Flipping love this guy 😃 such a good, enthusiastic and smart communicator! I get the vibe he'd answer any questions I had without making me feel stupid 😊
Me: "I have a question about the use of Chat GPT 3.5 If I have done the research, wrote my outline, paper, and included cites, then ask the AI to examine the topic for the essay, and to look at the paper i wrote and make sure it is not missing anything, and also asking it to correct my cites, in text and on the resources sheet at the end of the paper. Chat GPT doesn't add any new information, but makes suggestions where it detects a better way explain my concepts so others will be able to know what i am saying? This is not a way to get out of learning my grammer, this is because of the way i think, it is sometimes hard for others to understand what I am saying , and sometimes hard for me to explain with out metaphors or symbolism." Chat GPT revision of the above: "I’ve conducted the research, created an outline, and written my paper, including proper citations. Afterward, I asked ChatGPT to review my work for clarity and accuracy, ensuring the concepts were explained in a way that others could understand. I also asked it to check my citations, both in-text and on the references page. I want to clarify that ChatGPT is not generating new content for my paper; rather, it’s helping me express my ideas more clearly, particularly in areas where I struggle with grammar and phrasing. This is not an attempt to bypass learning but rather to ensure my writing communicates my thoughts effectively, as I sometimes find it difficult to express myself without using metaphors or symbolism. So you can clearly see, which is easier to read, however, the Chat GPT proves itself once again and doesn't quite grasp the full intention of my words in this sentence "... it’s helping me express my ideas more clearly, particularly in areas where I struggle with grammar and phrasing." I would then comb my work with a fine toothed comb: And my result would be something like: "The main question I have about the use of Chat Gpt in academic papers results from ensuring clarity and some grammar. I am a bit of a word hoarder and the language model helps me in that area. The AI can understand the overall concept of my ideas and cause them to be easier to realize. Added bonus? The professors can rest easy knowing that I in fact do understand the lesson, as well as grasp my critical analysis of the subject matter. I am not attempting to only half way show up while achieving an acceptable grade. Not at all, this is more time consuming and pushes me to broaden my vocabulary beyond symbolism and metaphors. IS this an ethical way to use Chat GPT?"
Is it valid to just take a few words here and there from chagpt to convey what you really want your readers to understand? Not copying the whole sentences.
This was highly informative and helpful to determine when AI could be used in the academic environment. However, with citations, using AI information does not allow any record of that information that can be retrieved by the end-reader. For most academic papers, I would be able to cross reference with the source material. How can I see the source material if it is lost in the internet?
You're right--this is one of the challenges (if I'm understanding your comment correctly). You would not be able to find the "source material," as the AI models produce unique (or mostly unique?) material for each inquiry a user makes. I'm not sure anyone has really solved this problem yet, on the teaching end, in a definitive way. However, what we're suggesting here is that by at least being really explicit with students about your standards, maybe showing them a video like this to clarify things, etc., you are doing better than ignoring the issue or being vague about it. -BRD
How would you view using AI as a jump-off point? For example using it to discuss particular areas of your paper you could put a focus on (e.g. focussing on the nuances of asymmetric cryptography instead of symmetric cryptography and why asymmetric cryptography is more widely used in practice), then going out and researching the subject yourself to find sources to write your paper with. I personally mainly use it to discuss topics I don't fully understand and in academic work, I only use it for inspiration or to get a general overview but would never copy or paraphrase anything it tells me.
Hi George, I have a question. What if we ask ChatGPT to find a quote or specific article? I haven't done this because I bookmark my articles and old-school tab my hardcover books with post-it note flags, but it would be helpful not to always have my print books next to me for the quote and page number. Can you give me an example(s) of what that would look like? Thank you, Lidia
Hi LidiaPage--using ChatGPT (or other tools) in this way is a great idea! It would be similar, I would think, to using the internet (generally) to find things like this. I don't think people typically cite, say, Google (or another search engine) when they locate resources; they would just use and cite the resource. However, if you use ChatGPT to find a quote, and ChatGPT gives you that quote directly, within ChatGPT, and you want to use that quote in some research or include it in something you're writing, I would say two things: (1) it is always a good practice to go locate that source directly, whether in a book, article, or some other database, to ensure that the quote says what ChatGPT says it says; (2) if you feel you must use the quote directly from ChatGPT without looking up the source for yourself, then I think you have to cite ChatGPT, formally, as the source where you found the quote. -BRD
What if you use ai to reference your research as well even though some pages are not found but either did or do exist at some point as long it’s not a wiki?
If you find something through chatting with an AI tool, and you plan to use that directly, then you have to cite it--presumably by citing ChatGPT as your source, for example, if that's what you used. I don't think the original source or whether something is a Wiki or not would make a difference. The golden rule here is: Show your sources. -BRD
Flipping love this guy 😃 such a good, enthusiastic and smart communicator! I get the vibe he'd answer any questions I had without making me feel stupid 😊
Thank you so much!!!
You are clear and straightforward in your presentation and examples. Thank you so much!
