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I have 3 pawpaw trees about that size and shape (varieties Shenandoah, NC1, and Sunflower, Shenandoah has been a bit slower than the rest and just like the description NC1 is by far the prettiest plant), interestingly enough in the PNW where they're supposed to do quite poorly. I think mine are around 4 or 5 years in ground, started off as pretty small grafted plants, basically just a stick of the named variety cleft grafted onto a seedling. They're in full sunlight up against a rock wall for a little extra heat (thankfully the very slow temperature changes in the PNW means southwest disease isn't an issue here). I've found nice rich, deep, organic heavy soil with plenty of water throughout the summer works wonders. They seem to like mulch too. They're one of those where the entire plant is essentially the taproot, with everything else somewhat extraneous (obviously you have to worry about the health of the entire plant, especially with the graft there but the point is that the taproot is the lifeblood). Thus in my opinion a location that fosters a good taproot is probably the key, and the deep moisture and deep rich soil has helped with that. They've finally really taken off so I'm getting excited for the potential of fruit! Wonderful fruit but they definitely take lots of patience and a bit of good intuition with location.
Awesome post. We also have a thriving grove of them in the PNW a d just like you said it all comes down to optimizing where you plant for that tap root. I dug out very deep pits in the thick rich heavy clay soil and amended it. Tap roots sunk right down and the trees took off. Where as the ones where I didn’t do that basically all failed to thrive
As they get really ripe the butterscotch flavor that develops is what I love.
Once you pick it up off the ground the fruit still need few days on the counter or in a paper bag to get that flavor.
Thanks, that's good to know.
As shaded as those are, I'm surprised you're getting as much fruit as you are. You give me hope.
Поздравляю, Росс, дождался урожай, прекрасно!
Congrats man!!! Another year for me to get some.
wow! how satisfying. trim back some branches of that shade tree for more sun and it will do much better! I plan to plant 30 this spring.
I have the same two varieties here in NY zone 6a. Had to transplant them after two years in the same spot. I am hopeful I will get fruit in a few years. Can’t wait.
I also plan to toss all the seeds into my woods behind my house. Maybe I’ll have a nice grove one day.
Years ago we picked some paw paw growing wild in some wooded land in Indiana, just below Lake Michigan, and they tasted absolutely delicious. Knowing nothing about growing them I brought back a few seeds to Colorado to plant and as you can guess about the outcome of that mission... nuttin'.
You good bro
That’s awesome! Can’t wait to start cultivating my own Pawpaws
So happy for you that you finally got some pawpaws! I watched the original video you made on your trees a while back. I planted 14 mixed grafted varieties last year. Thanks for the great video.
no messing around, 14 trees! Very nice.
Thank You!
Congratulations Ross glad to hear you liked the Mango Pawpaw I have that one too, I have four trees three seasons so far looks like I could possibly get fruits next year but it's going to be a few more years before I get to try any Mango's she's a little behind I'm in the PNW zone 8b!
I have read people saying you need to keep them in the shade for the first 3-5 years but apparently that is only true until the tree goes through its first winter. Once you have winter hardened wood, it can take full sun.
They don't need shade. It's incorrect information.
@@RossRaddi I've seen seedlings under 1 year old get pretty bad leaf burn during the summer months which the shaded lot didn't get. The following year, neither group got leaf burn which gives credit to the "winter wood" theory. If you live far enough north you might not have intense enough sun to do that but in most areas I would still recommend it.
Congratulations on your success! I also waited 6 years to get my first fruit, but worth the wait for sure, pawpaw is delicious! I have a 9, 7, and several 5 year old pawpaws that are now producing fruit here in Zone 4 in Wisconsin. The grafted varieties Shenandoah and Prolific are doing well in full sun to partial shade. I maintain 5' diameter mulch ring around each tree and use fertilizer spikes for fruit trees and hand pollinate the flowers. They don't like high winds or drought but otherwise I have found them easy to grow. They ripen mid to late September here which is now, it's a very short season. It's fun to share the fruit with friends and neighbors, most people never heard of them!
