culloden is 4 miles from the field at Drumossie. If your ancestors fought at Culloden it was probably with a barmaid. There was no other fighting done in Culloden that day. The battle was well over by the time the Government troops got as far as Culloden.
@@misb :D oh my neighbours were never too pleased because in general I live a 'loud' life; music always on, playing instruments, video calling people everyday :') Have a very fond memory of blasting this song from a hotel room to have a music clash war type thing with someone playing some trap from another room :D
Approximately six years ago when I had just moved to a new apartment, at first it was as if my music and the neighbors' music were trying to outdo each other, but the next day (Sunday) theirs was very definitely louder. 😉 However, for my taste, Scottish and Irish music, played at *any* volume, absolutely wins every time. ^______^ Scotland and Ireland (and their music too of course) for absolutely ever. 🏴🏴🏴🏴🏴 ☘♥ 💙❤💜💙
There's an American connection too. Lt General Winfield Scott who fought against the British in 1812 and in Mexico, and ultimately served until the Civil War, was the son of a Culloden survivor... Those who supported Bonnie Prince Charlie were among the first to take up arms against the Crown in the 1770's as well...
Come through the heather, around him gather Ye're a' the welcomer early Around him cling wi' a' your kin For wha'll be King but Charlie? Come through the heather, around him gather Ye're a' the welcomer early And crown your rightfu' lawfu' King! For wha'll be King, but Charlie? The news frae Moidart cam' yestreen Will som gar mony ferlie For ships o' war hae just come in And landed Royal Charlie! Come through the heather, around him gather Ye're a' the welcomer early Around him cling wi' a' your kin For wha'll be King but Charlie? Come through the heather, around him gather Ye're a' the welcomer early And crown your rightfu' lawfu' King! For wha'll be King, but Charlie? The Highland clans, wi' sword in hand Frae John o'Groats to Airlie Ha'e to a man declar'd to stand Or fa' wi' Royal Charlie! Come through the heather, around him gather Ye're a' the welcomer early Around him cling wi' a' your kin For wha'll be King but Charlie? Come through the heather, around him gather Ye're a' the welcomer early Around him cling wi' a' your kin For wha'll be King but Charlie? Come through the heather, around him gather Ye're a' the welcomer early Around him cling wi' a' your kin For wha'll be King but Charlie? Come through the heather, around him gather Ye're a' the welcomer early Around him cling wi' a' your kin For wha'll be King but Charlie? The Lowlands a' baith great and sma' Wi' mony a lord and laird Hae' declar'd for Scotland's king, and law Spier ye what, but Charlie! Come through the heather, around him gather Ye're a' the welcomer early Around him cling wi' a' your kin For wha'll be King but Charlie? Come through the heather, around him gather Ye're a' the welcomer early And crown your rightfu' lawfu' King! For wha'll be King, but Charlie? Then here's a health to Charlie's cause An' be it complete an' early His very name our heart's bluid warms To arms for Royal Charlie! Come through the heather, around him gather Ye're a' the welcomer early Around him cling wi' a' your kin For wha'll be King but Charlie? Come through the heather, around him gather Ye're a' the welcomer early And crown your rightfu' lawfu' King! For wha'll be King, but Charlie? Come through the heather, around him gather Ye're a' the welcomer early Around him cling wi' a' your kin For wha'll be King but Charlie? Come through the heather, around him gather Ye're a' the welcomer early And crown your rightfu' lawfu' King! For wha'll be King, but Charlie?
@Gavin MacNeish Thank you. Does "You are a'' the welcomer early" mean: The earlier you come is the better ? ) Or - "You are one of the first comers, good for you." ? And - "spier ye what but Charlie!" ? Sorry for asking. And, of course, congratulations with your football team win !
"Yestreen" means "yesterday evening". Hope that helps. ^___^ Slightly difficult for American ears too but I started learning this song (from a different video) approximately five years ago, and learned some Scottish (Scots English and a little bit of Gaelic) words a long time ago too, so it is getting easier for me by now. ^___^
About "you are all the welcomer early": I think mostly the first one but perhaps it could be sort of both. ^___^ And who knew that the Highland Scots thought that there was such a word as "welcomer" in English? ^__^ (They already knew back *then* about that good old [*really* old ^___^] basic concept of "Is that a word? It is now." ^___^ And so, for that matter, did Shakespeare, even *before* their time. ^____^)
To the poster nh6music: Thank you so very much for finding this song. I am 1/4 Scottish by ancestry and love the music of Silly Wizard and Andy M. Stewart. Their version of this immortal Jacobite anthem is the best IMHO. Again, thank you for posting this!
I just realized that this tune is amazing similar to at least parts of "Jefferson and Liberty" (aka "Grobby O) (there are various versions on TH-cam; the fife and drum version is closest in tempo). My mother says it also goes by "Follow me up to Carlough (Carlow?)", or something like that. I'll have to look into it...
+justforever96 volkstuemliche Lieder haben haeufig bekannte Melodien die jeder kennt und auch mitsingen kann. deswegen kann es auf eine Melodie viele unterschiedliche Texte geben und niemand kennt den Originaltext
I didn't know that. Interesting. "Follow Me Up to Carlow" is also on here so I shall have to look into that sometime soon. Thank you for the interesting information. Much appreciated. ^___^
Come through the heather, around him gather Ye're a' the welcomer early Around him cling wi' a' your kin For wha'll be King but Charlie? Come through the heather, around him gather Come, Ronald, come Donald, come a' the gither And crown your rightfu' lawfu' King! For wha'll be King, but Charlie? The news frae Moidart cam' yestreen Will som gar mony ferlie For ships o' war hae just come in And landed Royal Charlie! The Highland clans, wi' sword in hand Frae John o'Groats to Airlie Ha'e to a man declar'd to stand Or fa' wi' Royal Charlie! Come through the heather, around him gather Ye're a' the welcomer early Around him cling wi' a' your kin For wha'll be King but Charlie? Come through the heather, around him gather Come, Ronald, come Donald, come a' the gither And crown your rightfu' lawfu' King! For wha'll be King, but Charlie? The Lowlands a' baith great and sma' Wi' mony a lord and laird Hae' declar'd for Scotland's king, and law Spier ye what, but Charlie! Come through the heather, around him gather Ye're a' the welcomer early Around him cling wi' a' your kin For wha'll be King but Charlie? Come through the heather, around him gather Ye're a' the welcomer early And crown your rightfu' lawfu' King! For wha'll be King, but Charlie? Then here's a health to Charlie's cause An' be it complete an' early His very name our heart's bluid warms To arms for Royal Charlie! Come through the heather, around him gather Ye're a' the welcomer early Around him cling wi' a' your kin For wha'll be King but Charlie? Come through the heather, around him gather Ye're a' the welcomer early And crown your rightfu' lawfu' King! For wha'll be King, but Charlie?
Forever ever. Don't forget the Church of England in Scotland though please (what eventually evolved into the Episcopal Church). Some of his followers were actually from that background too. Just wanted to let you know.
it happened and in other places but a way of life died at drumossie ,it did not fit the english[german ] ideas of the uk ruling classes we however survive macgregor despite them as my gggggggrandfather said gregalch gu brath
@grioghair macgrioghair (good name by the way): I think I just figured out what the Gaelic in your post meant. "Gregor the brave." Right? Like Eire/Erin or Alba, only Gregor. I was just going to ask what it meant when I think I figured it out for myself.
@@julistarling8382 Good try, but I think from other posts elsewhere it's nearer 'Clan Gregor For Ever.' Cf., the 'Saor Alba gu brach' to be found all over these threads, in the years leading up to the Scottish Parliament. Which I take to be a very reasonable _via media_ for Home Rule.
im living in Northern England but find Scotland's history thoroughly interesting, i'm glad Scotland is in Union with us, but i feel like it should be an equal union, even here in parts of England the entitled aristocrats in London forget about us!
The news from Moidart cam yestreen Will soon gar mony ferlie, For ships o war hae just come in And landed Royal Charlie. (Chorus) Come through the heather, around him gather, Ye're all the welcomer early; Around him cling with a your kin, For wha'll be King but Charlie? Come through the heather, around him gather Come Ronald, come Donald, come a thegither; And crown your rightfu lawfu King For wha'll be King but Charlie? The Highland clans with sword in hand Frae John o Groats tae Airlie Hae tae a man declared to stand Or fa wi Royal Charlie. The Lowlands a, both great an sma, Wi many's a lord and laird hae Declared for Scotia's King an Law, And spier ye wha, but Charlie. There's ne'er a lass in a the land But vows both late and early To man she'll neer give heart nor hand Wha wadna fecht fer Charlie. Then here's a health tae Charlie's cause, And be't complete and early; His very name our heart's bluid warms; Tae arms for Royal Charlie.
"yestreen"? It's LAST NICHT! And it's the news FAE Moidart. And it's THE ships of war. And it's around AND gather. And it's tae AYR, THEY. And it's FA' FER Royal CHERLIE.
Unfortunately (or fortunately, depending on your point of view), the Jacobites needed a much more able leader than Charlie if they were to have any hope of succeeding in their ultimate goal. They had one in Lord George Murray, but Charlie's ego was too inflated and he wouldn't listen to the former's much better judgement. The very slim silver lining that directly came out of the tragedy of Culloden was that Scotland was blessed with an outpouring of incredible music, but the romanticism surrounding the "Bonnie Prince" does a grave disservice to his inept leadership abilities and (more importantly) to the brave souls who needlessly laid down their lives in defence of his lost cause.
