Here's the list of products reviewed. More details in the video description. Thank you! Diablo Sandnet: amzn.to/3qP72rD Diablo: amzn.to/3bM1zhj DuraGold: amzn.to/3rLU3IN Mirka: amzn.to/3leBiLr Tiger Shark: amzn.to/3ctMqQH Makitoya: amzn.to/3cnQzpm Norton: amzn.to/2Q0vXvU Bosch: amzn.to/2Nm35xe Makita: amzn.to/3rLUNxz DeWalt: amzn.to/2OlgUwr DeWalt Orbital Sander: amzn.to/3tgsiZ5
I was in my local family owned hardware store last week and guess who they were watching on the tv? Project Farm! You're very popular here in small town Alabama!
Yes and its a fairly safe guess what products they'll be stocking when Project Farm's test results are in. In this case Project Farm's testing is clearly having an effect on retailers' purchasing decisions. Otherwise they are being made purely on marketing hype and the "perceived" company reputation which time and time again Project Farm demonstrates are not reliable guides when trying to find the best products out there or alternatively price/performance.
Wish my local hardware store was that in tune with their market. I live in a yuppy area and even a brand new clean hardware store will have half the small hardware bins empty. Bums me out they make online my only option if I don't wanna a 50pack of bolts from a fastener specialist store
things like this are why the local hardware store has held on despite HD and Lowes. Besides nothing better when you need to fix something, the local hardware store owner always knows what you need. Show em some super odd nut or bolt and sure enough they have a drawer of them.
@@ProjectFarm You're very welcome! Your honest and unsolicited reviews have driven many of mine and others purchasing decisions on products around my town! Thank you sir!
Independent consumer reviews like this are so unbelievably important, it cannot be understated how much these are appreciated. Not only does it provide clarity for the consumer, but the boost in reputation from preforming well on this channel no doubt challenges the manufacturer to strive to provide the highest quality product. Not only do you show us how to use our money best, it tells the companies that we want to spend out money wisely, and producing a HIGHER quality product becomes the standard.
i love how you literally started a few MONTHS ago, to make sure that you had good testing media. mad genius. i appreciate your dedication. thanks for being one of the most useful resources on youtube.
This is pure devotion, you literally did the thing that everyone hates the most and spent 12 hours doing it just to make this video for us, what a beast. Keep up the great work 👍🏼🔥
@@ProjectFarm The only person to really test the products that people use and spend money on repeatedly, great to see someone testing which is best for your wallet and top performer. You talked a bit fast in this one but that is fine as i slowed it down to 0.75 playback to get more of the info i missed.
@@ProjectFarm Todd, I've been following your page since you first started, 3 or 4 years ago, and I turned my pop & brother on to it as well.. My brother wont buy a new tool, until he watches or re-watches one of your reviews.
3M certainly has a well-deserved reputation for high quality; overall results: 13:27 I'm really impressed that 3M Cubitron was the only brand which was hardly degraded at all by sanding on metal for 2 minutes: 13:16 True fact: I have a lot of 8" diskettes, with data on them, which I would love to recover. But the _ONLY_ brand which is still usable, 1/3 century later, is 3M. The other brands all self-destruct in the diskette drive, because the adhesive which sticks the oxide recording layer to the substrate has degraded, and the oxide comes off when the head rubs it. (Unfortunately, the data I want is on the other brand diskettes, mostly BASF and Wabash -- if anyone knows a way to read those diskettes, please contact me.)
@@ProjectFarm I will ask a bit of a counter-question. So if you are looking at maximum removal, this test is perfect. The good performance of removing materials from some of the brands might also suggest that the grain size could be larger or rougher than on the lower performing brands, i.e. different production standards/quality. So if one brands 120-grit is actually a 125 grit, it of course should outperform another brand which have their 115-grit labelled as 120 grit. It would be interesting to see the performance between papers from different batches, to see if the quality is consistent between different manufacturing runs. Other times you might be looking for the best finish including (or the lack of) circular scratches, lesser risk of burning the materials, degrading between center and outer edges (leading back to finish quality) and etcetera. This might be a bit extreme lengths, but I think that this test could be worth revisiting with different criteria to test. All cheers for an awesome channel!
I'm not going to ignore the fact that you spent over 7 1/2 hours holding a sander just so I can make informed buying decisions for my home improvement consumables. Thanks to you for devoting so much effort into these test. Also, thanks to your shop vac filter that had to clean up that sanding dust.
It was nice to see such a wide range of countries that manufactured the sandpaper(Including the US). I got extremely used to seeing almost everything made in China. LOL As always, another top notch product testing video. Thank you!
Idk if he's already done this. But now that spring is coming, maybe a series on electric/battery powered lawnmowers/string trimmers compared to gas powered might be needed
@@tonycstech he's tested impacts chainsaws I'm pretty sure he tests it all he should be able to get the major brands like dewalt milwaukee makita ryobi and maybe throw in a harbor freight brand or lesser known brands for under 4 grand that's not too bad
@@PeterTrimboli yeah he definitely could afford it, especially considering someone crunched the number and they found PF makes approx. 88,000 dollars a year
Awesome. I like how you speed through these but are thorough so that I don't spend an hour watching a comparison. Your reviews are the best I have seen.
Ha Ha! You’re so right man. These manufacturers can only ride their name and reputation for so long, and then PF comes along and throws a literal wrench into the equation.
I've always enjoyed PF videos, but I just realized one more thing I think makes the channel great: you can tell he has the real life experience of using these products in daily life by the tests he chooses. He knows to test paint removal and clogging for sandpaper because he's done it in real life. He tests chainsaw sharpeners after dulling the chain in the dirt because he's done it in real life. An authentic guy like us trying to figure out the best product, not another talking head shill unboxing or "review" that's nothing more than regurgitating the marketing wank.
I know one thing I'm buying my buddy with this stimulus payment. He's been furloughed through this pandemic and has turned to woodworking to pass time, but buys cheap sandpaper. I saw him go through an entire pack of [redacted]-brand sandpaper sanding maybe 75% of a chair he had built. I'd love to see his face when he can sand an entire picnic table with one sheet of Cubitron (or two sheets; I'm generous). Top-notch content as always. The prep work, the tests themselves, the microscopic views, the editing, the personality, humor, and award-winning smile deserve millions more subscribers.
My only criticism of the first test was immediately resolved, when you continued to test each sheet incrementally, up to 25 minutes (I thought you were going to stop testing at five minutes). You were very thorough, and did a great job of showing the side by side comparisons. You're the best in the business, and I recommend your videos to everyone who buys tools.
I can't tell you the amount of times I've used your reviews on deciding what to spend my money on. You are the best real use reviewer on YT! Thank you for all the hard work and time you put into your videos.
Incredible amount of work went into this! Just the testing alone without the planning, getting the materials together, compiling the results or editing took hours! Such commitment.
I've seen a few videos of somewhat bitter people trying to break down your net worth and subtract from your success, but I am so happy to know that you and your family probably make a good income from your great work, and I'm happy to sit through a full Panera Ad to earn you the extra $0.002 cents!