Hey John,
I also live in WI and am looking to get some trees established. I’m in the new 5a zone, near Stevens Point. Where did you get your trees?
Where are you located John?
@caseybielen7169 I am in West Madison, this is actually Zone 5, not 4. It was a mild winter here for the most part. They are just beginning to blossom this week!
@@johnwilcox4078 that’s exciting to hear! The usda reassigned most of WI last October, I was gonna guess you were at least zone 5. I’m in Point, we just got zoned 5a from 4b.
@@caseybielen7169 Jung's in Randolf, Wi. They ship 2' grafted Shenandoah and Prolific pawpaws to your door.
Yay! Happy your pawpaw's finally fruited! Mine are probably not too far behind. I've had them in the ground at least 5yrs now and they're almost to the size of yours.
I’d love to see more on your paw paws! The dosage makes the medicine! I think we probably tolerate natural plant chemicals better than man made synthetic ones. Jmho ymmv
It's never too late to try this delicious fruit 😋
I planted mine in a similar situation taking the same advice you did. I haven't got any fruit yet. However, I have had flowers for a couple of years so hopefully next year.
Even here in the UK with our short summers AND growing them in containers I'm getting a few fruits, but boy are they slow growing 🤪🤪
I like how you point out the disclaimer seen around. And then give your opinion on it, as it is a theory. I’ve read articles on it, and it made me not want to try the paw paw, but now I’m back on the paw paw trail! Thanks! Also, want to say my family thinks it’s false claim, as in the past the anonas that are tropical and contain the same compounds were seen medicinal and people still make teas out of the leaves of the soursops. Eat in bulk sugar apple and sour sops along with cherimoya’s. My dad said that on occasion they would swallow the seed for years. And it has antiviral effect, so there’s counter claims from some community’s and friends of mine, that say for some reason maybe some people with influential power, want to discourage the propagation of this plant as it can potentially be medicinal
Mine are in full sun, and took eight years to fruit. Mango is very good. The only those I tried was are native that grow in are Pa. Mountain areas. The Tay Two tasted better yet. Only get four or five the last couple years. But, got over a. hundred or so last and this year. Of the mango made wine with them. Your trees are going to get huge, to close together your going to block sun. Added three more. Different types this spring. Good luck.
I've got my pawpaws in two spots, one spot shaded part of the day and the other full sun the whole day and the full sun one is always struggling while the one in the shade is way way ahead even tho it was smaller than the other one when I got it! So i do recomend people atleast keep them in the shade till their pretty big!
The one In the sun always has curved leaves from the heat of the sun while the other one has perfectly green leaves that dont curve even on hot days since their somewhat shaded!
I dont recomend so much shade that it's dark though! I recomend just having a tree or something that blocks the sun alot of the day so that it's still really bright but shaded from direct sun so it doesnt get super hot on the leaves! Also in nature they grow in the understory of tall forests just like American hazel nuts do! So they probably do make better fruit with the full sun but they would probably do best on edges where they get shade and full sun which are usually the most hospitable areas for all plants! And also I definitely agree about mulching! The other thing you should really use is worm castings! Worm castings are the single best amendment there is! Theres videos of people planting tons of seeds in different medians on their own and nothing could produce everything from start to finish except the worm castings! You can grow anything in pure worm castings and get a perfect plant from start to finish and it has the highest germination rate of any median , the only problem with worm castings is their so expensive so it's best to make your own worm farm and theres multiple benefits to that cause they breed like crazy in small confined areas and they eat whatever you put in there within 2 weeks and you can keep splitting them to make new worm farms whenever they fill up with worms and once you have enough worm farms that you no longer need a compost pile cause your worms compost it better and quicker and than you can start splitting the farms just to add half the worms into your beds where they will eat any leaf litter and aerate the soil a ton! Worms are a farmers best friend!
Big Safety Note:
Pawpaws (yes the fruit flesh included) have a relatively high amount of annonacin (and few other similar compounds). Which are neurotoxins that at high sustained levels will caused atypical Parkinson’s disease. The amount of research on what are safe levels is very spotty and there are pawpaw breeders working on varieties with lower levels of the neurotoxic compounds.
