Very informative & appreciated content! I’m going to be buying my 1st K6-R in mid-February. Additionally, I’ll be buying my wife a K2 230 this weekend (late January). I have a question you may be able to help me out with: Will the add-ons you have on your K6-R fit on the K2 230? (rotor covers, upgraded water pump, fork components, etc…). Thanks for any help in advance & keep the videos coming!
I just found out about these yesterday's and after hearing so much positivity I'm looking at the same combo for myself and my wife. How's your experience been so far for the both of you?
We got a tt125 and ts 90 for the kids. I'm very impressed with them for the money. My best answer for the smaller ones .. they are clones of old Honda technology which I'm cool with. The little 90 surprises the shit out of me. It's fast for little pit bike. I'd have to recommend them as well. We got both out the door for 4400. They Run good and sounds great. 👌
This bike seems to be very similar to the Trailmaster at Txpowersports etc, Do you know what the rear suspension is cribbed from? Specifically what lowering linkage can be used in the rear to lower the seat from a ridiculous 37 inches to a manageable 35? I'm an average height 5 9 guy, not the 6 9 that KTM (and chinese copycats) seem to be marketing to...
Not even in the ballpark...this Kayo has s better frame, better suspension, better engine (dual over head cams flow more air/fuel) better wheels..just a better bike in general...the TM38 is not bad at all...not dissing it..it just not to this level...actually no other China bike is this good ..PERIOD 😁👍
Just wonder how these Chinese bikes hold up after 300 hours of nasty single track on the gnarliest trails out there because that's what we ride. I'm talking about taking 8 hours to ride no further than 40 miles.
Carl atamanczyk, if you are doing Enduro riding, time trials, hair-scrambles , and such, the KT-250 is the way to go, and there are several reasons I say this. First it runs a Yamaha DT 230 two-stroke liquid cooled engine. This engine is a proven dual sport engine that has been around since the late 1980s in one iteration or another. There are upgrade carbs for this platform made by Lectron and Smart Carb that make the question of jetting a problem of the past. Secondly, It runs on the same chassis as the K6 with a bit softer suspension for soaking up the chop and rocky terrain without beating you to death. Third, It uses less fuel compared to the four stroke engine and gives a much better mid range power band in the process. Fourth, Parts for the engine are easier to source as they are compatible with the Yamaha branded parts for a DT 230. This equates to a lighter overall package making it far more nimble in tight technical sections. The final is that the cost of maintenance will be far less over the lifetime of the machine. My buddy has a GPX TSE-250R that runs the same engine in a slightly different frame. He has a smart carb on his and while it is a $600.00 upgrade it was well worth the money as it woke that engine up significantly and increased his MPG as well. He has close to 2500 miles on the bike that consists of adventure riding, trails, and a couple of hair scramble races. He has maintenance OCD, so the breather element gets cleaned after every outing and the transmission fluids and coolant get changed every 10 to 20 hours depending on how hard the riding was. If he has had an outing where he has had the bike opened up more for longer durations he'll change it after 10 hours; if it was low rpm technical woods riding where the only time he really got in the revs was an occasional hill ascent or blipping the throttle to get over logs and rocks he changes it at around 15 to 20 hours. He tears all his machines down every 50 hours to clean and repack any bearings, replace any that are worn, and cleans and loctites all the mounting bolts upon reassembly. He services his chain, spokes, cables, and calipers after every ride making sure nothing is gunked up and lubes everything. He cleans his fork seals after each ride and changes his fork oil at minimum once possibly twice a season. So far he has had no issues with the machine and it runs just as strong as when it was new. How you break a machine in and regularly maintain it makes all the difference in how long it will last. The quality of the fluids you use and the two-stroke mix makes a big difference as well. If you are using noname products from Walmart you can expect premature failure, but if you use Amsoil, Klotz, or HP2 synthetic two stroke oil, icy water racing coolant, and Lucas oil products for your transmission and clutch you will see good service life. I think the biggest problem people have is they immediately assume the phrase "made in China" equates to poor manufacturing. Think about this for a second, China manufactures electronics for Apple, Samsung, JVC, Sony, and countless others. They make instruments for Gibson, Fender, PRS, Gretsch, etc. They manufacture engines, and complete bikes, 4 wheelers, go-karts, buggies and so on for KTM, Yamaha, Honda, Suzuki, Kawasaki, Daewoo, Daihatsu, Subaru, Briggs & Stratton, Koehler, and many more. Over 90% of the batteries that go into cell, laptop, cordless tools, motorcycles, and automobiles are manufactured in China under LG, Sony, Samsung, A123, and a slew of other names. There are knockoffs of all of these available as well as the authentic offerings all of which come from China if you pay 2 bucks for an LG battery from one provider and 12 from another chances are you got a B or C grade battery for 2 bucks and an A grade for 12. Every company has a tier system and every company has ties to Chinese manufacturing to include Harley-Davidson. You buy a $1200 dirtbike from Amazon it is going to be ramshackle junk; however, you buy a 4k from Kayo or GPX you are getting better quality controlled manufactured machines made in the same places that Honda and the others get their stuff made but under Chinese branding. Just saying while the machines are not identical in every way they are comparable in the ones that are important to riders who are not professional racers.