I was trying not to say that because I was not sure it was polite to say it here but I feel very much that way too. Loyal to the cause but good gracious they could have had a better leader and then maybe they could have gotten a bit farther. Really. Charlie's intentions were basically in the right place but the man just did *not* know very well what he was doing with the whole thing *and* he simply just would not listen (or at least, not enough) to advice from others who knew more. Hope no one minds me saying. Thank you for saying it first.
I remember "Silly Wizard" practising in Sandy Bell's, the Forrest Hill bar, Edinburgh in the early 70s. Wonderful days. My last visit to Edinburgh eight years ago was pretty dismal; taken over by louts. Decline and fall - not long to go. Tasmania. ☘👿
Yeah,this definitely is what the British people should be thinking. Like I know this is for a different Charles of an different linage but heck,I can not not think of Charles III when listening to this.
Top of the evening every one here!. In the middle of this song there's a little solo of accordion .... Is that solo a tune ? can I find the partiture of that Tune some where? I puted the sound in the slow mode, but there's lots of ornaments and I Kin nare get the simple line of the tune.... so Please Help, I realy love that little fast solo an' i think is a tune I whant to play ... :-)
I believe that you might find that that his ambition was to take the throne of the United Kingdom. Jacobite political support were on the long decline, and regular armies were improving, so many historians see the '45 as the last chance for them. Landing in England would have been risky, and it would have been harder to raise and train a rebel army before it would be crushed, even in areas that had sympathisers. Jacobite sentiment in Scotland had been holding up slightly better than in England, partly because of general dissatisfaction with the Act of Union. From what I have read, economic advantages to union were beginning to become noticeable, which helped erode antagonism to it Scotland.
Richard Lee As someone from an old Jacobite family I have to say that your analysis is correct. It was a last and foolhardy throw of the dice for which many paid with their lives, and in the end, a hiding to nothing. There was nothing romantic about it, it was a power grab, and we failed.
@@jamesoneill3922 It's important to "grab" once in a while if just to demonstrate that you care...or else, qui tacet consentire." That was Pearse's point.
@Richard Lee: Yes. They were marching toward London with the intention of taking London (for some reason the original poster seems to have forgotten to mention that interesting fact) as part of their campaign to win England. They turned back at Derby because they heard that the British troops were enormous like 10,000 strong (which was probably not true but just the same it was alarming) and the Jacobites did not have such a huge number and so they turned back. (They probably never did find out that the Brits did not really have such a huge number either.) I happened to find out on TH-cam in 2017 that Derby is one of the places where Jacobite reenactments are held. I hadn't ever really known that before, until I found a video of one. Charlie's plan was always to take over the throne of England (and Scotland along with it of course). He started in Scotland because (for a variety of reasons) support for him was very much greater there than in England. It was a better and safer place to start out in. Contrary to modern popular opinion, the Jacobite rebellion of 1745/46 was never really a war for Scottish independence or for Scottish independent rule, separate from England. The war was always for the British throne and it was really a war of succession. The Stuarts were the rightful kings in both England and Scotland, according to the Stuart supporters who were also called the Jacobites because of Charlie's father James. (James = Jacob so the followers of James were the Jacobites.) (When I was very young and didn't know that yet, I used to wonder why aren't they the Charles-ites.) As the song itself says, "Come through the heather, around and gather, come Ronald come Donald come all together, and crown your rightful, lawful king, for wha'll be king but Charlie." That's not just for Scotland. And as someone somewhere on TH-cam has said, "It's not a Scottish story" (it is though if you are Scottish) (what was meant though is that Bonnie Prince Charlie's own story was really more European than it was anything else). Er...meet the amateur historian here...me. 😉😜😘 (Sits down to take a break for a while, needing some rest after making that long speech. ^___^) Scotland forever evermore. 💙 🏴🏴🏴🏴
@James O'Neill: I still think that there was indeed something romantic about it anyway. Which is probably the main reason why I know so much of the history of it. And from it we got all these beautiful songs and stories. 💙 And I think that's what's good about it. The rebellion and its end were such a sad tragedy but the songs and the stories are so very lovely. It seems like (for us today anyway) maybe in the end it was all worth it after all. Scotland forever. 💙 🏴🏴🏴🏴🏴
The beginning is wrong. The Jacobites were primarily Scottish but had lots of Irish and a good bit of English support as well. They also weren’t trying to leave the UK, they were trying to restore the house of Stuart to the throne of Britain. Still great tho nonetheless.
nh6music His commanders were squabbling among each other and there was a lull in the press of the attack. They were about 50 miles out of London when a "spy" claimed a larger English force was preparing to march on their position. They withdrew and many of the highland clans returned home.
At the time that the jacobites were 50 miles from London there were two English armies in Britain. The duke of Cumberland's and another smaller force (Charlie had about 7000 men or more, atleast not more than 9000) Charlie thought he could handle that but his chiefs wanted to turn back and secure Scotland, While a few of them sided with Charlie for a direct march on London. Then an English spy told them there was an additional English army of 9000 men between them and London. And the most of the chiefs voted for a retreat back to Scotland.
+nh6music Government army, not "English army". The Jacobite rising was not about nationalism, but about restoring a Stuart absolutist monarchy, a monarchy by divine right rejected by the majority of English and Scottish people. The Jacobites started arguing amongst themselves and as you say, feared facing a Government army between them and London (which incidentally didn't exist). However, they turned back, mostly because they got cold feet about the size of their army and the decidedly cool reception they were getting. btw. There were also many English Jacobites. This had nothing to do with Scottish nationalism or independence, that is a modern misnomer.
As little as I know about Scottish history, from what I have seen and read it seems to me that Charles, and James before him, had the stronger claim to the throne. How was it that Mary and her Dutch-born husband were able to take the throne?
James wanted to force a foreign religion on his people, so they kicked him out. Very few people wanted to see a Jacobean restoration, and they didnt ahve the soldiers to force it.
Other characters like Napoleon probably beat him by a country mile (just look up the broadside ballads to start with). A few romantic Victorian songs is most of what Charles Edward Stuart got. He was a bit part player in history in reality, especially so in European or World history.
@Ggdivhjkjl: I think the same. ^___^ And there certainly are many. ^___^ Far more than I ever knew about before I found quite a lot of them on TH-cam in the last several years. There's a lot. Not all are on TH-cam either but a good many are. A few? Not so. Perhaps though there are only hundreds to Jesus's thousands but I think it is still a pretty good record. ^___^ Personally I have never known so many songs as that about Napoleon but it could be that I have just never really looked for them. And I do know that one of the old Scottish songs about Bonnie Prince Charlie and his men was eventually redone about the Highland Regiments who fought in the Napoleonic wars. ("Bonnie Laddie, Highland Laddie" is that one and there are so many, many variations of that here on TH-cam too. ^___^)
We're no awa' tae bide awa... with all this fine beveridge and loving lassies.. Speed bonnie boat like a bird on the wing Onward the sailors cry. Carry the lad that's born to be king Over the sea to Skye And dinna flee like a frichted bird... But English gold has been our bane - Such a parcel of rogues in a nation!
Bonnie Charlie's noo awa', Safely over the raging main, Many's the heart shall break in twa, Should he no' come back again. And wha'll be king but Charlie? ^___^ And also, wha' wadna fecht for Charlie? ^___^ Come over the water, dear Charlie, brave Charlie. ^___^ And for a slightly later generation: I want fine flour in half an hour to bake a cake for Charlie. ^___^ Etc. (Note: It is told that Robert Tannahill [one of the many old Scottish songwriters] did actually hear from his nursemaid when he was a small boy that she and her family baked bannocks for Charlie and his men. ^___^) I wonder is *that* where all the songs about "to bake a cake for Charlie" could have come from. 🤔 Or, that sort of thing, anyway.
Как-то в молодости был в Ирландии,как турист. Так вот,я бухал с ирландцами,с плохим знанием английского всё равно они меня понимали,было весело,душевные люди?
That is indeed funny. It's almost as funny as the Irish parody song about "The Orange and the Green" (sung to the tune of "The Wearing of the Green"). ("But I was smart because I'd play the fife or play the flute Depending where I was.") (Kid knew which side his bread was buttered on. 🧇🧇🧇 I mean, which *two* sides. That were in direct opposition to each other. 😉) You really should listen to it some one of these days. Just might remind you a bit of your family/families. ^___^
Bonnie Prince Charlie may have been beloved. But his lousy generalship and especially his disdain for logistics wasted the lives of many brave Highlanders and doomed the Jacobite cause.
Bonnie Prince Charlie, one of the greatest but failed hero's in British History! Fighting against insurmountable odds and installing a sense of courage, belief and identity in all of his followers! How different the world would be today if he had succeeded. Likely that America would have been a British colony for at least another century and would have more in common with France the Britain. In fact French would in all likelihood be the first language in America. It's also probable that World War 1 and World War 2 would never have taken place and the Communist Russia may never have been formed!
Wut? How would the Stuart family retaking the throne have caused the English American Colonies from rebelling? As well as France, and the World Wars? How could someone even make such a prediction?
h a Stuart King England & France would have been firm allies rather than warring rival. So the American revolution would never have had French support and in fact one might argue that the French would have governed the colonies without British opposition and the natural language of America would have been French not English!
"For every monarchy overthrown the sky becomes less brilliant, because it loses a star. A republic is ugliness set free." ~Anatole France, French author and poet (1844-1924)
Actually I am for the United Kingdom to stay united under a Jacobite/Stuart monarchy, or just in a more decentralized and traditionalist way than now , what do you think, is there any association that claims that, by minoritary that can be?
