Fake proof silver eagle purchased from China.
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It is a curious crappy alloy not found on the periodic table, only found in China...called Chinesium!
Number two failed the rotation test. 2:25
I think it fails based on looks alone
I agree e he missed that
Also the letter U
Why did he not mention this ??
I think it’s #2! And why does China get away with this? Their dishonesty has gone too far
I have an aged mother, and she is constantly under threat by domestic scam artists of all sorts, the US phone companies know who they are, and sometimes even the local cops, but for some reason or other nothing is ever done. Corruption and rip-offs are a world-wide problem, but it isn't "China" that is being dishonest, just some criminals in China.
@@mikesloothaak679 Sure, but it is China in that it is sanctioned by the Chinese government. Not the Chinese people, but their "communist" totalitarian regime.
Tyrants shall fall, Sic semper tyrannis.
they say its replicas...
I think it is either one or two, so that means it will be number three
We are being sold down the river to China by the Dems and the RINOs :(
A little surprised you didn't mention the obv/rev orientation is wrong. The fake uses medal alignment and not coin alignment. Granted, some fakes will have the correct orientation so this is not a fool proof check (albeit an obvious one if wrong).
Also, be careful using calipers in that fashion as you could easily get a false negative (or positive). You want the prongs of the calipers to be on the same plane as the coin and not perpendicular to it.
Shhhhhhhh, he didn't notice! hahahah
@@JWsCoinsandHobbies I noticed that right away and I was going to comment but I see someone did already. Speg, I'm surprised you missed that.
I don't truly believe he missed it. He's too good for that. I just think he's running a social experiment to see how many people will point it out.
@@JWsCoinsandHobbies Probably, but it's always fun to rib him about it. Nothing says lov'in like abuse from your own subscriber posse.
If it was Australian it would work, as our coins are flipped like that, rather than upside down obverse to reverse
first hint : from China
Two points Speg, you didn't mention the medal orientation and when you used the calipers to measure the diameter, you should keep the calipers in the plane of the coin to catch the full width.
I bought one of these from China and when I received it, it was the size of a half dollar. I appealed to E-Bay
and they refunded my money. God bless E-Bay.
"Just the tip" That's what she said.
Fantastic video Speg. Lol that magnet was messing with your mic.
Thank you for sharing
fastest way to test is to get a magnet and a ping test.
you dont ping proof coins :D
@@sarahnewell3827 if it is not numismatics that is ok to ping.
Only from the eye 2 is visible...also the flipping (orientation) of the coin was very revealing! 😅😅😅
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Love the 'cutting'!!
I wouldn't buy anything from China that minted in America that would be ridiculous
Completely agree with you. And the amount of fakes coming from Communist China are increasing. No collector, stacker or dealer should have anything to do with buying from there, for that matter.
Lord Grime I agree, they need to pay for what they have done
When your face-to-face with the coins it’s fairly obvious but when you’re buying online it is extremely difficult until after you have received it by then it’s too late thanks for the video👍
4nines Fine Often in situations like that.. they will take pictures of legit ones and then when people buy them, they mail the fakes.
Unless these fools used images of real Silver Eagles you could zoom in and see with a good eye or a real one to match it up with.
@@darthsilversith667 Never-go by the photo!
mm ix I know.. I don’t buy online anyway. Not on sites like EBay anyway. If I have to resort to buying online, then I will buy from a large, reputable dealer.
That's how scammers get you, you need silver bad, and you need it cheaper, never trust eBay, or pictures, trust the authorized dealers only who receive your coins directly from the mint.
This is what I like with my LCS shops and most pawn shops here in Oregon they test them! You can buy peace of mind.
Good video Speg! I noticed the one in the middle looked a little “wavy” right away, and the surface looked plated. I bet if you rub your finger over the plated one & a real one they’ll feel different too, I notice that with karat gold jewelry vs. plated jewelry all the time. 👍👍👍
2. Now going to watch the rest. I'm back...The diameter seemed smaller to me as soon as I saw it. Sort of impressed myself that i saw it so fast. Great video buddy. Thanks.
I like your intro in the first minute it was excellent. I'd like to see the Clippers to the fake silver on display.👍
Love your videos! So informative. Thanks bud!
Good job I like how you zoomed in on the camera and show the difference good job thanks
What size is that big magnet you have and where did you buy it
Thanks Speg for this information.
If you look at the width the fake one will have a wider width.
Thanks to you and Mark, we all are a little wiser
Great video, very educational, there's just one thing I noticed. When measuring with the calipers you should be aligning them with the coin longways, that way you know youre touching the furthest distance across. Of course you knew it was off before that anyway so it's of little importance.
My dad bought counterfeit Chinese silver twice on Ebay. He has learned is lesson not to buy Chinese silver again. I heard that there are companies in China licensed by the government to produce Counterfeit American Silver coins.
