Installing Metal Floor Using 3M 8115 Panel Bond.
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 12 ก.ย. 2024
- This is a quick video we shot today about bonding metal together instead of welding it all.... Nice quick and easy and holds great.
We are not endorsed by anyone or by any products... All products we use are proven in repair that we use in the shop here..... This Video is for entertainment only.
Also Cure times vary in temps as well.... Please use judgement even though I said a few times 24 hrs.... we use that time frame but I am sure tech pages and techs may say otherwise. Follow your directions and your judgement.
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IT sucks that many people dont believe in chemical bonding ! I only used chemical to do my Mustangs floor pans and it is doing awesome ! I even used POR-15 for added protection and still looking good after 2 years !
But you did it wrong I think… first you have to purge to get the bond correct… and then I thought you were supposed to flatten the glue on both side of the bonding surfaces and then run a thin bead on one…. Doing it like this ensures all metal is covered and no rust… the bead you ran Doesn’t cover all the metal so the potential for rust still stands no?
I think there's so much potential for this in places beyond late model collision repair.
I was using this 25 yrs ago and was totally impressed at it's strength and the fact it will not rust.
we have a friend here at the shop who showed us this product 5 years ago and we tried it and have excellent results.., he has been in automotive Collison for many years.
@@ES4406 I actually had the chance to test it on my own vehicle. I spliced a quater panel and used it solely and (since this was an old beater) I backed it into a pole. Not only did it stay together I pulled it back out and not one seam broke. Amazing product.
It looks like you do some nice work. However you should read and follow the directions, it's very important. You must solvent clean after blowing off. You should use a 3M applicator. You MUST spread out the adhesive on BOTH parts and then apply a 3rd bead before mating parts together, You must also equalize the cartridge and extrude a small amount of adhesive out before applying to the parts. FYI, if you ever do need to get the parts apart you can heat to 400F with a heat gun or induction heater. Thanks for the video.
yes, thought the same after watching 3m videos. They probably squished enough out of the join to seal the metal....
What cheap applicator do you recommend that's good to use with 3M and SEM 200ml epoxy cartridges?
@@colt5189 - With $10 grand in my pocket, I could get 25% of what my discount would be at body shop supplies.
I have watched a dozen of their latest videos and my god, they are air powered guns, air motors or cheaper looking plastic like a 3D printed with plastic push rods and everything.
They must be loosing the patent rights to get a 2:1 ratio of product on your vehicle. Upol offers similar product with glass beads to control film thickness at the same 2:1 ratio.
If 3M makes a very good product to sell to the manufacturers then aftermarket to collision shops, once done, they don’t fire the chemists & engineers and lock the door after lights out! Oh no! They keep dreaming up thinner stuff, thicker stuff, changes colors when mixed stuff. You name it. A building 6 stories high (10 ft per story) has 30 chemists and engineers on each floor, now you are talking 3 billion per year for payroll, insurance, holiday, time off, vacation, lights, gas, water, permits, inspection of fire equipment since chemicals and workers comp, fire insurance, upkeep…. No wonder it cost $58 for a sack with 200ml of panel bond & two tips! Two tips, that’s all.
That is like opening a bag of “Dorito’s” and saying, here, eat just one.
Ok, I got it off my chest. But it is crazy expensive. No wonder new trucks are $38,800 and up from a base model. Got a new ten year old car, insurance is high even with “LKQ” parts. That means; like quality, similar kind but certified used and removed correctly as to not damage the integrity of the glued spot welded every 20mm part!
ASE master tech since 1978, retired.
3M does have great products, and I have used them a lot in the aviation industry, but you might try Plexus sometimes. They usually beat 3M on cost, and performance. Great video, and thanks for the ideas.
thank you gentlemen for your excellent video
I'll be here effin' all week! LoL! I'm getting some of this stuff.
If CCC recommends it I’m gonna get it. Put my f259 bedside back on with this stuff, thanks!!!
Your welcome!
Thank you. Looks like a great product.
Yes 8115 is a good product used correctly. we used it in this case to hold the floor to the frame work.
You can save the panel bond and other products easy. Leave the mixing tip on it as only 2/3rds will harden, tape the tips, plug and write the date on it, then place it in an area, room or beer fridge (But do NOT freeze) but is dark cool area at 40-55 degrees, it can last two to three years.
When you are ready to use, allowing to warm on its own, remove the mixing tip and use a pick to remove any hard chunks. It will last much longer this way and perform just fine.
As a retired getting ready to my 38 year old son’s rocker panel on his 86 Monte SS, just a section with some 18 gauge then spot weld in select areas, I thought I would let you know. Oh, yah, I forgot to mention that he can’t put most things together and I’ve 7 back surgeries with an implanted nuerostimulator and metal electrodes at the L1. If I lay on my back, it feels like two paper clips in the wall outlet down my legs. The good news it don’t and never hurt there. The bad news it hurts above when I bend and I am 6’3” tall.
Everything is built short.
But save your product man. It hurts my heart to see you toss that in the can!
Stay safe and it looks like you guys do good work. I envy having a buddy!
ASE master tech since 1978, retired.
