My friend who is pakeha has a full face moko. The Maori elders approached him and asked if he would accept a moko for all the work he does in the community. It took a few months of meetings with the elders and the tattoo guy. He had to tell them his history so they can design his story into a moko. Strange thing is alot of Maori hate on him because they have not been blessed by the elders for their Mokos
@@CocoLico-fh5pyTHEY CANT DO THAT MOKO FOR CHIEFS , THOSE DUNB MAORI DONT KNOW CANT JUST BE , DOING WHAT EVER , MUST BE BLOODLINE ,AND FORT IN BATTLE TO MANY PEOPLE'S GETTING NATIVE TATTOO DONT KNOW HISTORY , OR WHO THEY CONNECTED TOO , And reason .
Moko for chief ,he ain't bloodline alot Maori don't know it reason plus can't have it got know knowledge of history not about where you from it past down information to be chief ,
It's always a tough one, after my mum died (mum was maori) my siblings and I all got tattoos to honour her and our culture. Only my sister and I have maori blood (italian father), my 3 older half brothers don't (ethnically they pretty much pure blood italian), but they had a really strong connection and love for our mum. so much so that when we went to the tohunga ta moko the guy and his wife broke into tears and embraced us when we spoke about it (this only few days after we laid mum to rest, things were still very raw). My brothers didnt get moko though, they got kirituhi. Though my older brother Jim said he once had some young sjw say to him once that it was cultural appropriation, fortunately he has no issues with telling morons to take a hike. My sister got her moko a few months after mum died, she's been active in the maori community where she lives for decades (my sister moved to NZ in 1993, from Aust originally) and works a lot with kids (shes a social worker). The way my brother in law (who is 100% maori) explained it to me was that in our family after mum died my sister is essentially became the matriarch (he used a maori word but I don't remember what it was), the moko represents her role as a leader. I can understand why a non maori shouldn't have them, theyre not there for giggles or vanity, they're a mark of honour and gift passed down from our ancestors.
I am of the whakatohea tribe you feel wairua there is no stopping it you will be drawn by wairua no matter what my grate grate gate grandmother was a very beautiful English lady I wear kanohi ta moko for my tupuna all my tupuna go hard maodalian
You can be a white man living in a village of maori for years they grow on you they are your family in time you become them you are a put of them before you no it you are wearing line of ta moko and there you have it white man with ta moko so go hard maodalian
As someone born seeing I can tell you that I have seen Moko Kowai on wahine who have no tattoos on their face. I wish I could describe it because the ink tattoo does not do justice to the colors and patterns I have seen only to realise it is made manifest only by wairua. I have only ever once told the person what I saw and she smiled and cried and told me she had been thinking about if she needed to get one. After our Korero I explained if she wanted one or not didn't matter because it was already there and so it exists. What I can say is that many people carry moko that cannot be seen by the physical eyes. I cannot say if this is why my ancestors began to mark faces but it might explain why they may have decided to do it. I wonder if it is something that one brings with them from the spirit world to this.
I'm white af but my mums side of the family is Ngai Tuhoe. My Poppa blessed my greenstone for me and I cherish it and the maori history of the family he taught us and passed down. Little nevous to get a ta moko on my arm because I'm white and don't look maori when I kinda am. It's something I really want since my poppa died of cancer to carry on his part of the family and something I'm proud of. Just worried I'll get hassled or looked at weird for not looking Maori.
My mums tribe is also Ngai Tūhoe. What Hapu are you from? :) Anyway, you're entirely entitled to do what you want to. Of course there will be a few complaints but as long as you remain confident and keep pride in who you are, then you shouldn't need to pay attention to them.
Kia Ora! Quick question Although there seemed to be both sides on weather non Māori should get moko, am I correct to understand that kirituhi is a separate thing and generally speaking that would be acceptable? Just a genuine question from a non Māori who loves and would like to learn more about Māori culture! Cheers!