That's what the Jacobites and the Stuarts were (actually) all about, back then. Dunno if anyone is still interested in that variation today. Closest thing to it that we've got is that actually the present British royal family is still distantly related to the Stuarts, though closer related to the Hanoverian line.
There are no direct descendants of Charlie, that I know of anyway. He did have a few kids but I don't think any of them still have any descendants any more. Pity.
@@haroldgōdwinessunu That's why I want them to be next in line to the British throne, or become the royal family of an independent kingdom of Scotland. I'd be in favour of Scottish independence if it meant a Stuart restoration from where it was left off. Not some joke like a republic.
There's a lot of people arguing in the comment section of this one ... The supporters of the Stuarts were mostly the common people, and among them was mostly the ethnic groups (Highlanders, Irish, Welsh) who were predominantly Catholic and oppressed by the Hanoverian Monarchs and English Aristocracy (Looking at you Downton Abbey) ... all of which enjoyed the absolute power of being heads of their own church and the extra tax they could command from the common people at the Pulpit. When Bonnie Prince Charlie Marched from Scotland to Derby he was met with fearful Aristocrats, but cheering crowds of the farmers and townspeople. Most of the English Court was on the run to Hanover. It was only by well placed spies, misinformation, and inexperience in military that stopped England from becoming Stuart and Catholic once again.
Actually the common people of the Presbyterian lowland Scotland didn't support him for the most part, but some of the lowland aristocrats who had retained the Catholic faith did support him. The Welsh are mostly protestant and didn't support him.
I'm Canadian not Catholic and I know the way this Rebellion turned out was probably for the better but this song still stairs my blood! {Just to be clear I'm still very proud of my Scottish heritage.}
I'm Canadian too, Nova Scotian to be specific, baptised Catholic but not with the church anymore. As much as I owe my existence to the Clearances, I can't help but think that the world would probably be somewhat better off if the Jacobites had won, merely because the British Empire would've been curbed. Then again, there's no sure way of knowing.
I'm American I am sure if the Jacobites would've won we wouldn't be dealing with these left wing pricks. And Gods kingship on this earth would be established!
+Malcolm Sepulchre The clearances had nothing directly to do with the English, or the British Empire as such. If you look into it, then you will find that they were for the most part led by the very same "highland cheifs" that so many people seem to get romantic and misty eyed about. The clearances were about land and money, class interests and profit, not nationalism.
Cleared by 'highland chiefs' who had been anglicised as part of the Government's pacification policy post 1745.For the highlanders it would have far, far been if Charles Edward had listen to Lochiel and abandoned the Rising before it started.
What??! Everyone knows that there were English and Welsh and Irish Jacobites who dreamed of a Stuart revival = "The entire United Kingdom from Cornwall to to the Arran Isles, to Essex to the Orkneys and beyond"! Not just Scotland ! .........No one sings about our brave English, Irish and Welsh supporters! Fix that!
It is funny how Jacobitism got tied with Scottish nationalism when Bonnie Prince Charlie (and the rest of the Stuarts) didn't give two figs about the Scots and just saw them as a useful tool for their ambitions.
I am proud to be descended from Scots who lived on The Black Isle and settled in Nova Scotia after the American Revolution. Fishermen and schooner captains we were. On Georgia's Banks we made our living and to the sea we gave our lives. Forbes of Nova Scotia
They say that parting is such sweet sorrow. I love the new Outlander series. Bonnie Prince Charlie with his Hollywood soft hands. Back then I'm sure Bonnie Prince Charlie was combat ready. Tough as they come. My favorite song by these musicians is the Fields of Flanders. The reality of war. Sadness and the beauty of the living for friend and foe. The series Outlander like so much of Hollywood's portrayal as torture of nobility is so far off when this man rode in his vanguard and a "divine" act of the ambush party falling asleep with no sentries lost the Stuarts the war.
fraid not the truth is he was a polish speaking pisspot who couldnt even communicate with highland scots sorry but history is real not hollywoods version
The defeat outside Inverness led to the English king ordering the Highland Clearances. 240,000 men women and children were unloaded at Cape Fear North Carolina. They became the minutemen of the Revolution that had to fight against Indians, Tories, and the British Hessians. My ancestor, Arthur was hung by Major Ferguson, a renegade Scot they called Ferguson the day before the Battle of Kings Mountain and 800 Patriots of then thScotch and French ancestry, beat Ferguson's 1,100 Tories armed with Ferguson's breech loading rifle with could get off three shots to one man with a musket. The breech loading gun in the hands of 280 of the Patriots at Cowpens where 850 were facing 2, 200 British with 3 three pounder cannon. My ancestor and his two brothers were in the first line and told to lie in the grass, fire two shots at epaulets, reload, and run back to the second line of Marylanders, turn and fire point blank at the charging British. The battle began with a charge by the British Dragoons which took heavy losses. Then all ran back to the third line and it was hand to hand combat when a charge of 29 Patriot cavalry came from behind a hillock and it stunned Major Tarleton and his officers and they fled. Cornwallis was amazed at how such an inferior force could beat well-trained Hessian soldiers, but the Indians had taught them how to fight even better. My ancestor also fought at the Battle of New Orleans with his three sons. The British sent 2,000 Scots aimed at the center and nearly all died or were wounded so with 5,000 Americans and 5,000 British remaining, it was another victory for Scot Americans, but fought after the war was over.
The Clan Lairds made the clearances, everything you say is wrong. The majority of highlanders cleared by their lairds went to Canada and Australia and Glasgow. The clearances started in the early 1800s to remove people to make way for sheep as that made more money. Nobody cleared from Scotland was ever 'unloaded' in Carolina or any other US State
Malcolm Coghill, the first Hghland clearance came after the defeat of the Scots outside Inverness just after the 1745 French and British war. That was was over the French calling on the highlanders to put pressure on he British. They were chained andto break their spirit, and chained to the boats which the British sank just over the horizon to kill the Scots they hated. That is noted in America by American Scots. Australia was the second Highland clearances and different. 245,000 were sent to North Carolina and that is where the American Revolution was won after the huge losses at Charleston and Camden New Jersey. The biggest victory was Kings Mountain, October 5, 1780 the day after my ancestor, Arthur Patterson, was executed by British Major Patrick Ferguson, a renegade Scot.
Sorry, mate, Malcolm is right. Highland settlement in the Cape Fear valley started in the 1720s and 30s, primarily driven by economic forces. And the majority of Scottish settlers in North Carolina supported the Crown in the Revolution. In fact, Col. Allan Macdonald, the husband of Jacobite heroine Flora Macdonald, then living in Anson Co, NC, raised a Loyalist battalion of Highland expats and was defeated by Patriot forces in the Battle of Moore's Creek Bridge. Most of the Scots who supported the Revolution were Ulster Scots, originally from the Lowlands. See Duane Meyer's "The Highland Scots of North Carolina".
Thanks for the notes! One bad click, and I'm looking at grandaddy LONGSHANKS! Mark me, I'd be a JACKOBITE for sure., I fell out when Grant said, "STAND FAST" in Outlander. All Dad had to do was give me Mom's side-eye, boy howdy. I'm Oxfords, Brogues, Wellies and Mocs. And nobody's VAGUELY Scottish on their Granny's side. There's a blowback for not knowing that Grandad was really yelling "FLARA" not "Flora" when he called for his Flower of Scotland. Would you happened to know if the name Berry came from Ballindalloch? It seems the names were whittled down quite a bit. Women named daughters after themselves, so I have a tangle of kinsmen named GRANT. Dad was Grant-Blackwell and we get to Grant-Macpherson several different ways. Having folks from Kansas and Missouri, I didn't really know how we got out there before Dad's work took him back to DC area in the 50s. (Hidden Figures) It seems the first doctors came from cattle butchers, cowboys who raised Angus and Buffalo, chickens and hogs. I have a grandad who was drawn and quartered after being betrayed by his own brother! What a jerk. George McPherson-Grant got my attention. 1776-1837 BIRTH 1776 • Faquier, Virginia, United States DEATH 20 FEBRUARY 1837 • Scott,Harrison,Indiana,USA 3rd great-grandfather The Mason codes really are like they sang in HMS Pinafore! I even have some Porters. It was my parent's prom. Mom seems to outrank Dad by quite a bit! For all the curbs I've been kicked to, I'm FINALLY getting my records put together and found out, I'm MISSING since about 1981. House of Kent, Grant, etc and everybody expected the SPANISH INQUISITION! I really despise being called everything I've had to TOLERATE over the past 50 years.
Charles Edward Stuart was Catholic. Most of the Highland Clans fought on the side of the English King because he was Protestant. The Battle of Culloden is romanticized, but it was a matter of whether the Scots wanted to be Roman Catholic or Protestant.
Whilst the Jacobite Risings were partly the dynastic struggles of the Stuarts and Hanoverians, it was also a conflict between Catholicism and Protestantism, Highlands and Lowlands, England and the Celtic nations, France and the British, and the Tories vs the Whigs.
+Duke Stanford A good salad, mixed culture and policy, and blood as a sauce. Politics are playing, and a lots of idiots are dancing, fighting and killing each other with "patriotic" shouts....
***** Sorry, you're simply wrong and spouting assumptions and prejudices. Brittany does not have similar customs and social ideas to Scotland or Ireland, to any greater extent than they share them with England for instance. The use of language groups to try to tie down ethnicity is simply wrong-headed and unhistorical. In fact the DNA tests you rely on do not show what you claim. Talk of "nations" is modern thing, it is a product of the modern age. Scotland for instance was not a "nation" until quite recently historically and was made up of Brittonic peoples (speaking old Welsh), Anglo-saxons, Gaels, Picts, Norwegians (who settled in and ruled the isles), Danes etc ... reducing the whole of history to "celtic" and then claiming a magical link to the Bretons is simply silly.
