@@LesleyOwen-p8m yes and no, Rolex is a type of MDMA pill yes. But in this case it means a watch. He's likely been shifting drugs for the guy who owned the rolex and jay has stolen it when they've been asleep and he's crashed there. They've probably woke up to make sure he's locked the door or something and noticed its gone. HOW they've dealt with that is anyones guess but it would explain why he was so scared walking back and why he chose to keep off the roads.
@@brettrigby2226 thats a lot of pills when you got no money and going home in a couple days a bag of pills that size wouldnt be easy to conceal when you wearing not much lol was Rolex even mentioned? i saw it was an AP that was mentioned
@@BeBooBoop his friends are no angels but who's the one missing.. he's not the only one to blame or being involved. So it's not fair for everyone to blame him. Two 40 year old guys should have been questioned more
@@nikkic1218his friends arnt the ones stolen the Rolex (wether it’s a watch or drug slang ) . But Jay put himself in danger stealing from high end gangsters
Seems weird these two middle aged men would choose to rent an Airbnb so remote too doesn't it! Very suspicious! Were they drug barons and Jay one of their pushers? Why are they classified as not relevant to the investigation? Surely they are the last to have seen him so very relevant. What about the rumours that messages saying Jay owed a lot of money to someone, and reportedly his family withdrawing £32,000 from the go fund me for some reason! All very suspicious indeed.
Look at the missing people in the UK. There isn't even one data base with information on them, just a "call us if you need to talk" message to the missing person. The UK is the worst for not caring about missing people.
Err apart from the 20K plus missing on the Highway of tears in the US or the 200K plus who go missing every year in the US or the tens of thousands of children kidnapped by the Mexican cartels and used for prostitution and work so no the UK isn't the worst and I don't know what this has got to do with the UK missing person services
The way he's trying to distance himself from the awful way hes spoke about the public, makes my skin crawl. Him and his TV plods have been awful to the public. People have said it how they see it. He's been more worried about his public image and now edging his bets incase the public are actually right.
Exactly so was Jay with a mind of a 14 year-old but really a man, Mr. J Slater, who was a sheep😮 the mother sounds like she was encouraging him to be one of the lads. He didn’t want to go to Tenerife that would’ve been a blessing to my ears if that was my son.
I'd be beyond scared if I had done something as stupid as stealing a 12k watch. Someone who can afford that, yeah, there's gonna be major consequences. I don't think this guy is ever coming back. And it's starting to unravel why he left the main road, people were absolutely after him if this theft of a 12k watch is true.
@@susanbishop5228 Susan! Asking question on yt and sm is part of an investigation? Where? How? Since when? Are you insane? Or just angry that the police did not brief you?
rickross The stats are not quite what they seem. Stats differ all the time theres no direct ultimat number, no exact matching form country to country. 60,000 will change in the blink of any eye when searched via google again. It simply cannot, will not ever be trusted no matter what location you try and search. Its terrible.
I don't ever make comment's on any social media because I don't like it and this will be the last time I do. Whether it's the drug's or the watch implications I believe the two men who last saw jay are in deep they have either told jay come with them and will sort things out and convinced him he was safe to lure him into the seat car without any struggle. Now they have him poor jay was doomed. The two men now have the power. You can only speculate what happened in the airhub until the woman rang the bell where qassim has to move his car, jay saw the opportunity to get out fast with this the two men went to pursue jay and found him the two men likely struggled with jay and bungled into the boot of the seat likely knocking jay unconscious then took jay to another location on the island to kidnap him or something a lot worse. Then the two men departed Tenerife hoping to carry on without any involvement. My love goes to jay's family.
He's been forced to send that text to make it look like he was lost in the mountains.....his last act before being murdered for losing or stealing their drugs.
Has it been confirmed it was a stolen watch? If Jay messaged something like, 'I got 12k Rolex...' it's a slang term for party pills. No point in searching mountains, he'd only have spent a short time out there- until some Bad Lads caught up with him and took him on a little boat ride. Drones won't find him. Fishing nets will...
Like I said before, there has been a number of murders/deaths in this exact same area, men of a similar age and yet nobody is doing their homework. Its been happening for years and the Tenerife cops do the same thing over and over. Pretend they are doing something when in fact they are doing nothing. That's why they were sitting around in the sun caught not searching, then all of a sudden case closed. This is bigger than I can deal with but journalists are not going in the right direction.
This lad was beaten up when he was 12 by three men in a car. He was with two other lads. No mention anywhere as to who the other lads were and what happened to them... If that had happened to my lad I would want to know why. I would want to know where he was every minute of every day from then on. When the parents ,mentioned this i though Why? Thought it might be in justification for why he was part of a gang beating people up. As in poor him this was caused by things done to him. To my discredit I immediately followed up with the though I bet every thing he has done has been some one elses fault. . This kid has been ferral and it shows..
I thought excatly the same. A vunreble target in nature. Perhaps judge knew this at the time. Most defo a consequence acting out his own traumatic experience at 12. 3 years into an apprenticeship bricklayer he was doing something right. Wondered if he had a hidden disability undiagnosed? Now not here to defend himself.
now entering Day 18, still no one knows the identity of 50% of the airbnb occupants. why did Jay go back with them and what happened at the airbnb before Jay left? knowing that, and all that was said between them, would lead us to where Jay is.
Maybe just a house party. I've done it on numerous occasions when I was in my twenties. You get chatting with people and then go back to carry on partying. It's been done since partying began. Why aren't people getting this?!
Mail Online this evening is reporting one of them is a convicted drug dealer, he served over 9 years for trying to flood Wales with class A drugs. The plot thickens!