Yup. Tā moko is a traditional Māori tattoo that usually has the intent to convey a message that leads back to their heritage and is strictly reserved for Māori and has to be done by a Māori. If it was done for anybody that was outside of the Māori culture then it would be a kirituhi (drawn on skin) and it’s more of the appreciation for the culture if anything. Two very seperate things and I think not enough Māori people know about kirituhis so a lot of Māori people will hassle non Māoris about having one.
I can’t tell anyone else what to do but I am not Māori and I wouldn’t think of it. The Māori traditions and culture are so beautiful but They are not my to take part it. I can appreciate their beauty and rich traditions while still being respectful.
No Tuhoe ahau, no te wharuarua O Ruatoki. Some of my tipuna had their moko done, I wear mine on my heart and speak it through my reo that's been passed down .
Passed down?? Dose that mean Sharing too?? Tohatoha to others that see,hear nd witnessed the atrocities by the filthy few colonialism that's happened to them??
Te Rarawa Te Aupouri on my Mums side... Te Arawa on my Dads side... I'd personally be stoked to see others from different cultures embracing our art and getting Ta Moko... I reckon it would be cool.
Pākehā with no ink here, so take my opinion as you like lol. As I understand it, the moko is meant to tell your story all the way back to your ancestors and it is chosen and designed for you by others. As long as you honour and respect that tradition then fair enough, though it’s a bit easier if you have at least a little Māori in you. I like what the guy said about leaving it off your face if you’re just going for aesthetics, that seems the fairest way to go
I’ll be honest I am a samoan and I want to say that I think it’s DISRESPECTFUL to our Māori family to get that if you are not of Māori decent, that goes for whatever reason. Just like if a Asian wants to get a pe’a, just because you think it’s cool is not good enough, this is all about respecting your ancestors and what they have been able to gift to their rightful people ❤️❤️
But for example let’s say a guy comes to aotearoa and marries a maōri girl and is accepted in the family you know he lives there for years and learns the language/culture, is it then okay or would you say it’s still disrespectful? Genuine question would love to hear you thoughts.
Just because you're Maori doesn't mean it's ok to get it either. Ta Moko is only supposed to be worn by high ranking Maori. Half these Maori getting it may have come from slave families.
This is extremely simplified. Imagine you get tattoos of a regiment or a military unit that you’re not affiliated with! This is almost the same but much deeper.
Maori of old earned their moko by way of winning battles against other tribes not just to show what tipuna/ropu they whakapapa to... earning it through a demonstration of competency such as passing SAS selection is as deep as ones whakapapa...
@TroyHutchinson-qq5ig yeah some of the design was earnt but some was not it was a birth right really as soon as puberty hit 13 14 ish you'd start getting it but obviously takes a few years to finish so you would earn or learn then bits would be added on
I respect EVERY culture and I'm very much in favour of keeping traditions alive. I'm German but I have a half sleeve on my right forearm in the style of Maori tattoos but incorporating symbols from cultures all over the world. I love the art (to me Polinesian styles are the most beautiful in the tattoo world), but I want to express my desire to be multi-culti, respecting ALL cultures and traditions. 🙏🏼😎
It's a language in stylised form using the language of Ranginui and Papatuanuku their children down to us. It's totally whakapapa that cannot be changed.
I understand your perspective, @@kamauwikeepa7308, but it's essential to recognize that languages continually evolve. If you were to travel to medieval England, you would likely struggle to comprehend the language spoken by the people at that time due to the influence of migration and diverse cultures throughout history. The same holds true for the language of Polynesian tattoos, which has also experienced changes over time. There are now interesting contemporary variations available. Let me clarify that I firmly believe that everyone has the right to choose what they like, as long as it does not harm others. So, if someone prefers to stick with traditional Polynesian tattoos, that's perfectly acceptable. I wholeheartedly support respecting one's cultural traditions. Nevertheless, change is an inevitable part of life. "Change is the only constant in life." ~ Heraclitus
@@JensGraikowskiI think that when you wear something like polynesian or maori specific tattoos it becomes just a drawing which is okay but if it was on us it would be our whakapapa (geneaology) or pepeha (connection to the land and our ancestors) telling a story or being an identifier to other tribes.