Thanks for your comment!
Thank you! I will definitely be sharing this with my students.
Thanks for sharing!
Me:
"I have a question about the use of Chat GPT 3.5 If I have done the research, wrote my outline, paper, and included cites, then ask the AI to examine the topic for the essay, and to look at the paper i wrote and make sure it is not missing anything, and also asking it to correct my cites, in text and on the resources sheet at the end of the paper. Chat GPT doesn't add any new information, but makes suggestions where it detects a better way explain my concepts so others will be able to know what i am saying? This is not a way to get out of learning my grammer, this is because of the way i think, it is sometimes hard for others to understand what I am saying , and sometimes hard for me to explain with out metaphors or symbolism."
Chat GPT revision of the above:
"I’ve conducted the research, created an outline, and written my paper, including proper citations. Afterward, I asked ChatGPT to review my work for clarity and accuracy, ensuring the concepts were explained in a way that others could understand. I also asked it to check my citations, both in-text and on the references page. I want to clarify that ChatGPT is not generating new content for my paper; rather, it’s helping me express my ideas more clearly, particularly in areas where I struggle with grammar and phrasing. This is not an attempt to bypass learning but rather to ensure my writing communicates my thoughts effectively, as I sometimes find it difficult to express myself without using metaphors or symbolism.
So you can clearly see, which is easier to read, however, the Chat GPT proves itself once again and doesn't quite grasp the full intention of my words in this sentence "... it’s helping me express my ideas more clearly, particularly in areas where I struggle with grammar and phrasing."
I would then comb my work with a fine toothed comb:
And my result would be something like:
"The main question I have about the use of Chat Gpt in academic papers results from ensuring clarity and some grammar. I am a bit of a word hoarder and the language model helps me in that area. The AI can understand the overall concept of my ideas and cause them to be easier to realize. Added bonus? The professors can rest easy knowing that I in fact do understand the lesson, as well as grasp my critical analysis of the subject matter. I am not attempting to only half way show up while achieving an acceptable grade. Not at all, this is more time consuming and pushes me to broaden my vocabulary beyond symbolism and metaphors. IS this an ethical way to use Chat GPT?"
Is it valid to just take a few words here and there from chagpt to convey what you really want your readers to understand? Not copying the whole sentences.
Thanks, very instructive.
This was highly informative and helpful to determine when AI could be used in the academic environment. However, with citations, using AI information does not allow any record of that information that can be retrieved by the end-reader. For most academic papers, I would be able to cross reference with the source material. How can I see the source material if it is lost in the internet?
You're right--this is one of the challenges (if I'm understanding your comment correctly). You would not be able to find the "source material," as the AI models produce unique (or mostly unique?) material for each inquiry a user makes. I'm not sure anyone has really solved this problem yet, on the teaching end, in a definitive way. However, what we're suggesting here is that by at least being really explicit with students about your standards, maybe showing them a video like this to clarify things, etc., you are doing better than ignoring the issue or being vague about it. -BRD
Excellent advice--thanks, Brian
Thank you! -BRD
How would you view using AI as a jump-off point? For example using it to discuss particular areas of your paper you could put a focus on (e.g. focussing on the nuances of asymmetric cryptography instead of symmetric cryptography and why asymmetric cryptography is more widely used in practice), then going out and researching the subject yourself to find sources to write your paper with.
I personally mainly use it to discuss topics I don't fully understand and in academic work, I only use it for inspiration or to get a general overview but would never copy or paraphrase anything it tells me.
Hi George, I have a question. What if we ask ChatGPT to find a quote or specific article? I haven't done this because I bookmark my articles and old-school tab my hardcover books with post-it note flags, but it would be helpful not to always have my print books next to me for the quote and page number. Can you give me an example(s) of what that would look like? Thank you, Lidia
Hi LidiaPage--using ChatGPT (or other tools) in this way is a great idea! It would be similar, I would think, to using the internet (generally) to find things like this. I don't think people typically cite, say, Google (or another search engine) when they locate resources; they would just use and cite the resource. However, if you use ChatGPT to find a quote, and ChatGPT gives you that quote directly, within ChatGPT, and you want to use that quote in some research or include it in something you're writing, I would say two things: (1) it is always a good practice to go locate that source directly, whether in a book, article, or some other database, to ensure that the quote says what ChatGPT says it says; (2) if you feel you must use the quote directly from ChatGPT without looking up the source for yourself, then I think you have to cite ChatGPT, formally, as the source where you found the quote. -BRD
What if you use ai to reference your research as well even though some pages are not found but either did or do exist at some point as long it’s not a wiki?
If you find something through chatting with an AI tool, and you plan to use that directly, then you have to cite it--presumably by citing ChatGPT as your source, for example, if that's what you used. I don't think the original source or whether something is a Wiki or not would make a difference. The golden rule here is: Show your sources. -BRD
I dont call it cheating not unless I will be caught by my professor however, I will still be used the Undetectable AI paper
Your title is an oxymoron.