WHAT IS HARDINGE SPEED LATHE 750 tubalcain
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- An introduction to the HARDINGE Speed Lathe --- aka "Second Operation Lathe".
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Always a pleasure watching the videos that you make. The videos are always interesting and I always watch to the very end. Thank you for making me a little smarter with each video.
I managed a shop that had a Hardinge tool room lathe. Every time I introduced a new machinist, they'd walk straight over to it to admire.
Thanks Pete!
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Thanks again mr. pete! As a machinist for 50+ years I was always very fortunate to work for companies which had Hardinge equipment. It’s very easy to become really spoiled with this equipment! I ran mostly the HLVH series. AKA Super Precision Toolroom Lathes. Last lathe I got to purchase for my prototype shop at a large Japanese company was in1994. Hardinge had just discontinued their precision Chucker and the cost of my lathe (HLVH E/M) was $59,000 including the options I wanted. It was really with great difficulty to obtain approval from Japan to purchase the desired machine, as at the time they wanted me to purchase a new 8N Mazak CNC lathe for much less money. Long story short, after Japan saw the many different prototype parts made on the Hardinge, they purchased two machines for there technical centers. By the way my HLVH/EM meant it was equipped with inch and metric threading capabilities. Everyone who have threaded on a HLVH knows the only machines any faster are the old Cridan Treading Machines or any CNC lathe! Thanks for a great video!!!
Thank you, that was interesting
I have restored several Hardinge lathes. A couple of HSL toolroom lathes and couple of speed lathes and a full CNC lathe. One of the speed lathes has been converted to CNC. Most of this done 10 years or more ago. Hardinge is an excellent company to deal with. Their parts are reasonable if not cheap. Bearings from them are cheaper than a bearing store. You can buy and replace spindle bearings (done it several times) and the cost for their excellent bearing is reasonable. I bought new ball screws from Hardinge for the CNC for less than others quoted to repair them. I priced a piece of Lexan to make a replacement window for the CNC but Hardinge quoted half for the complete window. You can buy all the label plaques to restore the look to like new for modest cost. You can buy new slide leadscrews and untapped nuts (often left hand acme thread) and Hardinge will lend you the tap to make the new nut. (done that too). You do it all in place for proper alignment. Try finding a left acme tap anywhere else. We would powder coat the base and other accessories but not bake the lathe itself. The lathe would go to an auto painter for fill and paint. Of course their standards are higher than ordinary industrial standards. Our Hardinge lathes shine like a Ferrari fender. The upside down dovetail bed is very unique and clever. First the critical surfaces are underneath so don't see chips. Under cutting loads the forces pull the tool down to be instead of lifting it. So it is remarkably rigid and offers great surface finishes. On the HSL toolroom lathes the tail stock is outrageously heavy and hard to push. But if you drill a little air hole in the center of it and put a few PSI of shop air to it glides on the wide flat dovetail bed like an air hockey puck, You won't believe how nice it is. I have an HSL lathe at work and at home both tailstocks float. I use air driven collet closers instead of the lever ones although the lever ones work well.
Decades ago I met the president of Hardinge at IMTS and told him how happy I was with their service. He said he profit made by over charging a customer for a part is not worth the cost of turning someone away from buying their next machine from us. You make more money with cheap parts than expensive ones. I wish everyone in the industry knew that.
Glad to hear you pronounce Hardinge correctly I wouldn't expect any less but some TH-camrs seem to think it is Harding not Hardinge.
Drives me nuts to hear that.
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Thank you for an interesting comment. I am very surprised that their parts are so reasonable. Generally, repair parts are outrageously expensive, even for automobiles
I loved this trip down memory lane! I used to be an assembler for Hardinge back in the 1980's. They were a wonderful company to work for. Thanks for what you do! God Bless You Mr Pete...
Can I trouble you to answer a question? I have heard "Hardinge" pronounced two ways - the way it reads, rhyming with "hinge," but also pronounced to rhyme with "ding." You were there, what say you?
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I’d be interested to learn that, too. I’ve never met anyone who worked there. FWIW, I hope the family used the “ding” pronunciation rather than the “dinge”, which just doesn’t sound right.