Yeah panel bond is great we use that stuff on everything at the shop and seam sealer that looks great guys except for the bent part where tailgate goes lol 😂
Manual mixing is NOT equal amounts. The mix ratio is evidenced by the different tube sizes. Mix equal amounts, you will have a bad mix and will run out of the second part early. FOrcing the plungers in each tube equal distances will give you the correct ratio.
You can if you know what you are doing with 08115. I use the apply gun all the time ...The activator is smaller in the
one side of the tube than the product... what was meant it that equal amounts from both sides produce the correct amount.... we do use the mix tubes all the time. You are correct as what the gun does.
very informative, thanks. Subbed!
Very welcome! Thanks!
Dont wont to be picky but you can split the two pieces with a heatgun if you need too.These kinds of glue are yoused from the factory on a lot of cars.
Great job. Just wondering what size tubes of adhesive you used? And how many tubes did you go through? Trying to determine how many linear feet you can get out of a tube. Thanks in advance
We went through a tube and a half... it goes pretty far. Bond work is amazing
You didn't purge the cartridge before installing the mixing tip.
I thought about this to put wooden liners in aluminium frame onto the bus deck.
The parts being used by the marine ...yacht manufacturers. Easier then to drill
before hundreds of mounting holes.
Thanks .. do you think you can put on a front floor pan of chevy blazer 1979? .. I have the floors . I don't know weld . So if I can bond this to that floor it will be great..
I would highly recommend you get a hold of a representative at 3M Just to be sure!
great video. so one question, why didn't you use 3M Impact Resistant Structural Adhesive 07333? Isn't a stronger that 8115?
I dont have that answer as our Jobber only stocks 8115 for metal repair. We have had great results with this product following 3ms instructions of use. Thank you!
I don't think I can afford the special gun. Is there a way to just mix this up by hand? Manually? I only need to weld together mustang headlight extensions onto fenders. Probably about 8 sq inches of area on each fender. $63 dollars for the gun~!
So how is the truck bed holding up now Since this video is 4 years ago. Just curious because I'm doing Body work on my Project 85 Camaro And I will be putting full floor pans inside and this might be the route that I'll be going I had no idea about this product until 11:54 you're video very informative 👍
No issues has over 18k on it... doing well. Thanks.
@@ES4406 Glad to hear that definitely gonna go that route.
@@ES4406I'm pretty sure you're supposed to put some self-fetching metal primer down before you do any bonding. Also before the primer you should wipe down the bare metal with acetone and then denatured alcohol that will remove any oils or grease. Just sanding it doesn't do that.
@@christophergagliano2051has to be bare metal
Better than welding...Correct?
yes depending on your use. holds out great. but we still do a lot of welding in the shop!
Does the 3M 8115 sag? On my car, I've got like a 1/4" wide gap between two panels that runs for like 8". One panel is SMC and the other is aluminum. The gap runs horizontal and goes down deep. But I'm going to fill like the top 1" of it as I need to keep rain water out. And someone recommended I use the 3M 8115 for this as it will stick to both SMC and aluminum with no primer needed and this needs to be permanent. Though it has a long set time and so I'm not sure if it will sit where I put it or if it will sag and run? Thanks
Do you recommend this product for plastic like fender flares and bodykits?
Does it work on plastic
Bro, it works on metal lol, I think that says enough
difference between 08115? and 08116?
This seems more complicated than welding to me.
Hi , I want to put a carbon fiber roof on my car , can I use this product ? do i need to sand first ? or paste this as a simple glue .. thank u in advance
I cannot tell you it will work... 08115 its more of a metal to metal bonding product. You may want to research to find the correct product for your application. Thanks!
Takes 5 minutes with 2 hours prep !
I thought you could heat the set glue with a torch and get it apart.
we have never needed to do that so cannot say.
@@ES4406 If you have a little left on a job glue to pieces of scrap metal together and see if it works.
this gun is 70 bucks is there any cheaper ones out?
Not that i know of... we paid close to that with this application gun
What is the open time?
Says 60 (or 90 minutes can't remember) but realistically depending on the heat about 15-20 minutes till it starts to solidify
Can you go back to add a few welds to it?
I dont recommend that because it will ruin the product.... if theres no welding heat that hits it ..I am sure its fine. The panel bond properly used is stronger than welding.
whats the shelf life of this after being saved for later?
Good question... we have used it up to 4 months without any issues... but its properly stored and secured.
The shelf life is 2 years. After use, leave the mix nozzle on and allow it to cure which will seal the cartridge and you will not shorten the shelf life significantly.
NO! DON'T MAKE SURE THEY'RE EQUAL AMOUNTS! Make sure you move each piston the same amount! The volumes dispensed will then be right and one will be smaller than the other! Think about it....
Yes It dispenses the same but the larger end of the mix puts out more. I cannot fix the video.
Is it really that strong ?
yes
Fear!!!!
All week???? I think you need to learn to weld my friend if you think it's going to take all week
It was a figure of speech my friend.... Old video..... this comment was buried.... It will take me all week to list the projects that got welded at this shop over the past 20 years.