Oh I can’t remember the TH-camr, but they run a channel attempting to reveal how much popular TH-camrs make. And if I remember correctly he was trying to show that ProjectFarm was in it for the money... I say who cares, the man ought to be rich off such good work!
The amount of work you put into these tests is incredible. Nearly every item in my tool shed has been purchased with your recommendations. Keep up the good work!
As someone who also hates sanding, much thanks to Todd for the best advice on sandpaper brands that help me avoid doing it any more than absolutely necessary.
3m invented modern sandpaper back in the early 1900s. They started as a mining company but it was the invention and production of sandpaper that made them take off. Their name is on everything these days and they are one of the largest companies in the world because of sandpaper. "Minnesota Mining and Manufacturing", 3M. The "sand" on sand paper is a mining by-product.
@@1pcfred 3M wet diamond grit was what I use to use to get my snowboard, and skis ready for ski season, it was the only paper I found that would remove last seasons old wax, without gumming the paper up too bad. start at Blue 1200, and work my way up to pale green 8000, for the smoothest surface I could get, and then 3 coats of Mr Zogs SexWax
@@BYOTools the 3M is awesome. Amazon has a package of 15 for $5. Three each of grits 80, 120, 150, 180, and 220. You won’t be disappointed. Just make sure it’s hook and loop or sticky. A buddy of mine ordered the wrong kind for his. Also love your videos as well. Keep up the good work.
@@bkelevate wow bud! Love hearing that and I must say you have great taste in youtube channel haha! Thanks so much for the support and can’t wait to try 3m out.
Great test. Based on your results, I would say if you're an occasional user, go with the 3M. Spending the extra money for occasional use will not hurt you, and your sandpaper will last the longest. If you're a contractor or go through tons and tons of sandpaper on a regular basis, go with the regular Diablo brand. 90% of the performance at half the cost. Big cost savings over time.
Sand net lasts significantly longer than the regular Diablo and it can be cleaned & reused. HD regularly runs hefty sales on 50 packs w/5 different grits. Sand net is a much better value than the Diablo.
Depends, if your paying for the sandpaper and also getting paid by the hour to sand diablo all the way. If your paying for the sandpaper and paying your guys by the hour to sand the 3M removed 32% more material in 25min. If the job is done in 40min vs 60min the extra $1 on sand paper is of little consequence.
I love the way you visualized the data in the charts on this episode. The average placement was a smart way to accumulate and display the results over multiple tests. Thanks!
Your tests are always well thought out, and you videos allow people to see exactly what your results you get. You have to be the most trustworthy unbiased guy on TH-cam.
@@ProjectFarm The McKesson Nitrile 911 exam gloves are the ones we used when I was an EMT, they were very durable, pretty thick, I've used them framing houses and had some last all day
I've always thought Diablo products were the best bang for the buck but I didn't realize that some of their products are actually the best product not just the best value. Their saw blades are the only ones I run anymore. Also I really appreciate that you've basically become "Consumer Reports" for us blue collar folks who work with our hands.
this is what consumer reports was supposed to be until they became a corporate shill. i hope this guy doesn't sell out i bought many products based on his videos. The only one i would really disagree with so far is the double sided tape, the 3m vhb tape is far superior to anything else that exists. i bought all three top products and 2 failed where the 3m stuff worked as expected (taping various things to bottom of my desk)
This is one I've been hoping for. I buy name brands like 3M and Norton when it comes to sandpaper. I guess I have to try out some Diablo stuff next time. EXCELLENT test procedures and interesting results. Todd is the MAN! Thank you so much!
easily one of my favorite channels. no BS intro or talking in the beginning. just straight testing and facts. you can tell the videos are well rehearsed...no stumbling over sentences 'umm...umm...kinda this kinda that'. very well done!
As a painter/handyman I take pride on the work/service I provide, having people like this guy taking out the guessing part on buying tools and materials is priceless, it’s much more fun watching videos like this or just taking on an other project, keep up the good work.
I had a feeling that 3M and Diablo would top the charts. Which is great! I'm surprised that Dewalt / Makita / Bosch were all so marginal, figured they would've ranked a little better.
@@JasonPeltier lol that strike a lil' salty nerve, did it? As previously mentioned, they should stick to tools then. Instead, they choose to bend brand loyal dummies (I've got a hunch you just might be one!) over by pumping out cheap garbage with a premium price tag. Shady, unethical, bad, but not surprising business practices. Thank you @PF for bringing these shortcomings to light for consumers to see! Your thorough, unbiased, unsponsored reviews and product tests are an invaluable source of info!
I will happily flip out when I see a product in a store with the Project Farm Approved star/gear cog on it. You deserve it Todd & family, awesome content as always!
Thank you so very much for this sandpaper test. I really needed this. I will be doing a lot of sanding this spring and summer. Take care and God bless. Keep up the great videos.
After sanding tables for hours and hours at my last job, I can say with certainty that the quality of one brand can drastically change between grits. Some brands that are great at 120 are absolutely rubbish at anything over 800 and vice-versa. I would love to see a breakdown at each major grit between all these brands.
thank you so much for this video todd! i was at home depot early last week looking for sandpaper, the mid 60s employee recommended diablo based on his experience and asked me to try the sand net and bring back a review as he hasn’t had any feedback yet. i had all good things to say about the product to him and will forsure forward this video to him. i appreciate all your work and always look forward to sunday’s because of you
Dude you are a life saver for all of us not sure what product to purchase. I always watch your videos now so I can make an informed decision and quite often I find myself telling others to look you up on TH-cam. Keep it up man.
My dad was engineering manager for one of the norton plants in texas and designed the assembly line machines. It and 3M were top brands. Then they were bought by a french company and switched to some other company's machines, got rid of the engineers and the quality went down.
Awesome Job! The only thing I can think of to add would be a ranking of total grams removed per cost. Using the grams removed after 25 Minutes for price per gram removed Makitoyo $0.005 Diablo $0.009 Tigershark $0.010 Dura Gold $0.012 Norton $0.013 Mirka $0.014 3m $0.016 Bosch $0.017 Dewalt $0.020 Makita $0.026 sandnet $0.029
Yeah, If I'm interpreting you correctly. Even though the 3M was the better performer, you could change the Makitoyo to a new sheet 2 more times to get new sanding speed and still be cheaper than the 3M. The Diablo however, is the real competition, it sanded, stayed clean, and stayed sharp. It definitely made the Makitoyo less useful.
WOW, you never cease to amaze us with your scientific results. And expose a lot of marketing hype from some major companies. Thanks again for your efforts and take care!
Now imagine the turmoil at the DeWalt and Makita HQ after this episode and a marketing brain storm how to justify yet again their sky-high prices for such a poor performsmce... lol - marketing managers there are going to have some sleepless nights
Amazing selection of branded sand papers. I really like that recently you included brands we can also get in the EU/UK. Older videos seemed to be based more around US available tools, and perhaps in the last 6 months/last year i found that your selection included these other brands too. It is very useful to see these as they are directly applicable to our countries too. Top job as always!