Gotran Bluevein Well he was descended from the English Royal family via Henry VII which had a bit of Anglo-Saxon ancestry, however due to intermarriage Charlie was mainly Italian/Polish.
Gotran Bluevein Charlie was also descended from King David I of Scotland whose mother Queen/St. Margaret was Margaret of Wessex - a princess of the House of Wessex.
***** James II, a half French quarter Danish man who married an Italian? James III? A half Italian who was raised in France, married a polish woman and never spent more than a few weeks in Scotland? Id go so far to say Charlie was barely Stuart or Tudor at all.
Love Scots music and culture, so much like our own. That's why I will never be able to understand how the Scottish people rejected impedance when they voted on it.
Traditional Highland society was torn down not because rebellion - it was destroyed because landowners wanted to breed sheeps and they started to kick out peasants long before last Stuart rebellion and contiunue with that long after prince Charles died.
A sane voice on TH-cam :-D Yes, you are quite right, and it was a process mirrored in lowland Scotland and across Britain with the enclosures and the capitalist agricultural revolution. They turned feudal rights and responsibilities into tenancy and then kicked people off the land. Not that I'd defend the feudal clan system particularly, but what happened was for greed and profit.
I m from Serbia so I could be more objective- I know how hard is to talk about some historical topics if your relatives and ancestors were involved and even died in some historical events..After all I read and heard I just think that last Stuart rebellion really harmed Scotland because measures that Hanoverian goverment did but process of destructing traditional Highland society started in medieval times and lasted till 19 century. Its harthbreaking that Gaelic speaking people were kicked of from their homes ...but at least they fought against it. Like last samurai, they lost battle against modern world...But because they fought they will never be forgotten and people as me, thousands kilometers from Scotland are impressed with their fighting for freedom.It reminds me on fight of my own ancestors in hills of Bosnia and Montenegro against Turks. We also had clans and tribes and Highland culture and irony is that after we won we then truly lost old society and customs. :(
It was an invasion by Charles Edward Stewart on behalf of his father. His father had failed in the previous two uprisings, the 89 and the 15. He intended to claim the crown of Great Britain, not just Scotland.
+ruairí lamb fair enough. very romantic. But just consider that the english will inheret the empire and all its land which many scots fought and died for. if scotland where to succeed you would be a EU client state with less power than romania. also you are hardly subserviant to England. you have many advantages in the UK from tax relief to representaion in 2 parliments.
Yes. Under the true King Ireland would be better off in the UK, but not ruled by Userpers. The Stuarts were sent overthrown because they infringed on the rights of the English to persecute the Irish and Scottish.
Scottish Jacobite songs are very lyrical, melodic, stirring, romantic, and memorable songs. They're beautiful songs.
See "The Tidy Woman". They just added words to a much older, non-Jacobite, song
@@mirknightas u do. Thats all music is. Ppl stealing what they like an adding.
An a health to king James!
🦄⚔️🏴⚔️🦄
Hands down the best version of this song.
Agreed!
Silly Wizard was such a great band. RIP Andy and Phil.
RIP both Mr. Stewart and Mr. Cunningham.... as long as people exist and still listen to good music, you shall live "forever"
+EntropyFan No! What sad news! At least Mr. Stewart had Christmas before he passed away.
+Thalaranias deep sorrow indeed..
No, he died and will not live forever.
@@Denzelmet I don't know if you have a neurological condition, or a reading problem, but he didn't mean that the guy didn't die, he meant that as long people live and listen to his music, he lives through his music, figuratively.
@@aroonus1050 I am able to understand what he means, be sure. Maybe the one who should ask someone about his/her understanding problems is me?
Since it's not a thing to understand the meant thing, I should be commented other comment this way for another reason that maybe you haven't thought, right?
Keep comin back to this version ...... brill !
It's the best isn't it? Not entirely true to the original lyrics but it's the best tune.
There's at least one other really good video with the same tune and I think at least most of the same words.
I will say I think this one and that one may well be the two best on TH-cam. ^___^
I saw Silly Wizard play in the late 70's - when they were a young and rather dashing bunch - hearing this played in a drunken student union was something else. With Outlander this has come back into my consciousness-
The 70s? That's 50 years ago, time flies lol
It only took 277 years, but now Charlie is King, well a Charlie at least
Since he is from the Windsor House.
Do you believe that one day,some Stuart will comeback to the English throne?
@@OfutebolistaOF Charles Son William will be the first king with Stuart blood directly. This should appease Jacobites
Α bit more, than it took for the British empire to... FINALY BE NO MORE!
@@globe0147 he isn't a true jacobite unless he is a catholic
@@justinianthegreatandnerd6377 if he converts to catholicism he will not have the right to the throne.
So we should deal with it ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Brilliant video clip, very nicely conveys the spirits and feelings of the day.
Great song! I could feel a lump in the throat and a tear in the eye about the nostalgic sentiments of the song and I' m from Glasgow, a city where the Jacobites were about as welcome as a fart in a diving suit. The ladies of Glasgow , who lived around Sauchiehall Street, would gather at the bottom of Scott Street and watch the Highlanders meandering up the steep hill returning to their various accomodations after a session in the hostelry. The ladies, trying hard to avert their gaze, but not quite managing, and having a clear view from the bottom of the hill to the bottoms of the Highlanders ( right up yer kilt}.The ladies enjoyed, Scotland did not ,highland clearances, deportation ,ban on tartan and bagpipes. It all happened a long ,long time ago, so it's time to move on and love your neighbour even if they happen to be English ! Peace and love.
Given that the Jacobites were fine with burning or beheading pretty much anyone who spoke against the Roman Catholic church, I'm glad they lost.
Lowland Scots are not Scottish, the English bred them out, we never allowed them to take our women..
Stop misleading charles edward stuarts army was protestant epispicial and a small perentage of roman catholic it was not about religion scotland and against england it was about the rightfull heir to the throne ❤@@mirknight
Powerful and with the particular style very emotional
Forgot how good Silly Wizard were
I believe that my class and I learned a children's version of this song, in elementary school.
If memory serves, it went something like:
"Step o'er to me weevil-y wheat, step o'er to me barley.
Step o'er to me weevil-y wheat to bake a cake for Charlie."
Thank you for sharing this!
What kind of cake did you bake?
Something very much like that one is in Laura Ingalls Wilder's books but I never did get to hear that one sung.
I think what she quoted was this.
"I don't want none of your weevily wheat,
I don't want none of your barley,
I want fine flour in half an hour to bake a cake for Charley."
I don't know what tune it was sung to and did not know then which Charlie was probably meant (Laura probably didn't know which Charlie either).
I knew it since elementary school age or even a bit younger but only the words she had quoted and not the tune to go with them.
Much, much later I finally found out that almost every song with "Charlie" or "Charley" in it is really a song about Bonnie Prince Charlie and the 'Forty-five rebellion led by him.
Whether it says so directly or not.
Boy, that guy really gets around. 😉
Glad I saw your post. ^___^
the end of the song really grips at the feels tbh
I mean who could the king even be if not Royal Charlie? There's simply not an alternative.
Don't anybody say George!
@@Ggdivhjkjl NOOOOOOOOOO
@Samuel Slattery: I do believe that that is what they meant. ^___^
"And crown 👑 your rightful, lawful king,
For who'll be king but Charlie."
Exactly. That is the general idea. ^__^
'Tis precisely so. ^___^
Charles III is king. Next will be William V, followed by George VII.
@@stephenrichmond917 Hanoverian Lies. Francis II, Duke of Bavaria is the rightful King of GREAT Britain through the TRUE line of the STUART DYNASTY. 😤👑Someone just has to, you know, convince him to press his claim or care about it in any way.🏰 /s monarchy is silly
"Wha'll be King but Cherlie?"
My ancestors fought at Culloden.
Judson Lohr my ancestors stood with you; Stewart and Burnett; one of the lost generations now, never seen my Scotland 🏴 stuck in Australia on land where I don’t belong.
@@zoramavrinac2784 Scotland is an addiction. Please come back and regain your birthright as Scottish offspring.
On which side?
Cool
Really? Which ones? There are government rolls recording all the names of the dead and those captured, executed and paroled? They have surnames, place of birth and patronymics. Which ones were yours? Did they survive? Good for them if they did. Having more than one ancestor that survived who wasn't in French service was lucky. What were their names? I’m only asking because I’m so impressed. How long had they been in French Service if they lived and if so what part of Ireland were they from?
Just asking. Because if you don’t have that information then that would be unusual. For someone that knows their ancestors were at Culloden. Or Drumossie moor. As your ancestors would have would called it.
Especially seeing as Culloden is 4 miles from the field at Drumossie. If your ancestors fought at Culloden it was probably with a barmaid. There was no other fighting done in Culloden that day. The battle was well over by the time the Government troops got as far as Culloden.
my go to song when I want to blast something to shut up my neighbour's.
Love the video with all the text information. Amazing effects 😍
I wanna be your neighbour.
Not that you would need to shut me up but I'd love to hear that blasting!
