Wait, didn't Erso actually include all the necessary data with the original communication, but it got blown up with Jedha and that's where Jyn had to start trying to convince the Alliance that she was telling the truth?
He wasn't bad, but he didn't look fully human either. It was jarring when he was fully emoting. It would be a good effect for androids or literally anything else, but not for humans.
Bail Organa isn't talking about Wedge Antilles. He's talking about Cpt. Raymus Antilles, he was the captain of the ship Leia was on when Vader boarded them.
Tom Miller people seem to have widely different views of this. i think Tarkin looks just horrible, every scene with him took me right out of the movie, i would have much preferred for him to not be included at all rather then this. it may be good cgi, but it still looks bad. nothing like an actual human.
I completely bought Tarkin when he first appeared, as it went on I noticed the CG a little bit more but it in no way bothered me or took away from him at all. I genuinely appreciate the effort that it took to include Tarkin when they very easily could have (and I fully expected them to) just ignore Tarkin entirely or find interesting ways to cut around him or other characters. When he came on screen I remember covering my mouth in disbelief. Incredible animation.
I'm 95 percent sure no one in the empire knew about the flaw. they just knew the rebels wanted the plans. gale urso died before he was able to tell crennic what happened or about the flaw. I think jyn tells him right before he gets shot at the end, so it doesn't matter. the empire has no idea.
tehCostHD The empire does figure it out right before the flaw is triggered in a new hope. An aid walks up to Tarkin and asks if he wants his shuttle prepared because they analyzed the plans and found the weakness.
MrTopher1138 why didn't they analyze the plans the day before the fired up the Death Star for the first time, it makes no sense, there was no reason to make this movie other than the billion dollars they will bank because of this piece of shit movie
tehCostHD the movie was trash, who cares why he sent the message, it was a bad movie, most honest fans think so, you sick fanboys will buy any piece of trash they throw at you
its was only awesome because of who vader is in the trilogy. there are many movies where someone is all-powerful and they're flinging people into walls. but this meant more. because of the trilogy.
That was the best part, they really reinfored that Vader is an evil villain that you don't wanna root for it. That scene was just gnarly start to finish.
Yea i was amazed by that scene probably the most rawest thing ever. While it was happening i thought of awesome songs to go with the thrashing i just witnessed haha.
real glad everyone else quickly brushed passed tim's gay comment about baze & chirrut. i get tired of ppl insinuating, whether straight, gay or w/e, that just because two characters in a story share a strong, loving bond, it must be romantic.
jbaysik I honestly didn't understand that lol Tim's comment was dumb.. to me the two guys were just good friends that stayed friends from the temple and he was joking that he took care of him and watched his back cause he was blind.. i didn't think they were gay one time... And this was so irritating hearing Colin... Colin complaining as always about total nonsense... I mean shut up jeez... I seriously almost cut the video off when he was bitching about seeing C3PO R2D2 everyone... No one but him is so OCD and complains.. watch the movie and shut up already jeez
If people's comments and thoughts about a film annoys you so much and how you put it "watch the movie and shut up already" THEN WHY ARE YOU ON A FUCKING REACT VIDEO! Seriously if you have an issue about that why are you watching a vid of peoples thoughts and reactions, that's just dumb as fuck. How about you just watch the movie and shut the fuck up complaining about other peoples views on the movie.
DJreject101 I'm here to watch it and hear their thoughts smart ass, but he does this with EVERYTHING.. And what he is doing is nitpicking the damn movie... So no I won't.. like you if I don't like what he is saying I'm gonna comment... He doesn't just do this about one or two things... IT IS EVERTHING ALL THE TIME... Don't worry about what I think.. I had a issue with Colin so I expressed it on here.. I forget though this is the internet and people like you think ur not allowed to do that
I never picked up on any gay vibes between the blind dude and the machine-gunner. I kind of assumed they were really close old friends who used to serve at the temple but now they are without purpose so one of them became cynical while the other put all his energy into hope and the force. I'm not exactly sure what gave you the impression they are gay... if it's the fact that he insults the blind dude a lot and seems to know a lot about him that's probably because they are like two old war buddies who no longer have an army and even though they often get on each others nerves they are the only true family they have left. If it's the fact that the blind guy wanders off and then says he has the other dude to protect him I think that's more of a reference to him being blind and that even though the other dude doesn't want to admit it he views him as a friend and isn't as impartial as he tries to make himself out to be.
Colin, in point to Tarkin knowing the plans (weakness) for the Death Star, yet still pushing it ahead is true to his cocky nature. His arrogance shown in A New Hope proves he doesn't believe he and the Empire can be stopped anyway
This is the film that emphasizes the Wars in Star Wars. You feel the stakes and the brutal arena that is a war zone in a way you've never felt in a Star Wars film before. Vader at the end accentuated that feeling because he's a guy who is effortlessly powerful. When he walks into a room, your life is in his hands, and you can only live if he allows it. However, the film does have its problems. I think the characters, while satisfactory, weren't that interesting for the most part. I liked them well enough (especially K-2SO and the blind warrior), but I never felt that they had a strong team dynamic. Jyn Erso felt very bland to me, and the only reason I liked her was because she was played by Felicity Jones. I thought Cassian had a nice little character arc, and he spoke the most about the desperation of the rebellion and how they aren't just the ideal good guys that they feel like on the original trilogy. All in all, the film was good, and shows that the series is on a good track. I'm with Colin on the Han/Lando film though. I have no interest in that whatsoever. It will probably be good, but the basic premise does not excite me. I want something new with new characters that adds to this universe. Don't care to see young Han Solo and young Lando Calrissian.
