I’m gonna tell you this, no one denies the losing early on. That’s part of the legend. If you knew who the players were surrounding him, you actually be impressed that they were actually able to compete against the beasts of the East. The story is about perseverance and improvement and building guys around him. I’m from Chicago, grew up during this era, it’s a known fact that MJ personally worked with Scottie and Horace to make them they guys that they became bc he knew he couldn’t rely on management to get guys in. With Scottie and Horace we knew we had raw but talented guys that MJ could mold into this. Most people don’t know this bc back in the 80s the only teams you were able to follow really were your local teams. So nationally people don’t know how much MJ helped Scottie and Horace develop.
Exactly. Who holds it against a draft pick for being drafted to a completely shit team? Jordan's career arc is as close to perfect as you can get for a professional athlete.
The bulls of the 80's were all drinking, and using drugs day in and out. This was a 20-30 win team being carried by MJ into the playoffs nearly every year. Without MJ they I don't think make the playoffs even one year. Team was one of the worse sport teams of the 80's.
What’s being missed is all the times they were saying that MJ was the best in the league before he had Won. The winning just solidified the position. His output didn’t really change when he got better players around him.
Magic, during the 84 Olympics when the college players played the Olympic NBA team full of all starts, and HOF players in like 8 or 9 games in July, that the college players won every game, called MJ the best NBA player today. This was before he had stepped foot on an NBA court. I tell people find me another sport or the NBA where a magic, one of the best players in that sport, called a guy coming into said sport, who has yet to step foot on the sport's field/court the best player. You can't do it.
I laugh when they say MJ was a ball hog early on. MJ had more assists in his rookie year than Larry Bird did in his rookie year. In fact, if you actually watched the games you’d see that MJ was forced to score more because if he didn’t the team wouldn’t score. I can’t tell you the countless would be dimes he dropped in his teammates hands that wound up as blown layups or bricks from perimeter. Just watch a random game his first three seasons and you’ll see for yourself.
There's a big difference between being the best player on the Dream team and playing the best on the Dream team because that is the way the team wanted to play
Fact : Phil Jackson wasn't a HOF coach in the beginning.. and early Bulls teams supporting cast was awful.. point is.. unlike LeBron, MJ stayed and built a dynasty organically.. He didn't leave "take his talent to South Beach" they all became HOF 6-0 Champs together
Yup. Phil Jackson wouldn’t be the coach he became without MJ. Why you think he won with Kobe? Same type of player. Never won without that type of player. I will give Phil credit for being able to manage egos. That he was 100% on point with and was what the bulls needed. Bron is not willing to be coachable . He’s a coach killer his whole career. You have to be able to listen to be coachable.
Yeah and ppl thought he was going to win against the championship Celtics team by himself as a sophomore? That’s what is funny. Bird had 4 other HOFers. Isiah had 2 to 3 Other HOFers and MJ had coke heads until Pippen and Horace came to the team.
Everyone always talks about him losing in the beginning, what are you talking about?? Thats part of the reason why people loved him. He started off on a terrible team, DIDN’T leave and go somewhere else to win, stayed with the bulls, worked on his game, got better and then won 6 rings. People love watching someone work their way up and not just take the easy route.
Scottie Pippen is very underrated! In today's game, he would be what Lebron claims he is. Scottie actually covered 1 through 4 and some times 5, depending on the center. Also, Phil Jackson wasn't a Hall of Fame coach at the time he was just a first-time head coach who knew how to really coach up players with good to great talent.
More then coaching, Phil knew how to corral the egos on any team. He was able to pacify guys who maybe might not like each other too much, he was able to have guys likwe that to trust each other on a court. It's why he was called the zen master.
What it didn't tell was the reason why MJ only averaged 20 points in North Carolina, and that was coach Dean Smith believed in all of his players playing team ball, so he had to reign it in a little bit but he could have averaged much more in college.
I graduated HS in 86’ … there hasn’t been another player as Great , as loved and as respected as Jordan was. There was never a question. He proved it nightly! Must see TV. In a Bay Area lifelong Warriors fan. Nobody had a chance as long as MJ was in The league . His Father being murdered on the side of the road was so damn tragic & horrific for him.
Same here (1985) . We were soooooo lucky to live during that time. Saw Magic, Bird, Kareem, MJ and then Kobe and Lebron. Ill be honest, i was bored watching a modern day game and Lebron did not impress me at all.
What’s never mentioned is that Jordan consistently took the last shot of every quarter, many times a long 3. Considering he didn’t shoot many 3’s, I’d be interested to know how much that impacted his percentage.
5 seasons as assistant and a champion in his 2nd season as head. It was a perfect combination and a chicken or the egg situation deciding who affected who's career the most imo.
Phil had never been a head coach before. He developed with the Bulls. If yo boy would have accepted coaching, say in Miami. He would be more comp. And Spo a HOF Coach
Lebron never played with hall of fame caliber coaches cause he has them traded before they can even teach anything. But lebron was convinced to join Miami due to pat rileys system for the heat. So not like lebron didn’t have any good coaches
People have to remember that Jordan got cut from the varsity as a sophomore, but he DID play junior varsity. MJ then excelled in his junior and senior years. Also, in 1986, he missed those games because he broke his foot, not because he injured his ankle.
