since trash can became what it supposed to be - a stylish thing in your house - and nobody will use it as a computer, than yea, I can imagine this as a collector's item
@@cadenchurchill4296 I wasn't defending this iteration of the Mac Pro I was just making an observation about how he sounds talking about it. but yes I do kinda think it looks kinda cool even if it doesn't work very well
@@shock9616 I know, and agreed! Looks hilariously like a trash can, but somehow is super gorgeous at the same time. Apple is great at making some really beautiful products.
Benjamin K Although Jony Ive likely prioritized asthetics over function, he's a designer so that's to be expected but, Ive is up there with Steve Jobs as for the reason Apple is where it is today. His minimalist and clean Asthetic design language influenced an entire industrial design Renaissance in both software and hardware. I think it had more to do with certain philosophies at Apple at the time, that Ive definitely contributed to towards removing the customer from the actual hardware as much as possible.
What killed the Trashcan was the failure of Thunderbolt 2 adoption by the industry. If they tried it again with Thunderbolt 3, it would probably go a lot better.
It still would've been hot garbage. Having all your hardware inside a single computer is an invaluable asset. Would you rather have just the hardware take up an entire desk, cables strewn about everywhere, or in a single computer, with half a dozen so cables coming out the back for power, display(s) and other plug-and-play hardware?
Enmity the Kindhearted Apple sold nothing to intel. Intel invented thunderbolt (with input from Apple), Apple was just the first and widest adopter, it took a while for Intel to release the development kits for others for thunder bolt 1. The first thunderbolt 2 device however, wasn’t even an Apple product, it was an Asus motherboard
We purchased four and they worked flawlessly for five years until we sold two of them for the original price! Not a perfect machine but the balance of reliability, power and portability was second-to-none. Easily the most reliable Macs we’ve ever owned in 25 years - we still have a couple of them.
@@TheStopwatchGod Absolutely, they were tiny, especially for 12-Cores. I travelled with one and a USB monitor for years: th-cam.com/video/rj3gq74ODXQ/w-d-xo.html/. Most reliable Macs we owned, it's faster than the 8-Core MBP I have now (which also gets random kernel panics). Waiting for a 3nm MBP.
The main issue with the Wii U was just terrible marketting leading people to believe it was more of an add-on in the vein of the Sega CD or 32X was for Sega's Genesis/Mega Drive. When it comes to stuff meant for the consumer market, failures are expected, but for the professional market, failures like this can do so much more damage to their image.
I too quite like it. I mean for the audience it's horrible. I think if they used that same design in a consumer mac desktop (like the mini, but more powerful), it would suite the audience.
Since I got it did never give me a single issue. I use every port on it and it was a great tool for music production and graphics design. I don’t see it as a failure. By the way, it still rocking.
Apple had their first flop back in the early 80s with the Apple III. The main reason it failed was because Steve Jobs insisted that there not be a cooling fan inside it.
@@ConsumerOfCringe I think he's using that as one example of many bad decisions by Jobs and other higher-ups at Apple, consistently throughout their history.
@Aaron Yasab That's why Kensington made the System Saver. We had one on our Apple //e when I was a kid. It looked just like this: i.pinimg.com/originals/28/46/f2/2846f247eafba69e6075b7f8804f7b2e.jpg
Since everything is proprietary hardware in macs anyway(a space saving design with thermals and noise and upgradability, with those custom pci-e plugin 3-force system) this was such a great idea. Ofc consoomers fail to see that. It had nothing to do with the trashcan-mac at all
7:44 "In early 2018 Apple finally introduced the third generation Mac Pro" WHAT?? Apple didn't unveil the 3rd gen Mac Pro until June 2019 and it wasn't officially released until December 2019.
I've constantly heard one complaint after another about this product but I bought one a few years ago and it's been a solid little workhorse doing everything I've ever asked of it.
@Deon Denis Mine is still yet to disappoint. Outperforms my 2018 15" macbook pro just a little bit, did some cheap upgrades and it continues to be awesome to this day.
@@wta1518 I have the 12-core xeon 128 GB RAM version of this and it's still a beast. In terms of performance (i use it in music production) it holds up on par with the M2 macs, as those have unified memory and can't hold as many active tracks in DAWs like the intel based ones.
It was the death of innovation and being connected with the people. New Apple has a problem to understand what customers really want. The MacBook line is so confusing now
@@lucas73628 I’d have to agree. Their naming for their iPads is horribly confusing as well! Their products are still great, but it now feels much more like they’re just focusing on keeping them up to date, rather than changing their designs and really offering something new on a regular basis. At least I won’t feel tempted to update my iPhone 11 and iPad Air 3 for a while then?
@@lucas73628 bruh not to mention the glowing apple logo (and also mac startup sound) are gone from macbook apple tldr apple then: expensive & innovative apple now: very pricey with no significant innovations and i would consider it as a hypebeast brand
Gerald Adamson True, some people are so silly 😂😂😂😂 Cause I definitely don’t have an iPhone and really want a MacBook so I can be a part of their walled garden at all... 😏😉
This Mac is, to me, the most gorgeous computer to have ever been created. I’ve had mine for 6 years and I still love it as much as day 1. It’s still pretty fast as well.
I agree.. Furthermore upgrades are cheap now and not difficult if you take your time and are careful too.(minus graphics) but egpu is a possibility. I become distracted every day just looking in the reflections lol...
@@Brycereigle2000 any chance you could send me in the right direction for those relatively cheap and easy upgrades? I’ve been looking at upgrading the cpu but it looks like a risky process
Never had an issue with mine and I use it for professional music production. Not a single heat issue, I’ve easily upgraded the ram and hard drives and it’s still going strong.
I think the thing that is typically missed is giving it space on the bottom to let air in.. keeping the thermal paste fresh goes a long way also as well as not letting it become clogged with dust (obviously). Mine has always ran super cool and the fan never goes over 800rpm in normal use. Can't hear it at all unlike almost anything comparable spec wise.