It’s seems unlikely he had any issues with the gentleman’s he was staying with , I mean he was relaxing having a smoke in the photo outside they’re accommodation and then asked for a bus , it wasn’t as if he wasn’t allowed to leave they’re presence was it , he then strolled off after asking for the bus which is right next to the accommodation to were they were staying, so he was obviously willing to wait for one by asking but then choose not to !!, it’s extremely odd / mystery
@@nikko7507 "I can't go back there, I can't go back there" Jay said to Lucy, so he was fearful of returning, therefore surely glad to get out of there. having a smoke can indicate stress as much as relaxing. it depends.
I’ve actually had one girl apologise today who called me that when I mentioned the watch two weeks ago Another girl is still calling me a troll and saying this is just speculation 🤷🏾♂️
I know it's not nice to say however he attacked someone with a machete and then he's gone to Spain and nicked a watch I would say it sounds like someone who has a 12k Its a fuck about and find out I would say they will have had a quiet chat in his ear and it's unlikely he will be seen again
Because rolex is code for cocaine and his friend lucy is not his friend, she's a mule and she recruited him, she has to make up stories to distance herself, she knows exactly what has happened, the whole story has been fabricated
I think that Lucy and his other friend know what has happened to Jay and his parents know too and all of a sudden they've withdrawn the money from the go fund me page and his mother went for a manicure instead of looking for her son
I was convinced he was missing right at the start then the go fund me was set up that's when I got suspicious. Then the mother withdrew it and the family went to Spain with it that's when the hell no kicked in with me.
My two cents is he robbed stuff from the BnB and went to leave on the sly, the lads drove after him and said jump in I'll give you a lift, then possibly battered and killed him, either way unfortunately I think he's gone.
The guy has said that they took him back to there’s because he’s friends left him there, they gave him a blanket , but why didn’t jay just go back to hes hotel which was right by the rave ?
@@thomasczthomash1859gd point, u can end up on magical missions, I mean one time, personally, I went from Newcastle to Glasgow, a good 150 mile trip there, rave finishes in Newcastle, had a party, Glasgow lot was heading home, we went bk with them., 24 hours later, the worlds changed plus, 150 miles away from home 😂 I was sober driver, rest were on it, but even sober, was up for the mission, never mind been on gear and the love buzz.... Unless, Jay was led there and had no choice, held by his own rights and, was instructed time to time, when to send up dates, held hostage,.. I mean, What condition was Jay in leaving b n b, and to his final GPS spot, any witness see him, was he good... Any blood, or just a lost party rocker, trying find his way home. As thus stage, very difficult to say who is guilty, and how, because until body is found, I think, no answer. Either turn up alive, or, body be found. Could suicide be a idea, what was mental health state of Jay in past, has he ever been depressed, ever had thoughts of ending life, he may have Even took his own life, I really hope not, but, definitely search all. Woodland areas and look up, because I know a few folks, who entered the woods, and didnt come out
Aye it's as command as yours jack lololol one of my lads is a jack I did think of calling him ayub but I thought no everybody and is cousin is called that I'll call him by his dad John's other name jack
Yes and why did the main stream media go so big on this when there are so many missing people/teen-agers also many Brits going missing in Tenerife that don't get any attention.
Apparently there was a scuffle in that club over a stolen watch (with some East European guy). JS later told his mate he had the stolen Rolex. It does seem it's a real watch they were talking about.
When you look at Jay's criminal record recently in England there's no evidence to prove that the telephone was almost out of power or that he did not have a second phone with him, he's friends was too quick to set up a fundraising account he asked the lady at the bus stop twice what time the next bus was to make sure she' recognised him, there is no evidence to prove that he was dehydrated I would keep an open mind and come to your own opinion
I don\t see how his criminal record would have any connection with no evidence to prove his telephone was out of power. How are the two related? How would they be able to figure out in England the charge of his phone on location in Tenerife? True tho, there is no evidence of anything.. nothing presented so far. Especially dehydration. A person doesn't dehydrate in a deadly way walking up a hill in 20 minutes .*roughly what it would have taken him to walk up to the view point. And when he was asking for the bus time from the very lady who owns the shop where there are tons of drinks inside..he didn't think of , i dunno, buy a bottle of water? He was in front of a SHOP selling water ! Could have gotten a snack too..a good Spanish bocadillo to fill his time before the bus arrives, just take it easy..he;s on HOLIDAY after all. So he walked up to the view point, he had a chance to cut himself on a cactus in the middle of the road, and then he was dying of thirst and he was basically like in grand canyon of Tenerife, or so they thought..Where there would be no people to witness him disappear. No matter how many times i go over that scenario as someone who knows Masca extremely well..i still don\t see it. Then again, i\m not a dodgy person 19 yrs old from the U.K..so..
Shouldn't it be easy for the British media to talk to his family, friends or those two dudes who saw him last? Nothing about this makes sense, but especially the media pretending 19 year olds are children or that this guy was an innocent little lamb.
It's a load of baloney. What make of phone can function at 1%, roaming, and overseas in a mountainous area ?? The call to Lucy likely came from the two guys, not Jay. Get some cadaver dogs out there. Shallow grave.
@@JT1358 Look where the man's broken sunglasses were found, this is where they probably caught up to him after he escaped the AirBnB in the morning while the 2 men were asleep. He run off and they caught up, there was probably a fight and he has punched the man who forgot to pick the sunglasses up! They have either taken him somewhere or he fell in to the sea....then they made the call on his phone to fake a genuine one. The woman who saw him walking away has ruined any chance of forensic recovery as police didn't take the questioning any further knowing he left and wasn't killed at the AirBnB. WHY did they let those two men go??? Are they informants? I go with your theory of a shallow grave.
Ffs this presenter doesn’t know what he’s talking about. Jay was not in the Playa Las Americas or Los Christianos area when he went missing. Furthermore it’s some bloody distance from Masca where he was last seen alive .. dear o dear me .. it’s not the first time I’ve seen this presenter get these simple details wrong 😑 details are important 😮
His last location was the Barranco Juan Lopez Trial. That's the only location that needs searched and probably has not been searched. That leads to nowhere. Dense undergrowth, easy to disappear from sight if you are trying to get away. But will lead you into the mountains and a rocky empty coastline.