Back in the day wasn't like today, when you had all these great players on all these different teams, the media and the team fans would say that their star player was better than Jordan because the players were dynamic but they just didn't have that extra drive that Jordan had. 🤷🏿
Jordan was kinda Polarizing for his time, too. Tame by today standards, but I remember some folks disliking him so much, they immediately attached to every Clyde and Charles that Jordan faced in the finals.
In his early career he had drugged out teammates that he didn’t trust so the beginning of the video is not applying any context. Look up MJ leading team USA to an 8-0 record vs the NBA’s best before playing in the NBA. And about the cooking of stats. Lebron James is the supreme chef of stat padding and gets helped with the stat cooking
Great video but I disagree with the comment saying we don’t ever mention those and only say what he did good. Not true, I’ve watched countless jordan videos were that’s mentioned every time. I’m my opinion it’s blown out proportion. Mj in the 80s had no help. No all stars nothing and he was doing everything. Average like 35 points a game, playing both ends of the floor. Scoring, blocking, steals what more could he do by himself. And he still made it just wasn’t ready yet. And back then people were doing drugsvin the locker rooms. Crazy time. Just unfair saying that way, yes he lost but he was having record breaking games so shouldn’t be on jordan. And lebron struggled first few years with great players on his team.
There was a lot of cap with the Pippen talk. First off it was the triangle offense of Tex winters that open all that space on the court for MJ to operate. Second Pippen wasn’t an Allstar caliber player until his 3rd season He came off bench his rookie season 7.9 ppg. Pippen was good defensively but became great playing under those tough love practices with MJ. Pippen got better each year and it was his defense that got him to be an Allstar Not his 16ppg. Horace Grant was just as important to that first threepeat team as Scottie was. So in my opinion he wasn’t over or underrated. He gets the praise he deserves. There were countless times Pippen disappeared in the playoffs. But there were games he came to play as well. Do I believe he would be a hall of famer had he not played with MJ? No. I do not think if he played in Seattle without those MJ practices would he been what he was with the bulls.
What makes Isiah walking out without congratulating MJ when the Bulls swept them was that each time the Pistons beat the Bulls the previous years. MJ was there congratulating the Pistons and wishing them well in the playoffs. That is why Isiah ain’t 💩 and deserves all the stuff that happened to him afterwards. Also Magic robbed MJ as Of two MVPs. Just look it up. MJ should have won those last Magic MVPs and it wasn’t close.
Technically MJ didn't play for a hall of fame coach either, till they won. I mean keep in mind Phil Jackson was a nobody when he joined the Bulls. He was coaching in Puerto Rico before the Bulls. The difference between a HoF coach and a non-HoF coach is proving themselves.
So MJ played with exactly one all star. Pippen did not make the 91 All Star team, so MJ was the only all star on the 91 Bulls. Horace Grant did not become an all star until after MJ retired for baseball. Dennis Rodman, Toni Kukoc, Ron Harper did not make an all star team with the Bulls. Harper had a knee injury that had devalued him, that’s why he was available. He was an all star when he played for the Cavs and Clippers (I think). Rodman was actually past his prime and the Bulls were basically his last chance to stay in the league at all. But he was far from what he was in Detroit with the Bad Boys. Kukoc did not become an all star until after he no longer played for the Bulls. So yea, they were deep but not as stacked as it seems when you look back on those guys’ careers. In the moment they were really good but not as great as they were at other points in their careers when they weren’t playing with MJ. There’s a reason they were available to sign.
That old saying without saying" been there done that" I bet now you think LeBron James has nothing on Jordan or Kobe! Only reason I said Kobe is that LeBron is still chasing that ring to tie Kobe Bryant and still two from Jordan!
All of Jordan's numbers and accolades are legitimate. The suggestion that they are "padded" is not backed up by the actual facts. There's an orchestrated defamation campaign by Lebron's team that wants to diminish Jordan to prop up Lebron because Lebron has done nothing on the floor to be the GOAT so he has to get his people to talk shit about Jordan in a pathetic effort to prop himself up. The facts are that Jordan did more in less time than Lebron. Jordan is the GOAT.
Kareem won 6 MVP awards in 8 years. Most people don't know that. He was the best player in the league for 10 years. Media did not hype him. He was not good for the league making money. Magic and Larry come along. The money flows
for me pip is underrated ... he is the sidekick, and most of sidekicks were underrated😅 ... i would compare pip with giannis in a way, but with a much better shooting ... and like giannis, pip aint a LEADER! but thats fine bcoz he know whos team hes playing .. thats were the brotherly respect comes in with that duo! one of the best duo in basketball history ... pip accepted his role as MJ's robin😅 he'll always gonna be "the sidekick", BUT he'll also be immortalized in basketball history books as "THE GOAT'S PARTNER" ... aint a bad thing for a sidekick, right? ... pip is very underrated! he does everything to support MJ either by defending the best wing of the opp team or helping with the scoring or rebounding, he can also pass and to top it all off, MJ INFECTED HIM WITH HIS PSYCHOTIC BASKETBALL TYPE SH*T😅😂😂 lmfao
I graduated HS in 86’ … there hasn’t been another player as Great , as loved and as respected as Jordan was. There was never a question. He proved it nightly! Must see TV. In a Bay Area lifelong Warriors fan. Nobody had a chance as long as MJ was in The league . His Father being murdered on the side of the road was so damn tragic & horrific for him. Murdered while changing a tire on side of the road .