@@misb :D oh my neighbours were never too pleased because in general I live a 'loud' life; music always on, playing instruments, video calling people everyday :')
Have a very fond memory of blasting this song from a hotel room to have a music clash war type thing with someone playing some trap from another room :D
Approximately six years ago when I had just moved to a new apartment, at first it was as if my music and the neighbors' music were trying to outdo each other, but the next day (Sunday) theirs was very definitely louder. 😉
However, for my taste, Scottish and Irish music, played at *any* volume, absolutely wins every time. ^______^
Scotland and Ireland (and their music too of course) for absolutely ever. 🏴🏴🏴🏴🏴 ☘♥ 💙❤💜💙
I would like to dedicate this to my sister you are one hell of a warrior....! From me and my great chimney sweep uncle … Hail from Wexford...
There's an American connection too. Lt General Winfield Scott who fought against the British in 1812 and in Mexico, and ultimately served until the Civil War, was the son of a Culloden survivor... Those who supported Bonnie Prince Charlie were among the first to take up arms against the Crown in the 1770's as well...
Their were far more ex Jacobites on the British side during the war of Independence.
War of independence was wrong
@@benmacdui9328correct ,Flora Mcdonald was married to a Britsh soldier and left America and returned to scotland
It was the Ulster Scots who took up arms against the crown ,many scots fought for the crown as they had been given land by the goverment
Who's still listening in 2020 in COVID-19 lockdown?
2021 now
2022.
It's now 2024, and I'm still listening.
Come through the heather, around him gather
Ye're a' the welcomer early
Around him cling wi' a' your kin
For wha'll be King but Charlie?
Come through the heather, around him gather
Ye're a' the welcomer early
And crown your rightfu' lawfu' King!
For wha'll be King, but Charlie?
The news frae Moidart cam' yestreen
Will som gar mony ferlie
For ships o' war hae just come in
And landed Royal Charlie!
Come through the heather, around him gather
Ye're a' the welcomer early
Around him cling wi' a' your kin
For wha'll be King but Charlie?
Come through the heather, around him gather
Ye're a' the welcomer early
And crown your rightfu' lawfu' King!
For wha'll be King, but Charlie?
The Highland clans, wi' sword in hand
Frae John o'Groats to Airlie
Ha'e to a man declar'd to stand
Or fa' wi' Royal Charlie!
Come through the heather, around him gather
Ye're a' the welcomer early
Around him cling wi' a' your kin
For wha'll be King but Charlie?
Come through the heather, around him gather
Ye're a' the welcomer early
Around him cling wi' a' your kin
For wha'll be King but Charlie?
Come through the heather, around him gather
Ye're a' the welcomer early
Around him cling wi' a' your kin
For wha'll be King but Charlie?
Come through the heather, around him gather
Ye're a' the welcomer early
Around him cling wi' a' your kin
For wha'll be King but Charlie?
The Lowlands a' baith great and sma'
Wi' mony a lord and laird
Hae' declar'd for Scotland's king, and law
Spier ye what, but Charlie!
Come through the heather, around him gather
Ye're a' the welcomer early
Around him cling wi' a' your kin
For wha'll be King but Charlie?
Come through the heather, around him gather
Ye're a' the welcomer early
And crown your rightfu' lawfu' King!
For wha'll be King, but Charlie?
Then here's a health to Charlie's cause
An' be it complete an' early
His very name our heart's bluid warms
To arms for Royal Charlie!
Come through the heather, around him gather
Ye're a' the welcomer early
Around him cling wi' a' your kin
For wha'll be King but Charlie?
Come through the heather, around him gather
Ye're a' the welcomer early
And crown your rightfu' lawfu' King!
For wha'll be King, but Charlie?
Come through the heather, around him gather
Ye're a' the welcomer early
Around him cling wi' a' your kin
For wha'll be King but Charlie?
Come through the heather, around him gather
Ye're a' the welcomer early
And crown your rightfu' lawfu' King!
For wha'll be King, but Charlie?
I hear "to crown" instead of "And crown". And there is something with "yestreen". ? Sounds more like "next"? Difficult for my Russian ears ), sorry.
@Gavin MacNeish Thank you. Does "You are a'' the welcomer early" mean: The earlier you come is the better ? ) Or - "You are one of the first comers, good for you." ? And - "spier ye what but Charlie!" ? Sorry for asking. And, of course, congratulations with your football team win !
"Yestreen" means "yesterday evening". Hope that helps. ^___^
Slightly difficult for American ears too but I started learning this song (from a different video) approximately five years ago, and learned some Scottish (Scots English and a little bit of Gaelic) words a long time ago too, so it is getting easier for me by now. ^___^
About "you are all the welcomer early": I think mostly the first one but perhaps it could be sort of both. ^___^
And who knew that the Highland Scots thought that there was such a word as "welcomer" in English? ^__^
(They already knew back *then* about that good old [*really* old ^___^] basic concept of "Is that a word? It is now." ^___^ And so, for that matter, did Shakespeare, even *before* their time. ^____^)
"Spier" I think means "know" or "guess" or something like that but I shall have to look it up now. Thank you for reminding me. ^____^
Charlie gonna be the king again, but he is Charlie III.
We already had us a King Charles III in Edinburgh Castle thank you very much.
If only I could like twice
no other version of this song comes close to this
The Corrie's Version was good
To the poster nh6music: Thank you so very much for finding this song. I am 1/4 Scottish by ancestry and love the music of Silly Wizard and Andy M. Stewart. Their version of this immortal Jacobite anthem is the best IMHO.
Again, thank you for posting this!
I feel the same way. ^___^
Proud to be part Scottish (and also part Irish).
I just realized that this tune is amazing similar to at least parts of "Jefferson and Liberty" (aka "Grobby O) (there are various versions on TH-cam; the fife and drum version is closest in tempo). My mother says it also goes by "Follow me up to Carlough (Carlow?)", or something like that. I'll have to look into it...
+justforever96 volkstuemliche Lieder haben haeufig bekannte Melodien die jeder kennt und auch mitsingen kann. deswegen kann es auf eine Melodie viele unterschiedliche Texte geben und niemand kennt den Originaltext
I didn't know that.
Interesting.
"Follow Me Up to Carlow" is also on here so I shall have to look into that sometime soon.
Thank you for the interesting information. Much appreciated. ^___^
Come through the heather, around him gather
Ye're a' the welcomer early
Around him cling wi' a' your kin
For wha'll be King but Charlie?
Come through the heather, around him gather
Come, Ronald, come Donald, come a' the gither
And crown your rightfu' lawfu' King!
For wha'll be King, but Charlie?
The news frae Moidart cam' yestreen
Will som gar mony ferlie
For ships o' war hae just come in
And landed Royal Charlie!
The Highland clans, wi' sword in hand
Frae John o'Groats to Airlie
Ha'e to a man declar'd to stand
Or fa' wi' Royal Charlie!
Come through the heather, around him gather
Ye're a' the welcomer early
Around him cling wi' a' your kin
For wha'll be King but Charlie?
Come through the heather, around him gather
Come, Ronald, come Donald, come a' the gither
And crown your rightfu' lawfu' King!
For wha'll be King, but Charlie?
The Lowlands a' baith great and sma'
Wi' mony a lord and laird
Hae' declar'd for Scotland's king, and law
Spier ye what, but Charlie!
Come through the heather, around him gather
Ye're a' the welcomer early
Around him cling wi' a' your kin
For wha'll be King but Charlie?
Come through the heather, around him gather
Ye're a' the welcomer early
And crown your rightfu' lawfu' King!
For wha'll be King, but Charlie?
Then here's a health to Charlie's cause
An' be it complete an' early
His very name our heart's bluid warms
To arms for Royal Charlie!
Come through the heather, around him gather
Ye're a' the welcomer early
Around him cling wi' a' your kin
For wha'll be King but Charlie?
Come through the heather, around him gather
Ye're a' the welcomer early
And crown your rightfu' lawfu' King!
For wha'll be King, but Charlie?
My mother's anscestors were Jacobites exiled to Virginia ( Hume). This song definitely stirs me!
On ye go
Long live Bonnie Prince, Scotia, and Catholicism. Proud to have Scottish ancestry!
🖒🖒
Forever ever.
Don't forget the Church of England in Scotland though please (what eventually evolved into the Episcopal Church).
Some of his followers were actually from that background too.
Just wanted to let you know.
This song is how I feel!
Lovely thanks so sad even today
Stirs my heart, proud of my ancestry. Could have done without seeing the slaughter at Culloden.
it happened and in other places but a way of life died at drumossie ,it did not fit the english[german ] ideas of the uk ruling classes we however survive macgregor despite them as my gggggggrandfather said gregalch gu brath
@Morag MacGregor: Sorry about the slaughter. 😥 It did happen though. Hurts my heart too. 😥
@grioghair macgrioghair (good name by the way):
I think I just figured out what the Gaelic in your post meant.
"Gregor the brave."
Right?
Like Eire/Erin or Alba, only Gregor.
I was just going to ask what it meant when I think I figured it out for myself.
@@julistarling8382 Good try, but I think from other posts elsewhere it's nearer 'Clan Gregor For Ever.' Cf., the 'Saor Alba gu brach' to be found all over these threads, in the years leading up to the Scottish Parliament. Which I take to be a very reasonable _via media_ for Home Rule.
The Jacobite still lives , may oor sword sma an Lang dra bleed
Pict_of_the_north WE CRY REPUBLIC AND ALLEGIANCE TAE NAE CROUN
Bellissima
Cherlie our ROYAL CHERLIE WILL BE KING. I WOULD GIVE MY LIFE FOR OUR CHERLIE, ALL WHO STAND AGAINST ARE TRAITOR TO THE RIGHTFUL KING. MAKE HIM KING
The best version of this song who is hete in 2024????