I'm in process of a restoration of a old car. Hours and hours of sanding is ahead of me. You no doubt saved me many. What some disks I bought in error...Thank you once again.
Yeah, I've worked with DuraGold and 3m sandpaper at my old job doing paint correction on cars. 3m was by far the best. We ended up chunking all of the DuraGold sandpaper in the trash lol. It just doesn't perform as well. And is more time consuming to get the job done. And time is vital in a production facility.
GREAT test! GREAT info! It's no surprise that 3M came out at the top. Their abrasives have always been top notch. When I recently upgraded my sanding to a good random orbital sander, I bought an assortment of Diablo discs to get started, expecting to get "better" discs in a few days. I may just stick with Diablo after viewing this. To me, price vs. durability has long been the criteria for choosing sandpaper. Well done!
Thank you Tod, I believe if there was no TH-cam you would do these test to help out your local folks and friends. So count me as one of them along side fellow TH-cam subcribers.
I cannot thank you enough for your incredible work and valued added videos. I cancelled my subscription to Consumer Reports and won't buy anything you have not recommend. As a Nuclear Reactor Operator I greatly appreciate your attention to detail and well thought out engineering tests. And you are always happy about what you are doing. God Bless👍
I propose a comprehensive test of popular American beers in all categories, separately of course. I, as I'm sure others, would watch your extensive evaluation of each with great enthusiasm. Monday: Todd drinks bud light for 9 hours, Tuesday: Todd drinks Miller lite for 9 hours, Wednesday: Todd drinks Coors light for 9 hours, Thursday: Todd reevaluates test procedure, Friday: Todd tentatively cancels anticipated upcoming month long whiskey comparison. Saturday: Todd pulls through like an absolute champ and tests it all in one go and provides us with countless graphs right before becoming unconscious... I admire your work sir, carry on with what you do. Many depend on you, a real source of information.
@@ProjectFarm Could you include decibels as part of the test as well? I have an older PC pancake that's super loud and definitely considering a quieter one.
Love your videos, keep up the great work. As a finishing carpenter …. I have switched to autobody sandpaper as they outperform standard consumer brands. They don’t clog, sand better and last way longer .
After the initial testing I was like "only 5 minutes? Is Project Farm slacking?"... Oh was I WRONG!!! This went above and beyond my imagination for testing sandpaper. VERY impressive!!! 👍👍👍 NEVER again will I doubt thee.
Greetings good sir! Another fine video! Now here's a idea: we all use it. Tape measures! I have to use one constantly but am I using the right brand (Stanley). They all eventually break one way or another. A toughness test would be great! Thank you.
Concord carpenter channel did a really good one a couple years back, but there are some new contenders available now. I believe Stanley Fatmax was a top performer.
Just wanted to say thank you Mr. reviewer guy. I must have watched a few dozen of your vids the last few weeks and I've been adding a tone of items to my Amazon cart so when I'm ready to re-up I'm getting the best I can for the job and probably saved money by not getting the wrong (or inferior) products. These videos are such an invaluable resource I wish someone would have been doing this year's ago, I would have saved so much money (and maybe even headaches) by getting the most effective products. The manufactures claim so much BS on their products there's no way to know for sure until someone like you comes along and proves their claims right or wrong, so again thank you so much for doing what you're doing...you're really my new favorite TH-camr 👍🏻🤙🏻
Awesome video and very helpful. For me it's quite timely too, as I'm in the middle of a massive sanding job and sure enough, I'm using one of the brands tested here. This is excellent information!
Does anyone else think this guy should be more recognised by the brands (dewalt, makita, bosh ect..) for the in depth reviews and testing he does. I mean what better promotional advertising than Project Farm performing the claims these manufacturers make.Everyone from diy'ers to contractors (myself) and pros who watch your uploads can learn from your videos. We applaud you man. 🤝
I've wondered for years if my dad was throwing away money buying 3M sandpaper and products. I guess i'm going to have to eat my words and tell him what a great product it really is. But I guess he already knows lol.
A disc that lasts 20 percent longer and costs 250 percent more, is a conundrum for me. On one hand, it might save a Theoretical hour and a half per day. However, the reality is maybe 20 minutes . The paper savings is an questionable. I am a guy who walked into an automobile paint supply for a few sheets of sandpaper, post spraying primer, and saw a bill for $55. Back in the 90s I used a fast drying patch, lots of hugh quality oil spray of doors, and would spend 70 dollars for 1 or 2 rooms on sandpaper. So, I don't take the cost of sandpaper lightly. I went through hundreds of sheets on a few hundred feet of railing and backing 2 by 4 for strip and restaining, refinish. I routinely buy hundreds of 7 inch 24 grit grinder discs. I assure you that at 90 cents a resin backed disc beats a $5 3m disc every time. In this video, the diablo 36 cent disc (they are actually 20 cents) and the 3m stood out. If I didn't sand a lot, or it were not my money (the boss' money) I would go for the 3m. Now, if a guy could sand worth of diablo 10 hours of doors in 8 hours using 3m. If my labor is worth $15-$70 depending on the time of the year, this would be balanced against the extra cost of the 3m paper, which i would not be surprised if more than $140 given the kind of price gouging paint stores are guilty of..... It takes really big jobs and writing the data down, side by side, to form a good opinion.... From this video, the bet is on 3m or the diablo to go head to head in a real long job.
Now that I have decided to take my home repair and renovations into my own hands, I am certainly glad I found this channel. Keep up the good work brother... we appreciate you so much!
I do a whole lot of hand sanding and finishing on high carbon steel. I’ve always trusted rhino wet redline from indasa USA. Sucks to see you didn’t test it, I’ve found it better than any brand you’d find in a hardware store. Though in fairness not many stores carry it, and it’s mostly sold online. Great video none the less.
This video brought to you by 8 full hours of sanding wood. This channel is incredible, nobody else comes close to doing these comparisons as well, and much respect on not taking sponsorships by companies whose products you review, it's a rarer and rarer principle these days.
Love this and I’m so glad I discovered your channel! I’m really surprised you don’t have a test of the sanders themselves though! That’d be interesting to see evenness and how effective they are at capturing dust!
I work on cars at a body shop and I’ve tried 3M, Norton, Sherwin Williams, Mirka and others and I’ve never seen anything better than 3M cubitron. Fantastic video.
Thank you! I've been a devoted diablo buyer. Turns out I was right about the sandpaper. Turns out I should be buying Spyder circular saw blades. I love how unbiased and scientific your channel is.
I have the regular and sand net. I only use the sand net on raw wood, but it chews through it without much clogging because of its design. I use the regular version in general purpose uses, but also for hand sanding curves and such. The sand net obviously isn't as good at that.