You fail to mention the major flaw of the 2019 Mac Pro. It’s pricing. Yes I’ve heard it all before, if you’re not made of money and can’t afford it, it’s not made for you. Well, what constitutes a PROfessional. Most dictionaries defines a professional as someone who makes a living from his/her profession! The vast majority of PROFESSIONALS (outside of Hollywood) can’t justify $10.000 - $50.000 for a computer, but still has the professional needs (expandability, upgradability, etc.) The 2019 Mac Pro should be called Mac Elite or something, because it’s NOT aimed at professionals! I predict that it will be another failure for Apple and force even more PROFESSIONALS to migrate to PC (Windows). Had apple kept the starting price at ≈ $3.000 (and refrained from selling $400 wheels), they could have sold a thousand units for each one they are going to sell. I see two possible futures: 1) This is the death of Apple as a manufacturer of computers for the worlds professionals. 2) Apple does yet another backstroke and releases a more realistically priced Mac Pro R. It’s my opinion that Apple hasn’t made a computer for professionals (discounting MacPros) since 2012. And still doesn’t! The Trash Can wasn’t a pro computer. It was a screenless iMac! The 2019 Mac Pro isn’t aimed att the professionals that has waited for it for (almost) a decade There is a huge demand for a professional Mac computer out there, that Apple seems hellbent to ignore. Many have been forced to migrate to PC and more will. Also, what are those who have invested $50.000 in a computer thinking when they are told, after only a couple of months, that their computer will be obsolete within a couple of years? The words that come to mind, isn’t suitable to utter in polite society. What will this do to Apples credibility as a whole?
Sven Isaksson Forgive me I didn’t read the whole comment (in fact just the beginning of it) but I have two theories as to why the Mac Pro is priced the way it is: -Apple simply doesn’t want prosumers or regular customers to be able to afford a Mac Pro, because they don’t want those userbases to get a chonky desktop Mac. -They only want the richest of the rich to be able to afford the new Mac Pro because they want to kill off Intel-based Macs quickly. That MIGHT be also why they didn’t add WiFi 6 support to existing Macs, even the ones with 10th gen mobile processors which come with WiFi 6 as STANDARD. Because if they add WiFi 6 support to those Macs, it also means Hackintoshers being able to add WiFi 6 in their systems. They want as few people to hold onto their Intel-based Macs as possible.
@@utubekullanicisi The issue isn't that the 2019 Mac Pro isn't aimed at prosumers. It's that it's not aimed at the vast majority of PROFESSIONALS, that has held out for 8 years! It's soley aimed at large (Hollywood) corporations and institutions that need to burn through their budgets. By the way, I wonder how those that have spent money on the 2019 Mac Pro feels, now, when they've learned that their $10.000 to $50.000 computer will be obsolete within 4-5 years?
@@utubekullanicisi - it is almost the opposite way. The Mac pro is squarely aimed at the prosumer. It is very, very hard to justify the price for it as an professional, it's more for rich users that doesn't need to see it as an investment and pay it off as an expense
@@utubekullanicisi I don't talk about prosumers (whatever that is). I'm talking about PROFESSIONALS! Beieve it or not, there are millions of professionals outside Hollywood.
I love my trash can and it still does everything I need (GarageBand, Logic, Movie conversions, Photo editing, etc.). I love the form factor but I am not a "pro". So yea, I can see why real pros had a gripe. The new Mac Pro should address all their concerns but it is waaayyyyy too expensive for "semi pros" like me.
My initial 12 core with dual d700 is still going strong. It was a work machine that I purchased when they were decommissioned. Any issues with them is resolved by using mac fan control and setting the fan to run at 1200ish rpm.
When I worked for Apple, I sold a good amount of those machines. People were going nuts for that thing. It's sad that it didn't work out overall because, this thing was a beast and gorgeous.
That 1 min squarespace spot that you weaved in there from 3min-4min mark was really intrusive. I can put up with some sponsorship but damn.. I forgot what the video was about. Later bud.
It may have been a sales failure, and it may have been a failure to serve pro users, but I still to this day appreciate the product for what it is. I appreciate the effort and creativity they put into it. It’s a very polished product (not in the literal sense). I think if they simply had marketed differently, like simply as a “Mac Mini Pro”, with a price tag that wasn’t so outrageously high, I think it would have done well. But their mistake was marketing it as a Mac Pro for actual pro consumers that need modular computers.
I want to ask for clarification. when you say that the 2013 mac pro was the second generation, are you referring to the design or the internal hardware? If its the internal hardware, there were 6 spec refreshes from when the Mac Pro was introduced in 2006 to replace the PowerMac G5 to the trashcan.
I have one of these and is the base one. It still runs the latest Windows 10 and macOS Catalina. Now has Big Sur Beta installed and no problems at all! I have Bootcamp in a partition and I can even play PES 2020, Civilization VI, and CSGO with no problem at all. Just had to install a fan controller to better manage fans. I love it despite I have a MacBook Pro 16.
1:21 it isn’t due to not having destrainers, it’s cause apple don’t use rubber for their cables, but some other polymer that just isn’t that durable long term
The 2006 Mac Pro was updated in 2007, 8, 9, and 10, and technically 12, though 2010 was the last CPU refresh. 2013 was only a year after the last update. People weren't waiting that long for an update to the Mac Pro the first time. The second time, though, you could still buy a 2013 in 2017, and that was sad.
It has a special place in my heart. I love mine. Outside of gpu, it is now cheap to upgrade and not difficult if you take your time and are careful. A lot of people complain about heat, Crucial to have sufficient airflow in the bottom also, they become stuffed with dust, important to clean out, and worth the time invested to repaste all dies, mine rarely exceeds 800rpm, cannot hear it at all. Can't say that for another desktop of its class. Resale is hard to justify nowadays, but if you get it at a fair price I think it gets less credit than it deserves.
I love mine thanks, I have upgraded the onboard 1tb SSD to 2tb and RAM from 32gb to 128gb; it runs just fine and is not even close to the insane prices of the 2020 Mac Pro (I could buy a Tesla for what those cost fully-dressed out)! Oh, and I am a PRO (as in 45 years doing this) software developer! Oh, and Schiller has been, is, and always will be a dipstick!
They took a primitive object and removed the top and bottom and added a solidify modifier with some Catacuri Mark Subdivision and added a Fresnel shader.