Nice work :)
im living in Northern England but find Scotland's history thoroughly interesting, i'm glad Scotland is in Union with us, but i feel like it should be an equal union, even here in parts of England the entitled aristocrats in London forget about us!
I'm in America but I feel somewhat similar about it all and I know what you're saying.
The news from Moidart cam yestreen
Will soon gar mony ferlie,
For ships o war hae just come in
And landed Royal Charlie.
(Chorus)
Come through the heather, around him gather,
Ye're all the welcomer early;
Around him cling with a your kin,
For wha'll be King but Charlie?
Come through the heather, around him gather
Come Ronald, come Donald, come a thegither;
And crown your rightfu lawfu King
For wha'll be King but Charlie?
The Highland clans with sword in hand
Frae John o Groats tae Airlie
Hae tae a man declared to stand
Or fa wi Royal Charlie.
The Lowlands a, both great an sma,
Wi many's a lord and laird hae
Declared for Scotia's King an Law,
And spier ye wha, but Charlie.
There's ne'er a lass in a the land
But vows both late and early
To man she'll neer give heart nor hand
Wha wadna fecht fer Charlie.
Then here's a health tae Charlie's cause,
And be't complete and early;
His very name our heart's bluid warms;
Tae arms for Royal Charlie.
Iron Duke Scotland Forever
"yestreen"? It's LAST NICHT! And it's the news FAE Moidart. And it's THE ships of war. And it's around AND gather. And it's tae AYR, THEY. And it's FA' FER Royal CHERLIE.
@@daragildea7434 for king cherlie
Unfortunately (or fortunately, depending on your point of view), the Jacobites needed a much more able leader than Charlie if they were to have any hope of succeeding in their ultimate goal. They had one in Lord George Murray, but Charlie's ego was too inflated and he wouldn't listen to the former's much better judgement. The very slim silver lining that directly came out of the tragedy of Culloden was that Scotland was blessed with an outpouring of incredible music, but the romanticism surrounding the "Bonnie Prince" does a grave disservice to his inept leadership abilities and (more importantly) to the brave souls who needlessly laid down their lives in defence of his lost cause.
I was trying not to say that because I was not sure it was polite to say it here but I feel very much that way too.
Loyal to the cause but good gracious they could have had a better leader and then maybe they could have gotten a bit farther.
Really.
Charlie's intentions were basically in the right place but the man just did *not* know very well what he was doing with the whole thing *and* he simply just would not listen (or at least, not enough) to advice from others who knew more.
Hope no one minds me saying.
Thank you for saying it first.
Brilliant!
Wha’ll be King but Charlie, the Silly Wizard is the best version, can’t find on itunes or Spotify
Agreed, probably some licensing issue.
Absolute banger
God Save the King, Charles III
Wrong cherlie, that's the protty king
I remember "Silly Wizard" practising in Sandy Bell's, the Forrest Hill bar, Edinburgh in the early 70s. Wonderful days. My last visit to Edinburgh eight years ago was pretty dismal; taken over by louts. Decline and fall - not long to go.
Tasmania.
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Marvelous!
Great Song!
This song hits different now that Charles III is king.
Yeah,this definitely is what the British people should be thinking.
Like I know this is for a different Charles of an different linage but heck,I can not not think of Charles III when listening to this.
@@JacobSnell1998 Charles-Edward Stuart never had children.
@@JacobSnell1998 Also there is a FitzJames dynasty for one of those James'
@@JacobSnell1998 Unfortunately all the heirs are foreign to Scotland and Franz doesn't want to rule outside of Bavaria.
@@haroldgōdwinessunu Yeah, it was founded by the son (illegitimate) of James VII.
Top of the evening every one here!.
In the middle of this song there's a little solo of accordion ....
Is that solo a tune ? can I find the partiture of that Tune some where?
I puted the sound in the slow mode, but there's lots of ornaments and I Kin nare get the simple line of the tune.... so Please Help, I realy love that little fast solo an' i think is a tune I whant to play ... :-)
david scagnetti it’s an Irish march called O’Neill’s Cavalry March. Find it here. th-cam.com/video/09YO0a7ePAU/w-d-xo.html
This is fantastic
I believe that you might find that that his ambition was to take the throne of the United Kingdom. Jacobite political support were on the long decline, and regular armies were improving, so many historians see the '45 as the last chance for them. Landing in England would have been risky, and it would have been harder to raise and train a rebel army before it would be crushed, even in areas that had sympathisers. Jacobite sentiment in Scotland had been holding up slightly better than in England, partly because of general dissatisfaction with the Act of Union. From what I have read, economic advantages to union were beginning to become noticeable, which helped erode antagonism to it Scotland.
Richard Lee As someone from an old Jacobite family I have to say that your analysis is correct. It was a last and foolhardy throw of the dice for which many paid with their lives, and in the end, a hiding to nothing. There was nothing romantic about it, it was a power grab, and we failed.
@@jamesoneill3922 It's important to "grab" once in a while if just to demonstrate that you care...or else, qui tacet consentire." That was Pearse's point.
@@frankbolger3969 fair point
@Richard Lee:
Yes.
They were marching toward London with the intention of taking London (for some reason the original poster seems to have forgotten to mention that interesting fact) as part of their campaign to win England. They turned back at Derby because they heard that the British troops were enormous like 10,000 strong (which was probably not true but just the same it was alarming) and the Jacobites did not have such a huge number and so they turned back. (They probably never did find out that the Brits did not really have such a huge number either.)
I happened to find out on TH-cam in 2017 that Derby is one of the places where Jacobite reenactments are held. I hadn't ever really known that before, until I found a video of one.
Charlie's plan was always to take over the throne of England (and Scotland along with it of course).
He started in Scotland because (for a variety of reasons) support for him was very much greater there than in England. It was a better and safer place to start out in.
Contrary to modern popular opinion, the Jacobite rebellion of 1745/46 was never really a war for Scottish independence or for Scottish independent rule, separate from England. The war was always for the British throne and it was really a war of succession. The Stuarts were the rightful kings in both England and Scotland, according to the Stuart supporters who were also called the Jacobites because of Charlie's father James. (James = Jacob so the followers of James were the Jacobites.) (When I was very young and didn't know that yet, I used to wonder why aren't they the Charles-ites.)
As the song itself says, "Come through the heather, around and gather, come Ronald come Donald come all together, and crown your rightful, lawful king, for wha'll be king but Charlie."
That's not just for Scotland.
And as someone somewhere on TH-cam has said, "It's not a Scottish story" (it is though if you are Scottish) (what was meant though is that Bonnie Prince Charlie's own story was really more European than it was anything else).
Er...meet the amateur historian here...me. 😉😜😘
(Sits down to take a break for a while, needing some rest after making that long speech. ^___^)
Scotland forever evermore. 💙
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@James O'Neill: I still think that there was indeed something romantic about it anyway.
Which is probably the main reason why I know so much of the history of it.
And from it we got all these beautiful songs and stories. 💙
And I think that's what's good about it.
The rebellion and its end were such a sad tragedy but the songs and the stories are so very lovely.
It seems like (for us today anyway) maybe in the end it was all worth it after all.
Scotland forever. 💙
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This song is actually called THE NEWS FROM MOIDART, in point of fact.
But it's also popularly called "Wha'll Be King But Charlie."
The beginning is wrong. The Jacobites were primarily Scottish but had lots of Irish and a good bit of English support as well. They also weren’t trying to leave the UK, they were trying to restore the house of Stuart to the throne of Britain. Still great tho nonetheless.
I think it was bigger in Ireland and then came Scotland for support
Why didnt Charlie avoid the delay at Prestonpans and lead a lightning spearhead advance straight for London!
From memory I think his Commanders were worried about rumours of a large English army in London - but someone with more knowledge may correct me ;
nh6music His commanders were squabbling among each other and there was a lull in the press of the attack. They were about 50 miles out of London when a "spy" claimed a larger English force was preparing to march on their position. They withdrew and many of the highland clans returned home.
At the time that the jacobites were 50 miles from London there were two English armies in Britain.
The duke of Cumberland's and another smaller force
(Charlie had about 7000 men or more, atleast not more than 9000)
Charlie thought he could handle that but his chiefs wanted to turn back and secure Scotland,
While a few of them sided with Charlie for a direct march on London.
Then an English spy told them there was an additional English army of 9000 men between them and London.
And the most of the chiefs voted for a retreat back to Scotland.
+acerb45666555 because he was either drunk or seducing one of his followers daughter or sister. He wasn't worth the loyalty shown to him
+nh6music
Government army, not "English army".
The Jacobite rising was not about nationalism, but about restoring a Stuart absolutist monarchy, a monarchy by divine right rejected by the majority of English and Scottish people.
The Jacobites started arguing amongst themselves and as you say, feared facing a Government army between them and London (which incidentally didn't exist).
However, they turned back, mostly because they got cold feet about the size of their army and the decidedly cool reception they were getting.
btw. There were also many English Jacobites. This had nothing to do with Scottish nationalism or independence, that is a modern misnomer.
As little as I know about Scottish history, from what I have seen and read it seems to me that Charles, and James before him, had the stronger claim to the throne. How was it that Mary and her Dutch-born husband were able to take the throne?
Protestant propaganda, a big Dutch army, and James fleeing when he could have easily raised another army
James wanted to force a foreign religion on his people, so they kicked him out. Very few people wanted to see a Jacobean restoration, and they didnt ahve the soldiers to force it.
@@blob22201 James Was Catholic, His three Kingdoms each had Different majority religions
I have been told that there are more songs written/sung about Bonnie Prince Charlie than any other historical figure, if true quite the legacy.