@@ProjectFarm Well I never really gave so much thought to sandpaper,,,,But thanks for the in depth testing,,,,I and many others I'm sure tend to put way more thought and loyalty into the tool that the sandpaper uses but we should have been paying more attention to the paper, because by proof in your testing proves out a bad paper can make a really good tool not do so well and a realy good paper will make a less than greatest tool do better than it normally would do,,,that said I never gave it that much thought really,,,I just get what the local hardware or builders supply has the most and best selection of grits on the shelf, and that always seems to be the diablo or 3m and sometimes the norton brand, but mostly the diablo seems to always be the leader on whats on those shelves by far,,,so that's what I seem to use the most of,,,,sometimes I when not feeling extra lazy LOL just buy bulk packs of sandpaper of who knows what brand,,,,, because I rarely put out the effort to even look LOL,,,then just cut out my own pads/disks (at least for my quarter sheet sanders anyhow, but for my DA/random orbital sanders I just seem to end up with the normal old diablo ready cuts because they just seem to be the most available at least in my area,,,,the secret is get the best price by buying a large quatity bulk pack size.....anyhow thanks for the in depth scientific look into something that is one of those things not otherwise given that much thought,,,it's nice to know what to expect out of a given brand.
Would've loved to see the Mirka Abranet included in this, that's what we always had at auto body shops in Canada and my workshop is fully stocked with it. But I only buy it out of habit, not because it's necessarily the "best". Having said that, this was a REALLY inclusive video, I'm impressed
Here's the list of products reviewed. More details in the video description. Thank you!
Diablo Sandnet: amzn.to/3qP72rD
Diablo: amzn.to/3bM1zhj
DuraGold: amzn.to/3rLU3IN
Mirka: amzn.to/3leBiLr
Tiger Shark: amzn.to/3ctMqQH
Makitoya: amzn.to/3cnQzpm
Norton: amzn.to/2Q0vXvU
Bosch: amzn.to/2Nm35xe
Makita: amzn.to/3rLUNxz
DeWalt: amzn.to/2OlgUwr
DeWalt Orbital Sander: amzn.to/3tgsiZ5
Give this guy a medal. I buy products only recommended by him. The hero we never asked for but needed. Thanks for all your hard work. 🙏🙏🙏
Thank you very much!
Literally!! Lol i work at autozone so alot of these brands he tests are there so i know what's good n whats not hahaha
Yes, specially since it's not just an unboxing video like many reviews and even test videos.
@@Bdub423 never seen diablo or 3m cubitron sand paper at autozone but okay
@@AntonioClaudioMichael he's talking about all the auto videos he's done like the oils, grease, truck bed liners etc.
Project Farm, you probably don't realize this, but you are literally one of the BEST TH-cam channels of ALL TIME.
Thanks for the nice comment!
he does... :-)
Best TOOL channels, not entertainment or news etc...
@@inglouriousmofo Shut Up, You get what he means.
@@Laminity Yikes, other people might not. I like the channel RELAX
I was in my local family owned hardware store last week and guess who they were watching on the tv? Project Farm! You're very popular here in small town Alabama!
Wow! Thanks for sharing!
Yes and its a fairly safe guess what products they'll be stocking when Project Farm's test results are in. In this case Project Farm's testing is clearly having an effect on retailers' purchasing decisions. Otherwise they are being made purely on marketing hype and the "perceived" company reputation which time and time again Project Farm demonstrates are not reliable guides when trying to find the best products out there or alternatively price/performance.
Wish my local hardware store was that in tune with their market. I live in a yuppy area and even a brand new clean hardware store will have half the small hardware bins empty.
Bums me out they make online my only option if I don't wanna a 50pack of bolts from a fastener specialist store
things like this are why the local hardware store has held on despite HD and Lowes. Besides nothing better when you need to fix something, the local hardware store owner always knows what you need. Show em some super odd nut or bolt and sure enough they have a drawer of them.
@@ProjectFarm You're very welcome! Your honest and unsolicited reviews have driven many of mine and others purchasing decisions on products around my town! Thank you sir!
Independent consumer reviews like this are so unbelievably important, it cannot be understated how much these are appreciated. Not only does it provide clarity for the consumer, but the boost in reputation from preforming well on this channel no doubt challenges the manufacturer to strive to provide the highest quality product. Not only do you show us how to use our money best, it tells the companies that we want to spend out money wisely, and producing a HIGHER quality product becomes the standard.
Thanks!
Best consumer product tester in all of TH-cam. Who else sands wood for hours!!!! Just to let us know what brand is best
Thanks!
When you're working on a project sanding for hours can be par for the course. Especially if you're not using the right sandpaper.
This, folks, is infotainment at its finest!
Thanks!
i love how you literally started a few MONTHS ago, to make sure that you had good testing media. mad genius. i appreciate your dedication. thanks for being one of the most useful resources on youtube.
Thank you!
Amen
@@ProjectFarm hi
Project Farm is VERY IMPRESSIVE
This is pure devotion, you literally did the thing that everyone hates the most and spent 12 hours doing it just to make this video for us, what a beast. Keep up the great work 👍🏼🔥
Thanks, will do!
Absolutely. Cuts out so much time of researching. He’s making a killing doing these videos. And he should
@@Bone89 I agree 100%, he’s my go to when I’m thinking about buying something in a specific category and I want the best
Said it twice before, saying it again: best consumer advice on youtube.
Thanks so much!
I second that.
@@ProjectFarm The only person to really test the products that people use and spend money on repeatedly, great to see someone testing which is best for your wallet and top performer. You talked a bit fast in this one but that is fine as i slowed it down to 0.75 playback to get more of the info i missed.
On TH-cam? They the internet.
Better than Clark Howard!
One of the most useful channels on TH-cam, and he actually responds to comments, this guy is amazing!
I appreciate that!
@@ProjectFarm Todd, I've been following your page since you first started, 3 or 4 years ago, and I turned my pop & brother on to it as well.. My brother wont buy a new tool, until he watches or re-watches one of your reviews.
Seriously, I found this channel this year, I've binged all the old episodes and definitely have bought a few new tools. Great dude.
No one told me I would be constantly sanding while fixing and painting things as a home owner. This is vital information! Thanks for the info!
You are welcome!
Every time 3M is included in a test, i know the winner. I only watch the entire video because you're awesome.
Thanks so much!
USA products are best
3M certainly has a well-deserved reputation for high quality; overall results: 13:27
I'm really impressed that 3M Cubitron was the only brand which was hardly degraded at all by sanding on metal for 2 minutes: 13:16
True fact: I have a lot of 8" diskettes, with data on them, which I would love to recover. But the _ONLY_ brand which is still usable, 1/3 century later, is 3M. The other brands all self-destruct in the diskette drive, because the adhesive which sticks the oxide recording layer to the substrate has degraded, and the oxide comes off when the head rubs it. (Unfortunately, the data I want is on the other brand diskettes, mostly BASF and Wabash -- if anyone knows a way to read those diskettes, please contact me.)
@@arya3261 German products are the best
@@ProjectFarm I will ask a bit of a counter-question. So if you are looking at maximum removal, this test is perfect. The good performance of removing materials from some of the brands might also suggest that the grain size could be larger or rougher than on the lower performing brands, i.e. different production standards/quality. So if one brands 120-grit is actually a 125 grit, it of course should outperform another brand which have their 115-grit labelled as 120 grit.
It would be interesting to see the performance between papers from different batches, to see if the quality is consistent between different manufacturing runs.