If this was a legally operated AirBnB then the owner would have to send to the police registration details of the guests. The details of the passport has to be written down on a form and then set to the police.Thus these men would not be a mystery to the Spanish police.
When things don’t add up it’s time to question all assumptions from all angles: was Lucy telling the truth? Why did Jay not charge his phone at the Airbnb or use the WiFi there? Why were no forensics carried out at the Airbnb? Could the phone have pinged because it was thrown into the bushes? If Jay had been in those bushes, surely the sniffer dogs would have at least picked up his scent? If Tenerife is riddled with drugs and the mafia has a hold on the island, is it not conceivable some of the police (particularly the high ups) may be 10:14 on the payroll of (or intimidate by) the mafia- that may explain why the 2 men were allowed to leave so quickly, and why other avenues of investigation may not have been carried out before evidence was destroyed? Even some locals may be under the control of the mafia? I’m surprised these questions haven’t been thoroughly aired by investigative journalists ….?
Did his phone even have a signal at airb&b? He uploaded a photo smoking a cigarette could have altough doesn't mean he wasn't using Airbnb WiFi if it provided one. Being so far out of the way usually signal crap
Lucy reported him missing 6pm evening of 17th June. Approx 10 hrs after she recieved his last call 8am, 8.10am. Altough he was In distress? Didn't want to go back to airb&b when suggested. Airbnb guys only their silence deafing. Knew nothing about this stolen watch. If he's not here to defend himself altough adam and eve both blamed each other somethin rotten. An award by the Spanish attortoises. His mother perferbly award for the same value as stolen watch. Spanish media could communicate the to it's residents. British media probing for answers👍
So this already convicted criminal has now stolen a Rolex watch. Not the nice normal boy his mum has described. But in her social circle of criminals and scammers he may be.
The police haven't out up any posters of Jay - but neither have his family. WITH £50K OF FUNDING WHY HAVENT HIS FAMILY PUT UP POSTERS ALL OVER THE ISLAND?
We've just given another £192,000 of TAXPAYER monies to keep searching for Maddie McCann (£13.2 million to date - 17 years of searching supposedly) but , then again, the negligent parents were best buddies of the Blairs & Browns!
2015 My best mate went missing, we searched but he wasn't found untill 18 months later when a mushroom collector found his skeleton. He was a Liverpool fan, dad of two. Dunno why I should worry about this guy.
Come on ffs. It’s obvious it was drug related. Drug dealers, he effed up and paid the price. His friends definitely know. The Airbnb is a re£ herring imo.
Why would you even think of committing any crimes when your supposed to be on holiday having a good time don't make sense he could have done all that at home .
No rolex doesn't mean ecstacy, it's a slang word for ecstacy. But the man who reported his stolen watch to the police obviously wasn't reporting his stolen drugs
This is what I think happened from all the facts we know so far. Jay stole a watch without a doubt, it wasn’t drugs. A man reported to police his watch was stolen and Jay also did a snapchat with the watch so that’s proven. Ok , the two older British Somali gangsters convince Jay to go with them. Jay thinks he’s tough but he’s just a 19 year old kid and they will be viewing him as prey although he probably thinks they respect him. As soon as they get back to the apartment, they tell him, mate you’re a long way from home, you’re giving us the watch and not getting a penny. At this point, he maybe says the wrong thing and is attacked, probably stabbed in the leg. This is where the cactus cut on his leg story comes from, it’s just a cover story to save face. Jay either runs away with the watch or more likely he’s handed it over and still runs away out of complete fear and shock. This proves fatal as he is in the mountains with no water and lost.
It's definitely drugs imo rolex are ecstasy tablets, also is jay a professional pickpocket explain how he would steal a watch 😂, no picture of any watch on a Snapchat
He may have stolen a watch and drugs from two different people . The watch to pay for the drugs . He was seen after leaving the the b&b. If correct he spoke to two friends once he had left the road. He clearly wasn't being held against his will prior to this or the woman from the b&b wouldn't have spoken to him and she certainly wouldn't have seen him going the opposite direction to where he was supposed to be going . What has come to light is the screen shot of jay's location which was sent to Brad then to Lucy if you look at it the original shows that Jay's phone was charged and he was using WiFi . Is it any wonder the islanders want the raves shut down . With this nonsense going on .
There’s far more to this ….than just gone missing due to missing bus and off with 2 geezers 😮….past life has caught up with him one way or the other….it’s called Karma 😮
Correct my friend now everybody thinks hes david blaine cos he must have stole it of the guy's wrist cos who in the right mind whould leave a rolex watch in your appartment BULLSHIT SPOT ON LOGAN
Crazy how these media outlets have called people on social media (sleuths)(conspiracy theorists) But here we have these two doing exactly the same appart from video form.
Very sad for his parents and siblings no matter what. Too many keyboard warriors with their conspiracy theories. Folks just give up and hopefully Jay will be found either alive or dead. Terrible how his parents have to deal with these trolls.
My advice is don't travel to area and countries that have high rates of crime, people don't travel for Brazil for reasons and for that same reason you shouldn't go to country that has no laws or safety or even protection in other words corrupted
@@WarrickHunt That may well be but it doesn't necessarily mean any involvement in this case. People are just hungry for these men to be guilty of something - despite what the police said. If people are saying Jay's actions were in past and have no bearing here..... Isn't it fair to assume the same for this man? After all, in your own comment, you've indicated that he served a lengthy sentence for it. So he's paid his dues then, right?
hes the first to criticise the Spanish police. However I would rely on the Spanish police more than the British police any day. The British police are hopeless. known to have cocked up several missing person cases in the past. I know of a missing Spanish person in the UK. the UK police did not have any interest in his case at all. Neglected the poor guy. Spanish authorities offered and wanted to help and the UK police also refused. Love how there reacting now, that the tables have turned and one of there people have now gone missing.