Other characters like Napoleon probably beat him by a country mile (just look up the broadside ballads to start with). A few romantic Victorian songs is most of what Charles Edward Stuart got. He was a bit part player in history in reality, especially so in European or World history.
Jesus Christ would have him beat by a country mile but if you mean any other Scottish figure then you could be right.
@Ggdivhjkjl: I think the same. ^___^
And there certainly are many. ^___^
Far more than I ever knew about before I found quite a lot of them on TH-cam in the last several years.
There's a lot.
Not all are on TH-cam either but a good many are.
A few? Not so.
Perhaps though there are only hundreds to Jesus's thousands but I think it is still a pretty good record. ^___^
Personally I have never known so many songs as that about Napoleon but it could be that I have just never really looked for them.
And I do know that one of the old Scottish songs about Bonnie Prince Charlie and his men was eventually redone about the Highland Regiments who fought in the Napoleonic wars.
("Bonnie Laddie, Highland Laddie" is that one and there are so many, many variations of that here on TH-cam too. ^___^)
So good, Бога ми!
*Hail to the Jacobites and their cause!* Virescit Vulnere Virtus!
We're no awa' tae bide awa...
with all this fine beveridge and loving lassies..
Speed bonnie boat like a bird on the wing
Onward the sailors cry.
Carry the lad that's born to be king
Over the sea to Skye
And dinna flee like a frichted bird...
But English gold has been our bane -
Such a parcel of rogues in a nation!
And all the blue bonnets were over the border and we didn't know where had our bonnie highland laddie gone.
💙❤💜💖
Bonnie Charlie's noo awa',
Safely over the raging main,
Many's the heart shall break in twa,
Should he no' come back again.
And wha'll be king but Charlie? ^___^
And also, wha' wadna fecht for Charlie? ^___^
Come over the water, dear Charlie, brave Charlie. ^___^
And for a slightly later generation:
I want fine flour in half an hour to bake a cake for Charlie. ^___^
Etc.
(Note: It is told that Robert Tannahill [one of the many old Scottish songwriters] did actually hear from his nursemaid when he was a small boy that she and her family baked bannocks for Charlie and his men. ^___^)
I wonder is *that* where all the songs about "to bake a cake for Charlie" could have come from. 🤔
Or, that sort of thing, anyway.
Songs and stories that help us learn history. ^____^
Bravo to them. 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
Awesome
Как-то в молодости был в Ирландии,как турист. Так вот,я бухал с ирландцами,с плохим знанием английского всё равно они меня понимали,было весело,душевные люди?
Wizard ❤
As a Scot born American, I feel this song, especially because I love history.
You're not Scottish, you're american
3:55 / 4:53 all you hear is "pls focus, we're gonna kill him"
Shall we toast the king tonight? 💮
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It's funny really.
I come from two clans, one hated the Jacobites and the other was one if the most loyal followers!
That is indeed funny.
It's almost as funny as the Irish parody song about "The Orange and the Green" (sung to the tune of "The Wearing of the Green").
("But I was smart because
I'd play the fife or play the flute
Depending where I was.")
(Kid knew which side his bread was buttered on. 🧇🧇🧇 I mean, which *two* sides. That were in direct opposition to each other. 😉)
You really should listen to it some one of these days. Just might remind you a bit of your family/families. ^___^
It has a similar tune than the Irish song "Téir abhaile riú"
Bonnie Prince Charlie may have been beloved. But his lousy generalship and especially his disdain for logistics wasted the lives of many brave Highlanders and doomed the Jacobite cause.
Bonnie Prince Charlie, one of the greatest but failed hero's in British History! Fighting against insurmountable odds and installing a sense of courage, belief and identity in all of his followers! How different the world would be today if he had succeeded. Likely that America would have been a British colony for at least another century and would have more in common with France the Britain. In fact French would in all likelihood be the first language in America. It's also probable that World War 1 and World War 2 would never have taken place and the Communist Russia may never have been formed!
Wut? How would the Stuart family retaking the throne have caused the English American Colonies from rebelling? As well as France, and the World Wars? How could someone even make such a prediction?
h a Stuart King England & France would have been firm allies rather than warring rival. So the American revolution would never have had French support and in fact one might argue that the French would have governed the colonies without British opposition and the natural language of America would have been French not English!
IAmTheWoodenDoors the only reson for the usa won the war was becuse of france
Satakarnak Remember that Spain, too, gave much support to the American cause. The Spanish didn't like the English very much, either.
Stephen Sczurek Aye ....... who DOES like ENGLAND !! ??????
"For every monarchy overthrown the sky becomes less brilliant, because it loses a star. A republic is ugliness set free."
~Anatole France, French author and poet (1844-1924)
Robert Burns - Ye Jacobites By Name [Ian Bruce]
To hell with Burns that republican lowland traitor!
+Nate Nobile
Uh, I know I'm asking this after 2 years, but why do you hate Burns?
Actually I am for the United Kingdom to stay united under a Jacobite/Stuart monarchy, or just in a more decentralized and traditionalist way than now , what do you think, is there any association that claims that, by minoritary that can be?
That's what the Jacobites and the Stuarts were (actually) all about, back then.
Dunno if anyone is still interested in that variation today.
Closest thing to it that we've got is that actually the present British royal family is still distantly related to the Stuarts, though closer related to the Hanoverian line.
There are no direct descendants of Charlie, that I know of anyway.
He did have a few kids but I don't think any of them still have any descendants any more.
Pity.
@@julistarling8382 No need to bring back them. The current monarchy is good plus related to them.
Charlie may be gone, but at least there's a spanish noble family called Fitzjames who are direct descendants of one of his big half brothers.
And they have an actual title, unlike other Jacobite claimants:
@@haroldgōdwinessunu
That's why I want them to be next in line to the British throne, or become the royal family of an independent kingdom of Scotland.
I'd be in favour of Scottish independence if it meant a Stuart restoration from where it was left off. Not some joke like a republic.
@@seanturner1197 As an American, it would also bring stability here in the US.
There's a lot of people arguing in the comment section of this one ...
The supporters of the Stuarts were mostly the common people, and among them was mostly the ethnic groups (Highlanders, Irish, Welsh) who were predominantly Catholic and oppressed by the Hanoverian Monarchs and English Aristocracy (Looking at you Downton Abbey) ... all of which enjoyed the absolute power of being heads of their own church and the extra tax they could command from the common people at the Pulpit.
When Bonnie Prince Charlie Marched from Scotland to Derby he was met with fearful Aristocrats, but cheering crowds of the farmers and townspeople. Most of the English Court was on the run to Hanover. It was only by well placed spies, misinformation, and inexperience in military that stopped England from becoming Stuart and Catholic once again.
Actually the common people of the Presbyterian lowland Scotland didn't support him for the most part, but some of the lowland aristocrats who had retained the Catholic faith did support him. The Welsh are mostly protestant and didn't support him.
This clip is greet.
poor scottsh man , i could cry
I'm Canadian not Catholic and I know the way this Rebellion turned out was probably for the better but this song still stairs my blood!
{Just to be clear I'm still very proud of my Scottish heritage.}
Nah it didnae the british empire went on tae conquer the world murdered and enslave countless people,but aye if thats probably the best lol
I'm Canadian too, Nova Scotian to be specific, baptised Catholic but not with the church anymore. As much as I owe my existence to the Clearances, I can't help but think that the world would probably be somewhat better off if the Jacobites had won, merely because the British Empire would've been curbed. Then again, there's no sure way of knowing.
I'm American I am sure if the Jacobites would've won we wouldn't be dealing with these left wing pricks. And Gods kingship on this earth would be established!
+Malcolm Sepulchre The clearances had nothing directly to do with the English, or the British Empire as such.
If you look into it, then you will find that they were for the most part led by the very same "highland cheifs" that so many people seem to get romantic and misty eyed about.
The clearances were about land and money, class interests and profit, not nationalism.
Cleared by 'highland chiefs' who had been anglicised as part of the Government's pacification policy post 1745.For the highlanders it would have far, far been if Charles Edward had listen to Lochiel and abandoned the Rising before it started.
He should have listened to Murray.
ja jane Aye, that's for sure!
What??! Everyone knows that there were English and Welsh and Irish Jacobites who dreamed of a Stuart revival = "The entire United Kingdom from Cornwall to to the Arran Isles, to Essex to the Orkneys and beyond"! Not just Scotland ! .........No one sings about our brave English, Irish and Welsh supporters! Fix that!
It is funny how Jacobitism got tied with Scottish nationalism when Bonnie Prince Charlie (and the rest of the Stuarts) didn't give two figs about the Scots and just saw them as a useful tool for their ambitions.
I am proud to be descended from Scots who lived on The Black Isle and settled in Nova Scotia after the American Revolution. Fishermen and schooner captains we were. On Georgia's Banks we made our living and to the sea we gave our lives. Forbes of Nova Scotia
Hail the true king
So Scottish, the Scottishness is almost too much to handle.
They say that parting is such sweet sorrow. I love the new Outlander series. Bonnie Prince Charlie with his Hollywood soft hands. Back then I'm sure Bonnie Prince Charlie was combat ready. Tough as they come. My favorite song by these musicians is the Fields of Flanders. The reality of war. Sadness and the beauty of the living for friend and foe. The series Outlander like so much of Hollywood's portrayal as torture of nobility is so far off when this man rode in his vanguard and a "divine" act of the ambush party falling asleep with no sentries lost the Stuarts the war.
fraid not the truth is he was a polish speaking pisspot who couldnt even communicate with highland scots sorry but history is real not hollywoods version
Charlie deserved to be king 👑 one of my ancestors fought in the Jacobite uprising, he was a poet 🙂
Interesting. My ancestors were probably in some italian city state.