Lebron James, sorry, LeGM did not want to play for a hall of fame coach.😒 Stop it. He just got JJ Reddick hired to the most storied franchise in all the NBA from a f***ng podcast🤫. That excuse is hog wash, and we know why he purposely avoided that level of accountability like the plague, then sends his minions to try and convince us otherwise😂. He would be forced to play more off the ball and reduce his ability to accumulate selfish assists, sagging off rebounds and garbage time points. He'd be held accountable for his blatant lack of defensive effort. And he couldn’t get away with forcing his teams to be so one dimensional. LBJ prioritizes person stats over winning.🤔 Which hall of fame coach is going to put up with that?
Bron never bought in to anything that his coaches were trying to do. Jordan didn't like the triangle at first, but he bought in and allowed himself to be coached
Ain’t nobody say mj ain’t lose. In fact him losing early in his career and the way he lost is why the 6 and 0 is so iconic. If he had won from the beginning and never lost and got 13 titles tho that would show dominance I doubt people would have found as entertaining. It would have been seen as unfair. Like one punch man having end of show strength in the beginning. It would become parody and a gag.
LeBron is NOT the most complete basketball ever lmao. To have that title you have to give the effort on defense as you do on offense and you cant have a bunch of weaknesses in your game. Only 1 man can check all those boxes, the GOAT Michael Jeffrey Jordan! I'm so sick of hearing about Leflop being so great! He's way overrated!! Kobe was better than Leflop/Lequit! Jordan, Bird, and Magic are top 3 all time! Nobody will ever change my mind!
Bron didn’t play for an all time coach because he refused to actually build with a team and let a coach actually coach. He leaves when things get tough and gets every coach fired. Oh and Hakeem is definitely the goat defender if it number 2. But I can’t have pippen that high. Definitely top 10 and for sure the best perimeter defender ever. but pippen wasn’t as overall impactful as Duncan, Robinson,KG, or bill Russell as defender. I’d say he’s next up after those guys tho.
@coachwiz which year was Phil a hof coach when he coached mj?becuz in order for a coach to become a hof coach they would need to WIN a few chips,now how many chips did Phil win as a coach b4 he became the bulls head coach?……the answer is NONE,mj gave Phil his 1st 6 rings,mj MADE Phil into a hof coach,dnt get shit twisted “coach”smh lebron job is to MAKE his coach a hof and his team the Cavs into a dynasty….smh and you a basketball coach and saying some dumb shit like that smh 🤦🏾♂️
When you see the right video, you’ll discover it was actually food poisoning after eating a pizza in Salt Lake City. I watched that game (as millions did) and he was sicker than a dog. There was no load management, no I don’t want to play back to back games, limited minutes. The players played for the love of the game. He played because he wanted to win. If you want to grow your channel, please stop the conspiracy theories. Facts are facts.
These dudes thinking they smart with hindsight wait in 10 yrs when all the little kids today grow up and all they remember is old man lebron struggling and wondering why they called a lazy old man the Goat.
He was actually good...lol...He's the GOAT and its not even a debate! The truth is... is that if MJ didn't leave for a year and half to play baseball, he would have won 8 straight championships and 12 straight scoring titles. He was the fiercest most determined athlete in any sport I have ever seen. No one could beat he him because he would not let them.
Kobe was the truth, and I really enjoyed watching him play when MJ retired the second time. In my eyes to this day, I still don't understand why the media keeps pushing this fake debate between Lebron and Jordan when it's Kobe that should clearly be in that conversation instead.
Kobe doesn't belong in that conversation either. Although Kobe is definitely above Lebron. Kobe fans always seem to forget that Kobe was a quitter just like Lebron. The Phoenix series in 2006, where Kobe quit on the Lakers to "prove a point" is rarely brought up. Plus, Kobe was not a good shooter, as shown by the fact he has the most missed shots in NBA history. Lebron is definitely NOT a top 5 or even top 10 player in NBA history, but neither is Kobe.
No one denies or ignores his early losing and some of his early weaknesses. But if you’re having a 🐐 debate and your Player A and I’m player B neither dude ever runs down the negatives. LeBron fans don’t start “well he’s choked some series and he’s not a good free throw shooter etc” 😂. Everyone just lists what makes their guy the greatest. And when the negatives are brought up they try and contextualise it.
