I’ve gotten used to it over the years, but Bagel somehow does all of these 30, 40, 50 minute videos in *one take*. Like seriously, that’s crazy impressive and it’s super cool once you realize it :)
@@lasunbarada-realtorri1265 artifacts changed the meta. Icaru being meta without artifacts is insanely difficult. Needed crazy rune requirements before
This is really helpful for newer players. I just 6* Miho so I was pretty stoked at her rating. I’m pretty impressed by his ability to make things accessible and understandable even during segments such as these. He would be a great radio jockey!
I personally feel Jultan is at least A for guild wars. Speed lead, both skill defense breaks, and can stun with skill 2. I stuck some speed on mine, nothing amazing but he's over 200 speed and I've been enjoying him more than just a damage sponge.
You tier list is actually very clever, and usefull: Everyone makes TIER list based on RTA, an there are only 1% of players who do that kind of PVP, the resto of mortals do C1 or lower. Thanks much appreciated.
Love the content. I know it's mostly repetitive from the last 2a video, but things change and others are still worth repeating. :) Any chance of us getting a video like this about the rune types? :)
Its a very good tier list, but its a little problematic not having (A or A-). For instance, Spectra now is SO SO SO strong in ToaH that I can't see her in the same "level" or some others of the (A+ PvE) tier. Since its an "old" content people kind of overlook it, but for early/mid game she is amazing now, changed my runs from 4~5 trys (hard maps) to AutoPlay.
Any chance we see an updated 2A tier list with the missing mons added? Or has it already been done and I just need to search through your content better? :P
This is not about 2A units, but i`d like to ask if you could do a showcase on the fire babaric king. I wanna know if his 3rd Skill ignores Triana, Miho and Garo Passive. Thanks!
Funny enough i did try wind cat for rta/gw for awhile. 119 base speed and 100% crit is crazy nice. Now shes being tested for a front line r5 build. Which is going well.
Like a vid on which monsters are worse as 2nd awaken w/o skill-ups. I.e., Bernard would not have reducing cool down and damage buffs so is he really better 2nd awaken?
Did you take down your video that showed all of the future 2nd awakenings? Can’t find it for the life of me Edit: I WAS SO HAPPY WHEN HE PUT WIND INU IN S TIER I LOVE THIS DOGGO.
I like these long videos. I learn a lot (pretty noob), and I always get a little disappointed whenever you interrupt yourself saying "But I can't talk about that all day. Look at the time. Gotta go fast".
Icaru (blue inugami) actually got me from B+ to an S score in fire rift beast, and that was before the 2nd awakening, when its MAX Def bonus that I could build was +2247. Now with the second ability, which takes on more partners, and with dark Harpu, I have gotten to a 1:17 time on necropolis B10.
I have built an Icaru because I thoughtt he looks cool. Since then I have found out that he is a pretty good paired up with a Woosa to remove that one turn gap from the Immunity and also provide a speed lead and defense break. Not S tier or anything but actually usable.
I use the water inugami with feng yan and emma for gw/siege offence, i honestly, love him, such an underated unit, that counter buff on every attack is underated, and he has self attack buff and def break as well, truly underrated
6 Years of getting butt fucked by Come2us... Or a jump from the current version (5.3.x) to version 6 with a massive update... But I'd stick with the first theory...
My first ever time to comment on a tier list. Yo the wind werewolf is good!!! How dare you put the water war bear avbove him - that is tragic. Also Jultan is straight up awesome in guild content at the moment. He is great vs Loren and also Miho (def break, healblock, DoT, and built with low CR normally). WTF - Shannon! Above Jultan - I am crying inside.
Hey bagel (and all), question, does water mystic witch and her 2nd (toad poison, if I recall) work well against DB10? Right crystal gives immunity, but her S2 blocks beneficial effects. Does it prevent the dragon from getting that immunity, or does it overrule that debuff?
