Great video! I have been listening to some Winston Link tapes he made in the 1950's, and he describes recording the sound of the valve gear and the slap of the drivers on the rail. I noted in your video that the sound changed dramatically once she crested the grade - is what we are hearing mostly stack talk, or the drive gear?
+Paul Bookbinder Mostly stack talk. The reason the sound changed dramatically was because at that point the descent had begun and the engineer then then closed the throttle mostly and the engine was pretty much drifting the rest of the way, coasting, and braking. Sounds to me like the diesel helper wasn't even using any dynamic braking though, or they couldn't be heard with the camera location.
Great video, nice catch on the Clinchfield gondola. Also, on the row of Maintenance of Way cars, I could have swore I saw a very very faded Western Maryland logo in the speed paint scheme on one of the gondolas. I had to look at it really good. I just can't tell because it's just that faded. It's at 41:23
I would know how long the terai was the famed 611 you might have seen took 17 plus extra t ender over Blue ridge summet at about 25 mph its I would say about a one %grade I did not think there were such stiff grades any weres in Michigan let h hope the berk can run on home track again
Nice ride' thank you I'm glad I brought my goggles I got one bug square on one lens. Around minute 23 there was a squeak squawk starting to make itself known, which got quite loud by the end of the run. What was drying out?...Hal
alright hat is a pretty shallow grade. some steep tracks that i know its one sister engine the NKP 765 will be testing is a 40 mile line with a steep 6 feet per half mile with at least a 2 foot over 300 feet.
Matt`s Mocs It's actually a pretty tough grade in railroad terms. The Blue Ridge grade at Villamont, Va is ~1.3%, and that made 611 work pretty hard on her trip home. 765 took on the NS Pittsburgh Line (ex-PRR Mountain Division), which runs 1.76% from Altoona to Horseshoe Curve and 1.86% from HSC to Gallitzin over a total of 12 miles...when doing the Employee specials, the FWRHS crew dropped the power off NS 8100 trailing them and the locomotive actually struggled a bit. They were down to under 10 mph recreating a scene Ross Rowland made nearly 40 years ago...but 1.3% is still tough.
hmm i think i remember another grade on the DL main line. I forget the grade rise but it is an engine killer. It broke american, british mexican and canadian locomotives within its operation with this group. Famously it ruined the 3254`s last run pulling the first full legnth train under the phoebe snow name. having the train end being two DL engines with a third miles away with the 3254 being pulled back. it also put the 928 Repton out of service and back to england. plus made a quiet fearful ride on the Baldwin 26 switcher. That is just with steamtown there is a high wreck up rate due to it starting in the middle of the yard and up in to the top of the mountians itself.
@@JAILRail I was wondering about that myself. Those are from the original Budd order for CB&Q bilevels, the first bilevel commuter cars ever built. I'm pretty curious how they ended up in Cadillac, because I don't know of any passenger operation outside of the Amtrak services and the occasional special like this. There aren't any other commuter services, though I know that they've been trying to get one going between Detroit and Ann Arbor.
@@SynchroScore they are trying to get a service going from Ann Arbor to traverse city but I haven’t heard much more about that. Didn’t know about the Detroit to Ann Arbor one but doesn’t Amtrak already do that on the Wolverine service?
@@rivertownproductions I wasn't aware of any service all the way to Traverse City, but that would be a nice ride. Amtrak does have the Wolverine Service, but the proposed commuter service would add four trains in each direction, with additional stops at Wayne, Ypsilanti, and possibly other stations that Amtrak doesn't currently serve. And with Metra finalizing a contract for new bilevels, the older stainless-steel Budd and Morrison-Knudsen cars could probably be had for pretty cheap by new startups.
unhban MI is the state abbreviation for Michigan. like CO is the abbreviation for the state of Colorado in the USA. All 50 states have two-letter abbreviations.
This was a go pro camera attached to the foothold on the from of the Smokebox. Standing here would be virtually impossible because of all of the shaking. If that didn't bother you, then the impressive sound of the engine that close would, as it would ruin your ears!
It is always fun to see the Pere Marquette 1225 running on the main lines on Michigan Rails.