I own one. Bought used for peanuts. 12 cores, 64G RAM, 2T SSD. And while I’m not a pro user by your definition, I like it quite much. I run 3 VMs at the same time fine, I build huge C++ projects fine, I can edit 4K videos fine (ignoring the part where I have the artistic abilities of a rock) etc. and I paid for it very very little. I have 32T of 4K capable LaCie 5Big Thunderbolt 2 for peanuts...
These were and are great machines, they just never updated them. And they optimized for dual GPU when the whole industry doubled down on single GPU. The idea of these not being “upgradeable” is silly when no Mac Pro has ever actually been particularly upgradeable dude to the lack of driver support for other components. Hell, the new Mac Pro tower is likely going to be EOL’d by Apple silicon, far from upgradeable. You don’t talk about the performance anywhere which was actually quite good when it came out and it held up well for a long time and from a CPU standpoint holds up decently today. The portability is also pretty convenient. I’ve traveled with mine quite a bit. I’d love to see them do another mini Pro with Apple silicon…doesn’t even necessarily need to be modular though that would be nice. Just ship it with a better GPU.
I love my late 2013 macpro ! It works perfectly ! I use it for music : no noise ! and it is expandable. I changed the ssd hard drive (2to) and 64go of ram.
At work we have two named Mctrashin 1 and Mctrashin 2. They get so hot in winter we don't use the heating on the Air-conditioning system but have to keep the air-conditioning on all the time during summer as they like to overheat in the Australian summer
I honestly think they should bring this design back but as a new category, like a "Mac Pro mini" and it can fit in the market between the Mac mini and Mac Pro. Someone who wants a desktop that's more powerful than a Mac mini and wants to choose their own video card but doesn't need all the expandability of the Mac Pro. And it needs to be priced as such as well, much cheaper than it originally was, somewhere around $1300-$1700. Have it run on the Apple Silicon chip that will eventually be in the Mac Pro and I think it would be a pretty successful product. Of course it all depends on how Apple treats the Mac Pro after it switches to Apple Silicon, because it looks like those chips won't support 3rd party video cards, but I have to assume the Mac Pro would be the exception, and if so then this Mac Pro mini could as well.
You said people didn't want to spent Tens of thousands of dollars. They didn't. It did not cost that much. I bought the mid-grade in 2015 and it only cost about $4,000. I still love my trashcan to this very day---it is extremely powerful and runs smooth as silk. I think it would have survived if instead they treated like a Mac Pro mini, which it really fits well as a portable mac pro. I haven't had heating problems once. The G4 cube was a far bigger flop--it was only on the market a few months. And don't get me started about the Apple III, AppleTV, 20th Anniversary, and even Lisa. Those were FAR worse flops. Trashcan wasn't a flop, a lot of people bought them and more are out there than the newly far more expensive Mac Pro. I was just too early for the Thunderbolt craze. If it had come out several years later with TB3 and marketed as a MacPro mini, we'd still see them on Apple's website along with the new Mac Pro.
Steve Jobs was such a stickler for user friendly design with the original iMac's beautiful colors and translucent case and the handle that says "it's okay to touch" even when it would add to the production cost. Having a product that people call "trash can" is the literal antithesis of that philosophy. Even 10 years later, "Apple trash can" can still create LOLs. I haven't followed Macs for a long time, so I didn't know this thing existed.
I feel like if they took that design, changed specs to Mac Mini or iMac tier ones, renamed it to just the "Mac" and priced it reasonably so normal people can afford it then it'd sell
1:59 was me at 8 with my Commodore 64/Amiga 1200. I own three Mac Pro 2010 and one Mac Pro 2013 running Radeon Vega 56 external GPU. Use my Mac Pro 2013 for Mac gaming, Xcode , FCP and Logic
davenz000 I don’t buy this argument. Apple has become so much richer in the last decade that, even if the percentage of the total money they own that they keep for R&D of Macs is lower, the amount of money they spend on Macs should be still higher than 10 years ago. Besides, they still make a ton of money from Macs too.
This is an amusing TH-cam video. Most developers who use the Mac Pro 2013 are very happy with it. I have a close friend who makes 500k a year and you can't pry the machine out of his hands. He runs multiple VM's and does a lot of system prototyping. I think the group that had issues was the TH-cam video guys. The rest just motored ahead and used the machine to make their nut.
When the Mac user interface first came out, British users were confused with the trash can icon- it looked like a mailbox to them, and they started dragging their email messages there to send them.
You actually believed that nonsense? Seriously? It's bullshit. After all, when the Mac first came out in 1984, there was no email app available for it! And more to the point, hardly anyone used email in 1984. Even most employees at large companies didn't have it, unless they were tech companies to begin with. Email didn't start becoming commonplace until the idea of every single employee, regardless of status, having their own PC became normalised, and that didn't start happening until the late 80s. Before then, PCs were expensive enough that only the senior staff in any company tended to have them. And even after email became a regular thing in all workplaces, it still took until the mid-to-late 90s before significant numbers of people started buying home PCs and getting internet connections so they could use email at home.
Actually these made pretty DAW workstations, (unless you needed PCIe slots - Pro Tools HD). Audio engineers and composers were quite happy with them. Audio apps don’t use the GPU, so the 12-core Xeon, the first workstation that shipped with a m.2 flash drive (that I know of), and the quiet fan made for a good experience overall. In fact with prices dropping on these now, a 12-core 6,1 would be an ok choice for a VEP slave if you want a Mac.
I purchased a base model Mac Pro 2013 about 6 months ago and use it every day with 4 monitors attached to it. It is a WONDERFUL and fast computer and for the $600 I paid it is quite a bargain. Also, the D700 gpu version has faster graphics and the M1 models Apple currently sell ... so there is that too. We are talking a 10 year old computer has better GPU performance than the M1 Apple computers.
All they had to do was make that big tower moderately smaller then it was. Say 20% smaller and gradually over time they could better but out a product like the 2014 Mac Pro. I would love to see a smaller version of it today as more of a moderate step up from a Mac Mini.
Plz make a video on using external hard drive with ipad pro...after connection 1. Will it works as internal storage ?? 2.How will be the video editing experience as compared to videos on internal memory... 3.Do all photos n videos come in photos app directly just after connecting the hard drive. Plz help i m going to buy ipad pro... But confused if i should go for higher storage or less storage +ssd. Thankyou i m a medical student.