I’m not Columbo… but if you steal from someone who can afford/chooses to buy a £12,000 watch… they maybe some consequences…
I think Rolex means drugs
@@LesleyOwen-p8mit's already been confirmed as an AP watch, not a Rolex
@@LesleyOwen-p8m yes and no, Rolex is a type of MDMA pill yes. But in this case it means a watch. He's likely been shifting drugs for the guy who owned the rolex and jay has stolen it when they've been asleep and he's crashed there. They've probably woke up to make sure he's locked the door or something and noticed its gone. HOW they've dealt with that is anyones guess but it would explain why he was so scared walking back and why he chose to keep off the roads.
To be clear to steal or lose 12k of "rolex" in the pill sense would mean over 4800 pills have been involved which is very unlikely =]
@@brettrigby2226 thats a lot of pills when you got no money and going home in a couple days
a bag of pills that size wouldnt be easy to conceal when you wearing not much lol
was Rolex even mentioned? i saw it was an AP that was mentioned
Turns out the man who’s air BnB he went to got jailed for 9 years for a massive drug operation in wales who’s the fucking conspiracy theorists now eh
got a link ?
Source?
@@markvega5036Daily Mail, pic, name, age, bio...it's all in there
@@SteveJones-gz4vdDaily Mail. Puc, name, age, prior convictions..all in there.
@@markvega5036 Daily mail Ayub Qassim. Google it.
He's no angel and his "friends" need to be questioned asap.
@@BeBooBoop his friends are no angels but who's the one missing.. he's not the only one to blame or being involved. So it's not fair for everyone to blame him. Two 40 year old guys should have been questioned more
I'm guessing you are mr high and mighty on the internet
@@nikkic1218his friends arnt the ones stolen the Rolex (wether it’s a watch or drug slang ) . But Jay put himself in danger stealing from high end gangsters
Seems weird these two middle aged men would choose to rent an Airbnb so remote too doesn't it! Very suspicious! Were they drug barons and Jay one of their pushers? Why are they classified as not relevant to the investigation? Surely they are the last to have seen him so very relevant. What about the rumours that messages saying Jay owed a lot of money to someone, and reportedly his family withdrawing £32,000 from the go fund me for some reason! All very suspicious indeed.
TOTALLY agree with you , why was he so scared to back to the boss for water ? What happened that he couldn't WAIT to be driven back that morning ?
Look at the missing people in the UK. There isn't even one data base with information on them, just a "call us if you need to talk" message to the missing person. The UK is the worst for not caring about missing people.
330,000 a year! thats fucking insane!
@@brettrigby2226look up missing 411 in America. People dont go missing they are being harvested
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Err apart from the 20K plus missing on the Highway of tears in the US or the 200K plus who go missing every year in the US or the tens of thousands of children kidnapped by the Mexican cartels and used for prostitution and work so no the UK isn't the worst and I don't know what this has got to do with the UK missing person services
@dragonofhatefulretribution9041 The poor Girl who was made into Kebab in Blackpool, did not walk into a Jewish Establishment.
He's such an honest, upright individual he will never lie about stealing someone else's watch LOL
Amazing isn’t it? 🙄
The way he's trying to distance himself from the awful way hes spoke about the public, makes my skin crawl. Him and his TV plods have been awful to the public. People have said it how they see it. He's been more worried about his public image and now edging his bets incase the public are actually right.
The biggest MYSTERY is why all the attention?!
Yes I wonder why this missing case is such high profile! Did the police already have a idea something was goin on with this gang
EVERYONE connected to this story seem to be despicable criminals.
Exactly so was Jay with a mind of a 14 year-old but really a man, Mr. J Slater, who was a sheep😮 the mother sounds like she was encouraging him to be one of the lads. He didn’t want to go to Tenerife that would’ve been a blessing to my ears if that was my son.
What a loss for Britain losing one of its brightest future lights, such a loss.
😂
Are you kidding?
@@staceyrogers5711Of course they're kidding , nobody in a right mind gives a fk about this little eedjit .
@@staceyrogers5711Are you kidding? You don't even have enough sense to understand the concept of sarcasm? 🤦🏼♂️
@@Sigma.6 Jay Slater is shagging Madeleine McCann
Let the Guardia Civil do their job.! Without all the insane background noise and criticism from the U k.
I'd be beyond scared if I had done something as stupid as stealing a 12k watch.
Someone who can afford that, yeah, there's gonna be major consequences. I don't think this guy is ever coming back. And it's starting to unravel why he left the main road, people were absolutely after him if this theft of a 12k watch is true.
Why are media not interested in these 2 men.
Because they are not law enforcement. They can't force those two to come forward.
So NOW media harassment would be ok?
@@susivarga7303 asking questions is normally part of an investigation.
@@susanbishop5228
Susan! Asking question on yt and sm is part of an investigation? Where? How? Since when?
Are you insane?
Or just angry that the police did not brief you?
@susivarga7303 strange response
And very over familiar
I said the media such as investigative journalists.
We are fans of yours here in North Carolina, Kevin! Appreciate your honest commentary.
As with many other things if will turn out that the "Conspiracy Theorists" will be proven correct ...... again
@@EleventhMonkeyeverything
@@EleventhMonkeythe thing someone not connected told me 😂
What a thought all the same.
What about the 60,000 children who go missing annually....
rickross The stats are not quite what they seem. Stats differ all the time theres no direct ultimat number, no exact matching form country to country. 60,000 will change in the blink of any eye when searched via google again. It simply cannot, will not ever be trusted no matter what location you try and search. Its terrible.
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@@dragonofhatefulretribution9041only correct answer here
@@MemeGang420So you don't know why Bosnia started, ask a Serb what happened to their Children, think Rotherham.
1,700 under 16 missing long term.
He has gone to an island run by the mafia and stole somebody’s watch for cocaine………..