He had almost 0 talent around him until they got Pippen/Grant. No matter how incredible he was, basketball is still a team sport. You have a lot more videos to watch. He only ever had ONE other All-Star to play with in his career - Pippen, while LBJ picked many teams with All-Stars like Dwayne Wade and Chris Bosch for an example. MJ played with who he was teamed with by management. You didn’t “hear”!that his steals or other stats were padded. Conspiracy theorists and haters post that shit online. He still holds the scoring record after all these years and the 3-point shot wasn’t almost all the fricking offense like it is now. You’ll hear him say (at the time) that he didn’t want to focus on 3’s because the percentage made is lower, etc. No human is perfect but he had ZERO weaknesses and is still the best 2-way player ever. Barkley is 6’5” and one of the top 50 players when the list was created, still was when it was expanded to top 75. You’re missing so much. I suggest you try other channels like “The Real Mind Crime” and “Uncut Hoops” to name just two. Once you’ve objective, you’ll figure it out.
What you mean we always bring up him losing to Bird and Early in his career, it’s what made Mike into Air Jordan. That’s where the Legend really begins. Nobody is denying or saying LeBum isn’t the best player in the league but he ain’t even close to being considered the GOAT. He’s just not. He’s barely top 5.
Once Kareem retired our run was over. Kareem was the best player on the team 3 of Magics 5 rings. League MVP Magics first ring. Finals MVP Magics third ring.
Lol.... first off.. bron played for a HOF coach... second MJ was on that dream team so how was Barkley the best... third ppl do talk about Jordan was losing because of the BUMS he was playing with
@cobyskrilla119 mj was on the team. So how the hell was Barkley the best player? Now if you said Barkley ( was playing the best) that's different. But to say he was the best PLAYER on the team definitely not true
@@phenomfacemob1011 Re-read what I said. The Dream Team was so dominant that any player on it could have gone out there and dropped 50 a game. The players on the team, or the coach, or someone CHOSE to feed Barkley. They gave him every opportunity they could. He averaged something like 30+ points a game. Was Mike the best player on the court? Of course, by a landslide, but statistically Barkley was the best player on the dream team. Just look up the stats. If you watch some highlights you can see them sometimes forcing the ball toe Chuck so he can work. And the entire team was so far ahead of any of there opposition, you'll see a lot of them playing in 2nd gear most of the game and still dropping 20+.
18:05 who was Phil Jackson prior to Bulls? He is not a hall of fame. He became hall of fame due to Jordan and Bryant. LeBron had David Blatt in Cavs. That coach was a champion many times in Europe and had better resume than Jackson prior to Bulls. The difference is whether they are coachable. If you're going to notice the style of play Jordan and Lebron have, one has always the ball, and one was moving without the basketball to get his points.
There was a bunch of Jordan hate while he was dominating. Yes there were players that did somethings better, but no one did it like MJ or looked that smooth while doing it.
I’m gonna tell you this, no one denies the losing early on. That’s part of the legend. If you knew who the players were surrounding him, you actually be impressed that they were actually able to compete against the beasts of the East. The story is about perseverance and improvement and building guys around him. I’m from Chicago, grew up during this era, it’s a known fact that MJ personally worked with Scottie and Horace to make them they guys that they became bc he knew he couldn’t rely on management to get guys in. With Scottie and Horace we knew we had raw but talented guys that MJ could mold into this. Most people don’t know this bc back in the 80s the only teams you were able to follow really were your local teams. So nationally people don’t know how much MJ helped Scottie and Horace develop.
Exactly. Who holds it against a draft pick for being drafted to a completely shit team? Jordan's career arc is as close to perfect as you can get for a professional athlete.
Failure is part of success.
MJ didn't spend all those seasons losing - he spent them figuring out how to win.
The bulls of the 80's were all drinking, and using drugs day in and out. This was a 20-30 win team being carried by MJ into the playoffs nearly every year. Without MJ they I don't think make the playoffs even one year. Team was one of the worse sport teams of the 80's.
You are so right
big difference between Jordan and Lebron, Jordan is extremely coachable. Phil Jackson said so himself.
What’s being missed is all the times they were saying that MJ was the best in the league before he had Won. The winning just solidified the position. His output didn’t really change when he got better players around him.
Magic, during the 84 Olympics when the college players played the Olympic NBA team full of all starts, and HOF players in like 8 or 9 games in July, that the college players won every game, called MJ the best NBA player today. This was before he had stepped foot on an NBA court. I tell people find me another sport or the NBA where a magic, one of the best players in that sport, called a guy coming into said sport, who has yet to step foot on the sport's field/court the best player. You can't do it.
I laugh when they say MJ was a ball hog early on. MJ had more assists in his rookie year than Larry Bird did in his rookie year. In fact, if you actually watched the games you’d see that MJ was forced to score more because if he didn’t the team wouldn’t score. I can’t tell you the countless would be dimes he dropped in his teammates hands that wound up as blown layups or bricks from perimeter.
Just watch a random game his first three seasons and you’ll see for yourself.
All these stats in an era that was harder to score in than now.
Facts mostly on twos not threes. He only attempted 2 threes a game on average.
There's a big difference between being the best player on the Dream team and playing the best on the Dream team because that is the way the team wanted to play
Fact : Phil Jackson wasn't a HOF coach in the beginning.. and early Bulls teams supporting cast was awful.. point is.. unlike LeBron, MJ stayed and built a dynasty organically.. He didn't leave "take his talent to South Beach" they all became HOF 6-0 Champs together
Yup. Phil Jackson wouldn’t be the coach he became without MJ. Why you think he won with Kobe? Same type of player. Never won without that type of player.