This is not a how to channel. 1. No, but you can access it over the Files app. 2. Depends on the app you're using. Most likely you need to copy the files to your internal storage first. 3. No. Overall, I recommend to rather use iCloud Drive than an SSD. 2TB of Storage is around 10€ a month, you can access it from every device and it works more seamlessly with the Files app.
I visited a music producer recently. He is now using Windows and Fruity loops. The reason is simple. That thing and a ridiculous price of the current Mac Pro.
and he runs fl studio on the trash can? He over payed imo I got my computer literally free from a company that was throwing there old computers in the trash literally and it can get all that done, and more! i7 2600, 12gb ram, works fine I think the trash can must of been overkill for an aplication like this.
2013 Apple: We need a new product thats revolutionary. We need new products to be known for. Nobody: Also Nobody A random Employe: A TRASH CAN BUT MAKE IT PRO Apple: Shut up and take my money
I am still using the trash can since I got it in 2014. It may not be really great for the high-end pro users, but if Apple can refresh it with new internals and place it as a new mid-tier model between Mac Mini and the Mac Pro tower that would be a great thing. I honestly don't need PCI expansion but I don't want the mini due to the graphic card. And I don't want iMac because I basically am never a fan of all-in-one.
Apple should have added a connection for the trashcan, meaning another trash can can attach on top creating good ergonomics, while allowing for additional venting, rather cluttering the table
Mac Pros are kind of overkill for anyone except people who do all their work on a computer and do heavy tasks like video editing and 3D rendering. It's incredible, but unnecessary.
I've seen really old Mac chargers fray, but I don't get how I've never had an Apple charging cable fray on me. Any failure is suspected to be internally inside the cable, because mine have always looked fine. They do have a strain relief, it's just not nearly as stiff as others.
Actually quite a good mac: small, fast, inexpensive and it is quiet (unlike the mac mini), memory and storage (SSDs) can be replaced ... it is rather good !
The form over function thing is why I usually stay FAR away from Apple products. I pity anyone who keeps spending their money on lower performance for the price, just because.
tbh the main problem was the gamble on the dual gpu. normally apple designs products to find solutions of what the consumer doesn’t even know is a problem- that doesn’t work for pro users and you must be aware of what fits into the pro workflow. apple gambled against that and that is too risky for that market, especially where the machines are so expensive.
"...they completely lost signt of the pro users needs"... Which is EXACTLY what they did AGAIN with the 2018 Mac Book Pro! Seems to be a recurring issue over there every 5 years or so. Then they correct the ship and make something nice like the new M1 MBPs for example.
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This just confirms it will become a collector's item in a few years.
since trash can became what it supposed to be - a stylish thing in your house - and nobody will use it as a computer, than yea, I can imagine this as a collector's item
Thats why I wanna buy one other then the fact I like the computer
@@spadesofpaintstudios1719 me too, I believe they'll soar in prices this decade. Just like the cube a few years ago.
garlandstrife I definitely agree with that
You can just buy the case and put it on display lol
5:31 wow, Steve Jobs was committed to Apple. Only leaving the company two years after his death.
Tim Evans that’s real commitment right there lol
lmao nice catch.
What a guy, refusing to retire until two years after death
That's an unforgivable error in retrospect don't ya think ?
That’s why you need to proofread or someone to do it
is it just me or is he,,, angrier-sounding in this one? does this cut deeper or???
I didn't think he sounded angry, just a bit over-energetic like he was on a sugar high while recording or something
@@shock9616 Lol agreed 😂 To be fair, this was not the greatest product ever. Least it was pretty?
@@cadenchurchill4296 I wasn't defending this iteration of the Mac Pro I was just making an observation about how he sounds talking about it. but yes I do kinda think it looks kinda cool even if it doesn't work very well
@@shock9616 I know, and agreed! Looks hilariously like a trash can, but somehow is super gorgeous at the same time. Apple is great at making some really beautiful products.
Yeah lol. He sounded so pissed off in this video.
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@@purpleunicorn9541 look at the Avengers. Only two of them wear capes
@@Alvaro-rq8sn yes vision and Thor.
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I’m really happy that apple is starting to add function to the form
You can thank the departure of Jony Ive for that. He was the one shearing useful features off of Apple devices in favor of aesthetics.
Really? Where?
It's a start, if we can get an I9 Mac that dosent thermal throttle and cables that don't turn into e waste immediately I'll start listening.
Benjamin K Although Jony Ive likely prioritized asthetics over function, he's a designer so that's to be expected but, Ive is up there with Steve Jobs as for the reason Apple is where it is today. His minimalist and clean Asthetic design language influenced an entire industrial design Renaissance in both software and hardware. I think it had more to do with certain philosophies at Apple at the time, that Ive definitely contributed to towards removing the customer from the actual hardware as much as possible.
@@ThatGuy-y2c well Jony is a designer so he’s just here to make it look good
What killed the Trashcan was the failure of Thunderbolt 2 adoption by the industry. If they tried it again with Thunderbolt 3, it would probably go a lot better.
It still would've been hot garbage. Having all your hardware inside a single computer is an invaluable asset. Would you rather have just the hardware take up an entire desk, cables strewn about everywhere, or in a single computer, with half a dozen so cables coming out the back for power, display(s) and other plug-and-play hardware?
Enmity the Kindhearted Apple sold nothing to intel. Intel invented thunderbolt (with input from Apple), Apple was just the first and widest adopter, it took a while for Intel to release the development kits for others for thunder bolt 1.
The first thunderbolt 2 device however, wasn’t even an Apple product, it was an Asus motherboard
The 2013 Mac Pro would be great as a “just Mac” device for casuals that has some upgrade ability that sits between the Mac mini and the Mac Pro
That was before Thunderbolt 3 though
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We purchased four and they worked flawlessly for five years until we sold two of them for the original price! Not a perfect machine but the balance of reliability, power and portability was second-to-none. Easily the most reliable Macs we’ve ever owned in 25 years - we still have a couple of them.
Portability? for a desktop machine?