Other times you might be looking for the best finish including (or the lack of) circular scratches, lesser risk of burning the materials, degrading between center and outer edges (leading back to finish quality) and etcetera.
This might be a bit extreme lengths, but I think that this test could be worth revisiting with different criteria to test.
All cheers for an awesome channel!
I'm not going to ignore the fact that you spent over 7 1/2 hours holding a sander just so I can make informed buying decisions for my home improvement consumables. Thanks to you for devoting so much effort into these test. Also, thanks to your shop vac filter that had to clean up that sanding dust.
You are welcome!
It was nice to see such a wide range of countries that manufactured the sandpaper(Including the US). I got extremely used to seeing almost everything made in China. LOL As always, another top notch product testing video. Thank you!
Yeah, I noticed that, too. I wonder what the reason is for that? Perhaps it's due the abrasives being sourced in a country.
@@respectbossmon as opposed to moon/mars rock sand paper
You are welcome! Thanks for sharing.
Sandpaper Olympics
@@respectbossmon cost of labour
Idk if he's already done this. But now that spring is coming, maybe a series on electric/battery powered lawnmowers/string trimmers compared to gas powered might be needed
Thanks for the video idea.
@@tonycstechhe tested electric chainsaws my guy could
definitely do this
@@tonycstech he's tested impacts chainsaws I'm pretty sure he tests it all he should be able to get the major brands like dewalt milwaukee makita ryobi and maybe throw in a harbor freight brand or lesser known brands for under 4 grand that's not too bad
@@PeterTrimboli yeah he definitely could afford it, especially considering someone crunched the number and they found PF makes approx. 88,000 dollars a year
Lawnmowers fear Project Farm ,especially gas powered ones
Awesome. I like how you speed through these but are thorough so that I don't spend an hour watching a comparison. Your reviews are the best I have seen.
Thanks so much!
This mans reach is craaaazy! I can just imagine how manufacturers be shaking in their boots every time he drops a video 🤣🤣
Thanks for watching!
Imagine being the head of one of these companies and one of your employees runs in "sir project farm just released another video 😨"
Him and LockPickingLawyer!
@@praxeological
and AvE
Ha Ha! You’re so right man. These manufacturers can only ride their name and reputation for so long, and then PF comes along and throws a literal wrench into the equation.
I've always enjoyed PF videos, but I just realized one more thing I think makes the channel great: you can tell he has the real life experience of using these products in daily life by the tests he chooses. He knows to test paint removal and clogging for sandpaper because he's done it in real life. He tests chainsaw sharpeners after dulling the chain in the dirt because he's done it in real life. An authentic guy like us trying to figure out the best product, not another talking head shill unboxing or "review" that's nothing more than regurgitating the marketing wank.
Thank you!
The farm in "Project Farm" aint for show that's for sure.
@@ProjectFarm any chance you'll do another bed liner test with raptor liner and some of the other products not covered by your previous test?
Project farm is the real deal thats for sure
It is the little things...
I know one thing I'm buying my buddy with this stimulus payment. He's been furloughed through this pandemic and has turned to woodworking to pass time, but buys cheap sandpaper. I saw him go through an entire pack of [redacted]-brand sandpaper sanding maybe 75% of a chair he had built.
I'd love to see his face when he can sand an entire picnic table with one sheet of Cubitron (or two sheets; I'm generous).
Top-notch content as always. The prep work, the tests themselves, the microscopic views, the editing, the personality, humor, and award-winning smile deserve millions more subscribers.
That would be a very nice gift! Thanks for the nice comments!
cubitron was actually initially developed for metal, so it makes sense that it doesn't immediately shit the bed like the others
My only criticism of the first test was immediately resolved, when you continued to test each sheet incrementally, up to 25 minutes (I thought you were going to stop testing at five minutes). You were very thorough, and did a great job of showing the side by side comparisons. You're the best in the business, and I recommend your videos to everyone who buys tools.
Thanks so much!
I can't tell you the amount of times I've used your reviews on deciding what to spend my money on. You are the best real use reviewer on YT! Thank you for all the hard work and time you put into your videos.
Thanks you!
Incredible amount of work went into this! Just the testing alone without the planning, getting the materials together, compiling the results or editing took hours! Such commitment.
Thank you very much!
Your the only product reviewer that I fully trust. Great job me and the guys at work always talk about your videos when you post them
I appreciate that!
I’ve been using Diablo for years and love it. Glad to see I haven’t been wasting my money. Thanks for these videos.
You are welcome!
Same here, have had pretty good luck with Diablo products too.
When I see it (Diablo) on sale I buy it. Has always worked great
I've seen a few videos of somewhat bitter people trying to break down your net worth and subtract from your success, but I am so happy to know that you and your family probably make a good income from your great work, and I'm happy to sit through a full Panera Ad to earn you the extra $0.002 cents!
I appreciate that!
Who would make such a video?
Oh I can’t remember the TH-camr, but they run a channel attempting to reveal how much popular TH-camrs make.
And if I remember correctly he was trying to show that ProjectFarm was in it for the money...
I say who cares, the man ought to be rich off such good work!
@@clintonmahoney3396 He's just in it for the money but also puts a month of prep work into a video. Checks out.
Haha, I know.
Project Farm has been an aid to my personal work ethic too!
You do amazing work, I make the right decisions with tools thanks to you 👍
Thanks 👍
Hey brother @FixItNick
The amount of work you put into these tests is incredible. Nearly every item in my tool shed has been purchased with your recommendations. Keep up the good work!
Thanks, will do! Thanks for sharing.
As somebody who hates sanding when doing DIY projects, mad respect for you to have done so much sanding test for this video.
Thanks!
As someone who also hates sanding, much thanks to Todd for the best advice on sandpaper brands that help me avoid doing it any more than absolutely necessary.
3M in the next few weeks: “why tf are we selling so much sand paper all the sudden?!” Hahahaha.
And Dewalt saying why are our sales in the dumper???
More like diablo for me!!!
Pros know about 3M. They make the only wet or dry I'll buy.
3m invented modern sandpaper back in the early 1900s. They started as a mining company but it was the invention and production of sandpaper that made them take off. Their name is on everything these days and they are one of the largest companies in the world because of sandpaper.
"Minnesota Mining and Manufacturing", 3M. The "sand" on sand paper is a mining by-product.
@@1pcfred 3M wet diamond grit was what I use to use to get my snowboard, and skis ready for ski season, it was the only paper I found that would remove last seasons old wax, without gumming the paper up too bad. start at Blue 1200, and work my way up to pale green 8000, for the smoothest surface I could get, and then 3 coats of Mr Zogs SexWax
Yesssssssss!!!! I think this is the most excited I’ve been for seeing one of your videos :) thank you!!
Always feels good when you buy the right stuff after seeing your videos haha. Love Diablo. I’m gonna have to try out 3M for sure.
@@BYOTools the 3M is awesome. Amazon has a package of 15 for $5. Three each of grits 80, 120, 150, 180, and 220. You won’t be disappointed. Just make sure it’s hook and loop or sticky. A buddy of mine ordered the wrong kind for his. Also love your videos as well. Keep up the good work.