I agree ta moko is for Māori alone. Consider this though - I am pakeha and can trace my ancestry in New Zealand back to the mid 1800s. My adoptive son is Māori (Ngāti Porou) and Tongan. How do I as a pakeha with a very average knowledge of Te ao Māori bring him up with the knowledge and appreciation of his Māori heritage?
Sou brasileiro e indígena, e assim como os maori também temos nossas tattoos com significado e história.e eu entendo vcs eu não tenho a minha tattoo , mas eu vou fazer logo logo
Yes our markings should be respected spiritually and physically no matter the blood. But alot of people from different areas would disagree as different tribes have different rules
i absolutely love culture tattoos and have Polynesian tribal on my arms and legs but these are thing the artist put together that didnt mean anything to me only looks cool. So i decided i needed one that was actually meaningful to me so i went to Hawaii and had an interview with Keone Nunes ( traditional hawaiian tap tattoo artist) and he blessed me with agreeing and tattooing me with a one of a kind personal tattoo that actually has meaning..greatest experience i have ever had
I'm not of Polynesian decent, Maori or otherwise, but I do have a cousin that is Native Hawaiian & it's because of his tattoos I fell in love with the Polynesian styles of tattooing. Personally I would love to get something not because I want to appropriate but because I absolutely APPRECIATE the culture, history, people, art & legacy. Much love
I hesitate a lot over getting moko. My grandmother was Maori, but died way before I was born and never talked about her heritage to my dad. I've not been able to trace her line past her with confidence, and even though my mom swears she was, it's a hesitancy out of respect. One day I'd love to come to Aotearoa just for the sake of her memory. But I still am unsure about gett moko myself.
Why is so popular now ? why is it that Maori feel the need to wear moko all of a sudden ? When I took Maori I was taught that getting a moko was a serious right of passage , you just didn't go out and get one ! it had to be bestowed on you by your tribes Komatua after a long meeting with other elders .🤔
in my iwi back in the day every woman/girl who had gone through their first menstrual cycle received theirs shortly after the fact, tikanga around tāmoko is different depending on iwi, hapu and whanau. What you said is not Kawa, it was unpopular at a point in time because of the racism our people would receive if they were seen with tāmoko
@@tyrahhaami8404 Today's generation of Maori now who have in most cases even less Maori blood in them than they did a generation ago seem to think right now in this particular decade is the best time to get one ? Why are white people getting them ? To take the piss or do they really think that their 1/8 th or 16th is enough ?
As a first nation person from Mexico. The tattos on our faces are thousands and thousands of years old . Not just a Maori thing. AZTECS in Mexico , Incas in Peru . Our African brothers and Egyptians. The Ink on body and face is not exclusive. And our ancestors never said it was just for our people. As long as you are aware of what they represent and are connected to that tribe . There shouldn't be anyone policing this art and meaning. If you don't respect it , then I can see where a problem might be. blessing to all our brothers and sisters from all our First Nations across the world 🌎
if anyone can answer this i would really like amazingly appreciate this. I’m NZ European but my great great grandmother was full māori, I was thinking about getting ta moko somewhere for that sake of māori in my blood but im so terrified of getting hate for being mostly pākeha with moko (i have blue eyes and brown hair with white skin) but my main question is am i allowed or able to get ta moko even if im not full māori?
I think it depends on why you get it, and your reason is good. for example i was basically adopted into a tongan family and they want me to go to tonga to get a traditional tap done. I have zero tongan blood but if my family tells me they eant me to then ima do it. Id do the same if they were maori
Funny that none of these people actually cary on the ancient tradation as it was practiced traditionally. And how nearly all have "mixed ancestry" yet choose not to recognise anything other than one particular lineage. Very interesting stuff.