I will give Phil credit for being able to manage egos. That he was 100% on point with and was what the bulls needed.
Bron is not willing to be coachable . He’s a coach killer his whole career. You have to be able to listen to be coachable.
Jordan only played with one other all star in his whole career at the Bulls...
Yeah and ppl thought he was going to win against the championship Celtics team by himself as a sophomore? That’s what is funny. Bird had 4 other HOFers. Isiah had 2 to 3 Other HOFers and MJ had coke heads until Pippen and Horace came to the team.
Look my guy. He sounds like a myth but the myth was fucking REAL
Everyone always talks about him losing in the beginning, what are you talking about?? Thats part of the reason why people loved him. He started off on a terrible team, DIDN’T leave and go somewhere else to win, stayed with the bulls, worked on his game, got better and then won 6 rings. People love watching someone work their way up and not just take the easy route.
You have to remember that at the time nobody else could make Dennis Rodman work. He was not a hot commodity after he left the Pistons.
Scottie Pippen is very underrated! In today's game, he would be what Lebron claims he is. Scottie actually covered 1 through 4 and some times 5, depending on the center. Also, Phil Jackson wasn't a Hall of Fame coach at the time he was just a first-time head coach who knew how to really coach up players with good to great talent.
More then coaching, Phil knew how to corral the egos on any team. He was able to pacify guys who maybe might not like each other too much, he was able to have guys likwe that to trust each other on a court. It's why he was called the zen master.
What it didn't tell was the reason why MJ only averaged 20 points in North Carolina, and that was coach Dean Smith believed in all of his players playing team ball, so he had to reign it in a little bit but he could have averaged much more in college.
Straight up. Nevermind one of those guys he scored less than was Sam Perkins, and the other was James fucking Worthy! xD
At that pt Rodman 34 yrs old. Harper was a shell of himself after knee injury. MJ and pip made it work
I graduated HS in 86’ … there hasn’t been another player as Great , as loved and as respected as Jordan was. There was never a question. He proved it nightly! Must see TV. In a Bay Area lifelong Warriors fan. Nobody had a chance as long as MJ was in The league . His Father being murdered on the side of the road was so damn tragic & horrific for him.
Same here (1985) . We were soooooo lucky to live during that time. Saw Magic, Bird, Kareem, MJ and then Kobe and Lebron. Ill be honest, i was bored watching a modern day game and Lebron did not impress me at all.
Phil wasn’t a hall of fame coach back then.
What’s never mentioned is that Jordan consistently took the last shot of every quarter, many times a long 3. Considering he didn’t shoot many 3’s, I’d be interested to know how much that impacted his percentage.
Even if they were fudged, it wasn't enough to make him not worthy of the award.
Jordan didn't play for a hof coach he created one!
Phil wasn't an all time coach when he got there
5 seasons as assistant and a champion in his 2nd season as head. It was a perfect combination and a chicken or the egg situation deciding who affected who's career the most imo.
Phil Jackson didn't walk into Chicago the Phil you're insinuating. He made his name at Chicago as a coach
Literally lies that pippin guarded magic most of the series. It's literally free on youtube
Facts. Just watch the whole games on TH-cam and it disproved all that cap.
Phil had never been a head coach before. He developed with the Bulls. If yo boy would have accepted coaching, say in Miami. He would be more comp. And Spo a HOF Coach
Lebron never played with hall of fame caliber coaches cause he has them traded before they can even teach anything. But lebron was convinced to join Miami due to pat rileys system for the heat. So not like lebron didn’t have any good coaches
No, you are correct, Jordan didn't have the flu, but he did have food poisoning from eating a pizza that was delivered to his room.
People have to remember that Jordan got cut from the varsity as a sophomore, but he DID play junior varsity. MJ then excelled in his junior and senior years. Also, in 1986, he missed those games because he broke his foot, not because he injured his ankle.
Maybe if Lebron hadn't ring shopped the entire league he would have played for a good coach like Phil!!!
They did in a few games add more steels than they should have. But they also didn't add a few blocks, so in my bias opinion it evens out
It ain’t even close.. .. At All!! His only weakness was he was an average 3 point shooter . Do the ultimate Goat debate video ☑️
Jordan played with only 1 other All-Star on his career in Scottie Pippen. Pippen was a 6-time all-star during the Jordan years.
Back in the day wasn't like today, when you had all these great players on all these different teams, the media and the team fans would say that their star player was better than Jordan because the players were dynamic but they just didn't have that extra drive that Jordan had. 🤷🏿
Jordan was kinda Polarizing for his time, too. Tame by today standards, but I remember some folks disliking him so much, they immediately attached to every Clyde and Charles that Jordan faced in the finals.
In his early career he had drugged out teammates that he didn’t trust so the beginning of the video is not applying any context. Look up MJ leading team USA to an 8-0 record vs the NBA’s best before playing in the NBA. And about the cooking of stats. Lebron James is the supreme chef of stat padding and gets helped with the stat cooking
React to 'stats that prove Michael Jordan is the goat" you will come away knowing Jordan is undoubtedly the goat after watching it.