@@killacoiler1707 Wow that was a book....but all valid points and I tell anyone who will listen . I chose the K6-R because I ride MX mostly and it is the only China Bike that is designed for it and can take it. I have nothing but praise for it....now just have to long term test her.
@@Dirt_Bike_Dave i think people assume too much and are afraid to step out of convention. China makes high end and low grade products the same as any other country the biggest problem with all that is China is known for pirating existing tech. I have been trying to find a Koshine distributor here in the US. They make small displacement 2t MX bikes from 50cc up to 150cc that for all intents are clones of KTM 2T SX machines. I want to get my hands on a couple of their 85, 105, and 150cc bikes to run them against their Japanese and European counterparts. Finding them in the states is the issue. If we can have fun on comparable machines at a fraction of the cost why not? I share your sentiments of buying another person's hidden gremlins and it not being any more cost effective.
@@Dirt_Bike_Dave I have been talking with Joe Henner and he is developing some upgrades for that bike that should put it on par with most of the pre-fuel-injected Japanese models. He told me that he read that Rekluse has an auto clutch system for it. That says something right there. Hopefully, 2022 will find a couple of these K6-R bikes in my son's and my stable.
So nope..I have seen them and really only the TM38 is of any quality and it is a step below the Kayo in engine and suspension performance..also frame is not same metal...again having said that, for the money they are a GREAT value.
Very informative & appreciated content! I’m going to be buying my 1st K6-R in mid-February. Additionally, I’ll be buying my wife a K2 230 this weekend (late January). I have a question you may be able to help me out with: Will the add-ons you have on your K6-R fit on the K2 230? (rotor covers, upgraded water pump, fork components, etc…). Thanks for any help in advance & keep the videos coming!
Sorry no, they are 2 totally different bikes.
I just found out about these yesterday's and after hearing so much positivity I'm looking at the same combo for myself and my wife. How's your experience been so far for the both of you?
We got a tt125 and ts 90 for the kids. I'm very impressed with them for the money. My best answer for the smaller ones .. they are clones of old Honda technology which I'm cool with. The little 90 surprises the shit out of me. It's fast for little pit bike. I'd have to recommend them as well. We got both out the door for 4400. They Run good and sounds great. 👌
I have a kt 250, any advice on plastic replacement parts for mine? I know you said ktm parts fit but any specific ktm? I wanna make mine black thanks!
No..not sure about that model...
What seat cover are you using? And what model and year did you cross reference
This bike seems to be very similar to the Trailmaster at Txpowersports etc,
Do you know what the rear suspension is cribbed from? Specifically what lowering linkage can be used in the rear to lower the seat from a ridiculous 37 inches to a manageable 35?
I'm an average height 5 9 guy, not the 6 9 that KTM (and chinese copycats) seem to be marketing to...
Not even in the ballpark...this Kayo has s better frame, better suspension, better engine (dual over head cams flow more air/fuel) better wheels..just a better bike in general...the TM38 is not bad at all...not dissing it..it just not to this level...actually no other China bike is this good ..PERIOD 😁👍
You conviced me
🤣🤣🤦♂️
You ain't lying ! Most new high dollar bikes have china parts on them. Most new automobiles have China parts in them.
nice flannel
Classic, Never goes out of style.
Just wonder how these Chinese bikes hold up after 300 hours of nasty single track on the gnarliest trails out there because that's what we ride. I'm talking about taking 8 hours to ride no further than 40 miles.
Yeah, from what I know they hold up well...but no one has that many hrs (300) yet that I know.
Carl atamanczyk, if you are doing Enduro riding, time trials, hair-scrambles , and such, the KT-250 is the way to go, and there are several reasons I say this. First it runs a Yamaha DT 230 two-stroke liquid cooled engine. This engine is a proven dual sport engine that has been around since the late 1980s in one iteration or another. There are upgrade carbs for this platform made by Lectron and Smart Carb that make the question of jetting a problem of the past.
Secondly, It runs on the same chassis as the K6 with a bit softer suspension for soaking up the chop and rocky terrain without beating you to death. Third, It uses less fuel compared to the four stroke engine and gives a much better mid range power band in the process. Fourth, Parts for the engine are easier to source as they are compatible with the Yamaha branded parts for a DT 230. This equates to a lighter overall package making it far more nimble in tight technical sections. The final is that the cost of maintenance will be far less over the lifetime of the machine.
