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Starmer's hollow victory: He won the UK election but not the popular vote
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 6 ก.ค. 2024
- In this op-ed video, Peter Oborne explains how the general election was not quite the great victory it seemed for Keir Starmer.
Labour has secured one of the largest parliamentary majorities in British political history, but with a pitifully low share of the vote.
Labour is set to poll about 34 percent, not even two percentage points more than Jeremy Corbyn scored in 2019 and significantly less than the 40 percent that Corbyn scored in 2017.
To put it another way, thanks to the second lowest turnout since 1885, scarcely 20 percent of eligible British voters support Keir Starmer’s Labour.
Yet, he will end up with approximately two-thirds of all parliamentary seats.
"The collapse in Labour's vote share is the direct result of Starmer’s calculated decision to run a passionless, risk-free campaign aimed at securing the support of big business, the pro-war British establishment, and the Murdoch press," says Oborne.
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In 2017 when Corbyn was leader he won 40% of the vote share and 12.8 million votes. Starmer as leader won 33% of the vote share and 9.7 million votes. Corbyn was a more popular man.
No he wasn’t. People voted to kick the tories, but still more people voted for teresa may then Corbyn
@ftr841 Corbyn got more votes than Starmer, which has nothing to do with May ffs. Starmer isn't popular he's just in office because of the tories
@@firebyrd437 in 2017 people voted tories as they were terrified of Corbyn. Now they aren’t fussed about Starmer so happy not to vote, vote Lib Dem or reform
If there was a UK National vote between Corbyn and anyone else, Corbyn would win, because it's all based on constitutioncy the population of vote doesn't matter
@@ftr841 Teresa May wasn't investigated by the police. She was actually extremely popular with the electorate before the election campaign started. She would have wiped the floor with Starmer.
Does that mean the Speaker won't be able to ignore Diane at PMQs?
Starmer will not last. Yet even the Guardian is drastically underplaying the immediate crapfest facing this profoundly unpopular "leader." Winning 34% of the lowest turnout in modern electoral history is not a mandate, and an overwhelming majority of the UK population still don't want to help Netanyahu and the occupiers.
Starmer tied himself to the City who will show their greed more openly now, to austerity which will continue to torment UK children , to war crimes that will inevitably stain everyone associated with them, to the anti-science of Cass which will inevitably lead to more local conflict, more deaths, more misery, and will also stain any major figures on the wrong side of it sooner rather than later.
The whole thing is a house of cards. He was not even in politics when Cameron won in 2010, yet somehow he is the hackiest hack who ever hacked. He knows how to destroy and prosecute, he has no idea at all about how to build and govern. So what happens when he has brought Labour as low as the Tories are right now? Will the UK be free of both dinosaurs? Seems almost inconceivable. Better start organizing against Farage right now, though,
Labour have already hit the ground running. Starmer will prove to be an effective PM. He'll last up to the next election and beyond
Kier Starmer out , Jeremy Corbyn in
Corbyn is more popular than Starmer! The result don't cheat.
Unfortunately, not going to happen. The first thing the Labour high treason traitors to Britain did, within 24hrs, was to call Ukraine and pledge more money and more resources for the war, to keep the lost war going! It is absolutely infuriating. First thing should have been money to our NHS. Labour are the same old as the tories, it's going to utterly destroy Britain.
Wish it was that simple
Delusional
Still have opened doors.
Albanese in Australia did/does the same thing. They must be working to a template. But it’s all about subsidising wealthy corporations and continuing harsh austerity for everyone else. No housing & punishing inflation increasing the cost of everything just to live, suicide rates in our brave secular western societies are through the roof.
As an Australian, I agree with your comments. The only counter is a strong Green vote.
Yep, they pass along and use the same "manual" after years in the doldrums of opposition. They must bow down on all fours to Murdoch and his lackeys, convince BIG business that nothing will change, and then grovel to the citizens that they are not bad people and can be trusted. Starmer did not need to do this as he could not lose, just keep his trap shut and they'd throw out the Tories. BUT!!!