What you say about ta moko not being practiced traditionally is something you should talk to a te ao maori artist about, if your really that interested. I know I am. The reason we recognize one particular lineage more than the other is because of multiple reasons imo. I will tell you this one. Maori culture at its root is strong, and it's especially strong when you are born in the place where it developed - New Zealand. It's all around us. It's what we grew up with. We can't hide from it, and most of us don't want to. Someone with common sense should be able to figure that out.
Some actually do choose to go the traditional way, each to there own!! As for your “mixed ancestry” all Māori speak and write English. Most, MOST live a westerner thought process whilst incorporating Māori tikanga. You need to remember this generation is still re learning a lot of tikanga that was beaten out and suppressed back in the 20th century. They are not choosing to only recognise there Māori ancestry, they are relearning it. There’s a difference!!!
Its a hard one i have read few old books on Mataora and Ta moko tha have mentioned a couple settlers being fully accepted into Ao Maori and being allowed to wear our Taonga but times have changed so unless a Pakeha did something drastically for Maori the only thing they can wear are kiri tuhi
Quick question. My mother is Māori, her entire family have originated from New Zealand and she grew up there. When she was in her 20s she traveled to Scotland and met my dad. They have lived here for many years now and I was born here. Am I Māori or did I have to be born in New Zealand like her?
its not about where you are born its the blood that runs through your veins, if your mother is Māori then you indeed are also Māori. My father was Māori and married my mother who migrated from the UK although i was born and breed in NZ its essentially the same thing as yourself. if you can find out more about your mothers iwi and your mothers family tree you could be surprised at what you can learn about where you come.
@@mattgage4418 I'm 17 right now and planning to move over there for a few years after I finish my degree. I would love to get the Tā Moko on me to represent my family's Māori history, but I'm doubtful as to whether they would allow it as I was born and raised in the UK
@pettystrangersofficial you summed up it perfectly yourself bro, ta moko is meant to represent exactly that, not where you are born. If you decide to move there take the time to sit down with a ta moko artist and share with them your mother's maori heritage that will give you the best peice of mind they are some of the most beautiful people you will meet during your time here also.
@@mattgage4418 Thank you, I can't wait to go! It will be an amazing experience 🙌 my mum just came back from a visit to her home town in NZ where she hasn't been in over 10 years, to spread my granny's ashes as she passed away at the beginning of the year. She brought back the most beautiful Pounamu as a gift from her mum. My grandad gifted me one when I was born and I never take it off!! I love NZ and I am glad I will be accepted even if I wasn't born and raised 🙏 thank you for your kind words ♥️
Im from the Philippines and I carry your culture and tradition mark on my body,I tried to incorporate myself and our culture to polynesian culture thru our own tribal communities here and of course our very own Apo Wang od,the only thing that I can promise is the respect and pride I could give to your designs and culture as i've already wearing it.
That's gonna be different because you are Austronesian, and have similar cultural tattoos. Our ancestors were basically filos and native taiwanese that mixed with melanesians. So it's easier for people to accept when Filos get poly tattoos.
Whanau getting too precious. Complain that pakeha don’t accept our culture but when they do and want to wear our moko it’s not good enough. I agree anyone can get Ta Moko aslong as they wear it with pride and don’t get it just to show off like a lot of the whanau over in Aussie
100! I’d LOVE to have one but I wouldn’t get it until I understood the culture more (I’m from South Africa) but I think withholding certain people from experiencing these moments does more harm than good.
Pakeha cannot wear Moko kauae not only because 1) He Taonga tiki iho mai I o tātou Tupuna, mai I O tātou Tipua, mai I Ō tatou Ātua mo Māori nioho ke. but not only that 2) when you think about the fact that the Tohunga Suppresion Act was lifter only 61 years ago. With alot of our Tikanga and Kawa almost erased from history forever. It puts you in a situation where no matter how much you love your pakeha friend. Our Tupuna faced and died violently to the Pakeha. But if they relate and have whakapapa Māori, of course they can get a Moko. Our Māori whanau in Australia get unnecessaryly shit on. They are still Māori and it's not their fault they had to go elsewhere to put Kai on the table and a roof over their heads. That will never take away the Fact they are Māori through and through. But if you do not have whakapapa Māori whatsoever, you CANNOT GET A TĀ MOKO. It will make them sick and in worse cases if they are not safe. They could have seriously fatal consequences. So not only out of the respect of our culture but also the wellbeing of Pakeha. Do not get a Tā Moko if you only have pakeha and no Māori Ancestory and Whakapapa.