Ray K he should also learn not to buy from eBay
Fake coins are from all over the world, right now the majority of fake coins are from Ebay’s venues. So I think EBay should take part of the blame, and not buying silver or gold merchandise from China if I were you.
Beautiful coins. Great investment! Thanks for the review!
I appreciate that your nails are short and clean
It would sure be interesting to know what alloy or amalgamation that coin was made of. The weight was very close to that of silver, but all of the magnetic elements are notably less dense than silver. In the light the cut looked copper-colored, but maybe that was just some sort of lighting artifact in the video, since nickle, cobalt, and iron are all somewhat silverish in color.
Thank you Speg and to Mark who willingly gave up his coin to educate others! But be aware that some people/dealers will be clever and buy coins from non-American counties then repack them in boxes/plastic and say they are legit.
1. It was smaller
2 it had a weird line down the right side of the back
3. When you flipped it around it was inverted.
Great video!! Thanks for teaching us awareness of a fake. 👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽😀
2:26 I already knew it was #2 before you flipped the coin, but when you flipped the coin, it just confirmed it for me.
For me, it was easy to spot due to the way the Chrome plating was reflecting off the "rays"
Number 2 cause of the way it flipped! Thanks for the info!
From the start I thought #2 was fake. The diameter looked small. Great video thanks!
Speg's, Nice video my friend. Good PSA. Hope you are well. Thanks for the Info! Cheers.
Your talents with a magnet are unmatched good sir. :)
The minute you flipped the center coin and it had a medallion die orientation it was a no brainer.
My dog won’t stop barking after that door bell 🤣
Sorry.. but I’m not really ;)
@@Spegtacular dont worry I replayed it about 5 times to bother her 😛
For me I was really lucky to find a silver dollar coin at work. And the customer used it at face value, and I asked my boss if I can trade it with my dollar and he said yes. And seeing your video it confirms that it's real, thank you!
The centre one.... I got one from America to.. my friend bought it from Amazon :( such a bummer
I am getting really tempted to buy a sigma tester everytime I see you use it. If it wasn't so expensive I would already have one ;)
You should have also demonstrated the ping ringing sound test as you did on your Fake Morgan Silver Dollar from a flea market video.
There's several times I could do but there's no need to do every single test in every single video. That would get a little repetitive wouldn't it? When one or two of these tests are such a "nail in the coffee", we can generally stop there. After all, this is not a "how many tests can you do to test silver" video.
Dead give away for me was the letter U in United. The mint changed the design of the U a few years back.
#2, as soon as you said one was fake. Thank you for this.
If I may: when you want to cut a notch into a coin like you do, I suggest you shove the coin as deep as you can into the cutter's jaws. You get much better leverage that way. Such would be better both for the tool and your hand, and probably reduce the chance of the coin going flying as well.
i knew the middle one was fake because of the lettering and the thickness and style of font it is... very easy to spot to any real collector
Very instructive, thanks! If you are an avid ASE collector, carry a real one in your pocket for comparison.
The give-away for me was that the obverse wasn't a flip over. American coins the back is upside down to the front.
Hmmmm ... Canton using crosshatching and the reverse upside down. Could it possible be #2?
I think it 2......looks smaller and a different design for the walker.......gonna wait till the end to find out
Maybe drill a small hole through the fakes to permanently mark them yet saving them for our training? Good video. Thank you.
Thanks for the video. You linked the verifier. Could you recommend where at get the magnet? Google search didn't look promising. Again thanks great video.
I got it on EBay years ago
@@Spegtacular Thank you. Hard out here buying person to person.
It looks so small compared to the others, also you need to learn how to use calipers, you can't pick 2 random points like that...
Great material!
Thanks for the video. This helped me verify 11 fake Eagles.
Holy smokes 11? Where’d they come from?
I have the same fake coin. Keeping it for educational purposes. I was surprised on how great it look after I took a picture of it.
#2 looks like steel. I can see the color tone. And its considerably smaller
One can do the "soundcheck" with silvercoins. Put it on a fingertip and hit it slightly with another coin. If it does a nice vibrating "pling" sound it is silver, if it does a kind of short "smack"-sound, than it's most likely fake. Silver, and gold also, "ring" like only eternal money can do!
one other thing not pointed out was how noticeably further away the writing on the reverse was from the edge of the fake Eagle; most noticeable w/ the naked eye @ the "1oz FINE SILVER" area.
Much easier to see IF You have a US Mint purchased Eagle to compare it to.
Is it the one in the middle the mint marked looked different then the rest of them?
I stopped collecting the proof silver eagle in 2006 so I'm not as familiar with them any more. That was alot of good points to check for fake coins, and thanks for putting them out there, good video. I don't know if I forgot this or never knew it but my question is on the two good coins. How come #1 is frosted in the back ground while #3 has a mirrored back ground? Thanks
A different type of proof coin.