• Cheers from the Detroit & Mackinac Railway
Pulling into Selma yard, she sounds like she needs a grease job! great video
Sound and perspective are awesome!!
Now THIS is what the GoPro is made for! Take a lesson would-be videographers. Beautiful job!
That is among the best sounds of a steam train I have ever heard, incredible video.
Nice Footage. Glad to see you got to place your camera!
Try listening at a faster speed! It sounds like it's highballing!
Also the sound is amazing, thanks so much for posting
Wow I was on that train and didn't even know there was a camera on the front.
Another great video.....your videos are absolutely amazing!
The sound at 34:00 on, that the air pump?
Nice - but rather than just a shot of the track ahead I would rather see a video taken from behind the engineer looking along the side of the loco.
That is a good place for the Camera I like this
I actually think down by the cylinders is good. I like my moving parts.
@@ironhorsestudios5068 mechanical porn! 😀
the real life polar express your awesome
How did you get your camera back?
the true polar express is the
pere marquette 1225
Great video! I have been listening to some Winston Link tapes he made in the 1950's, and he describes recording the sound of the valve gear and the slap of the drivers on the rail. I noted in your video that the sound changed dramatically once she crested the grade - is what we are hearing mostly stack talk, or the drive gear?
+Paul Bookbinder Mostly stack talk. The reason the sound changed dramatically was because at that point the descent had begun and the engineer then then closed the throttle mostly and the engine was pretty much drifting the rest of the way, coasting, and braking. Sounds to me like the diesel helper wasn't even using any dynamic braking though, or they couldn't be heard with the camera location.
Manton was our Summer Vacation destination during my entire Childhood and Teenage years. The occasional TSBY train was a treat. Very neat!
It’s amazing seeing her power through the countryside from this view
yup he sure has power thats for sure
I've always wondered; how do you get permission for this kind of stuff?
Awesome video!! . Put this on the big screen with a set of high def headphones and its just like riding on the front great job!!!
Great video, nice catch on the Clinchfield gondola. Also, on the row of Maintenance of Way cars, I could have swore I saw a very very faded Western Maryland logo in the speed paint scheme on one of the gondolas. I had to look at it really good. I just can't tell because it's just that faded. It's at 41:23
Also see the L&N at 42:15
ALL ABOARD
This Is The Polar Express
I’m also not addicted to go animate anymore either.
Christmas in July :3
All aboard PERE MARQUETTE 1225
The engineer has to get out his oilcan.
Brilliant work, thanks for posting
I would know how long the terai was the famed 611 you might have seen took 17 plus extra t ender over Blue ridge summet at about 25 mph its I would say about a one %grade I did not think there were such stiff grades any weres in Michigan let h hope the berk can run on home track again
Nice ride' thank you I'm glad I brought my goggles I got one bug square on one lens. Around minute 23 there was a squeak squawk starting to make itself known, which got quite loud by the end of the run. What was drying out?...Hal
At 10:00, my dad and I were on the motorcycle doing a pace shot
Great footage man!!!
When ever I have a problem falling asleep I listen to this exhaust sound.
how did you get your camera on the engine and how did you get it back
very nice well done video
I thought this line was pulled up when the Michigan Northern went bust?
Very impressive. It would have been even better if you would have shown the train and the engine at the start 😊
Maybe one day I’ll operate the 1225!
Nice! And what kind of grade does man ton hill have? Like what is the rise per mile ratio
Manton Hill is a 11.65 mile long hill that rises 1.6 feet per 100 feet in distance.
alright hat is a pretty shallow grade. some steep tracks that i know its one sister engine the NKP 765 will be testing is a 40 mile line with a steep 6 feet per half mile with at least a 2 foot over 300 feet.
Matt`s Mocs That's still a 1.5% grade.