Brother, I use DA discs every day!! This is gold
@@bkelevate wow bud! Love hearing that and I must say you have great taste in youtube channel haha! Thanks so much for the support and can’t wait to try 3m out.
Great test. Based on your results, I would say if you're an occasional user, go with the 3M. Spending the extra money for occasional use will not hurt you, and your sandpaper will last the longest. If you're a contractor or go through tons and tons of sandpaper on a regular basis, go with the regular Diablo brand. 90% of the performance at half the cost. Big cost savings over time.
Sand net lasts significantly longer than the regular Diablo and it can be cleaned & reused. HD regularly runs hefty sales on 50 packs w/5 different grits. Sand net is a much better value than the Diablo.
Depends, if your paying for the sandpaper and also getting paid by the hour to sand diablo all the way.
If your paying for the sandpaper and paying your guys by the hour to sand the 3M removed 32% more material in 25min.
If the job is done in 40min vs 60min the extra $1 on sand paper is of little consequence.
Or buy 3m on sale. The longevity will make up for the fractional cost difference
I love the way you visualized the data in the charts on this episode. The average placement was a smart way to accumulate and display the results over multiple tests. Thanks!
You are welcome!
Your tests are always well thought out, and you videos allow people to see exactly what your results you get. You have to be the most trustworthy unbiased guy on TH-cam.
Thanks so much!
The lockpicking lawyer is up there too
Sandpaper Sunday! Yeah boi! Can you test durability of gloves? Like Latex and Nitrile ?
Great video idea! I'll do it!!
I use a lot of nitrile gloves, would love to see that test to
Add one to this suggestion
and don't forget to use xylol in the test ;)
@@ProjectFarm The McKesson Nitrile 911 exam gloves are the ones we used when I was an EMT, they were very durable, pretty thick, I've used them framing houses and had some last all day
I really liked that you showed us your weighing spreadsheet! Do that more! Thank you as always for the great content Mr. Farm!
You are welcome!
I've always thought Diablo products were the best bang for the buck but I didn't realize that some of their products are actually the best product not just the best value. Their saw blades are the only ones I run anymore.
Also I really appreciate that you've basically become "Consumer Reports" for us blue collar folks who work with our hands.
Thanks so much!
Likely Diablo is made by EKABLU, swiss paper. Diablo is just a marketer with bold advertising.
this is what consumer reports was supposed to be until they became a corporate shill. i hope this guy doesn't sell out i bought many products based on his videos. The only one i would really disagree with so far is the double sided tape, the 3m vhb tape is far superior to anything else that exists. i bought all three top products and 2 failed where the 3m stuff worked as expected (taping various things to bottom of my desk)
This is one I've been hoping for. I buy name brands like 3M and Norton when it comes to sandpaper. I guess I have to try out some Diablo stuff next time. EXCELLENT test procedures and interesting results. Todd is the MAN! Thank you so much!
You are welcome!
I saw your channel growing, I'm very proud that I subscribed early. Keep doing a great job!
Thank you so much!
easily one of my favorite channels. no BS intro or talking in the beginning. just straight testing and facts. you can tell the videos are well rehearsed...no stumbling over sentences 'umm...umm...kinda this kinda that'. very well done!
Thanks so much!
You are one of the few channels I don't skip ads on. I've gotten so much bang for my buck thanks to you! Never change PROJECT FARM 🚜 👌 😉 👍 ♥
Thanks so much!
As a painter/handyman I take pride on the work/service I provide, having people like this guy taking out the guessing part on buying tools and materials is priceless, it’s much more fun watching videos like this or just taking on an other project, keep up the good work.
Thanks, will do!
I had a feeling that 3M and Diablo would top the charts. Which is great!
I'm surprised that Dewalt / Makita / Bosch were all so marginal, figured they would've ranked a little better.
Dewalt and makita have outsourced to the cheapest manufacturer and their performance shows it, Bosch should stick to drills and such.
they're a tool company, not a sandpaper company
Thanks for the feedback.
@@JasonPeltier lol that strike a lil' salty nerve, did it? As previously mentioned, they should stick to tools then. Instead, they choose to bend brand loyal dummies (I've got a hunch you just might be one!) over by pumping out cheap garbage with a premium price tag. Shady, unethical, bad, but not surprising business practices. Thank you @PF for bringing these shortcomings to light for consumers to see! Your thorough, unbiased, unsponsored reviews and product tests are an invaluable source of info!
I'm pretty sure neither one of them make their sandpaper
Went to the Auto Parts store and two guys said " Yeah, Project Farm dude likes that one"
Thanks for sharing!
He's getting a reputation!
My favorite part of Sunday afternoon!
Thanks!
Mine too
Mine too
As a woodworker, you have answered a question I’ve head near and dear to my heart for years. Thank you!
You are so welcome!
I will happily flip out when I see a product in a store with the Project Farm Approved star/gear cog on it.
You deserve it Todd & family, awesome content as always!
Thanks!
Really they have that? I will now keep an eye out for it..have never seen the logo but i just recently found this channel
@@opie7afe Not yet, but with the quality of the testing and Project Farms loyal fans I hope its soon!
Thank you so very much for this sandpaper test. I really needed this. I will be doing a lot of sanding this spring and summer. Take care and God bless. Keep up the great videos.
You are very welcome!
II switched to the 3M a while back and have been really happy with it. Glad this confirms what I was seeing. Great video!!
Thanks! Glad to hear!
After sanding tables for hours and hours at my last job, I can say with certainty that the quality of one brand can drastically change between grits. Some brands that are great at 120 are absolutely rubbish at anything over 800 and vice-versa. I would love to see a breakdown at each major grit between all these brands.
are you trying to kill this man
That video would be over an hour long, going through all the different grits. This gives a good general reference point.
You should just test it yourself
A test of auto refinishing abrasives would be helpful and interesting. Especially the rolls of abrasive for planing and shaping boards.
@@lukesantarc561 lol!
thank you so much for this video todd! i was at home depot early last week looking for sandpaper, the mid 60s employee recommended diablo based on his experience and asked me to try the sand net and bring back a review as he hasn’t had any feedback yet. i had all good things to say about the product to him and will forsure forward this video to him. i appreciate all your work and always look forward to sunday’s because of you
Fantastic!
Thank you so much for doing all the testing nobody else will, you have saved people thousands of dollars and thousands of hours too
You are welcome!
Simply the best comparison videos you can find! Thanks for all the hard work!
You are welcome!
I was actually on my way to get some supplies for a project today. Coincidentally I was also getting sandpaper. Thanks Project Farm.
Perfect timing!!
You skipping to the end or watching it on the way? 😁
I literally have no DIY skills... yet I’m addicted to these videos. I own like 3 tools and a shovel.
Thanks for watching!
Dude you are a life saver for all of us not sure what product to purchase. I always watch your videos now so I can make an informed decision and quite often I find myself telling others to look you up on TH-cam. Keep it up man.