She can remove the immunity,won't prevent the tower from giving immunity, the tower removes every debuffs including her block if it's on the dragon, she's good in urly db10 but falls short afterwards
Jultan is much more relevant in guild wars than fire werewolf though, budget rakan is yay but rakan is already pretty unused in gw for a reason :x Though I don't understand why Mina (also she's a miho counter if you put one debuff) isn't SSS, yes she's not great in pve but neither is miho and she's up there :s Same for elucia! Varus isn't great, maybe A+ Gw but not much better than that The rest seem pretty solid otherwise o:
I use Naomi in Siege and Guild wars a lot. Naomi (L) Fran Loren is really good team against Khmun Skogul Vigor defences. With defense break and slow debuff, my cat one-shots 90% of skoguls, and vigor is a guaranteed kill. Also thanks for Naomi I finally finished Arena in C1
Pulled a blue cat - thinks nice food for Miho - realized I hadn't deselected last mon too late and watched a nat2 eat both. Cried a lot and wrote large stickit note on monitor - "LOCK GOOD MONS". Cried some more
2:48 *Werewolves*
7:49 *Warbears*
11:19 *Pixies*
16:56 *Fairies*
22:16 *Martial Cats*
27:28 *Inugamis* *_(Puppy Dogs)_*
33:03 *Griffons*
much appreciated
Thanks saving my time
Thx
Thanks bro!
Thx bro
"Which beast monster am I most attracted to?"
This is a video I didn't know I needed. MAKE IT!!!
The ducks. Obviously.
I’ve gotten used to it over the years, but Bagel somehow does all of these 30, 40, 50 minute videos in *one take*. Like seriously, that’s crazy impressive and it’s super cool once you realize it :)
Bagel putting Icaru in C Tier
DB12 Meta: *aight time to step in*
He did say that its based on other peoples opinion and that he actually thinks its a good unit
@@kiwi446 i mean this is also a video made 8 months ago when the tricaru meta wasn't a thing
lol my jaw dropped when he put the tricaru in C
@@lasunbarada-realtorri1265 Because he wasn't a thing back then. This was released last April.
@@lasunbarada-realtorri1265 artifacts changed the meta. Icaru being meta without artifacts is insanely difficult. Needed crazy rune requirements before
Even since 2a cats came out I started regretting every single time I fed a dark cat 😔😔
I would watch a waifu teir list. Lol
He should make one
DESTINY CHILD.
Do it bagel we'd love to know!
PS: it's Beth right?
1. Malaka
The Rest
Do itt
Thanks for making this it helped me out a lot so glad u made this
Enjoyed this Tier list more than the other ones that you show us in the past
Thanks so much for all the work and effort you put into your videos. This helps me out so much.
This is really helpful for newer players. I just 6* Miho so I was pretty stoked at her rating. I’m pretty impressed by his ability to make things accessible and understandable even during segments such as these. He would be a great radio jockey!
I personally feel Jultan is at least A for guild wars. Speed lead, both skill defense breaks, and can stun with skill 2. I stuck some speed on mine, nothing amazing but he's over 200 speed and I've been enjoying him more than just a damage sponge.
Same can't fathom how jultan isn't A gw/arena tier yet fire werewolf is.
And he’s a dark tank for Loren defences
Jewbagel is only G1 so he doesn't face all these loren defs I guess
I agree...I use jultan in gwo/siege all the time...
hes def A now for PC10
Thnx for the usual, very accurate video. Would love to see you on Island grown's podcast ;)
Icaru: You guys always act like you're better than me!
Raoq, Kro, Belladeon, Ramahan: *wearing S and SSS tier sashes*
And now icaru is the best for db12 farm
You tier list is actually very clever, and usefull: Everyone makes TIER list based on RTA, an there are only 1% of players who do that kind of PVP, the resto of mortals do C1 or lower.
Thanks much appreciated.
One of the Adamson brothers here! Love your stuff Bagel & eager to see your theories on the new 6 video!
Love the content. I know it's mostly repetitive from the last 2a video, but things change and others are still worth repeating. :)
Any chance of us getting a video like this about the rune types? :)
Its a very good tier list, but its a little problematic not having (A or A-). For instance, Spectra now is SO SO SO strong in ToaH that I can't see her in the same "level" or some others of the (A+ PvE) tier.
Since its an "old" content people kind of overlook it, but for early/mid game she is amazing now, changed my runs from 4~5 trys (hard maps) to AutoPlay.
Good job Bagel, enjoyng watching your content :)
Wow I didnt know you were in a 7DS mobile ad until it played while I was watching this video, that's pretty cool man!
Cheers for the overview - great advice for focusing a second account - appreciated! Now go and make Labyrinth content!