Matt`s Mocs It's actually a pretty tough grade in railroad terms. The Blue Ridge grade at Villamont, Va is ~1.3%, and that made 611 work pretty hard on her trip home. 765 took on the NS Pittsburgh Line (ex-PRR Mountain Division), which runs 1.76% from Altoona to Horseshoe Curve and 1.86% from HSC to Gallitzin over a total of 12 miles...when doing the Employee specials, the FWRHS crew dropped the power off NS 8100 trailing them and the locomotive actually struggled a bit. They were down to under 10 mph recreating a scene Ross Rowland made nearly 40 years ago...but 1.3% is still tough.
hmm i think i remember another grade on the DL main line. I forget the grade rise but it is an engine killer. It broke american, british mexican and canadian locomotives within its operation with this group. Famously it ruined the 3254`s last run pulling the first full legnth train under the phoebe snow name. having the train end being two DL engines with a third miles away with the 3254 being pulled back.
it also put the 928 Repton out of service and back to england. plus made a quiet fearful ride on the Baldwin 26 switcher. That is just with
steamtown there is a high wreck up rate due to it starting in the middle of the yard and up in to the top of the mountians itself.
Awesome! What a neat perspective.
Sounds like the cross hatched spurving rotanators need some grease, to improve roticularity.
do they do this every year?
Great Video and great content! Was that a go pro you used to get the footage
Really cool video.
Thx for the upload.
Awesome footage! I like the angle too. I put my GoPro on the plow of a couple of locomotives. Did you use a GoPro too?
***** I use a bike mount that the GoPro company makes. I get permission because I know one of the engineers who works there.
***** welcome, and alright ill be sure to add the transportation museum to my "to do list" and thanks for suggesting it!
Howell melon Fest in Howell Michigan
Very nice video! Really cool camera placement! At 33:18, are those Metra bi-level commuter cars? What are they doing in Michigan?
+msj191961 There is a passenger service in Michigan that uses them.
@@JAILRail I was wondering about that myself. Those are from the original Budd order for CB&Q bilevels, the first bilevel commuter cars ever built. I'm pretty curious how they ended up in Cadillac, because I don't know of any passenger operation outside of the Amtrak services and the occasional special like this. There aren't any other commuter services, though I know that they've been trying to get one going between Detroit and Ann Arbor.
@@SynchroScore they are trying to get a service going from Ann Arbor to traverse city but I haven’t heard much more about that. Didn’t know about the Detroit to Ann Arbor one but doesn’t Amtrak already do that on the Wolverine service?
@@rivertownproductions I wasn't aware of any service all the way to Traverse City, but that would be a nice ride. Amtrak does have the Wolverine Service, but the proposed commuter service would add four trains in each direction, with additional stops at Wayne, Ypsilanti, and possibly other stations that Amtrak doesn't currently serve. And with Metra finalizing a contract for new bilevels, the older stainless-steel Budd and Morrison-Knudsen cars could probably be had for pretty cheap by new startups.
Why in the minute 17:13 the normal sound of the train changed?
The engine went into a coast as it descended the grade
@@thatoneguy611 thanks.
Great! But any chance of adding a map reference to Google maps for where it starts? Us Brits have no idea :)
Search for Manton, MI. It is uphill almost the whole way from Manton to Cadillac.
pm1225cp Thanks, but what is MI?
unhban MI is the state abbreviation for Michigan. like CO is the abbreviation for the state of Colorado in the USA. All 50 states have two-letter abbreviations.
Absolutely awesome!!!
Fails to blow whistle at some grade crossings. Why?
34:00 Squeaking does not sound healthy.
+Robert Gift the squeaking is the steam powered air compressor
It did you just can't here it because the gopro mics aren't that great.
Robert Gift: it blew its whistle. I heard it. And you don’t have to blow the whistle/horn at private crossings. Not required
very cool
Very unique perspective. I'm impressed that you could stand there so still for so long!!!
;)
This was a go pro camera attached to the foothold on the from of the Smokebox. Standing here would be virtually impossible because of all of the shaking. If that didn't bother you, then the impressive sound of the engine that close would, as it would ruin your ears!
are you in Massachusetts?! Cuz I see the MBTA Commuter
When did that happen
Perfect 👌
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This video shows 10:00 from my point of view
No whistle?
Sean: it whistled
Eh... Weird seeing the MI train bilevels in a place soo far from Detroit. Man, you are lucky to always being able to do stuff like this.
What a magnificent locomotive (SP 4449s better). Awesome video.