My dad was engineering manager for one of the norton plants in texas and designed the assembly line machines. It and 3M were top brands. Then they were bought by a french company and switched to some other company's machines, got rid of the engineers and the quality went down.
Thanks for letting us know what happened. I hate it when some top notch company is bought out and the quality is destroyed.
Thanks for sharing.
@@debluetailfly Yes, it hurts everyone, us consumers and the company just plummets.
Highest information value per second on TH-cam.
My admiration sir.
Thanks so much!
I seriously watch his videos at 0.75 speed to catch everything he says, it literally sounds like a normal video then lol.
Awesome Job! The only thing I can think of to add would be a ranking of total grams removed per cost.
Using the grams removed after 25 Minutes for price per gram removed
Makitoyo $0.005
Diablo $0.009
Tigershark $0.010
Dura Gold $0.012
Norton $0.013
Mirka $0.014
3m $0.016
Bosch $0.017
Dewalt $0.020
Makita $0.026
sandnet $0.029
Thanks
wow!
Also factor in time to the equation to improve the stack rank!
Yeah, If I'm interpreting you correctly.
Even though the 3M was the better performer, you could change the Makitoyo to a new sheet 2 more times to get new sanding speed and still be cheaper than the 3M.
The Diablo however, is the real competition, it sanded, stayed clean, and stayed sharp. It definitely made the Makitoyo less useful.
In the end what sandpaper costs is not the major factor in a job. Labor is.
What is even more impressive is how great your tests are. Well done.
Thank you very much!
WOW, you never cease to amaze us with your scientific results. And expose a lot of marketing hype from some major companies. Thanks again for your efforts and take care!
You are welcome!
Now imagine the turmoil at the DeWalt and Makita HQ after this episode and a marketing brain storm how to justify yet again their sky-high prices for such a poor performsmce... lol - marketing managers there are going to have some sleepless nights
Awesome test! As I was thinking of possible theories as I watched, you went on to test them too! Very comprehensive and excellent methodology. 👌
Thank you very much!
Amazing selection of branded sand papers. I really like that recently you included brands we can also get in the EU/UK.
Older videos seemed to be based more around US available tools, and perhaps in the last 6 months/last year i found that your selection included these other brands too.
It is very useful to see these as they are directly applicable to our countries too.
Top job as always!
Thanks so much! Thanks for sharing.
I'm in process of a restoration of a old car. Hours and hours of sanding is ahead of me.
You no doubt saved me many. What some disks I bought in error...Thank you once again.
You are welcome!
I've been using the DuraGold brand for awhile now...but looks like I aught to switch! Thank you so much; this has been very helpful!
You are so welcome!
Yeah, I've worked with DuraGold and 3m sandpaper at my old job doing paint correction on cars. 3m was by far the best. We ended up chunking all of the DuraGold sandpaper in the trash lol. It just doesn't perform as well. And is more time consuming to get the job done. And time is vital in a production facility.
GREAT test! GREAT info! It's no surprise that 3M came out at the top. Their abrasives have always been top notch. When I recently upgraded my sanding to a good random orbital sander, I bought an assortment of Diablo discs to get started, expecting to get "better" discs in a few days. I may just stick with Diablo after viewing this. To me, price vs. durability has long been the criteria for choosing sandpaper. Well done!
Thanks so much! Thanks for sharing.
Thank you Tod, I believe if there was no TH-cam you would do these test to help out your local folks and friends. So count me as one of them along side fellow TH-cam subcribers.
Thank you very much!
I cannot thank you enough for your incredible work and valued added videos. I cancelled my subscription to Consumer Reports and won't buy anything you have not recommend. As a Nuclear Reactor Operator I greatly appreciate your attention to detail and well thought out engineering tests. And you are always happy about what you are doing. God Bless👍
This is so valuable, I love what you do, makes me wish for brands to adhere to even half of the scientific method you base your testing on
Thank you!
Thank you so much for the time ,effort and preciseness that you put into every video.
You are welcome!
It looks like I’ve been using the wrong sandpaper as well! Awesome test!!
Thank you!
I propose a comprehensive test of popular American beers in all categories, separately of course. I, as I'm sure others, would watch your extensive evaluation of each with great enthusiasm. Monday: Todd drinks bud light for 9 hours, Tuesday: Todd drinks Miller lite for 9 hours, Wednesday: Todd drinks Coors light for 9 hours, Thursday: Todd reevaluates test procedure, Friday: Todd tentatively cancels anticipated upcoming month long whiskey comparison. Saturday: Todd pulls through like an absolute champ and tests it all in one go and provides us with countless graphs right before becoming unconscious... I admire your work sir, carry on with what you do. Many depend on you, a real source of information.
If I did the math correctly, you sanded for over 7 hours for this video. That's dedication my dude, keep up the remarkable work
Thanks, will do!
Thank you. This test cycle should help a lot of people to be more selective about sandpaper purchases
You are welcome!
I need a video on “pancake” air compressors. I need one but don’t know which one is the best. Can you find out? 🤔👍🏻
Thank you for the video idea!
Please include “the tank” by metabo hpt. They claim it’s better than other pancake compressors.
The Fortress brand from HF would be a worthwhile inclusion in this test.
@@ProjectFarm Could you include decibels as part of the test as well? I have an older PC pancake that's super loud and definitely considering a quieter one.
I have a Campbell Hausfeld my wife got me for Father’s Day. It has done pretty good so far for running a nail gun.
Love your videos, keep up the great work.
As a finishing carpenter …. I have switched to autobody sandpaper as they outperform standard consumer brands.
They don’t clog, sand better and last way longer .
After the initial testing I was like "only 5 minutes? Is Project Farm slacking?"...
Oh was I WRONG!!! This went above and beyond my imagination for testing sandpaper.
VERY impressive!!! 👍👍👍
NEVER again will I doubt thee.
Thanks so much!
Greetings good sir! Another fine video! Now here's a idea: we all use it. Tape measures! I have to use one constantly but am I using the right brand (Stanley). They all eventually break one way or another. A toughness test would be great! Thank you.
I'll do it! Great video idea!
Concord carpenter channel did a really good one a couple years back, but there are some new contenders available now. I believe Stanley Fatmax was a top performer.
@@Soandsoguy fatmax IS my favorite
Plot twist - easiest tape measure to find. I've purchased 5 gallons of the things and lucky to find one.
I like FatMax myself. For other categories as well.
I knew that the cubitron would do well lol. I've been a supporter of it for years
Love their cut-off Wheels
Thanks for sharing.
Just wanted to say thank you Mr. reviewer guy.
I must have watched a few dozen of your vids the last few weeks and I've been adding a tone of items to my Amazon cart so when I'm ready to re-up I'm getting the best I can for the job and probably saved money by not getting the wrong (or inferior) products.
These videos are such an invaluable resource I wish someone would have been doing this year's ago, I would have saved so much money (and maybe even headaches) by getting the most effective products.
The manufactures claim so much BS on their products there's no way to know for sure until someone like you comes along and proves their claims right or wrong, so again thank you so much for doing what you're doing...you're really my new favorite TH-camr 👍🏻🤙🏻
You are welcome!