Dang was so happy when I heard waifu tier list...😔😔
The dark fairy gives a silence and glance and decent damage, so it's great for getting that awesome damage in the light rift :) I got rank 8 with her
6:31 Very happy to hear that bacause i am building / leveling / 2a one right now
28:40 Glad to hear that too, because i am building one of those too
I just want to say ramahan is great and no regrets about him
I love him and use him all the time in siege in guild I like to pair him with a slow lushen and fast wind horus speed lead for the win
Man.. 4:19Am here in Italy, why am i watching this? I mean, i love you Bagel, but i need some sleep... Please.
Boy how much this list changed through patches and monsters being added, list would be (mostly) all shuffled now
Yeah
Any chance we see an updated 2A tier list with the missing mons added? Or has it already been done and I just need to search through your content better? :P
This is not about 2A units, but i`d like to ask if you could do a showcase on the fire babaric king. I wanna know if his 3rd Skill ignores Triana, Miho and Garo Passive. Thanks!
nice video dude! really good this tier list
Hey Bagel, does it make sense to redo this list as the b12 and the artifact dungeons just came out?
elle est cool ta video mec continue comme sa tes le meilleur
which is the software used for doing the tier list? the black bars??? thanks
Nice video! Can you make a 2A Ursha video please!
Nice video great personality 🔥
JewBagle: I’m not here to say which monsters I am the most attracted to
Also JewBagle : 27:07
You. I like you.
Yup. Repeats a PvE only monster if soooooo SSS, including in PvE, PvE and Pve. Not that good either. Well XD that's human
Funny enough i did try wind cat for rta/gw for awhile. 119 base speed and 100% crit is crazy nice. Now shes being tested for a front line r5 build. Which is going well.
Thanks Bagel, was always confused on which 2A'd mon to build and didn't want to waste Energy/Time on a Potato Tiered Mon :D
Icaru sitting in C Tier and now theyre speedrunning DB12
So glad Fire Inu is at the top. I was worried he would be at the bottom and all my effort would be for nothing
Hey Bagel, can you make a new video for F2P teams for TOA/H, Rift beasts, DB/G and which 4-5* that can replace? At least the F2P part!
Like a vid on which monsters are worse as 2nd awaken w/o skill-ups. I.e., Bernard would not have reducing cool down and damage buffs so is he really better 2nd awaken?
Did you take down your video that showed all of the future 2nd awakenings? Can’t find it for the life of me
Edit: I WAS SO HAPPY WHEN HE PUT WIND INU IN S TIER I LOVE THIS DOGGO.
I like these long videos. I learn a lot (pretty noob), and I always get a little disappointed whenever you interrupt yourself saying "But I can't talk about that all day. Look at the time. Gotta go fast".
Icaru (blue inugami) actually got me from B+ to an S score in fire rift beast, and that was before the 2nd awakening, when its MAX Def bonus that I could build was +2247. Now with the second ability, which takes on more partners, and with dark Harpu, I have gotten to a 1:17 time on necropolis B10.
I sure hope one day people find a use for icaru
What is this program you are using here to drag and drop units?
I wanna make Icaru work, I wanna know how the devs intended to use him, 'cause all the puppy dogs are amazing units, I refuse to believe otherwise !
now you can right?haha
I have built an Icaru because I thoughtt he looks cool. Since then I have found out that he is a pretty good paired up with a Woosa to remove that one turn gap from the Immunity and also provide a speed lead and defense break. Not S tier or anything but actually usable.
Me- 2A tier list? Should be a nice and easy watch
*sees 38 minutes*
Me- I’ll take the challenge you evil bastard!
Bagel does the new Com2us video mean that the game is going to hell or we are in hell
You never talk too much for me bagel. You have to talk more, give me all of your wisdom and knowledge!!!
im actually wondering how u got that template
I’m pretty starter into the game but I want to do a secondary awakening should I do it on Bella
Btw works the awakening power for 2a's too?
I use the water inugami with feng yan and emma for gw/siege offence, i honestly, love him, such an underated unit, that counter buff on every attack is underated, and he has self attack buff and def break as well, truly underrated
I agree , one of highest win rate to rune/monster quality ratio is my velaj emma icaru. the ratio is comparable to copper dozer teams
is 4444 still active? watched your 2015 vid and found it and just wondering if it is still active.
random question what is the song at 37:50 called?
Bagel look at the 6 in the events page, what does it mean!?!?!
6 Years of getting butt fucked by Come2us... Or a jump from the current version (5.3.x) to version 6 with a massive update... But I'd stick with the first theory...
6 year anniversary?
I’m curious how has this changed since the most recent update with b12s coming out
are we going to get an updated version of this??