👋🏼👋🏼 thank you for sharing speg
😂 I thought it was #1, until you flipped over #2.
If you see them side by side you see immediately that the diameter of the 2nd "coin" is smaller. If you see it online it's possible so see the differences but it's much harder if you have a good fake.
Thank you so much. I just found out that a 2020 westpoint silver eagle is a fake thanks to you video.
Very cool video and content thanks for posting!👍🏼😎❤️
The fake ones reverse is upside down. When you flipped the coins at the beginning of the video, you shouldn't have had to rotate the center one.
On U.S. Coins you only have to rotate them to orient the coin if you flip it left to right or right to left, not not top to bottom or bottom to top.
I knew right away it was the one in the middle, number 2. when you flipped it from the bottom the other side was not upright.
Great video... EXPOSE THE SCAMMERS!!!
This video has me laughing. Either i'm becoming a coin expert (unlikely) or that is a horrible fake silver eagle.
Number 2! The flip, gave it away
So that's where all the Australian iron goes!
Have you ever seen a fake Sunshine Mint 1oz silver coin? They have the "patented anti-counter fitting water mark". How secure / fool proof is this thing?
Hi there what's the value of a 1893 s Morgan silver dollar
Howdy SpegTacular. I ordered two 2 oz Scottsdale Sunday and they are out for shipment today. APMEX won't be out until 7/19/2020. I am a patient man.
It’s a virtue :) people had rumored that Scottsdale was going out of business, stealing money, etc. in truth, they were just extremely busy.
Speg #2 is as Real as any of the Kardashians....
My guess is number two because when you flipped them over....the reverse side of Number two was the only one not still in the correct position......you had to turn it around.
The one on the left.. The "U" on the back is the pre 2008 letter "U"
I wanna see those other 2 being caliper and confirm the thickness.
It would be interesting to actually find out what metal it was made from, obviously it was highly attracted to the magnet.
I don't know if someone else said this cause I have not read all the comments. But on a real silver eagle the head and the tail are inverted just like every U.S coin. On the Chinese fake the the head and the tail are both facing the same direction
You can get really good deals on eBay, but NEVER buy premium silver or gold products off there.
I think some reputable US companies selling gold and silver coins also have shops set up on EBay. Just need to go to buy those coins from reputable sellers.
I didn’t see anyone mention the pre 2008 U in United on the reverse. The size was the first indicator but the u sealed the deal.
I would check for contamination.
Number two it's small. When you flipped it also.
Speg Tacular, I got burned on a 1893 CC Morgan dollar, let me know if you want to make a video on it and I will send it to you, had it checked out at my LCS.
Wow! It's hard to tell.
My guess is the 3rd one.
You should get silver testing solution so we can see if it's even silver plated.
"Big thank you for the tips,
I was cracking up watching you messing with fake silver OMG thanks for sharing went through my stack all real.wow terrible how many fakes..
One use for fake coins is to have them on display as copies in your house in case you get robbed.
#2 is the fake. The "U" is wrong. It does not have a tail.
Yes. This is the first thing I noticed. The typeface overall is close but incorrect. The U is the easiest to spot. Also, the crossbars on the A's are too thin and the C narrows too much at the top and bottom. In general, the stokes are all wrong. On the real coin, the width of the letters is much more consistent.
I for one am sick of China ripping off our coins and basically everything of value that’s American. Even Silver eagles are technically legal tender and it’s considered an act of war for a country to make counterfeit money from another country. The Chinese government doesn’t make them themselves.. but they sell permits for companies to make them and that’s just as bad. Our government needs to take the gloves off with China and pick our pride up off the floor!!
Why are the backgrounds on the two good ones different; one polished, one "frosted?"
One is a proof and one is a reverse proof
I have never found a magnetic coin. . . Welcome to china boy😂🤣😂 another good video Speg!
I haven't really seen in modern bullion coin that looked real and I could not tell the difference. What scares me is when they tried to fake old numismatic coins, those can be tricky.
The middle coin has both sides the same way, not flipped upside down like the real ones.
Number 2 because I noticed that it is on the wrong way up when turned over
The color on #1 seems really off
I think it’s an enhanced proof with added sparkle.
That's a reverse proof coin. It looks real.
The details on the second coin is off. Plus, he flipped the coin along the x-axis and the tails (reverse side) is upside down. That's a dead giveaway for a fake: US coins flip in the horizontal axis; US medals and foreign coins (such as UK) flip in the vertical axis.
The details of the third coin matches the first, so it is authentic, like the first.
My 2010 early release West Point mint NGC verified has pretty pronounce lines in the flag.
You can see that number 2 is smaller