He didnt still no watch he stole a load of pills that were stamped with the rolex symbol
what could go wrong
Ffs there is no rolex, its text code for he stole a 12k bag of coke
I don't ever make comment's on any social media because I don't like it and this will be the last time I do. Whether it's the drug's or the watch implications I believe the two men who last saw jay are in deep they have either told jay come with them and will sort things out and convinced him he was safe to lure him into the seat car without any struggle. Now they have him poor jay was doomed. The two men now have the power. You can only speculate what happened in the airhub until the woman rang the bell where qassim has to move his car, jay saw the opportunity to get out fast with this the two men went to pursue jay and found him the two men likely struggled with jay and bungled into the boot of the seat likely knocking jay unconscious then took jay to another location on the island to kidnap him or something a lot worse. Then the two men departed Tenerife hoping to carry on without any involvement. My love goes to jay's family.
You've stopped insulting members of the public now? those that doubted the 'story'?
The sun online have said one of the men who jay went back with ,, is a convicted drug smuggler,
Trust source that. The sun….. 😂
@@Man-Made-of-wood I think with this particular case, being so high profile, even the Sun would not dare say something like that is it was BS.
@@CelticSaint that does not stop the sun
He's a roadman wannabe gangster who ran into real criminals and came unstuck.
Ey blud
think your a big man blud
He's been forced to send that text to make it look like he was lost in the mountains.....his last act before being murdered for losing or stealing their drugs.
Has it been confirmed it was a stolen watch? If Jay messaged something like, 'I got 12k Rolex...' it's a slang term for party pills.
No point in searching mountains, he'd only have spent a short time out there- until some Bad Lads caught up with him and took him on a little boat ride. Drones won't find him. Fishing nets will...
How would they know he was there? ...unless they saw him get in the car
Surely the police can see the messages.. from his account or his friends accounts🤔🤔
Those two men must know something... Its all very suspicious
They know he doesn't shave his balls i think one of them said
Like I said before, there has been a number of murders/deaths in this exact same area, men of a similar age and yet nobody is doing their homework. Its been happening for years and the Tenerife cops do the same thing over and over. Pretend they are doing something when in fact they are doing nothing. That's why they were sitting around in the sun caught not searching, then all of a sudden case closed. This is bigger than I can deal with but journalists are not going in the right direction.
Well said. Drug fuelled tourism is big business on Tenerife. Nobody, who values their life, is going to upset the money-making apple cart.
Hmmmm .... Have any of the other allegedly missing people ever attacked someone else with a machete?
@@debl9957 Machete or not, the same end unresolved. And what about those that had a decent past? Something doesn't smell right in Tenerife.....
sure post em links
Is there a return flight home from Tenerife going cheap?
She just repeated everything the other guy said😁
Kevin FFS - NO ONE GIVES A SH1T ABOUT THIS CR1M1NAL
This lad was beaten up when he was 12 by three men in a car. He was with two other lads. No mention anywhere as to who the other lads were and what happened to them... If that had happened to my lad I would want to know why. I would want to know where he was every minute of every day from then on. When the parents ,mentioned this i though Why? Thought it might be in justification for why he was part of a gang beating people up. As in poor him this was caused by things done to him. To my discredit I immediately followed up with the though I bet every thing he has done has been some one elses fault. . This kid has been ferral and it shows..
I thought excatly the same. A vunreble target in nature. Perhaps judge knew this at the time. Most defo a consequence acting out his own traumatic experience at 12. 3 years into an apprenticeship bricklayer he was doing something right. Wondered if he had a hidden disability undiagnosed? Now not here to defend himself.
now entering Day 18, still no one knows the identity of 50% of the airbnb occupants. why did Jay go back with them and what happened at the airbnb before Jay left? knowing that, and all that was said between them, would lead us to where Jay is.
Maybe just a house party. I've done it on numerous occasions when I was in my twenties. You get chatting with people and then go back to carry on partying. It's been done since partying began. Why aren't people getting this?!
@@JessicaFletcher-nn5ss was no party, he only there briefly with the Somalis. do you party with Somalis too?
Mail Online this evening is reporting one of them is a convicted drug dealer, he served over 9 years for trying to flood Wales with class A drugs. The plot thickens!
It’s seems unlikely he had any issues with the gentleman’s he was staying with , I mean he was relaxing having a smoke in the photo outside they’re accommodation and then asked for a bus , it wasn’t as if he wasn’t allowed to leave they’re presence was it , he then strolled off after asking for the bus which is right next to the accommodation to were they were staying, so he was obviously willing to wait for one by asking but then choose not to !!, it’s extremely odd / mystery
@@nikko7507 "I can't go back there, I can't go back there" Jay said to Lucy, so he was fearful of returning, therefore surely glad to get out of there.
having a smoke can indicate stress as much as relaxing. it depends.
Is it ok to now call you a conspiracy theorist, armchair detective and a despicable troll ? 😂
We all remember what you were saying 14 days ago!!!
I’ve actually had one girl apologise today who called me that when I mentioned the watch two weeks ago
Another girl is still calling me a troll and saying this is just speculation 🤷🏾♂️
@@TayWoodeit is speculation. It’s from a guy called Mark Thomas. Your listening to these fools and think you know everything
I know it's not nice to say however he attacked someone with a machete and then he's gone to Spain and nicked a watch I would say it sounds like someone who has a 12k Its a fuck about and find out I would say they will have had a quiet chat in his ear and it's unlikely he will be seen again
why didn't his friends tell about the stolen watch sooner
They probably thought he'd just turn up OK eventually, then they wouldn't have to dob him in!
Covering their own arses. Plus who would donate to the gofundme if people knew he was a thief?!
A lot of the truth is been hidden about this..