Tim and Nick, thank you for bringing up the score. I loved this movie but that score had me tearing my hair out. I literally dropped my popcorn the first time I heard it. Just felt wrong. It felt like someone parodying the real Star Wars score.
Agreed. Ever since they released those little samples on the Star wars TH-cam channel I was worried about the score. Unfortunately it was either totally forgettable or just didn't have a Star Wars feel to it.
I'm with you....I think people are confusing the Vader in their minds with the Vader that actually exists in the films. Vader isn't quipy, but he also isn't above a one-liner either.
wasn't he going to say how to blow the death star up in the message but it got cut out due to the explosion? I thought that was why they had to get the physical plans
I don't know if Donnie Yen's character and that scruffy gun wielding dude were gay... Like they seemed close, but I didn't really see anything beyond brotherly war buddy love... I guess it can be open ended. I didn't see the connection though.
Carson Smith yeah, there's no romance in this movie, yes even with Jyn and Kassian (actually confirmed), its all about camaraderie, sacrifice and hope, and that's what's actually important isn't it?
Most of the planets were talked about before hand. I think relying on title card allows you to be sloppy with editing because you dont have to rely on good editing to let people know where they are.
The title cards helped me follow the film, it made it easier to know the locations of where they were. For instance, when Tarkin gives the order to destroy "Scariff", I knew beforehand because of the title cards that he was talking about the planet/moon that the rebels were on. Without the title cards, I may not have immediately recognized the significance of what was going on there.
Am I the only one who wasn't that impressed? Totally respect the guys' views, but it's obvious this movie was cut heavily to focus more on the action, and character development suffers as a result. "Little sister"? come on, that was not earned AT ALL, they hardly even interacted! The Force Awakens relied a lot on nostalgia, but it was an excellent film by itself. It had characters, humor, and great pacing. Rogue one has only nostalgia, and some great action scenes. Also CG Tarkin and Leia were awful and distracting, we're just not there yet with the technology to make it believable. Sorry if this comes out as negative and/or trollish, just my honest opinion.
Orillion I completely agree. The lame cliches took me out of it and I didn't feel attached to a single character. That being said the last 5 minutes were pretty incredible and built on the legacy of Darth Vader.
Yeah, Darth Vader was awesome at the last few minutes and it was probably the best scene in the entire movie. Of course they ruined it with creepy CGI-Leia-tron
I agree partly with Colin about Vader, where that middle scene in the movie was not necessary, but seeing him at the end was freaking awesome and it's okay it was there. Only hearing Tarkin say Vader will take care of the Fleet, and then you see that scene where he turns his lightsaber on and thats the first time you see Vader would've been amazing.
He was trying to give them the infomation but the recording was cutoff when Jeddah was destroyed. The father did not have the secret plans on hand as they were kept offsite in a much higher security facility where they keep all their sensitive intel. Also They explained that the plans for the death star are so large that it can't be transmitted by standard discreet means. hence the large drive and requirement of the dish to send it.
EwanMakeMovies different strokes for different folks. I think this movie was way more original than force awakens. TFA just has waaaaaaay too many New Hope beats and vibes.
+Carlos Mendoza Yup, even the parallels to the originals were justified because this was the direct prequel to ANH. TFA was supposed to be something new and original but ended being a retread with a new coat of paint.
Score wasn't great, too much Tarkin (they should've focused on his face only once or none at all), etc., but the ending makes up for ALL OF IT. Vader was straight out of a horror film. It was, without a doubt, my FAVORITE scene in all of Star Wars. V Rogue One IV VI VII
I don't know why Colin complains about cameos they do it because people enjoy seeing old characters it doesn't need to contribute to the plot it's pure fan service and I loved it and so do most people
One thing I disagree with about the "Why didn't he just tell them about the exhaust port." The exhaust port isn't the weakness he was describing. He said a pressurized explosion in one particular part of the reactor would start a chain reaction. He made it so subtle that he couldn't tell them how to do it, just that it was possible. That's why they had to get the plans. They needed to find a way to exploit the flaw he built in. And remember, the exhaust port was impossibly small to hit with a proton torpedo. Not the most easily exploitable flaw because it would not have been possible without Luke's use of the Force. Since he would have assumed that no one could hit it, he wouldn't have mentioned it.
I think that Casian had the best character intro. You instantly know that he's a spy, not a soldier and exactly the lengths he will go to. It's so great.
Loved the movie, and really loved your discussion. Still can't get over the studio. I listen to a lot of your stuff via podcast, so when I watch the videos.. god damn guys. You're doing great work!
The thing that everybody seems to fly right past is that this movie completely retcons the very nature of the Death Star's fatal weakness. The auxiliary thermal exhaust port is silly, sure. But it's a two meter wide hole, shielded against blasters, almost impossible to dunk a torpedo into, on a massive space station covered in enough turbolasers to vaporize an entire fleet from stand-off range, and all it does it hook up into the station's main exhaust. The REAL trap is that Galen deliberately engineered the _Death Star's reactor_ such that a single pressurized explosive could destabilize the whole thing and the station would blow itself to bits. And *nobody noticed*. Not even the audience.
The pacing and editing really bothered me in the first half. I didn't really feel much of an emotional connection to the characters either. Thankfully the second half was much smoother. And of course there's that Vader scene at the end. I wish I hadn't seen any trailers though. 6.5/10 for me. Which is actually pretty good, since this year had a lot of stinkers. I saw around thirty movies this year and I didn't enjoy more than half of them.
I'm with you. This movie is good but I like TFA more. My favorite stuff Star Wars is the force, lightsabers and character progression. Obviously that wasn't what this movie was meant to be but I care way more about TFA characters than these ones. I could only remember the names of like 3 new characters in this one.