Since you were an actual employee, is it 'harding' or 'hardinj' ?
I see that they were made in Elmira, NY. My father was a salesman for Ward LaFrance
Thank you for this video. The veneration for the Hardinge machines is easy to understand from the attention to detail and accuracy. The facing attachment alone is highly prized, and rightly so.
I missed one on a local e-bay equivalent site by 10 minutes. It was situated 1000 miles away but I would happily have driven there and back to collect it! The asking price clearly showed the seller had no idea what he had.
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I see those pop up about once every 2 weeks on facebook marketplace
Usually in Michigan or Ohio
@@randylyon2063 Sadly I live in South Africa. Shipping costs more than double the price of a bargain, and a small pension and an exchange rate of more than 15 to the US$ means I don't do much looking on US sites.
For me, it was love at first sight when it came to Hardinge toolroom lathes. Do well designed, superbly built and easy to use.
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Nice Video Mr. Pete.
I have 5 CNC's in my shop, and yet my Hardinge Speed Lathe I have is one of my favorite machines to run. The ability to hold small round parts quickly and efficiently is why I'm very fond of it. Plus there is hardly any runout.
I have a turret attachment that I use on my speed lathe most of the time. It has 6 positions and is very handy for drilling type operations. If I could add a picture of it here I would.
These also work great as a power head. Many times I'll put a chamfer tool in the collet and use the machine to simply turn the chamfer tool instead of using a cordless drill. This allows me to have two free hands to hold the parts and deburr holes.
Thanks much and I hope all is well,
Timm
I just learned something new AGAIN! Thank you for sharing this history and providing a great tour of the machine. What a beauty!
In 1964, I commenced a 5 year Machinist Apprenticeship. I was lucky enough to be given a brand new Hardinge Tool Room Lathe.
While the workshop foreman and other tradesmen considered the Hardinge lathe a “Toy” l was able to use it to a high degree of accuracy.
It had the Dovetail bed and a variable speed electric powered motor on the tail stock end which was for power feed both longitudinal and cross slide operation.
It also had a lead screw and Norton type quick change gear box for “Screw Cutting”.
As well as a collet chuck it had both a three jaw self centring chuck and a four jaw independent.
One other feature it had was a variable speed belt drive, which consisted of a cone drive pulley on the motor and a hand wheel which varied the width between the cone pulley thus changing the headstock spindle speed.
All in all it was a great little lathe. I would love to have it now.
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Mr Pete, thanks so much for the video. Still watching! Very happy.
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What a Awesome person, love all your videos. Mechanic for 51 years truck and car. I have taken a love for machining, watching all of your videos and educating myself, wish I had you in high school. Keep the video coming, bet you can walk right in to high school or tech school and teach god bless you hope I’m as alert as you are at what ever age you are.
Thank you for watching
Interesting to see a picture in the catalog of the lathe being used as a horizontal mill for a slitting operation. 14:33 Thanks Mr. Pete!
Thank you Mr Pete. Old machines are the best. I prefer them totally and will not replace them ever with anything manufactured today. Good content on a beautiful lathe.
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That Hardinge 5C milling machine was the one I worked with when I worked there back in '77-'85, slotting collets, feedfingers, pads, etc. Customer division in Elmira Heights NY, glad I have my fingers, seen guys lose some hair around multi spindle drill presses, OD grinder parts flying out cutting a forehead. Old guys fighting over a fan during those hot, humid days. No longer involved in machining, the memories are there.
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I completely understand you being smitten with Hardinge machines, I am as well. I have a 1969 HLV-H that I completely restored. It was disassembled, stripped, painted, new headstock bearings, and best of all the bed plate was ground. It is likely one of a very few HLV-H machines where after bed plate grind, it was not shimmed, but rather the tailstock was machined, followed by bonding Rulon and scraping the tailstock to align it with the headstock. I just considered shimming the bed plate a shortcut of sorts. It is by far my favorite machine in the shop. I also have a rebuilt DSM-59 with the 6 position turret, tailstock, cross slide/compound, and a radius attachment. We bought 4 DSM-59s and a Hardinge vertical milling machine at a closing shop about 5 years ago. One can really learn to appreciate the quality of Hardinge machines when they disassemble one. They really are close to perfection. Thanks for doing what you do for us.