The defeat outside Inverness led to the English king ordering the Highland Clearances. 240,000 men women and children were unloaded at Cape Fear North Carolina. They became the minutemen of the Revolution that had to fight against Indians, Tories, and the British Hessians. My ancestor, Arthur was hung by Major Ferguson, a renegade Scot they called Ferguson the day before the Battle of Kings Mountain and 800 Patriots of then thScotch and French ancestry, beat Ferguson's 1,100 Tories armed with Ferguson's breech loading rifle with could get off three shots to one man with a musket. The breech loading gun in the hands of 280 of the Patriots at Cowpens where 850 were facing 2, 200 British with 3 three pounder cannon. My ancestor and his two brothers were in the first line and told to lie in the grass, fire two shots at epaulets, reload, and run back to the second line of Marylanders, turn and fire point blank at the charging British. The battle began with a charge by the British Dragoons which took heavy losses. Then all ran back to the third line and it was hand to hand combat when a charge of 29 Patriot cavalry came from behind a hillock and it stunned Major Tarleton and his officers and they fled. Cornwallis was amazed at how such an inferior force could beat well-trained Hessian soldiers, but the Indians had taught them how to fight even better. My ancestor also fought at the Battle of New Orleans with his three sons. The British sent 2,000 Scots aimed at the center and nearly all died or were wounded so with 5,000 Americans and 5,000 British remaining, it was another victory for Scot Americans, but fought after the war was over.
The Clan Lairds made the clearances, everything you say is wrong. The majority of highlanders cleared by their lairds went to Canada and Australia and Glasgow. The clearances started in the early 1800s to remove people to make way for sheep as that made more money. Nobody cleared from Scotland was ever 'unloaded' in Carolina or any other US State
Malcolm Coghill, the first Hghland clearance came after the defeat of the Scots outside Inverness just after the 1745 French and British war. That was was over the French calling on the highlanders to put pressure on he British. They were chained andto break their spirit, and chained to the boats which the British sank just over the horizon to kill the Scots they hated. That is noted in America by American Scots. Australia was the second Highland clearances and different. 245,000 were sent to North Carolina and that is where the American Revolution was won after the huge losses at Charleston and Camden New Jersey. The biggest victory was Kings Mountain, October 5, 1780 the day after my ancestor, Arthur Patterson, was executed by British Major Patrick Ferguson, a renegade Scot.
Sorry, mate, Malcolm is right. Highland settlement in the Cape Fear valley started in the 1720s and 30s, primarily driven by economic forces. And the majority of Scottish settlers in North Carolina supported the Crown in the Revolution. In fact, Col. Allan Macdonald, the husband of Jacobite heroine Flora Macdonald, then living in Anson Co, NC, raised a Loyalist battalion of Highland expats and was defeated by Patriot forces in the Battle of Moore's Creek Bridge. Most of the Scots who supported the Revolution were Ulster Scots, originally from the Lowlands. See Duane Meyer's "The Highland Scots of North Carolina".
God bless ye Scotts opposing England's tyranny!
Thanks for the notes! One bad click, and I'm looking at grandaddy LONGSHANKS!
Mark me, I'd be a JACKOBITE for sure.,
I fell out when Grant said, "STAND FAST" in Outlander.
All Dad had to do was give me Mom's side-eye, boy howdy.
I'm Oxfords, Brogues, Wellies and Mocs. And nobody's VAGUELY Scottish on their Granny's side. There's a blowback for not knowing that Grandad was really yelling "FLARA" not "Flora" when he called for his Flower of Scotland.
Would you happened to know if the name Berry came from Ballindalloch? It seems the names were whittled down quite a bit.
Women named daughters after themselves, so I have a tangle of kinsmen named GRANT. Dad was Grant-Blackwell and we get to Grant-Macpherson several different ways. Having folks from Kansas and Missouri, I didn't really know how we got out there before Dad's work took him back to DC area in the 50s.
(Hidden Figures) It seems the first doctors came from cattle butchers, cowboys who raised Angus and Buffalo, chickens and hogs. I have a grandad who was drawn and quartered after being betrayed by his own brother! What a jerk.
George McPherson-Grant got my attention.
1776-1837
BIRTH 1776 • Faquier, Virginia, United States
DEATH 20 FEBRUARY 1837 • Scott,Harrison,Indiana,USA
3rd great-grandfather
The Mason codes really are like they sang in HMS Pinafore! I even have some Porters. It was my parent's prom. Mom seems to outrank Dad by quite a bit!
For all the curbs I've been kicked to, I'm FINALLY getting my records put together and found out, I'm MISSING since about 1981. House of Kent, Grant, etc and everybody expected the SPANISH INQUISITION!
I really despise being called everything I've had to TOLERATE over the past 50 years.
Wha'll be King But Charlie ?!?!? :-)
I like how Irish talk about this more than scots
Charles Edward Stuart was Catholic. Most of the Highland Clans fought on the side of the English King because he was Protestant. The Battle of Culloden is romanticized, but it was a matter of whether the Scots wanted to be Roman Catholic or Protestant.
Keep figthen my brothers me im from bruce,s blood
Great song - and the lesson for everybody how the idiotic ambitions of one man can crash the lives of millions...
Whilst the Jacobite Risings were partly the dynastic struggles of the Stuarts and Hanoverians, it was also a conflict between Catholicism and Protestantism, Highlands and Lowlands, England and the Celtic nations, France and the British, and the Tories vs the Whigs.
+Wilson Gavin
No-one had invented the "Celtic nations" at that time. That bit of whimsy came later.
+Duke Stanford A good salad, mixed culture and policy, and blood as a sauce. Politics are playing, and a lots of idiots are dancing, fighting and killing each other with "patriotic" shouts....
***** Sorry, you're simply wrong and spouting assumptions and prejudices.
Brittany does not have similar customs and social ideas to Scotland or Ireland, to any greater extent than they share them with England for instance.
The use of language groups to try to tie down ethnicity is simply wrong-headed and unhistorical. In fact the DNA tests you rely on do not show what you claim.
Talk of "nations" is modern thing, it is a product of the modern age. Scotland for instance was not a "nation" until quite recently historically and was made up of Brittonic peoples (speaking old Welsh), Anglo-saxons, Gaels, Picts, Norwegians (who settled in and ruled the isles), Danes etc ... reducing the whole of history to "celtic" and then claiming a magical link to the Bretons is simply silly.
This isn't the whole song :C
Hear he, hear he
Ah, thish is Déjà vu!
How so?
does anyone know if Charlie had any Anglo-Saxon ancestry?
Gotran Bluevein Well he was descended from the English Royal family via Henry VII which had a bit of Anglo-Saxon ancestry, however due to intermarriage Charlie was mainly Italian/Polish.
Gotran Bluevein Charlie was also descended from King David I of Scotland whose mother Queen/St. Margaret was Margaret of Wessex - a princess of the House of Wessex.
***** The Stuarts and the Tudors intermarried
***** James II, a half French quarter Danish man who married an Italian?
James III? A half Italian who was raised in France, married a polish woman and never spent more than a few weeks in Scotland?
Id go so far to say Charlie was barely Stuart or Tudor at all.
+Molly Taylor He did have Plantagenet ancestry-
Love Scots music and culture, so much like our own. That's why I will never be able to understand how the Scottish people rejected impedance when they voted on it.
isn't this News frae Moidart?
Traditional Highland society was torn down not because rebellion - it was destroyed because landowners wanted to breed sheeps and they started to kick out peasants long before last Stuart rebellion and contiunue with that long after prince Charles died.
A sane voice on TH-cam :-D
Yes, you are quite right, and it was a process mirrored in lowland Scotland and across Britain with the enclosures and the capitalist agricultural revolution. They turned feudal rights and responsibilities into tenancy and then kicked people off the land. Not that I'd defend the feudal clan system particularly, but what happened was for greed and profit.
I m from Serbia so I could be more objective- I know how hard is to talk about some historical topics if your relatives and ancestors were involved and even died in some historical events..After all I read and heard I just think that last Stuart rebellion really harmed Scotland because measures that Hanoverian goverment did but process of destructing traditional Highland society started in medieval times and lasted till 19 century. Its harthbreaking that Gaelic speaking people were kicked of from their homes ...but at least they fought against it. Like last samurai, they lost battle against modern world...But because they fought they will never be forgotten and people as me, thousands kilometers from Scotland are impressed with their fighting for freedom.It reminds me on fight of my own ancestors in hills of Bosnia and Montenegro against Turks. We also had clans and tribes and Highland culture and irony is that after we won we then truly lost old society and customs. :(
It was an invasion by Charles Edward Stewart on behalf of his father. His father had failed in the previous two uprisings, the 89 and the 15. He intended to claim the crown of Great Britain, not just Scotland.
Yes. Exactly.
God Bless King Charles III of England, Scotland, and Ireland.
+drdst27 Northern Ireland*
+Patrick Riley You know Bonnie Prince Charlie lived pre-partition, right?
No
+ruairí lamb fair enough. very romantic. But just consider that the english will inheret the empire and all its land which many scots fought and died for. if scotland where to succeed you would be a EU client state with less power than romania. also you are hardly subserviant to England. you have many advantages in the UK from tax relief to representaion in 2 parliments.
Yes. Under the true King Ireland would be better off in the UK, but not ruled by Userpers. The Stuarts were sent overthrown because they infringed on the rights of the English to persecute the Irish and Scottish.