Regarding the issue of delivering the plans, Galen was on Eadu and I had assumed the Empire keeps that data of Scarif. He would likely no longer have access to his files to physically distribute them since the Death Star was then finished.
The fact that you can have such an in-depth discussion of tiny details in the movie and they tie in beautifully to the other movies just shows how much better this was than The Force Awakens
I thought it was great, always interesting to hear the guy's opinions. It's clear that nostalgia is a much bigger factor for some people than it is for others
20:00 (SPOILERS!!!) Didn't his hologram message get cut off during the destruction of that city and the surroundings including Saw's place?? So maybe he did add valuable information and the tape got destroyed before it could get to that. I can't remember exactly, I do remember however the hologram getting fuzzy and all that. And assuming his message did get cut off... it would also make sense to add where and how to get the actual plans and add it at the beginning of the message as a valuable back-up. I will remember to watch out for that detail the next time I watch it.
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On Colin issue with Jyms father not sending the message, it is my understanding that he did on the message received by Saw Guerra and shown to Jyn, but it got lost in the blast from the Death Star
joe haley why was it the only planet they didn't name with the little title? It also looked a little different from how Mustafar appeared in Ep. III. It was either sloppy or a strange choice...
He may not have given the precise instructions in the message because if the message got intercepted then the empire could have learned about the specific weakness and solved or fixed it. It buys the rebellion time.
I saw it earlier today and I'm still feeling the chills from the last 2 minutes of the movie, man the movie's intensity scales up like an exponent curve and never goes down. What I want to add is, this movie gives me great hope that disney knows what they're doing. They are able to take star wars in a new direction and go down a new path of maturity and brutality in a post game of thrones world where the audience are expecting you to bring in some horrors-of-war aspect and not feel sorry for killing off your favorite characters for the grand scheme of the plot. The audience of these films are the same people who played with lightsabers as a kid, grew up on disney animated movies, plays pokemon games and jrpgs, but also appreciates a thinking man's story when given one because we have grown up into adults, and that's what I'm optimistic about. Now I can't wait for what Rian Johnson will bring next year and continue to elevate the movies.
Anecdote on Tarkin effect: It was super jarring to me and I thought I would have to explain to my GF why there was a CG man randomly in the movie (Just find an actor like they did with Mothma). When I brought it up to her, she totally didn't know what I was talking about. She didn't even notice that Tarkin was CG.
Flounderboy15 I didn't mind Tarkin in this movie. Sure, it did look a little out of place, but I could stop smiling when he was on screen. Tarkin is my favorite character in any Star Wars movie and I have no problem with him or the CG
I promise you, unless you know that the actor is dead, people will not notice the CGI. The only reason why WE as fans notice, is because our eyes are so focused on the flaws and know what we saw is impossible.
they knew about the flaw in episode 4 including Tarkin they were talking about the rebels knowing the weakness of the death star and were debating the probable dangers and the fact if it even represents danger of it which is in the meeting where vader is first choking the guy that makes fun of his "ancient religion" thing
Yes, you can! On a 32GB flashdrive! Schematics are really small files. Also, they are able to send the files online in seconds, so they could not be large enough that you needed that ginormous cassette to put them in. It's all for the sake of plot contrivance conviniences.
I saw this movie in true 70 mm IMAX. it was crazy because the grain of the film really made certain scenes look like it was shot in the 70s. if someone lined up the cockpit shots with shots from New Hope, it would have been hard to tell the difference.
I'd love to hear other people's opinion on this . . . especially the Kinda Funny crew . . . but what if Tarkin was an ever evolving effect, meaning with each subsequent release of Rogue One, they improve it?? I think the technology isn't quite there yet, so it is quite jarring, but it's almost there. Example, in 5 years they release an 8K blu ray special edition or something along those lines, and they've further improved Tarkin, and by the next release a few years later he's indistinguishable from the real thing? The technology will improve so why keep the technology stuck in 2016 with the uncanny valley, when by 2026 we'll have the tech to do it perfectly? It's not something that needs to be preserved. . . it's something that can be improved upon imo.
Colin is so right about the vader part, that final part would have been the best scene in the movie, but i can't denie that i love to see him striking so much fear into Cremick in his lair
I didn't have tix until 2 hours before. I LITERALLY caught the 2 am showing just to watch this as soon as possible. Because I fucking love Star Wars and I fucking love you guys.
Episode III is one of my favorites. I think it is the only prequel that you should watch to wrap up to a new hope. It had great moments that are definitely worth watching imo.
Dont forget that the Vader/Dracula scene plays along with horror-movie-like music. That was just brilliant! After all, for the poor rebel soldiers, it's like they're being attacked by some sort of supernatural monster (in fact, that's what Vader is, as Jedi powers are supernatural and fuck midiclorians to Hell). It's like in Phanton Menace when Qui-Gon is cutting the blast doors of the Trade Federation ship with his lightsaber and the Trade Federator guy is like "The're still coming through!" which looked to me like a nod to Forbidden Planet, as though normal people would see guys like Jedi, with their superpowers, as some sort of monsters (again, which in fact they are).
13 mins into this and im wondering if they realise Peter Cushing (Tarkin) is dead. They didnt just have to make him look younger or anything, they had to build from scratch.
24:00 Well considering that he was the chief engineer you'd assume he would be on board a couple of times. Wouldn't be a good idea if they did tests, while he was on board. Not that he would mind sacrificing his life for what he stood for. But you'd still want to live long enough to fight for your cause.
So Erso designed the reactor, not the entire Death Star. Erso was letting them know that hitting the reactor will cause a chain reaction. The plans to the Death Star needed to be analyzed in order to find the most effective way to start the chain reaction. These plans were kept off-site, and Erso didn't have copies because he only developed the laser.