I don't understand why anyone would want a tribal or cultural tattoo if they're not of that culture. Yeah sure, someone can admire and embrace it, but at the end of the day, they're not of that culture. There are certain lines you don't cross, otherwise it's vulgar appropriation. Not genuine. I can understand why some would find it offensive.
Honsetly I fell like its an amazing way to spread our culture.In my opinion Culture should be spread throughtout the world for everyone to embrace and to have people throughout the world identify with our culture and spread its values would be amazing. Our culture has been supressed for too long and for it to get global recongnition through our mokos would be amazing. No one man or woman has the right to gatekeep our culture and any culture for that fact. If you can identify with the values and belifes of our culture then I hope you can wear it with pride and that it may bring mana to your life. We should show love to those people that embrace our culutre and if you think that others carrying our mokos diminishes your own then maybe your not weraing it for the right reasons. As a people we should all feel welcome to all the culutres of the world if we can identify with their values. As maori we should embrace those who wish to embrace our culture otherwise we risk to be forever gatekeepers to the cultulre we love.
Funnily enough , that Celtic art work is dated before maori , and is the original source for a lot of the designs recognized as Maori today . The koru being a good example.
As a māori myself in a interracial relationship with a pākeha I think as long as they are aware of the tikanga and the whakaro behind said moko we should support them for wanting to feel included in our culture.
Im not Maori Im from the Caribbean but i just got a whole sleeve of Maori and i want to do a whole full body suit of Maori. I very much respect the culture and the art that is why i like the tattoo.
And honestly, liking the culture and artwork is a good enough reason. Anyone who tries to shove their "cultural appropriation" views in your face can go kick rocks.
The most powerful tool that connects us to our maori roots is tikanga, manaakitanga to guide us. He Mataora puhoro and such i understand is a no no for non-maori, but moko is ka pai as long as they know who its for, what it means, where they got it, and why they wear it, into it let them represent.
my thoughts, is we live in a world of share and understand. the pakeha have gifts to share, likewise with the maori have gifts to share. our maori people walk in the life style of pakeha everyday. moko should be shared to the ones who hold the mana of the un seen mana. that mana could be in the hands of your Neighbour and you dont even realize it. we are all special and unique and all have gifts to share.
You can go to Bali and get anything put anywhere. I have had people follow me and try photograph my Ta Moko so they could copy it. You can go into places and get SBW work done exactly the same they don't care it's all money to them.
We don’t own anything or anyone……..but if you do you must wear moko with dignity and honour. You must give it the grace it deserves. It’s like being born again for Christian’s but this is how we roll. Ngamihi everyone. Peac and love. Plus more Māoris in the Gold Coast have moko then the ones in Aotearoa….go figure lol
Since their culture was almost eliminated. This is theirs. Its not hair, its not a fashion. Its a rite of passage. Like the one said, if you adopt their life their ways and respect the culture. Then the mark is yours as well, a gift. But to just get it to have and wear like fashion is not right. To me at least.
I once had a conversation with some elderly maori women. The conversation was about the traditional tattoo that maori women have on their lower lip and chin. They heavily critised the fact that so many younger maori women are getting that tattoo nowdays. They say it has clearly become a trend. So much to your "its not a fashion. Its a rite of passage". In this case even maoris are not respecting their own culture.