His steal numbers were not "FUDGED". Stop it
Great video but I disagree with the comment saying we don’t ever mention those and only say what he did good. Not true, I’ve watched countless jordan videos were that’s mentioned every time. I’m my opinion it’s blown out proportion. Mj in the 80s had no help. No all stars nothing and he was doing everything. Average like 35 points a game, playing both ends of the floor. Scoring, blocking, steals what more could he do by himself. And he still made it just wasn’t ready yet. And back then people were doing drugsvin the locker rooms. Crazy time. Just unfair saying that way, yes he lost but he was having record breaking games so shouldn’t be on jordan. And lebron struggled first few years with great players on his team.
There was a lot of cap with the Pippen talk. First off it was the triangle offense of Tex winters that open all that space on the court for MJ to operate. Second Pippen wasn’t an Allstar caliber player until his 3rd season
He came off bench his rookie season 7.9 ppg.
Pippen was good defensively but became great playing under those tough love practices with MJ. Pippen got better each year and it was his defense that got him to be an Allstar Not his 16ppg.
Horace Grant was just as important to that first threepeat team as Scottie was. So in my opinion he wasn’t over or underrated. He gets the praise he deserves. There were countless times Pippen disappeared in the playoffs. But there were games he came to play as well.
Do I believe he would be a hall of famer had he not played with MJ? No. I do not think if he played in Seattle without those MJ practices would he been what he was with the bulls.
What makes Isiah walking out without congratulating MJ when the Bulls swept them was that each time the Pistons beat the Bulls the previous years. MJ was there congratulating the Pistons and wishing them well in the playoffs.
That is why Isiah ain’t 💩 and deserves all the stuff that happened to him afterwards.
Also Magic robbed MJ as Of two MVPs. Just look it up. MJ should have won those last Magic MVPs and it wasn’t close.
Hey Coach, you ever have food poisoning? It’s a lot worse than the flu. Trust me.
Technically MJ didn't play for a hall of fame coach either, till they won. I mean keep in mind Phil Jackson was a nobody when he joined the Bulls. He was coaching in Puerto Rico before the Bulls. The difference between a HoF coach and a non-HoF coach is proving themselves.
Phil wasn't considered the best coach til after his 11th ring
So MJ played with exactly one all star. Pippen did not make the 91 All Star team, so MJ was the only all star on the 91 Bulls. Horace Grant did not become an all star until after MJ retired for baseball. Dennis Rodman, Toni Kukoc, Ron Harper did not make an all star team with the Bulls. Harper had a knee injury that had devalued him, that’s why he was available. He was an all star when he played for the Cavs and Clippers (I think). Rodman was actually past his prime and the Bulls were basically his last chance to stay in the league at all. But he was far from what he was in Detroit with the Bad Boys. Kukoc did not become an all star until after he no longer played for the Bulls. So yea, they were deep but not as stacked as it seems when you look back on those guys’ careers. In the moment they were really good but not as great as they were at other points in their careers when they weren’t playing with MJ. There’s a reason they were available to sign.
That old saying without saying" been there done that" I bet now you think LeBron James has nothing on Jordan or Kobe! Only reason I said Kobe is that LeBron is still chasing that ring to tie Kobe Bryant and still two from Jordan!
All of Jordan's numbers and accolades are legitimate. The suggestion that they are "padded" is not backed up by the actual facts.
There's an orchestrated defamation campaign by Lebron's team that wants to diminish Jordan to prop up Lebron because Lebron has done nothing on the floor to be the GOAT so he has to get his people to talk shit about Jordan in a pathetic effort to prop himself up.
The facts are that Jordan did more in less time than Lebron. Jordan is the GOAT.
Coached 100s and dont know about M.J??😢
Hey coach if mj didn’t have food poisoning,what did he have? And can you tell us which steroids lebron uses?
Never ever compare anyone to MJ.
Penny was my guy, loved the magic. I thought they were going to get the chip when they beat the bulls.
Check out The GOAT debate LeBron vs Jordan video.
I honestly didn’t think there was a basketball coach in America that hadn’t studied Jordan, you sir are a unicorn.
(10:50 mark) Dude, you're sounding goofy 😂😂😂😂 ..... everyone know Mike had "NO HELP" in the beginning!!!!!! Troll on my brother troll on.😂😂
I stopped following the NBA when MJ retired because I knew no one could be better.
Kareem won 6 MVP awards in 8 years. Most people don't know that. He was the best player in the league for 10 years. Media did not hype him. He was not good for the league making money. Magic and Larry come along. The money flows
for me pip is underrated ... he is the sidekick, and most of sidekicks were underrated😅 ... i would compare pip with giannis in a way, but with a much better shooting ... and like giannis, pip aint a LEADER! but thats fine bcoz he know whos team hes playing .. thats were the brotherly respect comes in with that duo! one of the best duo in basketball history ... pip accepted his role as MJ's robin😅 he'll always gonna be "the sidekick", BUT he'll also be immortalized in basketball history books as "THE GOAT'S PARTNER" ... aint a bad thing for a sidekick, right? ... pip is very underrated! he does everything to support MJ either by defending the best wing of the opp team or helping with the scoring or rebounding, he can also pass and to top it all off, MJ INFECTED HIM WITH HIS PSYCHOTIC BASKETBALL TYPE SH*T😅😂😂 lmfao
Bro, I'm curious how long have you been watching NBA basketball?