No one in the Empire knew about the flaw in the Death Star. Krennic only found out about the flaw when Jyn Erso told her. The reason he was on the Scarif planet was trying to figure out what was going on.
The crawl would be the plot of the excellent novel, Catalyst: A Rogue One Novel. Definitely helps flesh out Galen and Krennic's relationship. Definitely glad I read it before seeing the movie.
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Organa never referenced Wedge. The problem is that the captain of the Tantive IV, and Wedge, both have the same last name (Antilles). Organa was probably talking about the captain of the Tantive IV.
I am one with the Force. The Force is one with me.
I am one with the Force. The Force is one with me.
The Lifestream the force is with me, and I am one with the force
You are talking about midichlorians, right?
That line was so cringeworthy for how often it was used.
Ich bin mit der Macht und die Macht ist mit mir.
Wait, didn't Erso actually include all the necessary data with the original communication, but it got blown up with Jedha and that's where Jyn had to start trying to convince the Alliance that she was telling the truth?
cormyat07 Thank you! I'm glad that someone else caught that.
cormyat07 what this guy says.
Have to disagree, Tarkin really wasn't that bad
He wasn't bad, but he didn't look fully human either. It was jarring when he was fully emoting. It would be a good effect for androids or literally anything else, but not for humans.
Leia looked way worse to me. I didn't realize Tarkin was full CG face until I was reading a review today.
Interestingly enough I thought Leia looked better, but you really only see her for 3 seconds where with Tarkin he has maybe 8 minutes of screen time?
IconicZ X love Tarkin.
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The last 5 minutes were fucking hype af.
HYPE AF!
George Burchmore i got scared for the rebels.
George Burchmore my mouth was on the floor.
Not a damn clue why Tim thinks they are gay
Yeah... not really sure how he gets that idea. Thinking hes just hoping to see some sort of social justice where there is none.
cos he's an idiot.
David McKinstry pretty sure he was joking
Pretty sure he wasn't
The motion capture for Tarkin and Leia didn't bother me at all
so apparently I was the only one that thought it was awesome showing gold leader and red leader. plus blue milk!
Zobbtuna omg i was freaking out when they showed up!
Zobbtuna Yeah! The blue milk, I liked that.
Zobbtuna and Red Five died in the attack, opening the position for Luke in A New Hope! Awesome stuff
What's the blue milk thing?
asimb0mb the original star wars movie, you'll see Luke with his family drink blue milk. Blue milk was also seen at the begining of Rogue One.
Everyone seems to hate the choke line but imo it was cool to see a remnant of Anakin come out.
Yeah, I thought it was similar to the "Apology accepted, Captain Needa" line in ESB.
Galaxy it was nice to see
Galaxy He can't stand sand...
Bail Organa isn't talking about Wedge Antilles. He's talking about Cpt. Raymus Antilles, he was the captain of the ship Leia was on when Vader boarded them.
am I the only one who really liked Tarkin and Leia being shown?
Didn't bother me in the slightest.
completely agree. tarkin was great
Tom Miller people seem to have widely different views of this. i think Tarkin looks just horrible, every scene with him took me right out of the movie, i would have much preferred for him to not be included at all rather then this.
it may be good cgi, but it still looks bad. nothing like an actual human.
I completely bought Tarkin when he first appeared, as it went on I noticed the CG a little bit more but it in no way bothered me or took away from him at all. I genuinely appreciate the effort that it took to include Tarkin when they very easily could have (and I fully expected them to) just ignore Tarkin entirely or find interesting ways to cut around him or other characters. When he came on screen I remember covering my mouth in disbelief. Incredible animation.
Tarkin could been used less but it didn't bother me, Leia on the other hand I literally jumped out of my seat because it looked spot on
The first actual "war movie" in the Star Wars series
Brianstorm And it was straight up awesome.
Did any anyone else notice that planet Waboni is an anagram of Obi-Wan? I thought that was interesting.
WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATTTTTT, Just noticed that now, thanks for the mind blowing info, this is awesome.
mariodelbarrio32k u mean that planet with the fallen Jedi looking rock?
nik beauchemin perhaps. I don't really remember the planet too well because I was trippin on the name.
I'm 95 percent sure no one in the empire knew about the flaw. they just knew the rebels wanted the plans. gale urso died before he was able to tell crennic what happened or about the flaw. I think jyn tells him right before he gets shot at the end, so it doesn't matter. the empire has no idea.
plus it was already fucking built its not like they could do anthing about it
tehCostHD The empire does figure it out right before the flaw is triggered in a new hope. An aid walks up to Tarkin and asks if he wants his shuttle prepared because they analyzed the plans and found the weakness.
MrTopher1138 I meant within the rouge one movie.
MrTopher1138 why didn't they analyze the plans the day before the fired up the Death Star for the first time, it makes no sense, there was no reason to make this movie other than the billion dollars they will bank because of this piece of shit movie
tehCostHD the movie was trash, who cares why he sent the message, it was a bad movie, most honest fans think so, you sick fanboys will buy any piece of trash they throw at you
Darth Fucken Vader. what a scene.
Iván M.R. His one liner made me cringe though.
Jaybib he says something like "be careful not to choke on your aspirations" while force choking krennic.
Jaybib yeah, it's subjective I suppose. That final scene with Vader was hella boss though.
its was only awesome because of who vader is in the trilogy. there are many movies where someone is all-powerful and they're flinging people into walls. but this meant more. because of the trilogy.