My buddy has a GPX TSE-250R that runs the same engine in a slightly different frame. He has a smart carb on his and while it is a $600.00 upgrade it was well worth the money as it woke that engine up significantly and increased his MPG as well. He has close to 2500 miles on the bike that consists of adventure riding, trails, and a couple of hair scramble races. He has maintenance OCD, so the breather element gets cleaned after every outing and the transmission fluids and coolant get changed every 10 to 20 hours depending on how hard the riding was.
If he has had an outing where he has had the bike opened up more for longer durations he'll change it after 10 hours; if it was low rpm technical woods riding where the only time he really got in the revs was an occasional hill ascent or blipping the throttle to get over logs and rocks he changes it at around 15 to 20 hours.
He tears all his machines down every 50 hours to clean and repack any bearings, replace any that are worn, and cleans and loctites all the mounting bolts upon reassembly. He services his chain, spokes, cables, and calipers after every ride making sure nothing is gunked up and lubes everything. He cleans his fork seals after each ride and changes his fork oil at minimum once possibly twice a season. So far he has had no issues with the machine and it runs just as strong as when it was new.
How you break a machine in and regularly maintain it makes all the difference in how long it will last. The quality of the fluids you use and the two-stroke mix makes a big difference as well. If you are using noname products from Walmart you can expect premature failure, but if you use Amsoil, Klotz, or HP2 synthetic two stroke oil, icy water racing coolant, and Lucas oil products for your transmission and clutch you will see good service life.
I think the biggest problem people have is they immediately assume the phrase "made in China" equates to poor manufacturing. Think about this for a second, China manufactures electronics for Apple, Samsung, JVC, Sony, and countless others. They make instruments for Gibson, Fender, PRS, Gretsch, etc. They manufacture engines, and complete bikes, 4 wheelers, go-karts, buggies and so on for KTM, Yamaha, Honda, Suzuki, Kawasaki, Daewoo, Daihatsu, Subaru, Briggs & Stratton, Koehler, and many more. Over 90% of the batteries that go into cell, laptop, cordless tools, motorcycles, and automobiles are manufactured in China under LG, Sony, Samsung, A123, and a slew of other names. There are knockoffs of all of these available as well as the authentic offerings all of which come from China if you pay 2 bucks for an LG battery from one provider and 12 from another chances are you got a B or C grade battery for 2 bucks and an A grade for 12. Every company has a tier system and every company has ties to Chinese manufacturing to include Harley-Davidson. You buy a $1200 dirtbike from Amazon it is going to be ramshackle junk; however, you buy a 4k from Kayo or GPX you are getting better quality controlled manufactured machines made in the same places that Honda and the others get their stuff made but under Chinese branding. Just saying while the machines are not identical in every way they are comparable in the ones that are important to riders who are not professional racers.
@@killacoiler1707 Wow that was a book....but all valid points and I tell anyone who will listen . I chose the K6-R because I ride MX mostly and it is the only China Bike that is designed for it and can take it. I have nothing but praise for it....now just have to long term test her.
@@Dirt_Bike_Dave i think people assume too much and are afraid to step out of convention. China makes high end and low grade products the same as any other country the biggest problem with all that is China is known for pirating existing tech.
I have been trying to find a Koshine distributor here in the US. They make small displacement 2t MX bikes from 50cc up to 150cc that for all intents are clones of KTM 2T SX machines. I want to get my hands on a couple of their 85, 105, and 150cc bikes to run them against their Japanese and European counterparts. Finding them in the states is the issue. If we can have fun on comparable machines at a fraction of the cost why not? I share your sentiments of buying another person's hidden gremlins and it not being any more cost effective.
@@Dirt_Bike_Dave I have been talking with Joe Henner and he is developing some upgrades for that bike that should put it on par with most of the pre-fuel-injected Japanese models. He told me that he read that Rekluse has an auto clutch system for it. That says something right there. Hopefully, 2022 will find a couple of these K6-R bikes in my son's and my stable.
Mine is fuel injection
Make sure you keep that fuel pump filter screen clean.👍
Had it out once so far seems like a really solid bike for the money.
What's the weight and HP compared to the crf250r. Just curious
@@carlscheidbach80 . 243lbs and 34hp.. good midrange
I just wish there was a bigger support for aftermarket accessories.
T.M 300 trial master is way better cheaper and it's 296cc a true 300cc bike. An it's more or less a K.T.M so yea.
So nope..I have seen them and really only the TM38 is of any quality and it is a step below the Kayo in engine and suspension performance..also frame is not same metal...again having said that, for the money they are a GREAT value.