You mean it’s easy now to score, you breathe on somebody it’s a foul. Jordan would avg 50 today with all the free throws.
I graduated HS in 86’ … there hasn’t been another player as Great , as loved and as respected as Jordan was. There was never a question. He proved it nightly! Must see TV. In a Bay Area lifelong Warriors fan. Nobody had a chance as long as MJ was in The league . His Father being murdered on the side of the road was so damn tragic & horrific for him. Murdered while changing a tire on side of the road .
28 pts rookie year
That's why he is the goat from losing to winning not winning and losing and creating super team and losing again.
Lebron James, sorry, LeGM did not want to play for a hall of fame coach.😒 Stop it. He just got JJ Reddick hired to the most storied franchise in all the NBA from a f***ng podcast🤫. That excuse is hog wash, and we know why he purposely avoided that level of accountability like the plague, then sends his minions to try and convince us otherwise😂. He would be forced to play more off the ball and reduce his ability to accumulate selfish assists, sagging off rebounds and garbage time points. He'd be held accountable for his blatant lack of defensive effort. And he couldn’t get away with forcing his teams to be so one dimensional. LBJ prioritizes person stats over winning.🤔 Which hall of fame coach is going to put up with that?
Scotty has a strong case for being better than LeBron
Why would they add steals to MJ's stats?
Clyde was thought at least in the 1991-92 to be Jordan Equal.
MJ is that dude!!! Nobody will ever come close.
Spo is a gonna be a HoF coach, so Bron had a great coach.
Bron never bought in to anything that his coaches were trying to do. Jordan didn't like the triangle at first, but he bought in and allowed himself to be coached
He was the best guard ever when it comes to defense why you think he was stealing everything!!!!!! He is the G.O.A.T ❤❤❤❤
Michael was a ball hog in the earlier years… when his teammates had trouble hitting open layups and shots. If he couldn’t trust you then he didn’t.
Ie him being a ball hog was the optimal decision.
Fun fact the only reason Pip was on magic was cause MJ was in early foul trouble. MJ was the primary defender on Magic the rest of that series
Add endurance training to the regiment. The aim should be regulation time and two OTs of activity.
Well that’s the conditioning
Ain’t nobody say mj ain’t lose. In fact him losing early in his career and the way he lost is why the 6 and 0 is so iconic. If he had won from the beginning and never lost and got 13 titles tho that would show dominance I doubt people would have found as entertaining. It would have been seen as unfair. Like one punch man having end of show strength in the beginning. It would become parody and a gag.
LeBron is NOT the most complete basketball ever lmao. To have that title you have to give the effort on defense as you do on offense and you cant have a bunch of weaknesses in your game.
Only 1 man can check all those boxes, the GOAT Michael Jeffrey Jordan!
I'm so sick of hearing about Leflop being so great! He's way overrated!! Kobe was better than Leflop/Lequit! Jordan, Bird, and Magic are top 3 all time! Nobody will ever change my mind!
Bron didn’t play for an all time coach because he refused to actually build with a team and let a coach actually coach. He leaves when things get tough and gets every coach fired. Oh and Hakeem is definitely the goat defender if it number 2. But I can’t have pippen that high. Definitely top 10 and for sure the best perimeter defender ever. but pippen wasn’t as overall impactful as Duncan, Robinson,KG, or bill Russell as defender. I’d say he’s next up after those guys tho.
@coachwiz which year was Phil a hof coach when he coached mj?becuz in order for a coach to become a hof coach they would need to WIN a few chips,now how many chips did Phil win as a coach b4 he became the bulls head coach?……the answer is NONE,mj gave Phil his 1st 6 rings,mj MADE Phil into a hof coach,dnt get shit twisted “coach”smh lebron job is to MAKE his coach a hof and his team the Cavs into a dynasty….smh and you a basketball coach and saying some dumb shit like that smh 🤦🏾♂️
He was so good, he's the GOAT!
Great commentary! I mean, where's the commentary?
When you see the right video, you’ll discover it was actually food poisoning after eating a pizza in Salt Lake City. I watched that game (as millions did) and he was sicker than a dog. There was no load management, no I don’t want to play back to back games, limited minutes. The players played for the love of the game. He played because he wanted to win. If you want to grow your channel, please stop the conspiracy theories. Facts are facts.
These dudes thinking they smart with hindsight wait in 10 yrs when all the little kids today grow up and all they remember is old man lebron struggling and wondering why they called a lazy old man the Goat.
That ended quickly for you 😂😂😂
He was actually good...lol...He's the GOAT and its not even a debate! The truth is... is that if MJ didn't leave for a year and half to play baseball, he would have won 8 straight championships and 12 straight scoring titles. He was the fiercest most determined athlete in any sport I have ever seen. No one could beat he him because he would not let them.
Kobe was the truth, and I really enjoyed watching him play when MJ retired the second time. In my eyes to this day, I still don't understand why the media keeps pushing this fake debate between Lebron and Jordan when it's Kobe that should clearly be in that conversation instead.