Didn't the hologram transmission cut off, thats why they needed more info.
they knew its weak-spot but they needed the schematic plans of the Death star to know how to get to it and destroy it.
rogue one was dope as fuck, last 20 mins i was practically standing in the theatre
That end Vader scene though... I saw the movie an hour ago and I still have goosebumps.
king_ryan_james that was so fucking badass
That was the best part, they really reinfored that Vader is an evil villain that you don't wanna root for it. That scene was just gnarly start to finish.
Yea i was amazed by that scene probably the most rawest thing ever. While it was happening i thought of awesome songs to go with the thrashing i just witnessed haha.
The ending to the movie, with Vader kicking ass and Leia was AWESOME
real glad everyone else quickly brushed passed tim's gay comment about baze & chirrut. i get tired of ppl insinuating, whether straight, gay or w/e, that just because two characters in a story share a strong, loving bond, it must be romantic.
jbaysik I honestly didn't understand that lol Tim's comment was dumb.. to me the two guys were just good friends that stayed friends from the temple and he was joking that he took care of him and watched his back cause he was blind.. i didn't think they were gay one time... And this was so irritating hearing Colin... Colin complaining as always about total nonsense... I mean shut up jeez... I seriously almost cut the video off when he was bitching about seeing C3PO R2D2 everyone... No one but him is so OCD and complains.. watch the movie and shut up already jeez
If people's comments and thoughts about a film annoys you so much and how you put it "watch the movie and shut up already" THEN WHY ARE YOU ON A FUCKING REACT VIDEO!
Seriously if you have an issue about that why are you watching a vid of peoples thoughts and reactions, that's just dumb as fuck.
How about you just watch the movie and shut the fuck up complaining about other peoples views on the movie.
DJreject101 I'm here to watch it and hear their thoughts smart ass, but he does this with EVERYTHING.. And what he is doing is nitpicking the damn movie... So no I won't.. like you if I don't like what he is saying I'm gonna comment... He doesn't just do this about one or two things... IT IS EVERTHING ALL THE TIME... Don't worry about what I think.. I had a issue with Colin so I expressed it on here.. I forget though this is the internet and people like you think ur not allowed to do that
I would have had absolutely NO problem if they were gay, but I didn't get that vibe either. They just seemed like cool friends.
thewsterdude I wouldn't have a problem with it either... and that is what I got as well... They were just long time friends...
Someone's gotta say it... it was just okay.
altoidyoda thankyou!! I thought I was the only one who thought this.
altoidyoda but its star wars, and we all know the okay turns into overhyped amazing because....star wars
altoidyoda okay for u. Get out of here with thinking your opinion is most valuable.
altoidyoda Someone's gotta say it...I don't think you are really Bob Ross...
How dare you, good sir!
I never picked up on any gay vibes between the blind dude and the machine-gunner. I kind of assumed they were really close old friends who used to serve at the temple but now they are without purpose so one of them became cynical while the other put all his energy into hope and the force. I'm not exactly sure what gave you the impression they are gay... if it's the fact that he insults the blind dude a lot and seems to know a lot about him that's probably because they are like two old war buddies who no longer have an army and even though they often get on each others nerves they are the only true family they have left. If it's the fact that the blind guy wanders off and then says he has the other dude to protect him I think that's more of a reference to him being blind and that even though the other dude doesn't want to admit it he views him as a friend and isn't as impartial as he tries to make himself out to be.
The crawl for Rogue One is Catalyst, the prequel book. SO worth reading.
Colin, in point to Tarkin knowing the plans (weakness) for the Death Star, yet still pushing it ahead is true to his cocky nature. His arrogance shown in A New Hope proves he doesn't believe he and the Empire can be stopped anyway
"Evacuate?! In our moment of triumph?! I think you overestimate their chances."
I loved the whole movie, including the facial recreations.
Are we going to get to the point in a couple months where every acts like rogue one is the worst movie of all time like TFA
Definitely. I mean, people were absolutely raving about Ep3.
Fiery Muffin - Lol right! What's bad is people had been trashing it already before it had even hit the theater
Not the worst movie of all time, but it's at a 66 on metacritic for a reason...
thewsterdude - Rotten Tomatoes it's sitting at a 84% and IMDb it's at 8.3 out of 10. Clearly there's something not adding up on Metacritic
Probably that 25 from San Francisco Chronicle bringing it down.
This is the film that emphasizes the Wars in Star Wars. You feel the stakes and the brutal arena that is a war zone in a way you've never felt in a Star Wars film before. Vader at the end accentuated that feeling because he's a guy who is effortlessly powerful. When he walks into a room, your life is in his hands, and you can only live if he allows it. However, the film does have its problems. I think the characters, while satisfactory, weren't that interesting for the most part. I liked them well enough (especially K-2SO and the blind warrior), but I never felt that they had a strong team dynamic. Jyn Erso felt very bland to me, and the only reason I liked her was because she was played by Felicity Jones. I thought Cassian had a nice little character arc, and he spoke the most about the desperation of the rebellion and how they aren't just the ideal good guys that they feel like on the original trilogy. All in all, the film was good, and shows that the series is on a good track. I'm with Colin on the Han/Lando film though. I have no interest in that whatsoever. It will probably be good, but the basic premise does not excite me. I want something new with new characters that adds to this universe. Don't care to see young Han Solo and young Lando Calrissian.
Tim and Nick, thank you for bringing up the score. I loved this movie but that score had me tearing my hair out. I literally dropped my popcorn the first time I heard it. Just felt wrong. It felt like someone parodying the real Star Wars score.
SOG323 same, it really hurt the movie
Agreed. Ever since they released those little samples on the Star wars TH-cam channel I was worried about the score. Unfortunately it was either totally forgettable or just didn't have a Star Wars feel to it.