Yes, i might have been brought up with a tv and shop across the road, and into sdown squarks in physics, but I my culture still remains Māori inside and out
Kia Ora Koutou 👋 I'm French and I've lived in NZ for almost 18 years now. I've got multiple Tā Moko on my body (chest, back, sleeve). I LOVE the Maori culture, and I'm proud to "represent" it by wearing it on my skin. I'm currently in the process of learning Te Reo Maori, via Te Wananga o Aotearoa. I love the old ways of the Maori culture and what they stood for (respect your elders, respect wahine and Tamariki). Unfortunately, I feel that these values have been lost overtime. I understand people who believe that Tā moko should be reserved to Maori only, but I also think that it is a shame, because this way of thinking, in my opinion, prevents the culture from thriving and becoming mainstream and accepted the way it should be ❤️ Just my 2 cents Ngā mihi nui
There are a lot of misinformed comments here.Many people today wearing Moko have not followed tradition and would not be allowed them.There were also Pakeha that were given the honor of wearing them as they became part of tribes.Barnet Burns is one of the most famous.
@oriwhia Look its like the Matatini festival in Auckland they would have exhausted all the possible benefits to get there and back. Very Naughty indeed
Of course you can, but its about respect for other peoples wishes and culture. For instance you can totally go to japan and be a loud mouthed annoying foreigner. But then that is what you are. Someone who doesnt respect the land youre visiting and their culture.
I am not indiginous,but a strong ally,i would say. My opinion on this is,if you love the people and respect them,you would accept that some parts of their culture,just are'nt for you. You would love it for them,but accept that,with a few things you can just watch and appreciate and not have for your own. A lot of the times,in my view at least,people are Apropriating and not apreciating...🤷🏻♀️ 🍀👋
Well at the end of the day a person's body is really theirs, if they want to wear tattoos it's essentially their choice to do so or not too, there's no Laws in NZ against people having tattoos or body piercings, it's not a criminal activity or crime or breaking any Laws. And yes I do get/understand the cultural thing too, but in a way it's really quite sad too that many Maori are quite anti and object to non Maori wanting to wear Maori styled tattoos (even say on their arms), well the only people they're really alienating against is the very tiny minority of Pakehas (Europeans) whom love Maori culture and values, it alienates their Pakeha allies, it really doesn't effect anyone else, you'll never ever see Pakehas like Don Brash wanting to wear a Moko or a Tiki, or any Asians, Indians, or a majority of Europeans for that matter, this will probably soon start to extend to the objecting of non Maori wearing Tikis or Greenstone ornaments too, and thank goodness this doesn't go the other way round with Europeans like Don Brash accusing Maori of cultural appropriation and objecting to their using such things as electricity and automobiles, but you never know.
I dont see the problem! It's a tattoo until we ask where are you from? Who are your people? Who do you hail back to? Who did your tattoo? If they can answer then they were graced with the traditions and culture that support it! That is all! If manuhiri arrive at the gates of the marae, will you turn them away because the colour of their skin warrants their tipuna adorned on their person? Then who are we to judge before the paepae? 😔
my great grand mother fom my fathers side was maori.. the rest is straight british... i grew up in Outautahi... did kapa haka in primary school.. and just resonate more with maori culture.. im heavily tattooed and would love some maori moko... like im a kiwi through and through.. but im also white as fuck.. i resonate with the land, like its my home
As someone with only mostly Celtic ancestry, I would think it inappropriate for me to have Moko. I recognise moko as belonging to Maori culture. And as commented it seems you must be deserving of certain designs/symbols. Symbols, like sacred geometry, are very powerful and should be respected in their use.
Moko kaue shudb for Maori identity is paramount Te Reo Maori is another both claim who you are your journey through life Think of others rather than yourself 🙏
@@livfenty07 the key part here being, YOUR OWN BODY. I have no right to tell people that they can't put ink under their own skin in a certain way. I'm not saying you can change your ethnic background, i'm saying that if you can chop off your knob and call yourself a chick. You can put ink under your skin. I don't care what other people do with their body.
I love the art but as a white American . I feel like I could respect the culture in other ways. But I will admit. If I had the opportunity to get just a small one on my arm somewhere I probably would mostly out of reverence. That being said I started studying the culture for a while now and I really appreciate and what the marks mean .