@@AK-np4rpPower corrupts even when those with power have the most humble and decent intentions, there is always a sociopath/ psychopath willing to use terrible methods... this is why we need to start developing self funded open democracy within workplace, communities and eventually wider groups that truly represent us on a wider stage without the hawks pushing for unnecessary conflicts.
Thank you Peter Oborne.
Thank you, Peter. Thank you MME.
Mr Oborne is a voice of reason.
Indeed.
If you want answers listen to Barbara learner Spectre and watch Europa the last battle.
More like voice of the Sun.
@@petersmith-yg7me eh? What are you smoking pal? He's been a right wing journalist/commentator e.g. for daily mail before seeing the light but the sun ? Murdoch's rectum?
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You're always the Voice of Reason Peter thank you very much for that fantastic video very enlightening. Please don't stop broadcasting these videos we need you to reassure us that democracy is alive and healthy
Our system desperately needs a shake up fptp doesn’t represent our views. Barb
Really proud of the people who united and created their own community lead politics. Hears to the independents establishment thought you couldn’t do it. Ladies and gentlemen you proved them wrong!
The independent candidates would have done much better if the Murdoch controlled media hadn't been so biased towards Nigel 'Boring' Farshake 🤬
I don't even have terrestial TV and he was all over my internet feeds.
Brilliantly summarised.
Well said
Wise words indeed - but the darker predictions give us all a reason to be fearful and alert
The constant predictions of a huge swing to labour were repeated over & over on & in Murdoch media etc
For many that was a sign it must be OK and like sheep they did vote .."Tell a man" anything often enough and he will believe it .That elections was funded and backed by the F O I ..
The audacity of calling hamas resistance a war crime. While israel use of hunger as weapon as "likely breach of humanitarian law."
Good bye starmer. And long live the resistance.
Hate speech- Reported to You Tube and the Police.
@@g.p616 using hunger as a weapon is pro-semite ? Sure is
How does October 7 fit into your narrative?
@@vitawater4259 how does 75 years of land theft and atrocities fit into your victim card ?
@@g.p616Don't be so infantile. Wind your Zionist neck in.
Peter Oborne talks great sense, as usual.
“Israel has the right” to cut off food, water & electricity to 2 millions of people in Gaza
~ Keir Starmer, October 11, 2023
Terrible to think we now have a war criminal as our PM.
I know lots of people that voted away from Labour for this reason more than any other.
What a twisted mind.
One of the best real Journalist in Britain today.
Nice piece!
Starmer is a hypocrite
a huge danger and threat more like...
a foreign agent more like...
... I found it amusing that Emily Thornberry, after obfuscating on TV interviews, following Starmers support for Israels war crimes and genocide, was sidelined as shadow attorney General, and the govt job actually given to a Jewish, Zionist, whose sons are in the IDF...
... but when Starmer is told to send the UK to war, as a proxy of Israel, he must have the "right" people in place... to give him the "right" legal opinion... 😱
Of course he didn't win the popular vote, he's very nearly as bad as the ones that just left. He's (Starmer) more Tory than he is Labour, which is a problem when you're supposed to be leading Labour against the Tories.
He is cruel , dangerous , and taking orders from some not in UK .Very nasty individuals too as is he...
He isn't either, just a puppet reading scripts doesn't have his own thoughts.
Tory-Starmer and his Pseudo Labour Government.
Kid Starver - Prime Minister - shame
Well summarized
BoJo's great election victory five yers ago was even more hollow - and the news media were completely wrong back then, in declaring that millions of former Labour voters had swept past the aisle to the Tories. Actually the Tories didn't gain much in terms of real vote numbers - what had happened was that Labour had failed at mobilizing, and millions of "their" voters had simply stayed at home.
It seems that both this time and in December 2019, the general voter turnout in the UK was fairly low.
What are you talking about? The turnout in 2019 was the highest since 1992, apart from 2017. This election was the second lowest turnout since 1885. The Tories won the most seats since 1987 and had the highest share of the popular vote since 1979 in 2019. More people voted Labour in 2019 than they did in 2024. Labour lost 2 members of the shadow cabinet and the number of votes Starmer got halved from 2019.
@@clivet3252 You're wrong on just about everything there, Clive. Check out the voter stats on Wikipedia of you don't believe me - they're from official sources.