SOG323 Yep Michael Giacchino had 4 weeks to score the entire film and it shows. Badly needed John Williams touch.
cmon I loved the vader "choke" line, and I'm one of the biggest star wars fans ever
Nah man, no good.
Yeah, I thought it was similar to the "Apology accepted, Captain Needa" line in ESB.
I'm with you....I think people are confusing the Vader in their minds with the Vader that actually exists in the films. Vader isn't quipy, but he also isn't above a one-liner either.
I thought it was cool when he said that.
wasn't he going to say how to blow the death star up in the message but it got cut out due to the explosion? I thought that was why they had to get the physical plans
42 min Star Wars video waiting for Greg to do his Watto impression and it doesn't happen...
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I don't know if Donnie Yen's character and that scruffy gun wielding dude were gay... Like they seemed close, but I didn't really see anything beyond brotherly war buddy love... I guess it can be open ended. I didn't see the connection though.
Carson Smith me neither felt like camaraderie
Yup, friendship, didn't seem like anything else.
Carson Smith yeah, there's no romance in this movie, yes even with Jyn and Kassian (actually confirmed), its all about camaraderie, sacrifice and hope, and that's what's actually important isn't it?
I think the crawl wasn’t needed, but I did highly miss the fades instead of hard cuts. I also didn’t think they needed title cards for planets.
Without the planet names it would have been hard to follow in the first half.
Most of the planets were talked about before hand. I think relying on title card allows you to be sloppy with editing because you dont have to rely on good editing to let people know where they are.
The title cards helped me follow the film, it made it easier to know the locations of where they were. For instance, when Tarkin gives the order to destroy "Scariff", I knew beforehand because of the title cards that he was talking about the planet/moon that the rebels were on. Without the title cards, I may not have immediately recognized the significance of what was going on there.
Am I the only one who wasn't that impressed? Totally respect the guys' views, but it's obvious this movie was cut heavily to focus more on the action, and character development suffers as a result. "Little sister"? come on, that was not earned AT ALL, they hardly even interacted!
The Force Awakens relied a lot on nostalgia, but it was an excellent film by itself. It had characters, humor, and great pacing. Rogue one has only nostalgia, and some great action scenes.
Also CG Tarkin and Leia were awful and distracting, we're just not there yet with the technology to make it believable.
Sorry if this comes out as negative and/or trollish, just my honest opinion.
Orillion I completely agree. The lame cliches took me out of it and I didn't feel attached to a single character. That being said the last 5 minutes were pretty incredible and built on the legacy of Darth Vader.
Yeah, Darth Vader was awesome at the last few minutes and it was probably the best scene in the entire movie. Of course they ruined it with creepy CGI-Leia-tron
Orillion Totally agree
what did u think of darth Vader cracking puns
franmonkey avil it was funny remember obi wan liked puns.
I agree partly with Colin about Vader, where that middle scene in the movie was not necessary, but seeing him at the end was freaking awesome and it's okay it was there. Only hearing Tarkin say Vader will take care of the Fleet, and then you see that scene where he turns his lightsaber on and thats the first time you see Vader would've been amazing.
The crawl for this could've been a summary of "Catalyst", the novel that sets up the events of Rogue One.
He was trying to give them the infomation but the recording was cutoff when Jeddah was destroyed. The father did not have the secret plans on hand as they were kept offsite in a much higher security facility where they keep all their sensitive intel. Also They explained that the plans for the death star are so large that it can't be transmitted by standard discreet means. hence the large drive and requirement of the dish to send it.
Bail Organa talks to Raymus Antilles the captain of Tantive IV, not Wedge Antilles
COLLLLLLLL, well said at the end regarding 'Empire' ... I LOVE that! :)
I'm with Gregg.
TFA over Rogue One any day.
EwanMakeMovies Same. Kylo Ren shouting "TRAITOR!" was better than anything in this one.
really? traitor was better than the last scene of this movie?
EwanMakeMovies different strokes for different folks. I think this movie was way more original than force awakens. TFA just has waaaaaaay too many New Hope beats and vibes.
+Carlos Mendoza Yup, even the parallels to the originals were justified because this was the direct prequel to ANH. TFA was supposed to be something new and original but ended being a retread with a new coat of paint.
EwanMakeMovies I strongly disagree.
I'm confused how this is a WAY darker movie than Force Awakens. Just cause characters die doesn't make it dark.
Gregory Lawrence the end where Vader just goes on a killstreak on rebels...that's why its darker just that one scene 😂😂
Score wasn't great, too much Tarkin (they should've focused on his face only once or none at all), etc., but the ending makes up for ALL OF IT. Vader was straight out of a horror film. It was, without a doubt, my FAVORITE scene in all of Star Wars.
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You guys didn't even mentioned the best character in the movie! K2-SO, he is going to be a memorial part of Star Wars. :)
Totally agree. It makes you see A New Hope and really all the rest of our, mostly invincible, favourite characters in a new light!
I don't know why Colin complains about cameos they do it because people enjoy seeing old characters it doesn't need to contribute to the plot it's pure fan service and I loved it and so do most people
People feel taken out of the world and lore if something is off. It's at the back of everyone's minds.
i don't.
Somehow they got through the whole podcast without spending the entire time talking about how cool the battle on Scarif was
Gregs face when Colin says seeing Leias buns from behind hahahaha
the last 5 minutes with Vader alone was worth all my money
One thing I disagree with about the "Why didn't he just tell them about the exhaust port." The exhaust port isn't the weakness he was describing. He said a pressurized explosion in one particular part of the reactor would start a chain reaction. He made it so subtle that he couldn't tell them how to do it, just that it was possible. That's why they had to get the plans. They needed to find a way to exploit the flaw he built in. And remember, the exhaust port was impossibly small to hit with a proton torpedo. Not the most easily exploitable flaw because it would not have been possible without Luke's use of the Force. Since he would have assumed that no one could hit it, he wouldn't have mentioned it.