Im one 1/32 Maori. I can get monetary compensation from the colonisers. And I'm them/they. I am considering getting the Maori wahine black lips/chin tattoo. I hope the haters aren't too loud. Peace love and empathy
I sat across from a white ozzy guy with a bullsh*t moko on a train in Perth when I was in my 20s... I was staring at him trying to read his whakapapa to realize it was just swirls made to look like a Moko... he got uncomfortable with me staring at him and got up and moved
It's changed,in the Old day's,you had to go through,and accomplish task's,which proved you were entitled to have a moko, Just like everything else,be a doctor,teacher,nurse,boss, Now,seems anyone can, good or bad, don't care, I'll never get inked, plenty of my whanau have,matter of yeah or nah
People forget we are stuck on one planet shame on gate keeping I agree it’s there culture not saving to get ur face tatted but seems crazy to be in the position where art belongs to only ur small island how we still haven’t figured out the fact we are all human an we share ancestors regardless of the last 1000+ years
There were pākehā that were granted moko in the 1800s. Look up pākehā māori. There are a number of books out there on that subject. It's considered appropriation these days, probably rightly so as māori culture has become the minority and not the norm.
Me personally no I’m Irish all 7 of my kids are to a Māori man I personally wouldn’t as it’s not my whakapapa I’m all for my kids getting there’s one day
If u have kiwi blood ur rightfull to a moko....its like black people who see braids or dreads on white people as a disrespect when infact they were created by white people in Scandinavia also known as vikings who also wore there own Style of moko tatts....things go much deeper than the colour of ur skin
I’m all for the Kiwis keeping culture. I was under the impression the marks are. A picture graph representing something “heroic” or the passing of ya mum and dah. Sure get a toughness sticker. Remember I’m only 50 and I recall an anchor tattoo being bitten off in a fishing pub in Australia. Kiwis Great grandparents invited everyone over to dinner and ate people. Piss a genetically evolved boat rower off and see if hunting whales affects DNA.
Really stupid to say its exclusive to them only, if someone wants it, respects it, deserves it he should get it. Doesnt matter what he does or where he comes from
The way you have written your post isn’t clear. In the first instance You claim to be Pākehā … let’s unpack that a bit. To be Pākehā means you gave zero Māori Whakapapa in the form of genetic ancestors who were Māori. If this is the case - then you are a Pākehā. But then … you state that in your whakapapa you DO have a Māori genetic ancestry connection. If this is true that you have a direct connection to a Māori ancestor THEN you have the right to claim your Māori Identity - meaning you can confidently say you are Māori. Why? Because being Māori isn’t limited to blood quantum. That’s a colonised way of thinking projected upon Māori by non-Māori racism institutionalised in our society by colonisation. The curious part of your post is when you say “Me personally I am Pākehā…” I would ask … why do you say this? Do you have a direct Māori ancestor or not? The answer is either a) Yes or b) No. If yes - then you are Māori. If no - then you are not. It’s that simple.
My friend who is pakeha has a full face moko. The Maori elders approached him and asked if he would accept a moko for all the work he does in the community. It took a few months of meetings with the elders and the tattoo guy. He had to tell them his history so they can design his story into a moko. Strange thing is alot of Maori hate on him because they have not been blessed by the elders for their Mokos
Who cares wat those haters think.wat an honor your friend must have mana!!
@@CocoLico-fh5pyTHEY CANT DO THAT MOKO FOR CHIEFS , THOSE DUNB MAORI DONT KNOW CANT JUST BE , DOING WHAT EVER , MUST BE BLOODLINE ,AND FORT IN BATTLE TO MANY PEOPLE'S GETTING NATIVE TATTOO DONT KNOW HISTORY , OR WHO THEY CONNECTED TOO ,
And reason .