@@TheStopwatchGod Absolutely, they were tiny, especially for 12-Cores. I travelled with one and a USB monitor for years: th-cam.com/video/rj3gq74ODXQ/w-d-xo.html/. Most reliable Macs we owned, it's faster than the 8-Core MBP I have now (which also gets random kernel panics). Waiting for a 3nm MBP.
Failed products are the price of experimentation. Every innovative company makes a Wii U once in a while.
The main issue with the Wii U was just terrible marketting leading people to believe it was more of an add-on in the vein of the Sega CD or 32X was for Sega's Genesis/Mega Drive.
When it comes to stuff meant for the consumer market, failures are expected, but for the professional market, failures like this can do so much more damage to their image.
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welll xbox now using simalr design.. whiel hell alot of cheaper and more powerful graphic...
campkira lmao don’t forget to drink water
@@campkira That's also a purpose build machine for gaming.
I actually like the design of the Mac Pro... just me?
yea, it kinda looks sleek
The design looked nice, yes, but that’s about it.
It looks like my router, but kinda nice.
I too quite like it. I mean for the audience it's horrible. I think if they used that same design in a consumer mac desktop (like the mini, but more powerful), it would suite the audience.
It is gorgeous and I would buy one to use it for that. A gorgeous piece of art in my house. (:
Since I got it did never give me a single issue. I use every port on it and it was a great tool for music production and graphics design. I don’t see it as a failure. By the way, it still rocking.
Apple had their first flop back in the early 80s with the Apple III. The main reason it failed was because Steve Jobs insisted that there not be a cooling fan inside it.
@Jay Talents they were not that big back then
@Jay Talents why does a retarded decision in the 80s make them a bad company now?
@@ConsumerOfCringe I think he's using that as one example of many bad decisions by Jobs and other higher-ups at Apple, consistently throughout their history.
Sounds like Steve Jobs. People forget that he failed too and failed a lot.
@Aaron Yasab That's why Kensington made the System Saver. We had one on our Apple //e when I was a kid. It looked just like this: i.pinimg.com/originals/28/46/f2/2846f247eafba69e6075b7f8804f7b2e.jpg
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@@danielyaseen there is no I guess. make a decision.
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I loved the Trashcan design. To me is one of the most beautiful computers ever created. The new one is one of the ugliest...
Since everything is proprietary hardware in macs anyway(a space saving design with thermals and noise and upgradability, with those custom pci-e plugin 3-force system) this was such a great idea. Ofc consoomers fail to see that. It had nothing to do with the trashcan-mac at all
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7:44 "In early 2018 Apple finally introduced the third generation Mac Pro"
WHAT?? Apple didn't unveil the 3rd gen Mac Pro until June 2019 and it wasn't officially released until December 2019.
I remember what you are talking about, I was scared as hell that Cook would forget innovation. I'm glad he's stepped up to the plate.
I’m not exaggerating when I say that I absolutely NEVER see your polls in my feed despite having been subscribed for, like, 2 years now.
Same here
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I've constantly heard one complaint after another about this product but I bought one a few years ago and it's been a solid little workhorse doing everything I've ever asked of it.
It’s a very fast system, even almost 7 years after it shipped. I would love to have one.
xbox had more power while had similar design...
@Deon Denis Mine is still yet to disappoint. Outperforms my 2018 15" macbook pro just a little bit, did some cheap upgrades and it continues to be awesome to this day.
That's mainly because Intel CPUs haven't gotten much faster since then (not counting Alder Lake).
@@wta1518 I have the 12-core xeon 128 GB RAM version of this and it's still a beast. In terms of performance (i use it in music production) it holds up on par with the M2 macs, as those have unified memory and can't hold as many active tracks in DAWs like the intel based ones.
People in 2013: Tim Cook will be the death of Apple!
Apple in 2020: I’ve got $2 trillion that says you’re wrong!
It was the death of innovation and being connected with the people. New Apple has a problem to understand what customers really want. The MacBook line is so confusing now
@@lucas73628 I’d have to agree. Their naming for their iPads is horribly confusing as well! Their products are still great, but it now feels much more like they’re just focusing on keeping them up to date, rather than changing their designs and really offering something new on a regular basis. At least I won’t feel tempted to update my iPhone 11 and iPad Air 3 for a while then?
@@lucas73628 bruh not to mention the glowing apple logo (and also mac startup sound) are gone from macbook
apple tldr
apple then: expensive & innovative
apple now: very pricey with no significant innovations and i would consider it as a hypebeast brand
Sheeple with moar money than brains. Well, until they signed over their paychecks to the walled garden.
Gerald Adamson True, some people are so silly 😂😂😂😂
Cause I definitely don’t have an iPhone and really want a MacBook so I can be a part of their walled garden at all... 😏😉
The comparison with the office trash can is crazy.
This Mac is, to me, the most gorgeous computer to have ever been created. I’ve had mine for 6 years and I still love it as much as day 1. It’s still pretty fast as well.
I agree.. Furthermore upgrades are cheap now and not difficult if you take your time and are careful too.(minus graphics) but egpu is a possibility. I become distracted every day just looking in the reflections lol...
@@Brycereigle2000 any chance you could send me in the right direction for those relatively cheap and easy upgrades? I’ve been looking at upgrading the cpu but it looks like a risky process
I've actually been looking for a used one as a "Mac Mini Pro".
Never had an issue with mine and I use it for professional music production. Not a single heat issue, I’ve easily upgraded the ram and hard drives and it’s still going strong.
I think the thing that is typically missed is giving it space on the bottom to let air in.. keeping the thermal paste fresh goes a long way also as well as not letting it become clogged with dust (obviously). Mine has always ran super cool and the fan never goes over 800rpm in normal use. Can't hear it at all unlike almost anything comparable spec wise.
You fail to mention the major flaw of the 2019 Mac Pro. It’s pricing. Yes I’ve heard it all before, if you’re not made of money and can’t afford it, it’s not made for you.
Well, what constitutes a PROfessional. Most dictionaries defines a professional as someone who makes a living from his/her profession! The vast majority of PROFESSIONALS (outside of Hollywood) can’t justify $10.000 - $50.000 for a computer, but still has the professional needs (expandability, upgradability, etc.) The 2019 Mac Pro should be called Mac Elite or something, because it’s NOT aimed at professionals!