Can't even put into words how perfectly they ended the movie man... One of the best experiences I've had in a theatre people were going crazy lol
Really satisfying to see you all talking about this movie. Thanks guys; you accurately captured my complete feelings about it
I think that Casian had the best character intro. You instantly know that he's a spy, not a soldier and exactly the lengths he will go to. It's so great.
Loved the movie, and really loved your discussion. Still can't get over the studio. I listen to a lot of your stuff via podcast, so when I watch the videos.. god damn guys. You're doing great work!
The thing that everybody seems to fly right past is that this movie completely retcons the very nature of the Death Star's fatal weakness.
The auxiliary thermal exhaust port is silly, sure. But it's a two meter wide hole, shielded against blasters, almost impossible to dunk a torpedo into, on a massive space station covered in enough turbolasers to vaporize an entire fleet from stand-off range, and all it does it hook up into the station's main exhaust.
The REAL trap is that Galen deliberately engineered the _Death Star's reactor_ such that a single pressurized explosive could destabilize the whole thing and the station would blow itself to bits.
And *nobody noticed*. Not even the audience.
Look for the force and you will always find me
The pacing and editing really bothered me in the first half. I didn't really feel much of an emotional connection to the characters either. Thankfully the second half was much smoother. And of course there's that Vader scene at the end. I wish I hadn't seen any trailers though.
6.5/10 for me. Which is actually pretty good, since this year had a lot of stinkers. I saw around thirty movies this year and I didn't enjoy more than half of them.
The most underrated movie in Star Wars by far is episode 3. Episode 3 is so amazing I love that movie.
I'm seeing a lot of "better then the Force Awakens" comments in reviews. I personally didn't think it was but looks like I'm in minority on that.
I agree, it was a very good movie but The Force Awakens is better. More memorable characters is the main reason.
NickBD It betters the force awakens in every way for me.
I'm with you. This movie is good but I like TFA more. My favorite stuff Star Wars is the force, lightsabers and character progression. Obviously that wasn't what this movie was meant to be but I care way more about TFA characters than these ones. I could only remember the names of like 3 new characters in this one.
Regarding the issue of delivering the plans, Galen was on Eadu and I had assumed the Empire keeps that data of Scarif. He would likely no longer have access to his files to physically distribute them since the Death Star was then finished.
The fact that you can have such an in-depth discussion of tiny details in the movie and they tie in beautifully to the other movies just shows how much better this was than The Force Awakens
I thought it was great, always interesting to hear the guy's opinions. It's clear that nostalgia is a much bigger factor for some people than it is for others
Krenic only finds out on the bridge when Jyn tells him just before he gets killed
20:00 (SPOILERS!!!) Didn't his hologram message get cut off during the destruction of that city and the surroundings including Saw's place?? So maybe he did add valuable information and the tape got destroyed before it could get to that. I can't remember exactly, I do remember however the hologram getting fuzzy and all that. And assuming his message did get cut off... it would also make sense to add where and how to get the actual plans and add it at the beginning of the message as a valuable back-up. I will remember to watch out for that detail the next time I watch it.
1. The Empire Strikes Back
2. Return of the Jedi
3. A New Hope
4. Revenge of the Sith
5. Rogue One: A Star Wars Story
6. The Force Awakens
7. The Phantom Menace
8. Attack of the Clones (also known as Anakin's Puberty)
Totally with Colin on the CG faces. Takes you straight out of the movie.
On Colin issue with Jyms father not sending the message, it is my understanding that he did on the message received by Saw Guerra and shown to Jyn, but it got lost in the blast from the Death Star
The pilot did deliver the plans with the Holo message from her father. They were blown up with the city.
I could listen to Colin talk about Star Wars for hours
God damn it was amazing.
I fucking loved the movie. I didn't notice the human CGI at all. And that ending. holy fuck.
SPOILER QUESTION
Was the lava planet Darth Vader was on Mustafar from Episode 3?
Yes, it was.
Yes
joe haley why was it the only planet they didn't name with the little title?
It also looked a little different from how Mustafar appeared in Ep. III.
It was either sloppy or a strange choice...
There were other planets shown without a title.
I believe that was Sauron´s tower, Vader was living in Mordor..... I am almost certain.
They've mention Wedge, I think when Organa was talking to Mon Mothma, he was called over the radio, that he has to go somewhere
That's not Wedge. It's a different Antilles.
He may not have given the precise instructions in the message because if the message got intercepted then the empire could have learned about the specific weakness and solved or fixed it. It buys the rebellion time.
This is definitely one of the best reacts from you guys. Really fun discussion!
Nick broke Colin's perception of everything with his Death Star idea😂
I saw it earlier today and I'm still feeling the chills from the last 2 minutes of the movie, man the movie's intensity scales up like an exponent curve and never goes down. What I want to add is, this movie gives me great hope that disney knows what they're doing. They are able to take star wars in a new direction and go down a new path of maturity and brutality in a post game of thrones world where the audience are expecting you to bring in some horrors-of-war aspect and not feel sorry for killing off your favorite characters for the grand scheme of the plot. The audience of these films are the same people who played with lightsabers as a kid, grew up on disney animated movies, plays pokemon games and jrpgs, but also appreciates a thinking man's story when given one because we have grown up into adults, and that's what I'm optimistic about.