Because rolex is code for cocaine and his friend lucy is not his friend, she's a mule and she recruited him, she has to make up stories to distance herself, she knows exactly what has happened, the whole story has been fabricated
ROLEX is slang for Coke apparently
I think that Lucy and his other friend know what has happened to Jay and his parents know too and all of a sudden they've withdrawn the money from the go fund me page and his mother went for a manicure instead of looking for her son
I believe this is a set up. To make money, this guy disap😂because he's doesn't want to be found.
so do I
Not a thread of truth or commen sense in any of your comments.
@@Bhammich we'll see 👀 😏
I was convinced he was missing right at the start then the go fund me was set up that's when I got suspicious. Then the mother withdrew it and the family went to Spain with it that's when the hell no kicked in with me.
My two cents is he robbed stuff from the BnB and went to leave on the sly, the lads drove after him and said jump in I'll give you a lift, then possibly battered and killed him, either way unfortunately I think he's gone.
he was a KT
Yes exactly. If he was comfortable stealing a 12k watch, then why not.
The guy has said that they took him back to there’s because he’s friends left him there, they gave him a blanket , but why didn’t jay just go back to hes hotel which was right by the rave ?
Have you never done a load of gear?
Jay was there to pick up the drugs
Probably because Lucys boss wanted a word or two with him.
@@thomasczthomash1859gd point, u can end up on magical missions, I mean one time, personally, I went from Newcastle to Glasgow, a good 150 mile trip there, rave finishes in Newcastle, had a party, Glasgow lot was heading home, we went bk with them., 24 hours later, the worlds changed plus, 150 miles away from home 😂 I was sober driver, rest were on it, but even sober, was up for the mission, never mind been on gear and the love buzz.... Unless,
Jay was led there and had no choice, held by his own rights and, was instructed time to time, when to send up dates, held hostage,.. I mean,
What condition was Jay in leaving b n b, and to his final GPS spot, any witness see him, was he good... Any blood, or just a lost party rocker, trying find his way home.
As thus stage, very difficult to say who is guilty, and how, because until body is found, I think, no answer.
Either turn up alive, or, body be found.
Could suicide be a idea, what was mental health state of Jay in past, has he ever been depressed, ever had thoughts of ending life, he may have Even took his own life, I really hope not, but, definitely search all. Woodland areas and look up, because I know a few folks, who entered the woods, and didnt come out
Jay F'd around and found out. He now lays at the bottom of the Atlantic
I think it's the Mediterranean sea
He is likely AI generated and doesn't actually exist
@@thomasczthomash1859Atlantic mate
@@thomasczthomash1859 No ,its the Atlantic ocean....Tenerife is off the north west coast of Africa but Spanish territory...
Called off because I think they believe there is foul play
He stole a £12000 pound Rolex and posted it on instagram the very same day 🤨
Ah yes, Ayub Qassim. That well known british name.
ah yes Rishi Sunak British man that can buy your mother for a bang
Aye it's as command as yours jack lololol one of my lads is a jack I did think of calling him ayub but I thought no everybody and is cousin is called that I'll call him by his dad John's other name jack
ah jack and Jay the whyte machete attacker, robber and drug dealer
They must ALL go.
Also very popular these days in Great Britain is Mohammed. Lovely times
What Is strange he is reported missing after a few hours..... normally missing person is after 24 hours.....??
I think its 48 hours out there
Yes and why did the main stream media go so big on this when there are so many missing people/teen-agers also many Brits going missing in Tenerife that don't get any attention.
No lol
@@clairrollings3988 Jay was prob dealing British cops coke supply so prob an informant
@@clairrollings3988Becos it was straight after the Mosley case.
Missed the bus at 8:15am even though it wasn't to arrive until 10am.
Bus every 2hrs
he robbed someone then went with Somalis
He missed the 8 am bus.
@@Bhammich aint no bus at 8am there
The rolex wasn't working
How do these people keep getting lost on these tiny islands and how can the local police can't find them? It is not that big.
Water is very deep not far off shore here.................
@@sonicee565 true. Natalee holloway 😢
Rolex isn't necessarily the watch they're talking about when his friends refer to it. Certain drugs are referred to as Rolex.... Just saying
Apparently there was a scuffle in that club over a stolen watch (with some East European guy). JS later told his mate he had the stolen Rolex. It does seem it's a real watch they were talking about.
No drugs are referred to as Rolex. Es have a Rolex stamped on them sometimes, but it's not slang for any drug.
When you look at Jay's criminal record recently in England there's no evidence to prove that the telephone was almost out of power or that he did not have a second phone with him, he's friends was too quick to set up a fundraising account he asked the lady at the bus stop twice what time the next bus was to make sure she' recognised him, there is no evidence to prove that he was dehydrated I would keep an open mind and come to your own opinion
I don\t see how his criminal record would have any connection with no evidence to prove his telephone was out of power. How are the two related? How would they be able to figure out in England the charge of his phone on location in Tenerife?
True tho, there is no evidence of anything.. nothing presented so far. Especially dehydration. A person doesn't dehydrate in a deadly way walking up a hill in 20 minutes .*roughly what it would have taken him to walk up to the view point. And when he was asking for the bus time from the very lady who owns the shop where there are tons of drinks inside..he didn't think of , i dunno, buy a bottle of water? He was in front of a SHOP selling water ! Could have gotten a snack too..a good Spanish bocadillo to fill his time before the bus arrives, just take it easy..he;s on HOLIDAY after all. So he walked up to the view point, he had a chance to cut himself on a cactus in the middle of the road, and then he was dying of thirst and he was basically like in grand canyon of Tenerife, or so they thought..Where there would be no people to witness him disappear.
No matter how many times i go over that scenario as someone who knows Masca extremely well..i still don\t see it. Then again, i\m not a dodgy person 19 yrs old from the U.K..so..
They're not fucking mystery men! Everyone knows who they are
I think he faking his death
Nah. He’s a roadman ponce who messed around with real criminals and found out the hard way.
They have made him go bye bye.