The Tories gained only around 360,000 votes in 2019 from two years before, that's ONE percentage point in the total popular vote. Quite negligible. The Lib Dems on the other hand increased their size by an impressive 50%, but this didn't translate into any seats won at all - indeed they *lost* one seat! And no, the voter turnout didn't peak in 2019 - it had been 68.8% in 2017 but now landed at 67.3%. The top turnout at any general election since 1992 was in 1997, of course (note: I'm talking about TOTAL voter turnout in %, not just Tory turnout)
Actually, it was the Tory vote that halved a few days ago from 2019, from 14 million /43.6% to 6.8 million /23.7%
@@clivet3252 Hello Clive, sorry you're out of your depth here on most of this. In 2019, the Tories gained a single percentage point (around 360K votes) from the previous polls, that's not indicative of any large sweepstake of former Labour voters. The LibDems, at the same elections five years ago, increased their share of the vote by 50% but this got them nowhere in terms of seats, actually they were down one seat in the Commons.
The Tories are the ones who were halved in terms of votes at the elections last week, from 14M to 7M. A couple more of your statements are out of la la land - you can check the statistics for these elections in the articles about them on Wikipedia, that's straight official stats. Shows that I am right. (I replied earlier, but it seems YT swallowed that one for no viable reason - the Tube messing with the comments field is an increasing problem here)
@@louise_rose I don't know what you're trying to say.
@@louise_rose I don't know what the Tories being halved in terms of votes has to do with anything. They lost. No one is disputing that.
British , I live in Germany and have said a win for Starmer would have people regretting . To all who voted Labour don't repeat the Brexit bleat ie You didn't know what. you were doing .Many loathed Sunak because of his wife's wealth. I am neither Tory no labour but have no jealousy only a fear that Britain is finished and in the hands of we know who.
Neither Sunak or his wife deserve their wealth; it was handed to them.
This analysis is how I tried comforting myself after another Thatcher election win, but the bastard was still the PM
I can't understand Starmer, giving up a seat to his party's opponent, instead of his own party's representative, for him to support Israel?? A similar pattern also seen in the US, Israel's support getting a higher priority than one's own constituents. Quite bizzare.
Part of a secret 'coalition' ???
I can understand how any war is of concern to other countries, particularly when it is as bad as it is . But what I can't understand, is how it can take precedence over our own countries issues. People native to this country can feel concern and sympathy for other places, but should not have their elections and concerns for our own countries issues, overridden by what is happening elsewhere in the world, as has been the case in this election.
And no matter what anyone might say against what I've written here, I am certain that no country anywhere, would do the same for us!
@@Gill-pc9nm They have strong feelings about it because of the 'direct' involvement of the UK in it. And btw, do you know how much does it cost to send an aircraft carrier over there? Please google it.
Sir Edward Leigh is Father of the House.
A Great Briton is Peter
This man talks sense...... A real English gentleman
Because he tells you what you want to here? Starmer is anything but center right.
If you ask this man what his political leaning would point towards, he would probably say Conservative.
Yet he speaks thoughtfully & carefully because his knowledge of history & issues such as the Middle East is very extensive.
The more I listen, the more I value his judgement.
One of the best commentators around right now.
Thanks to all the people who didn’t vote were stuck with this white version of rishi Sunak now 👍
Please keep colour out of it and wait ,Starmer is horribly evil, arrogant and cruel ..( what you have in your genetic make up ) Doesn't actually matter ....
💯% true
We need to keep a spotlight on decisions that many politicians would like to go unnoticed so that ordinary people can KNOW. It is our duty to inform ourselves in order to be protagonists of our, not their, but our future
Brits know how to organize!
Dig it!
Peter Oborne spot on analysis once again. My father was, like Oborne, an investigative journalist. And I like to think he would have admired Oborne a great deal, given his own truth to power approach which he pursued at great personal cost.
Thundering and ground breaking narration Sir❤❤❤
The music is annoying.
I wonder when the Labour Party stopped being a workers' party. I should look into that.
Labour ceased being a Socialist party when Blair became it's leader and turned it into a Centrist political party; but Starmer has turned it into Right-Of-Centre, so what we have now is a Pseudo Labour Government.