I predict that it will be another failure for Apple and force even more PROFESSIONALS to migrate to PC (Windows). Had apple kept the starting price at ≈ $3.000 (and refrained from selling $400 wheels), they could have sold a thousand units for each one they are going to sell.
I see two possible futures:
1) This is the death of Apple as a manufacturer of computers for the worlds professionals.
2) Apple does yet another backstroke and releases a more realistically priced Mac Pro R.
It’s my opinion that Apple hasn’t made a computer for professionals (discounting MacPros) since 2012. And still doesn’t!
The Trash Can wasn’t a pro computer. It was a screenless iMac! The 2019 Mac Pro isn’t aimed att the professionals that has waited for it for (almost) a decade There is a huge demand for a professional Mac computer out there, that Apple seems hellbent to ignore. Many have been forced to migrate to PC and more will.
Also, what are those who have invested $50.000 in a computer thinking when they are told, after only a couple of months, that their computer will be obsolete within a couple of years? The words that come to mind, isn’t suitable to utter in polite society.
What will this do to Apples credibility as a whole?
Sven Isaksson Forgive me I didn’t read the whole comment (in fact just the beginning of it) but I have two theories as to why the Mac Pro is priced the way it is:
-Apple simply doesn’t want prosumers or regular customers to be able to afford a Mac Pro, because they don’t want those userbases to get a chonky desktop Mac.
-They only want the richest of the rich to be able to afford the new Mac Pro because they want to kill off Intel-based Macs quickly. That MIGHT be also why they didn’t add WiFi 6 support to existing Macs, even the ones with 10th gen mobile processors which come with WiFi 6 as STANDARD. Because if they add WiFi 6 support to those Macs, it also means Hackintoshers being able to add WiFi 6 in their systems. They want as few people to hold onto their Intel-based Macs as possible.
@@utubekullanicisi The issue isn't that the 2019 Mac Pro isn't aimed at prosumers. It's that it's not aimed at the vast majority of PROFESSIONALS, that has held out for 8 years! It's soley aimed at large (Hollywood) corporations and institutions that need to burn through their budgets.
By the way, I wonder how those that have spent money on the 2019 Mac Pro feels, now, when they've learned that their $10.000 to $50.000 computer will be obsolete within 4-5 years?
@@utubekullanicisi - it is almost the opposite way. The Mac pro is squarely aimed at the prosumer. It is very, very hard to justify the price for it as an professional, it's more for rich users that doesn't need to see it as an investment and pay it off as an expense
Mathias I don’t think you know the commonly accepted definition of ‘prosumer’. Prosumers are between normal consumers and hardcore professionals.
@@utubekullanicisi I don't talk about prosumers (whatever that is). I'm talking about PROFESSIONALS! Beieve it or not, there are millions of professionals outside Hollywood.
Excerpt for the price I loved that computer. The second-hand prices are still ridiculous…
Not now 08/23 they have come way down.
7:43 the third-generation Mac Pro was unveiled at WWDC 2019 and released in December 2019 (in 2018 it didn’t even exist)
Apple fan: APPLE NAVER MADE A FAILED PRODUCT
Me: *thinks about itunes ping*
Me: an Apple fan, who thinks ‘never’ should not be spelled ‘naver’, and that you are a bitter little person
Apple pipin failed
Apple pipin flipped extremely hard when it launched
Literally nobody ever said that.
I love my trash can and it still does everything I need (GarageBand, Logic, Movie conversions, Photo editing, etc.).
I love the form factor but I am not a "pro". So yea, I can see why real pros had a gripe.
The new Mac Pro should address all their concerns but it is waaayyyyy too expensive for "semi pros" like me.
My initial 12 core with dual d700 is still going strong. It was a work machine that I purchased when they were decommissioned. Any issues with them is resolved by using mac fan control and setting the fan to run at 1200ish rpm.
*It’s not called a trash can 🗑 for a reason*
When I worked for Apple, I sold a good amount of those machines. People were going nuts for that thing.
It's sad that it didn't work out overall because, this thing was a beast and gorgeous.
rich people... smart people.. no...
They need to release a new version of the trash can with the M1
Great video... watched on my... Mac Pro 2013, with 128GB Ram and 2TB SSD still happily running Premiere Pro, and all other hungry Adobe products.
That 1 min squarespace spot that you weaved in there from 3min-4min mark was really intrusive. I can put up with some sponsorship but damn.. I forgot what the video was about. Later bud.
iPod hifi may have failed commercially but I love it. Still have one which I use regularly.
It may have been a sales failure, and it may have been a failure to serve pro users, but I still to this day appreciate the product for what it is.
I appreciate the effort and creativity they put into it. It’s a very polished product (not in the literal sense).
I think if they simply had marketed differently, like simply as a “Mac Mini Pro”, with a price tag that wasn’t so outrageously high, I think it would have done well.
But their mistake was marketing it as a Mac Pro for actual pro consumers that need modular computers.
I want to ask for clarification. when you say that the 2013 mac pro was the second generation, are you referring to the design or the internal hardware? If its the internal hardware, there were 6 spec refreshes from when the Mac Pro was introduced in 2006 to replace the PowerMac G5 to the trashcan.
Mmm, I was wondering this. Must be the physical design?
Imagine this design with Apple Silicon. Seems much better than the waste of aluminum that is the current Mac Pro.
I have one of these and is the base one. It still runs the latest Windows 10 and macOS Catalina. Now has Big Sur Beta installed and no problems at all! I have Bootcamp in a partition and I can even play PES 2020, Civilization VI, and CSGO with no problem at all. Just had to install a fan controller to better manage fans. I love it despite I have a MacBook Pro 16.
I had a G4 cube and loved it - didn't know it was a failure.
1:21 it isn’t due to not having destrainers, it’s cause apple don’t use rubber for their cables, but some other polymer that just isn’t that durable long term
trash can to cheese grater apple never fails to disappoint me ;)
The 2006 Mac Pro was updated in 2007, 8, 9, and 10, and technically 12, though 2010 was the last CPU refresh. 2013 was only a year after the last update. People weren't waiting that long for an update to the Mac Pro the first time.
The second time, though, you could still buy a 2013 in 2017, and that was sad.