He's on a canoe island hopping
Yes I agree his family are in on it too making money from the fund😮
This whole story has been all about crime ! In one way or another we're supposed to be reading about a missing person!
Shouldn't it be easy for the British media to talk to his family, friends or those two dudes who saw him last? Nothing about this makes sense, but especially the media pretending 19 year olds are children or that this guy was an innocent little lamb.
Repeating what was already said by Kevin O'sullvan
I don't understand why he didn't charge his phone whilst with the men at the air b and b..?
Maybe the hosts didn't have the correct charger or that he did not even think to charge it after a heavy night
It's a load of baloney. What make of phone can function at 1%, roaming, and overseas in a mountainous area ?? The call to Lucy likely came from the two guys, not Jay. Get some cadaver dogs out there. Shallow grave.
When you're high, that's not the first thing that comes to one's mind.
@@JT1358 Look where the man's broken sunglasses were found, this is where they probably caught up to him after he escaped the AirBnB in the morning while the 2 men were asleep. He run off and they caught up, there was probably a fight and he has punched the man who forgot to pick the sunglasses up! They have either taken him somewhere or he fell in to the sea....then they made the call on his phone to fake a genuine one.
The woman who saw him walking away has ruined any chance of forensic recovery as police didn't take the questioning any further knowing he left and wasn't killed at the AirBnB.
WHY did they let those two men go??? Are they informants?
I go with your theory of a shallow grave.
Ffs this presenter doesn’t know what he’s talking about. Jay was not in the Playa Las Americas or Los Christianos area when he went missing. Furthermore it’s some bloody distance from Masca where he was last seen alive .. dear o dear me .. it’s not the first time I’ve seen this presenter get these simple details wrong 😑 details are important 😮
Having listened to so many bad journalists recently I now really appreciate the good ones when I hear them.
His last location was the Barranco Juan Lopez Trial. That's the only location that needs searched and probably has not been searched. That leads to nowhere. Dense undergrowth, easy to disappear from sight if you are trying to get away. But will lead you into the mountains and a rocky empty coastline.
So true!
This update is totally pointless going over the same old stuff
If this was a legally operated AirBnB then the owner would have to send to the police registration details of the guests. The details of the passport has to be written down on a form and then set to the police.Thus these men would not be a mystery to the Spanish police.
The press have caught up with one of them. He’s a Somalian who was done for pushing class A drugs in Wales 9 years ago.
@@NobbingNobby Jay is a drug dealer too and his father no difference
Plus they were interviewed on the Monday by the Police which was the day they should have returned to the UK instead they returned on the Tuesday.
I understand that Rolex is a code for illegal substances!!
It was a watch in this case
is it tell me more
The man who owned the rolex reported it stolen. It was an actual watch.
Rolex isn't code for drugs. It's literally a Rolex watch.
@@bungle3912 The fkking thing wasn't working, it made him miss the bus
And yet after 17 years the search for Madelain McCAann continues with our police often going out to Portugal in the summer. Two tier policing?
When things don’t add up it’s time to question all assumptions from all angles: was Lucy telling the truth? Why did Jay not charge his phone at the Airbnb or use the WiFi there? Why were no forensics carried out at the Airbnb? Could the phone have pinged because it was thrown into the bushes? If Jay had been in those bushes, surely the sniffer dogs would have at least picked up his scent? If Tenerife is riddled with drugs and the mafia has a hold on the island, is it not conceivable some of the police (particularly the high ups) may be 10:14 on the payroll of (or intimidate by) the mafia- that may explain why the 2 men were allowed to leave so quickly, and why other avenues of investigation may not have been carried out before evidence was destroyed? Even some locals may be under the control of the mafia? I’m surprised these questions haven’t been thoroughly aired by investigative journalists ….?
Did his phone even have a signal at airb&b? He uploaded a photo smoking a cigarette could have altough doesn't mean he wasn't using Airbnb WiFi if it provided one. Being so far out of the way usually signal crap
Don't think he ever went up to the airbnb. I believe the video him on beach. Lucy & Brad need to be questioned.
Don't mess with Eastern Europeans, especially if they own Rolex watch 😂
Why have the British police not interviewed the 2 men involved?
Why indeed??
Lucy reported him missing 6pm evening of 17th June. Approx 10 hrs after she recieved his last call 8am, 8.10am. Altough he was In distress?
Didn't want to go back to airb&b when suggested. Airbnb guys only their silence deafing. Knew nothing about this stolen watch. If he's not here to defend himself altough adam and eve both blamed each other somethin rotten.
An award by the Spanish attortoises.
His mother perferbly award for the same value as stolen watch. Spanish media could communicate the to it's residents.
British media probing for answers👍
So this already convicted criminal has now stolen a Rolex watch. Not the nice normal boy his mum has described. But in her social circle of criminals and scammers he may be.
They called off the search a week ago, how long are you going to keep that in your titles?
The police haven't out up any posters of Jay - but neither have his family. WITH £50K OF FUNDING WHY HAVENT HIS FAMILY PUT UP POSTERS ALL OVER THE ISLAND?
hard to get lost there as there are buildings everywhere and you can see the sea from almost any position
@derekmorgan9250 i have and also just watched a documentary on this, you dont have to walk far to find a road
We've just given another £192,000 of TAXPAYER monies to keep searching for Maddie McCann (£13.2 million to date - 17 years of searching supposedly) but , then again, the negligent parents were best buddies of the Blairs & Browns!
Jon wedger points out the money is being used as jellies for the police to do nothing but just have some sunshine
If he's a bricklayer, I'm a brain surgeon.
I like this presenter guy, no bs telling how it is
Rolex is slang for ecstasy… old folks
Most times crime doesn’t pay , especially when you steal from a criminal.
The spanish police obv know a LOT more then they are lettung on
The two men need interviewing asap… ridiculous
2015 My best mate went missing, we searched but he wasn't found untill 18 months later when a mushroom collector found his skeleton. He was a Liverpool fan, dad of two. Dunno why I should worry about this guy.