The state of uk poltical affairs summed up perfectly. A sorry state with a glimmery of hope stemming from the independents
Well presented 👏🏼
The Tories robbed Corbyn of the father of the House title on a technicality
These independents and Green Party MP’s just elected sent Starmer a message that your not invincible you can’t walk all over us you can’t silence the majority
Time to changed the election laws, everyone must vote, and none of the above should be on the paper. MPs should come from the town they represent. Barb
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One reason for low turnout is photo ID.
These characters only care about once thing: power and how they get it is irrelevant.
Don't forget the $.
Starmer 🤮
Thank you Peter. Your comments are always erudite and thoughtful,
Great Peter Osborn as he always is.
Thanks
Absolutely right.
From Barbra Castle to Adnan Hussain - a Pakistani sectarian rooted in the bigotry and backwardness of his community. The Palestinian authority endorsed Craig Murray an experienced diplomat, a proven humanitarian etc. The only thing good about Mr Hussain is that he is local. But he is a young man and what was noted about his campaign was he was surrounded by ex Labour Jack Straw men - the previous Mp and foreign Secretary. Don't be surprised if he follows the Labour party line. A lot of people suspect he is independent in name only !
We are fkd.
It would be more pleasant to listen to this informative speech without the disturbing background sounds. Anybody agrees? Thank you anyway.
Next election we will have Nigel❤❤❤
Unfortunately, I read that Corbyn will not be father of the house because a Tory pushed his way to the front of the queue the day of signing in.
Why did Bangladeshis kept voting Labour? I am a Bangladeshi myself so I am just curious.
A large parliamentary majority is real power, not hollow at all. The centre left scored 53% of the popular vote, Labour, Lib Dems + Greens , even without Plaid and the SNP. There is usually a centre left majority of 52%+ across the UK , and this time has worked against the Conservatives and extreme right. Labour polled more votes in 1951 and the Conservatives and worn out Churchill still took power. There are however in my view warning signs with the loss of 5 seats to go to the faith sectarian vote on Gaza, and upper class London nihilists like Faridge & Tice getting elected to parliament with their dangerous Deform cult Co. Ltd . It is the FPTP system, and in the long term Proportional Representation that is desirable to keep the current Tory nutters out of power permanently. Let's judge by results and see if it's managed decline, or the start of a real turnaround with infrastructure and skills investment. However things work out, the Labour party must re-engage with the working class, and undermine the private school system to raise standards , teaching pay and status of teachers across the country, especially in Wales and Scotland that have fallen behind.
Excellent analysis 👍
Voting should only be for the indigenous. I would not expect a vote if I went to live in another country.
Hello. If you start a campaign for British people living all over the world to lose the right to vote where they live, I can find people to support you. Best wishes.
I agree with both of you!
Sadly, JC isn't father of the house, it's some Tory who joined on the same day but signed in first
What is the far right he keeps talking about?
Oh dear 😢 so so sad.
This often happens with First Past the post. Nothing new.
Excellent! 🙏🤲☝️❤️
The last time the election in the UK was won with more than 50% of the popular vote was in 1931. This is the major problem with nearly all Western democracies.
The principle of "one man, one vote", which is trumpeted as the cornerstone of Democracy, has turned out to be the very principle that causes the undemocratic governing of the country by a minority.
This is extremely divisive because it means that most actions a government takes are basically unpopular. The resulting outcry in the media and elsewhere adds to the divisiveness.
The consequence of this is that not much action takes place that is supported by a majority of the population.
Hardly a way to run a family let alone a country.
I don't happen to agree with Mr. Farage but I like the name of his party because Reform of the system is essential.
The turnout was low because of the voter id requirement.
👍🏽 Pertinent reflection of the Facts 🙏🏽
Brilliant piece!
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Oh No. Bitter and twisted. Conservatives had the option to change the voting system for years and did nothing. Live with it.
maybe yu should think about creating a democracy?
Like Ren says in his song Money Game 2, "it doesnt matter if they hate you if they all say your name".
Country first🇬🇧🏴🇬🇧🏴🇬🇧🏴🇬🇧🏴
Copying Trump.