Now I can't wait for what Rian Johnson will bring next year and continue to elevate the movies.
Anecdote on Tarkin effect: It was super jarring to me and I thought I would have to explain to my GF why there was a CG man randomly in the movie (Just find an actor like they did with Mothma). When I brought it up to her, she totally didn't know what I was talking about. She didn't even notice that Tarkin was CG.
Flounderboy15 I didn't mind Tarkin in this movie. Sure, it did look a little out of place, but I could stop smiling when he was on screen. Tarkin is my favorite character in any Star Wars movie and I have no problem with him or the CG
Jacob Shetterly I'm curious, why is Tarkin your favorite?
He is the only person that isn't the Emperor that Vader respects the authority of.
I promise you, unless you know that the actor is dead, people will not notice the CGI.
The only reason why WE as fans notice, is because our eyes are so focused on the flaws and know what we saw is impossible.
Also I think they're missing the point. 3po and R2 will be in every single Star Wars film as cameos or more, like a Stan lee cameo.
they knew about the flaw in episode 4 including Tarkin they were talking about the rebels knowing the weakness of the death star and were debating the probable dangers and the fact if it even represents danger of it which is in the meeting where vader is first choking the guy that makes fun of his "ancient religion" thing
Yes, you can! On a 32GB flashdrive! Schematics are really small files. Also, they are able to send the files online in seconds, so they could not be large enough that you needed that ginormous cassette to put them in. It's all for the sake of plot contrivance conviniences.
I didn't get any uncanny valley from Tarkin or Leia.
I saw this movie in true 70 mm IMAX. it was crazy because the grain of the film really made certain scenes look like it was shot in the 70s. if someone lined up the cockpit shots with shots from New Hope, it would have been hard to tell the difference.
I'd love to hear other people's opinion on this . . . especially the Kinda Funny crew . . . but what if Tarkin was an ever evolving effect, meaning with each subsequent release of Rogue One, they improve it?? I think the technology isn't quite there yet, so it is quite jarring, but it's almost there.
Example, in 5 years they release an 8K blu ray special edition or something along those lines, and they've further improved Tarkin, and by the next release a few years later he's indistinguishable from the real thing? The technology will improve so why keep the technology stuck in 2016 with the uncanny valley, when by 2026 we'll have the tech to do it perfectly? It's not something that needs to be preserved. . . it's something that can be improved upon imo.
The_Angry_Raccoon but we watched a version that didn't look real, so who gives a fuck
The_Angry_Raccoon id be ok with it when the new trilogy is done.
Colin is so right about the vader part, that final part would have been the best scene in the movie, but i can't denie that i love to see him striking so much fear into Cremick in his lair
They forgot about "Stardust".
That's how only Jyn knew where to look in the data archives for the Death Star plans/flaw.
I didn't have tix until 2 hours before. I LITERALLY caught the 2 am showing just to watch this as soon as possible. Because I fucking love Star Wars and I fucking love you guys.
Episode III is one of my favorites. I think it is the only prequel that you should watch to wrap up to a new hope. It had great moments that are definitely worth watching imo.
Dont forget that the Vader/Dracula scene plays along with horror-movie-like music. That was just brilliant! After all, for the poor rebel soldiers, it's like they're being attacked by some sort of supernatural monster (in fact, that's what Vader is, as Jedi powers are supernatural and fuck midiclorians to Hell). It's like in Phanton Menace when Qui-Gon is cutting the blast doors of the Trade Federation ship with his lightsaber and the Trade Federator guy is like "The're still coming through!" which looked to me like a nod to Forbidden Planet, as though normal people would see guys like Jedi, with their superpowers, as some sort of monsters (again, which in fact they are).
Vader did a MGS cyborg ninja corridor scene at the end.
I still hold to the theory that the hologram is a fake and Supreme Leader Snorkel is in fact Jar-Jar trying to avenge his dear Annie's death.
13 mins into this and im wondering if they realise Peter Cushing (Tarkin) is dead. They didnt just have to make him look younger or anything, they had to build from scratch.
The opening crawl could have been what was in the end of the catalyst book setting up the opening of the first scene
I liked the Tarkin cgi alot better than the very end cgi. Vader amazing.
24:00 Well considering that he was the chief engineer you'd assume he would be on board a couple of times. Wouldn't be a good idea if they did tests, while he was on board. Not that he would mind sacrificing his life for what he stood for. But you'd still want to live long enough to fight for your cause.
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Idk , he wanted to buy himself time 😂😂😂 I guess
So Erso designed the reactor, not the entire Death Star. Erso was letting them know that hitting the reactor will cause a chain reaction. The plans to the Death Star needed to be analyzed in order to find the most effective way to start the chain reaction. These plans were kept off-site, and Erso didn't have copies because he only developed the laser.
No one in the Empire knew about the flaw in the Death Star. Krennic only found out about the flaw when Jyn Erso told her. The reason he was on the Scarif planet was trying to figure out what was going on.
The droids were in the movie for literally a second. You are making too big a deal about how out of place they were. It was a great one second cameo.
I have so many Star Wars Rogue One toys, its ridiculous!
The crawl would be the plot of the excellent novel, Catalyst: A Rogue One Novel. Definitely helps flesh out Galen and Krennic's relationship. Definitely glad I read it before seeing the movie.
1. The Force Awakens
2. The Empire Strikes Back
3. Revenge of the Sith
4. A New Hope
5. Rogue One
6. Return of the Jedi
7 The Phantom Menace
8. Attack of the Clones
Organa never referenced Wedge. The problem is that the captain of the Tantive IV, and Wedge, both have the same last name (Antilles). Organa was probably talking about the captain of the Tantive IV.