It is good to hear from another Hardinge aficionado. At the age of 16, I recognize that they were something special
Morning Mr Pete and everyone else. Well I had my cup of coffee and then was happy to find an episode from Tubalcain on Wednesday. Very nice.
Thanks for the video. Great little precision machines. So good the Chinese bought the company. My gunsmith had one he used to ream and trim cartridge cases with. He was a good man, lost him two years ago at age 94. He was still tinkering with and re-barreling guns.
No small, I think about 1000kg
It's a nice little machine with a very eye pleasing shape and I do like the green. Thank you for sharing Mr. Pete.
First and finest lathe I used was a Hardinge Brothers Super Precision. Interesting to see the speed lathe explained.
I sure enjoy your videos. I also machined a Stuart no. 4 It got me my first job in a machine shop. Some of the shops had Hardinge lathes They were so nice to work on. Now I have a 9" Jet lathe and a shall mill. 2 wood lathes. So at 81 I still keep busy. Thanks again for your videos.
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We had a small shop at Kearfott Guidance and Navigation Corp, where I worked there for 33 years, and in it was the small Hardinge Lathe and stand, in grey, pictured at minute mark 1:47 of this video! It was just a beautiful piece of equipment! I will ALWAYS remember the ivory inset hand wheels and angle view port! Thanks for this great video!
Always nice to see other equipment. Thanks for sharing...
What is there not to love about this or Hardinge Bros machines? That facing attachment cross slide is a work of art. Thanks Mr Pete.
Lyle - Your lathe was built 18 miles from where I am sitting, have known several people who worked there over the years. Another good informative video - excellent edutainment this evening.
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Spent 40 years in a machine shop and Hardinge machines were very popular in my first 5 years, which was about 50 years ago.
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Thank you for the detailed look at the finishing lathe . What a lovely machine .
I live 20 minutes from Hardinge. My uncle has worked there for almost 40 years. Great machine's.
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beautiful - still watching ? you bet ! Educational with humor - love it !
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One or the first jobs I had when I went to work at the Naval Ordnance Plant in 1962 was a job on a Hardinge lathe
, we had 10 to 15 of them.
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I just got home from 14 hours of moving telephone poles in a deere 724k loader. I'll relax and learn something then get ready for bed. Thank you.
You better get some rest
@@mrpete222 I did. Thank you! 😊
Looks like a very useful addition to a Worksop. Thanks for sharing MrP
Thank you for the education on using the HARDINGE lathe. My shop teacher from school.
Another very informative video, always learn something new.. Just looked at E- bay and a Hardinge cross slide like yours is over $2000.
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Dear Mr. Pete, It was a pleasure to see your demonstration. Obviously you know that it is absolutely correct to use some wood to protect the bed when mounting and dismounting a three jaw chuck, but this level of professionalism is not seen very often. Kind regards, Graeme.
Ive always been jealous of this hardinge you got lyle! the Cadillac of lathes!
Hello Mr. Pete from Canada. We watch you in my small shop with some guys here. Always good to learn from you...
Hello to all you wonderful Canadians
What a beautiful piece of machinery. Thanks for sharing.
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There was a ful length, with tail stock, Hardinge speed lathe(it was only known as "the bench lathe") in the shop where I served my apprenticeship. I used it quite often to make small assembly tools for production as well as winding music wire into springs.
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RIP little Hardinge lathe
That really is well made, the new owners have an awesome piece of equipment
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Thanks Mr Pete. I would love to have one of those with some attachments. Those dials are really nice too.
Hardinge... Know the name well... it was a turret lathe and I was stuck operating that machine all through Junior High and high school at my dad's machine shop... after school of course
Yes I'm still watching and I'm going to keep my eyes out for one But I'm enjoying the video Iike always Thank you
Thanks for sharing Lyle
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Very interesting, thanks for sharing
I am still watching.
What a thing of beauty.