Thank you for this. Very good understanding of our present situation. Barb
Has there ever been a newly installed PM that was as personally unpopular as Starmer is now? It’s striking that the leader of a party that has just won a massive majority scores so low in just about every approval rating. He’s going to need some big wins soon or things might go south very quickly.
Labour have 5 years to turn things around. That's all that matters. First 2 years trying to do it. Following 3 years trying to make things look good for next election..
They call it democracy.
Yeah right 🙃
The UK is hooped
“I HAVE RELATIVES IN ISRAEL WHO ARE AFFECTED BY THE WAR” SAYS STARMER
Labour leader also cast doubt on his children’s Jewish status
Hamas’s attack on October 7 impacted Sir Keir Starmer’s wife’s family in Israel, the Labour leader has said for the first time.
Predicted to become the next Prime Minister after the July 4 general election, Sir Keir told the Guardian this weekend: “Half of the family are Jewish, they’re either here or in Israel.”
Speaking about October 7, Sir Keir said “Thank God” nobody was directly affected by the massacre, but added that there was “no doubt" his family in Israel had been affected by the war.
The Kier Starmer family belongs to London's Liberal Jewish Synagogue in St John’s Wood.
They say kiddush regularly. “Pretty much every week” there’s a challah, Sir Keir said, adding that sometimes his wife's family come over to their north London home for Shabbat, or Lady Victoria’s sister joins them on Zoom.
We all know where his true loyalty lies. And it's not with the citizens of the UK.
You can’t defend the indefensible and what Israel is doing? Is definitely that. What about the children that are being wilfully starved to death?
Nepotism
@@zoo-xibbitjayne2081 British Prime Minister Keir Starmer has stunned both his critics and supporters by appointing a leading Jewish lawyer, Richard Hermer, as the new Attorney General of the country.
@@zoo-xibbitjayne2081How is that nepotism?
In basic terms, what you are saying is we have a Govt no-one wants!
Great video
Labour paid the price?! First election win since Blair. Their strategy worked really well. they have a huge parliamentary majority.
Its up to them to use that, but moving to the center and having a boring campaign worked magnificently
No he won a great victory , we have grown ups in the house no clowns sunac and farage.
Don’t ever remember you advocating for a change in how we vote
Labour is not a progressive or even left leaning party any more. It's become Tory lite, that's why I will continue to support SNP for independence for Scotland and to leave these toxic Britidh state politics behind.
I checked and apparently Corbyn won't quite be father of the house because Sir Edward Leigh will be (as he was sworn in earlier on the day they were both sworn in).
Are Hamas not accountable for their actions. They started this current round of the conflict, which has been going on for hundreds of years
Not 100% sure Jeremy is actually Father of The House, Peter. Think it might be Tory Edward Leigh
This is FPTP, like it or not.
Well yeah, like Trump didn't win the popular vote either, but you vote for individual MP's, not a party that appoints MP's.
What a lot of sore losers. The tories are out, get over it
You can’t use results under the undemocratic FPTP system to mean anything at all under a sane system, unfortunately.
👏👏👏
He’s very clever, we have to admit that, though I don’t like it.
i agree with everything in this video, except technically, corbyn won’t be “father of the house”. that title now belongs to tory mp edward leigh. although both corbyn and leigh were first elected in 1983, leigh was sworn in as a mp first, making him “father of the house”.
MEE needs to add sign language to their videos would help spread the word better
The popular vote refers to the majority of the votes cast. Yes he did win the popular vote.
Peter, do the Qataris not insist on you being sober when you're reading out their bulletins.
Thank you for your brilliant report that shows how indecent are our mainstream politicians and Starmer embodies them!
There is ocean of difference between situation of UK and EU of 20th century , even late 20th Century and present and that is the very reason why center right will move towards more right if not far right while center left apparently moves to center right.
It is for the left parties of UK and EU to understand and recognise the need for such shift and public support behind it.
It is also important for right wing parties of UK and EU to decouple the situation inside those places and response needed to address those from support for Netanyahu's genocide in Gaza.
If all people see in everything of politics is right and left they will fail to address many crucial factors and fail many people in the process.
This is not bad , this was needed in UK and EU