Not saying you shouldn’t eat any Pawpaws (I have two plants), but if you probably shouldn’t freeze and eat a lot of them. And if you have a family history with neurodegenerative disease it not be worth the risk.
Stay safe!
The studies on them being dangerous is spotty as well. The main toxicity study that I am aware of consisted of an intravenous injection of purified acetogenins into rodents. An adult human would have to eat multiple fruit from this plant family daily for a year to receive the equivalent amount that was given to the test rodents. And that assumes that ingestion is equivalent to injection.
The people who developed neurological issues that prompted a closer look at the compound lived in a tropical area where they drank a tea made with leaves containing the compound daily and ate fruit containing the compound daily. Some of them developed tremors after decades of daily exposure. These compounds are created by the plant as insecticides. Avocados also have a toxic compound that serves the same function. It has been interesting to watch this compound go from being called a natural lice killer to a miracle cancer cure to a deadly poison every time a new group of people find out about it.
it takes mine at least 7 or so years too; they do prefer the shade. if you go full sun they die without irrigation; that's only for unsustainable operations. it wasn't a mistake. yes they do get bigger over time. if you water a lot they swell up and get pithy; the biggest have a watered down flavor imho; but people buy those the most. they are all good! those will do fine and make finer fruit long term. growing them in the sun which i have done makes them live fast and die usually very young, but usually within 10 years.; I have shade ones that are still going strong twice that; and still healthy.
All right Ross! I've heard of these Pawpaws, some folks liken them to be Temperate zone Mangoes, thanks for sharing this COOL video, Liked and greetings from central Mexico! :)
I got my fruit for the first time this year too! I also like the mango more than my other Potomac variety.very exciting I am going to root every seed I got!
Congrats on getting some fruit. I planted some in full sun. Did not get results as fast as you did.
long time coming! enjoy :)
The pawpaw guy you're referring to, Neal Peterson, actually later chimed in to let people know that he did, in fact, not have Parkinson's. It was all speculation based on one video, his condition was something different altogether. I've also seen a later video presentation featuring him and he was doing much better. If people are actually worried about it, they can plant low-Acetogenin varieties, such as Sunflower and Wabash (based on KSU data).
Congratulations!! Yummy.. Enjoy!! I just planted mine in June this year.
My neighbor has so many trees and fruits, she doesnt know enough people to give them to! Zone 6a along lake ontario.
I hope to be in her situation.
I see tons of pawpaw trees in the forests around here in Kansas City but never have seen any fruit on them.
We had our first Ohio pawpaw last week on our 6 year old trees in full sun. We watered well all last year. Latex allergy keeps me from eating them but my wife loves them
I bought 4 paw paw 12in sprigs last year I put chicken wire around them and mulched them heavy they dropped the leaves in fall but the tree is green two are in filtered light two in full sun all an experiment to see if they will grow here in San Antonio Texas where our scorching sun kills many trees I also white washed them so far they survived last years heat and our 17 degree Christmas freeze. I figure as long as they stay green I’m ok we’ll see how they do for their second summer weather
Where do I get a tree? I’m in Western PA and have full sun spot for it.
less bitter due to underdeveloped seeds perhaps?
Congrats Ross! Finally 😂
Looks amazing! Does it take as good as a perfectly ripened cherimoya? Here there’s someone selling 3 pounds of pawpaws for $50 😅 but in Canada they are very hard to find
They are definitely different than cherimoya...paw paws have a distinct vanilla, banana, mango, pineapple flavor than cherimoyas. I like them both, but paw paws are more complex in flavor...
Hello, Green River Pawpaw and Honwhite Pawpaw cultivar have a hint of cherimoyas. 2-10 pawpaw have a hint of Jack fruit.
3 pounds for 50? yikes, i just bought probably 12 pounds for that!
@@Acolis where??