It has a special place in my heart. I love mine. Outside of gpu, it is now cheap to upgrade and not difficult if you take your time and are careful. A lot of people complain about heat, Crucial to have sufficient airflow in the bottom also, they become stuffed with dust, important to clean out, and worth the time invested to repaste all dies, mine rarely exceeds 800rpm, cannot hear it at all. Can't say that for another desktop of its class. Resale is hard to justify nowadays, but if you get it at a fair price I think it gets less credit than it deserves.
Thank you for doing a video on this.
Next: AIRPOWER
I love mine thanks, I have upgraded the onboard 1tb SSD to 2tb and RAM from 32gb to 128gb; it runs just fine and is not even close to the insane prices of the 2020 Mac Pro (I could buy a Tesla for what those cost fully-dressed out)! Oh, and I am a PRO (as in 45 years doing this) software developer! Oh, and Schiller has been, is, and always will be a dipstick!
is the 128gb of ram working out for you? I have 64 and thinking of upgrading. have the 8 coe 3.0
They took a primitive object and removed the top and bottom and added a solidify modifier with some Catacuri Mark Subdivision and added a Fresnel shader.
I own one. Bought used for peanuts. 12 cores, 64G RAM, 2T SSD. And while I’m not a pro user by your definition, I like it quite much. I run 3 VMs at the same time fine, I build huge C++ projects fine, I can edit 4K videos fine (ignoring the part where I have the artistic abilities of a rock) etc. and I paid for it very very little. I have 32T of 4K capable LaCie 5Big Thunderbolt 2 for peanuts...
Schiller: can’t innovate my ass.
That is great Phil but can we focus on the computer?
These were and are great machines, they just never updated them. And they optimized for dual GPU when the whole industry doubled down on single GPU. The idea of these not being “upgradeable” is silly when no Mac Pro has ever actually been particularly upgradeable dude to the lack of driver support for other components. Hell, the new Mac Pro tower is likely going to be EOL’d by Apple silicon, far from upgradeable. You don’t talk about the performance anywhere which was actually quite good when it came out and it held up well for a long time and from a CPU standpoint holds up decently today. The portability is also pretty convenient. I’ve traveled with mine quite a bit. I’d love to see them do another mini Pro with Apple silicon…doesn’t even necessarily need to be modular though that would be nice. Just ship it with a better GPU.
i think apple had good intentions and wanted to make a high end easily portable desktop. unfortunately it didnt work out so well.
I love my late 2013 macpro ! It works perfectly !
I use it for music : no noise !
and it is expandable. I changed the ssd hard drive (2to) and 64go of ram.
after some dust.. it will..
campkira
I have my macpro since 2015 and it still works fine. I clean it every 6 month (very easy, just 5mn).
Now explain the lack of expansion and cooling of the MacBook Pros please
I still use the iPod Hi-Fi as a soundbar. it's excellent.
agree
At work we have two named Mctrashin 1 and Mctrashin 2. They get so hot in winter we don't use the heating on the Air-conditioning system but have to keep the air-conditioning on all the time during summer as they like to overheat in the Australian summer
They focused on looks first before function. Function, it's purpose for being, should always, always be first.
I haven't watched you some time. And damn the logo locks pretty good. Good job
I honestly think they should bring this design back but as a new category, like a "Mac Pro mini" and it can fit in the market between the Mac mini and Mac Pro. Someone who wants a desktop that's more powerful than a Mac mini and wants to choose their own video card but doesn't need all the expandability of the Mac Pro. And it needs to be priced as such as well, much cheaper than it originally was, somewhere around $1300-$1700. Have it run on the Apple Silicon chip that will eventually be in the Mac Pro and I think it would be a pretty successful product. Of course it all depends on how Apple treats the Mac Pro after it switches to Apple Silicon, because it looks like those chips won't support 3rd party video cards, but I have to assume the Mac Pro would be the exception, and if so then this Mac Pro mini could as well.
The trash can Mac is now in my trash can 😂
What is the difference with Mac Studio? the same cannot be upgraded
You said people didn't want to spent Tens of thousands of dollars. They didn't. It did not cost that much. I bought the mid-grade in 2015 and it only cost about $4,000. I still love my trashcan to this very day---it is extremely powerful and runs smooth as silk. I think it would have survived if instead they treated like a Mac Pro mini, which it really fits well as a portable mac pro. I haven't had heating problems once. The G4 cube was a far bigger flop--it was only on the market a few months. And don't get me started about the Apple III, AppleTV, 20th Anniversary, and even Lisa. Those were FAR worse flops. Trashcan wasn't a flop, a lot of people bought them and more are out there than the newly far more expensive Mac Pro. I was just too early for the Thunderbolt craze. If it had come out several years later with TB3 and marketed as a MacPro mini, we'd still see them on Apple's website along with the new Mac Pro.
If I’m correct “trash can” is just what we’ve called it due to its drawbacks and not what Apple would refer to it as?
LOL! Waiting for GTA 6 to launch is much longer than waiting for the 2nd gen Mac Pro.
I’m happy you finally talked about the apple trash bin
First there was the trash can, now there's the cheese grater what's next?
the microwave
Steve Jobs was such a stickler for user friendly design with the original iMac's beautiful colors and translucent case and the handle that says "it's okay to touch" even when it would add to the production cost. Having a product that people call "trash can" is the literal antithesis of that philosophy. Even 10 years later, "Apple trash can" can still create LOLs. I haven't followed Macs for a long time, so I didn't know this thing existed.
I feel like if they took that design, changed specs to Mac Mini or iMac tier ones, renamed it to just the "Mac" and priced it reasonably so normal people can afford it then it'd sell
1:59 was me at 8 with my Commodore 64/Amiga 1200. I own three Mac Pro 2010 and one Mac Pro 2013 running Radeon Vega 56 external GPU. Use my Mac Pro 2013 for Mac gaming, Xcode , FCP and Logic
"can't innovate my ass" - Phil Shiller. They could have done more but saw the dollar signs for phones.
davenz000 I don’t buy this argument. Apple has become so much richer in the last decade that, even if the percentage of the total money they own that they keep for R&D of Macs is lower, the amount of money they spend on Macs should be still higher than 10 years ago. Besides, they still make a ton of money from Macs too.