I absolutely love how hardinge always went the extra step when it comes to quality. I cannot afford to own their machines, but I often get accessories off of eBay. Even a product as simple and ubiquitous as a collet is always noticeably better quality than it's cohorts. Typically very very small details that make the difference, but when you order 60-year-old equipment, you cannot count on precision. The hardinge gear seems to hold its precision for longer than other manufacturers. I don't know if it is the steel they used, or the care that their customers practiced, but it is undeniable
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You have no idea how much I miss having a garage and a super precision right now. Seems like things that were possible just 10 years ago are getting further and further away again.
Sorry to hear that
Great video as always. Never get tired of the education you give me. Thanks !!
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Still watching. Happy.
Glad I caught this video, very informative and useful
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I did too. My vocational metal shop was my favorite class!
I would really like to see that small facing holder disassembled. That has given me an idea, and I'll be digging to find an exploded diagram. Didn't know I needed one of those until this video! Thank you Professor! I'm still learning! And yes, I watch all the way to the end. Thanks for putting so much content into your videos.
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And another great one in the can from our most favorite machinist..the man with the Golden Voice!!! keep 'em coming!!
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Thanks for the informative vid!! Those are a real nice machine to work on along with the larger tool room lathes they made. Thanks again!
Best you tube channel in existence, thank you Mr Pete!!!
Thank you very much, tells someother people that. lol
I worked for HBI for 37 years in both sales and service. I came across your video am so happy that you enjoyed using our machines. They are the very best.
That is awesome! we had two of your machines when I was a high school student. The kids liked them so much, that we would call them as we came in the room. I got dibs on the Hardinge.
Great video, as always.
Happy yes, always with this guy.
Every machine in your shop serves a purpose, that Hardinge is no exception. Great video and as usual well done. May your thanksgiving celebration & observance be one for all your clan to remember
Entertaining as always. Keep up the good works, Mr. Pete.
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Always happy when I'm watching you sir, thank you so much are please keep on teaching and showing us.
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That's a cool lathe never seen or heard of one, thanks Pete for showing it off.
Nice overview of the lathe. That is a super nice lathe. Thanks Lyle.
Great to learn more about that little machine. I priced a used Hardinge tool room lathe once and the price, though I'm certain the lathe was worth it, made me lower my accuracy standards quite a bit. :-)
I watched the video in its entirely as I do with every video you put up . I love the manner and way you explain how things work . Wish you where my trade school teacher here in Australia Mr Pete . Take care mate
Thank you very much
Thanks for the great video Lyle. I might have to pick one up to go with my mighty Clausing.
That was absolutely fascinating!!! I have been a fan of Keith Rucker for many years now and clearly I have just found another TH-cam toolmaker/machinist to follow!!!
Brilliant work--I especially like the colour and first-hand experience you can describe for us. Please keep these videos coming!
Thank you, I will
Thank you for sharing. Enjoyed the Show and Tell.
You're a lucky man! I'm envious of your collection of machines. Great vid.
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Good idea for lathes with no tail stock or quick change.. poor mans second op lathe. Thanks teach
I'm so pleaser for your sharing information 👍👍👍👍🌟
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That adjustable height toolpost is amazing.
Have a good day Mr. Pete
what beautiful machines those hardinge are!!
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Not only still watching, happy, not sure, if it moved, does that mean I am happy... all that hand scraping is gorgeous. The whole machine is very cool, not sure I would ever have a need for it, but its very cool. That is a very slick lantern tool post, even if I would prefer an AXA. That yellow is horrid!
Beautiful machine. The quality that you don't see today. I kind of like the green, it adds a splash of color to the shop
VERY interesting machine. Parts that are hardened and blued. Readout that is given the same visibility to users as a tape measure. Attachments for so many precision operations also. I feel rather well educated by this tool expose, you brought to us. Despite the appearance of simplicity I now think this to be one of the finest built lathes one might ever come into contact with. Sealed bearings, a lift point, collet attachment. Rather high end product alright 🙂
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Great video I did not know of this machine very cool.and I did see the pin in the jaw or head unit,and I did see the stamped engraving.wish I would of had you for a shop teacher back in the day....I graduated in 86,with vocational studies from machine shop to auto body. Subscriber for life.