Kobe doesn't belong in that conversation either. Although Kobe is definitely above Lebron. Kobe fans always seem to forget that Kobe was a quitter just like Lebron. The Phoenix series in 2006, where Kobe quit on the Lakers to "prove a point" is rarely brought up. Plus, Kobe was not a good shooter, as shown by the fact he has the most missed shots in NBA history. Lebron is definitely NOT a top 5 or even top 10 player in NBA history, but neither is Kobe.
Phil was a Hall of fame coach because of Jordan
No one denies or ignores his early losing and some of his early weaknesses. But if you’re having a 🐐 debate and your Player A and I’m player B neither dude ever runs down the negatives. LeBron fans don’t start “well he’s choked some series and he’s not a good free throw shooter etc” 😂. Everyone just lists what makes their guy the greatest. And when the negatives are brought up they try and contextualise it.
LeBron didn’t want to play for an all-time great coach because he wanted to be the coach and GM
Imagine if Jordan would have had the luxury of playing with an average big man. The bulls would have been even better.Scottie was his only all star
He had almost 0 talent around him until they got Pippen/Grant. No matter how incredible he was, basketball is still a team sport. You have a lot more videos to watch. He only ever had ONE other All-Star to play with in his career - Pippen, while LBJ picked many teams with All-Stars like Dwayne Wade and Chris Bosch for an example. MJ played with who he was teamed with by management. You didn’t “hear”!that his steals or other stats were padded. Conspiracy theorists and haters post that shit online. He still holds the scoring record after all these years and the 3-point shot wasn’t almost all the fricking offense like it is now. You’ll hear him say (at the time) that he didn’t want to focus on 3’s because the percentage made is lower, etc. No human is perfect but he had ZERO weaknesses and is still the best 2-way player ever. Barkley is 6’5” and one of the top 50 players when the list was created, still was when it was expanded to top 75. You’re missing so much. I suggest you try other channels like “The Real Mind Crime” and “Uncut Hoops” to name just two. Once you’ve objective, you’ll figure it out.
What you mean we always bring up him losing to Bird and Early in his career, it’s what made Mike into Air Jordan. That’s where the Legend really begins. Nobody is denying or saying LeBum isn’t the best player in the league but he ain’t even close to being considered the GOAT. He’s just not. He’s barely top 5.
Once Kareem retired our run was over. Kareem was the best player on the team 3 of Magics 5 rings. League MVP Magics first ring. Finals MVP Magics third ring.
What a fake ass reaction. Be real.
"Rebound like Shaq" is not that great a compliment. For his size he underachieved on the boards.
Lol.... first off.. bron played for a HOF coach... second MJ was on that dream team so how was Barkley the best... third ppl do talk about Jordan was losing because of the BUMS he was playing with
Barkley was the best bc any person on the team coulda dominated if they so chose, but they mostly sat back, fed Barkley and watched him eat.
@cobyskrilla119 mj was on the team. So how the hell was Barkley the best player? Now if you said Barkley ( was playing the best) that's different. But to say he was the best PLAYER on the team definitely not true
@@phenomfacemob1011 Re-read what I said. The Dream Team was so dominant that any player on it could have gone out there and dropped 50 a game. The players on the team, or the coach, or someone CHOSE to feed Barkley. They gave him every opportunity they could. He averaged something like 30+ points a game. Was Mike the best player on the court? Of course, by a landslide, but statistically Barkley was the best player on the dream team. Just look up the stats. If you watch some highlights you can see them sometimes forcing the ball toe Chuck so he can work. And the entire team was so far ahead of any of there opposition, you'll see a lot of them playing in 2nd gear most of the game and still dropping 20+.
They did that for all player back then just like they do for Lebron with his rebounds and assists, bro.
Scottie be underrated. Other than the 3 pt. shot...which he wasn't bad at...He'd make Draymond a f'ing chump.
Charles ain't never been a better player then Mike, and Mike showed him
Jordan made it possible for Phil Jackson to become a HOF'er.... something LeBron isn't capable of doing.... for any of his coaches....
Steph bulked up when necessary just like Mike did!!! He copies him more than u think ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️💫☑️
18:05 who was Phil Jackson prior to Bulls? He is not a hall of fame. He became hall of fame due to Jordan and Bryant. LeBron had David Blatt in Cavs. That coach was a champion many times in Europe and had better resume than Jackson prior to Bulls.
The difference is whether they are coachable. If you're going to notice the style of play Jordan and Lebron have, one has always the ball, and one was moving without the basketball to get his points.
Food poisoning with a fever
coach wiz. if you were to play mj at 50+ years old, how would you do against him? up to 21, winners take out.
There was a bunch of Jordan hate while he was dominating. Yes there were players that did somethings better, but no one did it like MJ or looked that smooth while doing it.
They make up new statistics for Lebron to be 1st in. xD
Phil Jackson wasn't legendary till Jordan.. just saying
Wilt, MJ, Bird. Top 3.
4.3 forty. 48" vertical. Only player in that is Wilt . Same vertical. 4.4 forty