My first ever time to comment on a tier list. Yo the wind werewolf is good!!! How dare you put the water war bear avbove him - that is tragic. Also Jultan is straight up awesome in guild content at the moment. He is great vs Loren and also Miho (def break, healblock, DoT, and built with low CR normally). WTF - Shannon! Above Jultan - I am crying inside.
well done video thank you bagel
Miho obviously the S tier pick for practical use
and waifu tier list
Icaru is good in the Tricarus strategie. It is one of the best strategies for cairos and fire beast
In addition that 2A wind fairy do damage to R5 boss according to debuffs, her s1 also push boss atb to zero because the boss can not be stunned 🙂
Also Naomi has branding on her multihit and the same passive as Mina except 100% cr if the enemy DOES have debuffs.
How do you use this tier list?
Like how can I access these templates?
Just wanted to add to this tier list light griffin is definitely useful and against that SSS tier dark cat in siege try it out :)
good to hear that 2 of my fav 2as are SSS Tier
What is that Tier template software??
this was indeed very enlightening. Given hoe precious second awakening resources are, it's good to know where to apply them best
Fire inugami is my favourite, he saved my time alot, clean and clean
Hey Guys, what is ''6'' from Summoners War ? its in the Event Page , Bagel did you have any Idea ?
My favorite videos are the theory crafting vids.
I'm surprised at how low you put Jultan especially considering you've 2a'd 3 of them on your main
Hey bagel (and all), question, does water mystic witch and her 2nd (toad poison, if I recall) work well against DB10? Right crystal gives immunity, but her S2 blocks beneficial effects. Does it prevent the dragon from getting that immunity, or does it overrule that debuff?
She can remove the immunity,won't prevent the tower from giving immunity, the tower removes every debuffs including her block if it's on the dragon, she's good in urly db10 but falls short afterwards
ierbutza21 wow, that kinda sucks then. Thanks mate
wind Inugami is one of my main Seige/GW offence team. along Gany/Olivia and Bella/any defbreak.
i like that there is a crit counter in the game
when this was uploaded tricaru wasn't a thing probably?
Jultan is much more relevant in guild wars than fire werewolf though, budget rakan is yay but rakan is already pretty unused in gw for a reason :x
Though I don't understand why Mina (also she's a miho counter if you put one debuff) isn't SSS, yes she's not great in pve but neither is miho and she's up there :s Same for elucia!
Varus isn't great, maybe A+ Gw but not much better than that
The rest seem pretty solid otherwise o:
I stored my dear dark cat for two years... and now im so happy that monster that i Love so much since i started to play is finnally useful
true m2 xd
Just came back and then looking at my meme arena defense from way back then of mihos im like, stuck it rich baby
Im using varus on rage speed crit dmg def but Id like to see a video about him.
could actually spectra replace gany in a gemini or tiana comp?
FYI - Crushing hits kill dark cat easily. Orion, Gemini, and Draco all guarantee a crushing hit on S2.
Can this please be done again with the new units to help a new player out? It's been almost a year :)
Would Aeilene be good in Necropolis?
I use Naomi in Siege and Guild wars a lot. Naomi (L) Fran Loren is really good team against Khmun Skogul Vigor defences. With defense break and slow debuff, my cat one-shots 90% of skoguls, and vigor is a guaranteed kill. Also thanks for Naomi I finally finished Arena in C1
Is there any news on more second awakening? I need my lulu!
And now there is 8 months later
LoL i was asking on SeanB for a tierlist for 2A and BOOM we got it with Bagel :)
can u make a nat 5 tier list again?
Im kinda new, what does NAT mean?
im waiting for a video with the 6 from com2us solved jew i know you are trying to figure it out for the last couple of hours
Ayyy I'm early for bagelfarts
I builded a Cheryl and i use her on bomb stages of Laby. Not much of a use, but she's still fairly decent.
which monsters are getting 2A next?
one of the best counter to the dark mc is no crit rate
Pulled a blue cat - thinks nice food for Miho - realized I hadn't deselected last mon too late and watched a nat2 eat both. Cried a lot and wrote large stickit note on monitor - "LOCK GOOD MONS". Cried some more
Wow how this has changed with the new update
2a Tatu is op, even with 5* and some ok runes she increased my time in completion toah
TOAH: 2A P, Fire dryad/dark Grimm reaper, Baretta, Vero, Spectra. ?