@@spencerlincoln2428 west virginia. i didnt realize that you were in canada initially so they may be more rare up there. they are fairly abundant here
7 years is a long time to wait for a fruit, but seems to have paid off
I’ve heard of tribes eating custard apple all there life and being totally fine…probably safe to eat
I have 2 Pennsylvania Golden Pawpaw and 1 NC-1 Pawpaw tree, they have fruit this year. Lucky my PA Golden and NC-1 Pawpaw Fruit does not taste like a banana if they tase like Banana I will chop them down. I don't want to wait for 5+ years for my Pawpaw to tase like a Banana. If I want Banana I just go to Costco it dirt cheap there.
Now I'm waiting for my Mango Pawpaw, Tayler pawpaw, Susquehannas pawpaw and 2 seedlings improved cultivars pawpaw to have fruit. So to whom don't like Banana don't be afraid to grow Pawpaw. Thank you for video.
This is an ongoing debate. The problem is that the banana has the closest American flavor profile to the pawpaw.
PA golden is one I haven't tried! Ripeness is one of the biggest things with pawpaw flavor and texture. Soft on the tree is the key. I think it's worth bagging pawpaws after June drop/thinning. I was lucky to try a lot of new pawpaw selections at KSU this year, and there's a few that I think they might release! Is there anyway to prune the shade trees to give them more light? Annonaceous Acetogenins are present and humans have safely consumed pawpaws for millennia.
good job Ross i always wanted to try paw paws but heard they were very diffacult to grow.
Maybe you could plant another one from seed in a sunny spot and graft from your mature trees so it fruits sooner. That way you don’t have to wait another 7 years but you can see if it really will do better in sun
Nice one. Never tried this fruit. 7years is a long time, think it might be a little longer here 😂
Approx how many hours of sun are they getting? I have some that are getting 6+ hours but others that are in almost full shade. They are all too young to fruit, but I’ve been wondering if the shaded trees will produce anything at all. Thanks.
From what I can see, I'm surprised that his trees are producing what they are. Best of luck to you.
A person can't go wrong with buying a grafted tree from a named cultivar. trees grown from a seed are a gamble.
it took me 7 years in sunlight. That's the deal.
Why are they not available in stores? Every other fruit from far and wide is available.
They don't ripen if picked early, and unless refrigerated they turn black and bitter within days. Even if refrigerated they don' last more than a week or two so distribution to grocery stores is a disaster.
Они очень быстро перезревают. Не подлежат длительному хранению в свежем виде.
Mulberries are not available in stores either. Basically for the same reasons. They don't ship well (bruise easily) and they have a short shelf life.
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Legend says you can't swim after eating the Paw Paw Fruit
My mango pawpaw died. I have Wells though and some random seedlings.
very lucky ,what aare you doing with the seeds can you take seeds from that pod you eating and plant them to get fruit do you need to plant more than just one?
You can. Cold stratified first. You do need two.
@@RossRaddi ok but i can use the same two seeds that came from the same fruit pod and that should work if all goes well right
Do you know how I could get a couple paw paws in CA?
Is a pawpaw tree an evergreen tree❓
Ross a friend gave me a young PawPaw tree from his house this year. I planted right away and it looks good. Can you tell me are these self pollenating or should I look for another tree? Thanks
You very likely need another.
Hey Ross, is your yard clay or sandy loam?
Heavy clay. And that spot used to have really terrible soil until I added mulch for many years.
@@RossRaddi good to know. I asked because I’ve been learning about soil and just realizing that plants grow 10X faster in sandy loam. I wonder how pawpaws do in that type? Interesting.
Full sun can be okay for some varieties but with most you'll get sunscald on the fruit and tree so it wasn't necessarily a mistake bud.
You are always complaining about shade from your shade trees. You prune your fruit trees to fruit. Do you trim your shade trees to provide more sun?
As close as that shade tree is, it would need to be cut down.
I just want to taste one...I've never seen one in real life. They are not exactly available. I wonder if they are ever available canned or frozen...
You have to find them locally during pawpaw season.
Integration acres sells it frozen. It's Ohio's state fruit so frozen pawpaw can be found there. The problem is that it's expensive to process. The seeds must be removed since they are toxic.