This is an amusing TH-cam video. Most developers who use the Mac Pro 2013 are very happy with it. I have a close friend who makes 500k a year and you can't pry the machine out of his hands. He runs multiple VM's and does a lot of system prototyping. I think the group that had issues was the TH-cam video guys. The rest just motored ahead and used the machine to make their nut.
When the Mac user interface first came out, British users were confused with the trash can icon- it looked like a mailbox to them, and they started dragging their email messages there to send them.
You actually believed that nonsense? Seriously?
It's bullshit.
After all, when the Mac first came out in 1984, there was no email app available for it!
And more to the point, hardly anyone used email in 1984. Even most employees at large companies didn't have it, unless they were tech companies to begin with.
Email didn't start becoming commonplace until the idea of every single employee, regardless of status, having their own PC became normalised, and that didn't start happening until the late 80s. Before then, PCs were expensive enough that only the senior staff in any company tended to have them.
And even after email became a regular thing in all workplaces, it still took until the mid-to-late 90s before significant numbers of people started buying home PCs and getting internet connections so they could use email at home.
Actually these made pretty DAW workstations, (unless you needed PCIe slots - Pro Tools HD). Audio engineers and composers were quite happy with them. Audio apps don’t use the GPU, so the 12-core Xeon, the first workstation that shipped with a m.2 flash drive (that I know of), and the quiet fan made for a good experience overall. In fact with prices dropping on these now, a 12-core 6,1 would be an ok choice for a VEP slave if you want a Mac.
I purchased a base model Mac Pro 2013 about 6 months ago and use it every day with 4 monitors attached to it. It is a WONDERFUL and fast computer and for the $600 I paid it is quite a bargain.
Also, the D700 gpu version has faster graphics and the M1 models Apple currently sell ... so there is that too. We are talking a 10 year old computer has better GPU performance than the M1 Apple computers.
All they had to do was make that big tower moderately smaller then it was. Say 20% smaller and gradually over time they could better but out a product like the 2014 Mac Pro. I would love to see a smaller version of it today as more of a moderate step up from a Mac Mini.
Looks like they are selling for 7-900 today in 2022, which is way too much fora Xeon machine but I guess if you want the stylish cylindrical case
Plz make a video on using external hard drive with ipad pro...after connection
1. Will it works as internal storage ??
2.How will be the video editing experience as compared to videos on internal memory...
3.Do all photos n videos come in photos app directly just after connecting the hard drive.
Plz help i m going to buy ipad pro... But confused if i should go for higher storage or less storage +ssd.
Thankyou i m a medical student.
This is not a how to channel.
1. No, but you can access it over the Files app.
2. Depends on the app you're using. Most likely you need to copy the files to your internal storage first.
3. No.
Overall, I recommend to rather use iCloud Drive than an SSD. 2TB of Storage is around 10€ a month, you can access it from every device and it works more seamlessly with the Files app.
I visited a music producer recently. He is now using Windows and Fruity loops. The reason is simple. That thing and a ridiculous price of the current Mac Pro.
and he runs fl studio on the trash can?
He over payed imo
I got my computer literally free from a company that was throwing there old computers in the trash literally and it can get all that done, and more!
i7 2600, 12gb ram, works fine
I think the trash can must of been overkill for an aplication like this.
2013 Apple: We need a new product thats revolutionary. We need new products to be known for.
Nobody:
Also Nobody
A random Employe: A TRASH CAN BUT MAKE IT PRO
Apple: Shut up and take my money
I think I’ve only seen this thing once ever in my city’s tech store, like 1 one time and then it disappeared into nothing
I am still using the trash can since I got it in 2014. It may not be really great for the high-end pro users, but if Apple can refresh it with new internals and place it as a new mid-tier model between Mac Mini and the Mac Pro tower that would be a great thing. I honestly don't need PCI expansion but I don't want the mini due to the graphic card. And I don't want iMac because I basically am never a fan of all-in-one.
I don’t agree, it was different and cool. I just punched one three months ago. Only a small group of people need extreme expansion.
Apple should have added a connection for the trashcan, meaning another trash can can attach on top creating good ergonomics, while allowing for additional venting, rather cluttering the table
Mac Pros are kind of overkill for anyone except people who do all their work on a computer and do heavy tasks like video editing and 3D rendering. It's incredible, but unnecessary.
I've seen really old Mac chargers fray, but I don't get how I've never had an Apple charging cable fray on me. Any failure is suspected to be internally inside the cable, because mine have always looked fine. They do have a strain relief, it's just not nearly as stiff as others.
The Mac Pro without the Pro Features :O
Actually quite a good mac: small, fast, inexpensive and it is quiet (unlike the mac mini), memory and storage (SSDs) can be replaced ... it is rather good !
so does the new xbox...
Now we need a longer term review or retrospective of the mac Pro 3 aka cheese grater mac. :)
I got Microsoft ad on starting. Amazing work Google 😂😂
The form over function thing is why I usually stay FAR away from Apple products.
I pity anyone who keeps spending their money on lower performance for the price, just because.
tbh the main problem was the gamble on the dual gpu. normally apple designs products to find solutions of what the consumer doesn’t even know is a problem- that doesn’t work for pro users and you must be aware of what fits into the pro workflow. apple gambled against that and that is too risky for that market, especially where the machines are so expensive.
Hey Greg Wyatt, did APPLE just ditched the APPLE SILICON M SERIES MAC PRO TOWER / RACK?
why you are not doing live chat since 2 weeks?????please continue it....
I think they need to reuse that design and put the components of the iMac 5K and sell it as a upgradable iMac
The cylinder Mac Pro 2013 is an incredibly beautiful design and it still does its job for me, quietly, powerfully and flawlessly.
What’s crazy is, I didn’t even know about this Mac Pro until this video. You’d think such a unique design would stand out.
7:52 you said early 2018 apple revealed the third generation mac pro at q2 of 2019 and released it in q4 of 2019
"...they completely lost signt of the pro users needs"... Which is EXACTLY what they did AGAIN with the 2018 Mac Book Pro! Seems to be a recurring issue over there every 5 years or so. Then they correct the ship and make something nice like the new M1 MBPs for example.
Doesn't the 2019 Mac Pro have 4 fans? The 4th is a blower underneath the motherboard.