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What a nice piece to have in any small shop. I see my Themac grinder setting on it noe (@@). I am bring home a SB 9jr and tooling for helping promote that Hugh Liquidation sale, so that going to be a big plus for our shop,,Thx Lyle for showing this Hardinge,,,Bear.
You can get an Aloris (or maybe Dorian) tool holder for that base which has a Jacobs chuck. By adjusting the tool holder height and the cross slide, you can align it with the spindle for drilling and reaming. One advantage is that (on a conventional lathe) you can drill with a power feed.
I have one of those. But it is in the size B. Will not fit on the Hardinge
@@mrpete222 - You might see if anyone would like to trade if you don't have a need for the B-size.
Very interesting ! Thank you,-- once more !
Perfect timing for this video. On the same day it was posted, I came across one of these in a storage room of a customer of mine, along with a surface grinder & a tool grinder I'm interested in buying. It is on the Hardinge stand, and has most of the facing and forming attachment, (I didn't see the tool holders). Nobody had any idea what it is, but they want to sell all three, and I'll definitely make an offer on this too. Thanks Pete!
Yes, buy it
Nice to see some use for it.Thank you.
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11:50 is anyone still watching ? Yep
11:54 is everyone happy ? Yep
Please, do carry on, Mr Pete 😊
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PS. The way the cross-slide mounts on the bed dovetail is very similar to old-style mounts for optic sights on precision rifle, prior to Picatinny rails. Two points, one mating surface and a cam. It's a very good solution to retain aiming zero, aka angular precision.
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Theses lathes are awsome ive used them at work for one off parts.
Such a cool lathe. I've had the privilege of using Hardinge slide rests, and I can say they really spoil you.
Neat stuff Mr. Pete. Keep 'em coming please!
Never seen one of these. Thanks!
That's a beautiful machine, I always wondered how plausible one of these would be as someone's main hobby lathe, they sometimes come up stupid cheap and there's bound to be workarounds for the lack of a lead screw.
The biggest drawback is almost none of the ones I have seen have come with a usable selection of accessories.
THe "Accessories for these machines can set you way Back ...Owners are Very proud of them, and Charge accordingly. It is not unusual for you to equip your lathe with the essentials, and will have spent 3 times the lathe cost for them. Monetarily wise, they are not for the shy...Luckily, the run to CNC has left a lot of these machines up for sale. Look around -- They are there -- But Bring 3 men and a strong boy to load them!
A machine that's a work of Art !
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Very cool thanks for sharing
Very informative in interesting. Thank you for sharing this.
12:38 I love that height adjustment, Very unique.
I think I know I will soon but you are never gonna die!
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thanks Mr Pete that's a nice little lathe .JM
The principal limitation was not the absence of a tailstock, but (in my view) the lack of a bed advance mechanism (lead screw) like every other engine lathe possesses. This makes it impossible to thread, and difficult to advance the tool along the work since it must be manually advanced. It's readily apparent that this machine is only an adjunct to a conventional lathe.
It is nicely made. I sometimes used an old Hardinge Tool Room lathe when I was in graduate school. It was an excellent machine.
Threading ? Have you heaad of taps & dies ;)
Any necessary longitudinal movement would be provided by the attachment. They wouldn't want to add features people didn't want - the features a buyer wanted would be provided by the attachments bought.
@@millomweb Yes. I've heaad of taps & dies. You fail to understand what I've said here. No tool advancement except manually.
Really nice lathe.👍🏻 We have one similar to that at work, but longer, built like a precision tank. Oh I’m still watching, matter of fact I’ve been watching your 2012
shop tips.
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I run a small machine shop for a company that makes experiments for zero gravity on the space station and I’ve been looking for one of these.
I found a HLV-Hin good shape and the guy had a Hardinge speed lathe crammed back in the corner. Of course, he said he wanted to keep the speed lathe. But then he said he’d sell it. He’s "thinking about the price", so it might not be within my budget. The Hardinge tool room lathes are going for crazy money now. I got a quote from a reseller on a HLV-EM with the English / metric dials and threading. 1986 model . $26,000. It was in factory perfect shape but geeze.