The Spanish Civil Guard, they acted with absolute efficiency and with great discretion, until they found a needle in a haystack. J.
Slater, R.I.P.
Come on ffs. It’s obvious it was drug related. Drug dealers, he effed up and paid the price. His friends definitely know. The Airbnb is a re£ herring imo.
Why would you even think of committing any crimes when your supposed to be on holiday having a good time don't make sense he could have done all that at home .
When is a Rolex, not a Rolex? When it's a bag of cocaine!
don't let a missing person and strange circumstances effect tourism eh...
"Rolex" means drugs aka extacy
No rolex doesn't mean ecstacy, it's a slang word for ecstacy. But the man who reported his stolen watch to the police obviously wasn't reporting his stolen drugs
No one knows how to spell ecstasy 😁 Neither did I, by the way, had to look it up 😁
Seeing as I used to take 1000s a year back in the day I shouldve known 😂🙈
Put out reward may get a response
All the media and uk police saying don't speculate. The whole thing stinks
This is what I think happened from all the facts we know so far. Jay stole a watch without a doubt, it wasn’t drugs. A man reported to police his watch was stolen and Jay also did a snapchat with the watch so that’s proven. Ok , the two older British Somali gangsters convince Jay to go with them. Jay thinks he’s tough but he’s just a 19 year old kid and they will be viewing him as prey although he probably thinks they respect him. As soon as they get back to the apartment, they tell him, mate you’re a long way from home, you’re giving us the watch and not getting a penny. At this point, he maybe says the wrong thing and is attacked, probably stabbed in the leg. This is where the cactus cut on his leg story comes from, it’s just a cover story to save face. Jay either runs away with the watch or more likely he’s handed it over and still runs away out of complete fear and shock. This proves fatal as he is in the mountains with no water and lost.
It's definitely drugs imo rolex are ecstasy tablets, also is jay a professional pickpocket explain how he would steal a watch 😂, no picture of any watch on a Snapchat
He may have stolen a watch and drugs from two different people . The watch to pay for the drugs . He was seen after leaving the the b&b. If correct he spoke to two friends once he had left the road. He clearly wasn't being held against his will prior to this or the woman from the b&b wouldn't have spoken to him and she certainly wouldn't have seen him going the opposite direction to where he was supposed to be going .
What has come to light is the screen shot of jay's location which was sent to Brad then to Lucy if you look at it the original shows that Jay's phone was charged and he was using WiFi .
Is it any wonder the islanders want the raves shut down . With this nonsense going on .
I like Kevin O'Sullivan, good presenter
There’s far more to this ….than just gone missing due to missing bus and off with 2 geezers 😮….past life has caught up with him one way or the other….it’s called Karma 😮
Why aren't his family searching?
So he has the balls to rob somebody's Rolex,but he was too scared to stay on the main road,with 2 knives for his self defence?💩💩BS.
Correct my friend now everybody thinks hes david blaine cos he must have stole it of the guy's wrist cos who in the right mind whould leave a rolex watch in your appartment BULLSHIT SPOT ON LOGAN
so if he told his friend he had stolen the watch can we assume it is true.
There is no watch . "Rolex" is code for drugs
No, he lied for fun and went for a healthy stroll in the mountains and died next to the cactus.
Personally I'd of wanted to see evidence of this watch.
TalkTv, why aren't you following the story of Keaton Slater's hit and run murderer? Why the focus on this wrong'un
Somebody fighting in that neck of the woods while wearing a Rolex Watch would not be a person to steal a Rolex off!!! J'know like 🤔
Crazy how these media outlets have called people on social media (sleuths)(conspiracy theorists) But here we have these two doing exactly the same appart from video form.
Very sad for his parents and siblings no matter what. Too many keyboard warriors with their conspiracy theories. Folks just give up and hopefully Jay will be found either alive or dead. Terrible how his parents have to deal with these trolls.
Stolen Rolex = slang for stolen drugs?
Just a drug deal gone wrong
He is in hiding or dead his mother knows we're he is
My advice is don't travel to area and countries that have high rates of crime, people don't travel for Brazil for reasons and for that same reason you shouldn't go to country that has no laws or safety or even protection in other words corrupted
I heard reports the place was 22 miles away how does that equate to an 11hour back
Walking pace of 2 miles per hour, which is about right given the steep windy roads and temperatures
Well I mean, considering the terrain, what do you think the average walking speed is? I think 2mph is probably about right
On foot, on rocky terrain with steep elevation, easily 11 hours. Much harder and slower than walking on a flat level road surface.
@@littleblackpistol you cant even walk that terrain like that
@@Lemingtona-x5glike what?
IMO.those 2 British lads should definitely be WANTED persons of interest.🧐✌🏼❤
Did you see one of them was arrested and jailed for 9 years for a massive drug operation in wales he’s only been out 5 months
@@WarrickHunt That may well be but it doesn't necessarily mean any involvement in this case. People are just hungry for these men to be guilty of something - despite what the police said.
If people are saying Jay's actions were in past and have no bearing here..... Isn't it fair to assume the same for this man?
After all, in your own comment, you've indicated that he served a lengthy sentence for it.
So he's paid his dues then, right?
Spot on!
I knew the cactus did it! @@NigelShepherd-z7k
they are all drug dealers inc Jay and his father
@@NigelShepherd-z7kwell said ! At last, someone applying some observation and intellect instead of all the BS baseless nonsense ! Thank you.
hes the first to criticise the Spanish police. However I would rely on the Spanish police more than the British police any day. The British police are hopeless. known to have cocked up several missing person cases in the past.
I know of a missing Spanish person in the UK. the UK police did not have any interest in his case at all. Neglected the poor guy. Spanish authorities offered and wanted to help and the UK police also refused.
Love how there reacting now, that the tables have turned and one of there people have now gone missing.