Awesome video and very helpful. For me it's quite timely too, as I'm in the middle of a massive sanding job and sure enough, I'm using one of the brands tested here. This is excellent information!
Thanks!
Does anyone else think this guy should be more recognised by the brands (dewalt, makita, bosh ect..) for the in depth reviews and testing he does. I mean what better promotional advertising than Project Farm performing the claims these manufacturers make.Everyone from diy'ers to contractors (myself) and pros who watch your uploads can learn from your videos. We applaud you man. 🤝
Thanks for the nice comment!
PF for testing and AvE for tool teardowns. Armed with info from those two channels you are prepared
No way man. These videos are great precisely _because_ manufacturers have no say.
I've wondered for years if my dad was throwing away money buying 3M sandpaper and products. I guess i'm going to have to eat my words and tell him what a great product it really is. But I guess he already knows lol.
Why did you think that 3M is no good? I thought that they are good on average.
Thanks for sharing.
@@eugenetswong he didn't say they are not good. he was wondering if they are worth the price =)
@@j3b3mt1username Fair enough, but it's hard to imagine them being good, if money is being thrown away.
A disc that lasts 20 percent longer and costs 250 percent more, is a conundrum for me. On one hand, it might save a Theoretical hour and a half per day. However, the reality is maybe 20 minutes . The paper savings is an questionable. I am a guy who walked into an automobile paint supply for a few sheets of sandpaper, post spraying primer, and saw a bill for $55. Back in the 90s I used a fast drying patch, lots of hugh quality oil spray of doors, and would spend 70 dollars for 1 or 2 rooms on sandpaper. So, I don't take the cost of sandpaper lightly. I went through hundreds of sheets on a few hundred feet of railing and backing 2 by 4 for strip and restaining, refinish.
I routinely buy hundreds of 7 inch 24 grit grinder discs. I assure you that at 90 cents a resin backed disc beats a $5 3m disc every time.
In this video, the diablo 36 cent disc (they are actually 20 cents) and the 3m stood out. If I didn't sand a lot, or it were not my money (the boss' money) I would go for the 3m. Now, if a guy could sand worth of diablo 10 hours of doors in 8 hours using 3m. If my labor is worth $15-$70 depending on the time of the year, this would be balanced against the extra cost of the 3m paper, which i would not be surprised if more than $140 given the kind of price gouging paint stores are guilty of..... It takes really big jobs and writing the data down, side by side, to form a good opinion.... From this video, the bet is on 3m or the diablo to go head to head in a real long job.
Now that I have decided to take my home repair and renovations into my own hands, I am certainly glad I found this channel. Keep up the good work brother... we appreciate you so much!
Thanks, will do!
This was a great idea for a video! Well tested too, thank you PF!
Thanks!
I do a whole lot of hand sanding and finishing on high carbon steel. I’ve always trusted rhino wet redline from indasa USA. Sucks to see you didn’t test it, I’ve found it better than any brand you’d find in a hardware store. Though in fairness not many stores carry it, and it’s mostly sold online. Great video none the less.
You always have great methods for testing. Would you consider making a video on how you develop them?
Great suggestion! Thank you.
This video brought to you by 8 full hours of sanding wood. This channel is incredible, nobody else comes close to doing these comparisons as well, and much respect on not taking sponsorships by companies whose products you review, it's a rarer and rarer principle these days.
Thanks!
Love your sandpaper testing methods.
I can not imagine your testing methods for toilet paper. :-)
Thank you! Me neither. lol
Easy way would be tension test for toughness, molasses wipe test for cleaning and wet blender test for flushability
@@tonycstech What is newspaper? I guess people have to wipe with their phone nowadays.
A German joke used to be: "Why is there never any toilet paper in public bathrooms? Because woodworkers steal it to use as sandpaper!"
He may have saved Billy Ray's hands to connect up to a motor. Add some TP & Nutella, and you're good to go! LOL
3m being a top performer doesn't surprise me they mostly make pretty good stuff
Thanks for the feedback.
Love this and I’m so glad I discovered your channel! I’m really surprised you don’t have a test of the sanders themselves though! That’d be interesting to see evenness and how effective they are at capturing dust!
Thanks for the feedback.
I'd love to see belt and random orbit sanders tested too!
I work on cars at a body shop and I’ve tried 3M, Norton, Sherwin Williams, Mirka and others and I’ve never seen anything better than 3M cubitron.
Fantastic video.
Thanks! Thanks for the feedback.
You forgot to test the paper found in public toilets, that will strip anything ha ha
Haha Yup true. 20 grit toilet paper
I never would have imagined how many different countries produced sandpaper.
Aniken would hate Earth. We have a lot of sand.
The amount of time and effort that you put into these is extraordinary! Thank you!!
You are welcome!
Thank you! I've been a devoted diablo buyer. Turns out I was right about the sandpaper. Turns out I should be buying Spyder circular saw blades. I love how unbiased and scientific your channel is.
Thanks and you are welcome!
Seems like the diablo sanpaper is just smashing it. Cheap and long lasting. I know what brand I'll be getting.
Great point!
I have the regular and sand net. I only use the sand net on raw wood, but it chews through it without much clogging because of its design. I use the regular version in general purpose uses, but also for hand sanding curves and such. The sand net obviously isn't as good at that.
Diablo is good at drill bits and most cutting and sanding things.
@@ProjectFarm Well I never really gave so much thought to sandpaper,,,,But thanks for the in depth testing,,,,I and many others I'm sure tend to put way more thought and loyalty into the tool that the sandpaper uses but we should have been paying more attention to the paper, because by proof in your testing proves out a bad paper can make a really good tool not do so well and a realy good paper will make a less than greatest tool do better than it normally would do,,,that said I never gave it that much thought really,,,I just get what the local hardware or builders supply has the most and best selection of grits on the shelf, and that always seems to be the diablo or 3m and sometimes the norton brand, but mostly the diablo seems to always be the leader on whats on those shelves by far,,,so that's what I seem to use the most of,,,,sometimes I when not feeling extra lazy LOL just buy bulk packs of sandpaper of who knows what brand,,,,, because I rarely put out the effort to even look LOL,,,then just cut out my own pads/disks (at least for my quarter sheet sanders anyhow, but for my DA/random orbital sanders I just seem to end up with the normal old diablo ready cuts because they just seem to be the most available at least in my area,,,,the secret is get the best price by buying a large quatity bulk pack size.....anyhow thanks for the in depth scientific look into something that is one of those things not otherwise given that much thought,,,it's nice to know what to expect out of a given brand.
I'm glad my sand paper drawer is fully stocked with that red gold baby.
My whole grain bread is the best sand paper.
lol. Nice!
@@ProjectFarm thanks Todd!
Removes hemorrhoids in one movement!!
Would've loved to see the Mirka Abranet included in this, that's what we always had at auto body shops in Canada and my workshop is fully stocked with it. But I only buy it out of habit, not because it's necessarily the "best". Having said that, this was a REALLY inclusive video, I'm impressed
Thanks! Thanks for the suggestion.