Moko for chief ,he ain't bloodline alot Maori don't know it reason plus can't have it got know knowledge of history not about where you from it past down information to be chief ,
Blessed by the elders 😂 they just old people claiming a stake of land that's not there's
@@Philly-lq6zrwrong thats not how it works plus sounds like abit of a fishing story
It's always a tough one, after my mum died (mum was maori) my siblings and I all got tattoos to honour her and our culture. Only my sister and I have maori blood (italian father), my 3 older half brothers don't (ethnically they pretty much pure blood italian), but they had a really strong connection and love for our mum. so much so that when we went to the tohunga ta moko the guy and his wife broke into tears and embraced us when we spoke about it (this only few days after we laid mum to rest, things were still very raw). My brothers didnt get moko though, they got kirituhi. Though my older brother Jim said he once had some young sjw say to him once that it was cultural appropriation, fortunately he has no issues with telling morons to take a hike.
My sister got her moko a few months after mum died, she's been active in the maori community where she lives for decades (my sister moved to NZ in 1993, from Aust originally) and works a lot with kids (shes a social worker). The way my brother in law (who is 100% maori) explained it to me was that in our family after mum died my sister is essentially became the matriarch (he used a maori word but I don't remember what it was), the moko represents her role as a leader. I can understand why a non maori shouldn't have them, theyre not there for giggles or vanity, they're a mark of honour and gift passed down from our ancestors.
Ha bro you a maodalian ha ha mean maori mean❤
If there is maori in your blood and you feel that the ta moko is what you are looking for to guide you to your family roots go hard Maodalian
I am of the whakatohea tribe you feel wairua there is no stopping it you will be drawn by wairua no matter what my grate grate gate grandmother was a very beautiful English lady I wear kanohi ta moko for my tupuna all my tupuna go hard maodalian
You can be a white man living in a village of maori for years they grow on you they are your family in time you become them you are a put of them before you no it you are wearing line of ta moko and there you have it white man with ta moko so go hard maodalian
Was the word kaumatua ?
As someone born seeing I can tell you that I have seen Moko Kowai on wahine who have no tattoos on their face. I wish I could describe it because the ink tattoo does not do justice to the colors and patterns I have seen only to realise it is made manifest only by wairua. I have only ever once told the person what I saw and she smiled and cried and told me she had been thinking about if she needed to get one. After our Korero I explained if she wanted one or not didn't matter because it was already there and so it exists. What I can say is that many people carry moko that cannot be seen by the physical eyes. I cannot say if this is why my ancestors began to mark faces but it might explain why they may have decided to do it. I wonder if it is something that one brings with them from the spirit world to this.
I'm white af but my mums side of the family is Ngai Tuhoe. My Poppa blessed my greenstone for me and I cherish it and the maori history of the family he taught us and passed down.
Little nevous to get a ta moko on my arm because I'm white and don't look maori when I kinda am. It's something I really want since my poppa died of cancer to carry on his part of the family and something I'm proud of. Just worried I'll get hassled or looked at weird for not looking Maori.
If you got it you could look like him
@@kingofsludge7262 I'm white with red hair. That gen is too strong as takes over everything else I have with my appearance
I thought this too. I’m white and I got it done and it’s been such a beautiful journey of learning and feeling strong in who it am :)
My mums tribe is also Ngai Tūhoe. What Hapu are you from? :)
Anyway, you're entirely entitled to do what you want to. Of course there will be a few complaints but as long as you remain confident and keep pride in who you are, then you shouldn't need to pay attention to them.
@@torichan9872 I've forgotten so hope my poppa wrote that down. I knew he wrote some stuff down but not all of it
Kia Ora!
Quick question
Although there seemed to be both sides on weather non Māori should get moko, am I correct to understand that kirituhi is a separate thing and generally speaking that would be acceptable? Just a genuine question from a non Māori who loves and would like to learn more about Māori culture!
Cheers!
Yup. Tā moko is a traditional Māori tattoo that usually has the intent to convey a message that leads back to their heritage and is strictly reserved for Māori and has to be done by a Māori. If it was done for anybody that was outside of the Māori culture then it would be a kirituhi (drawn on skin) and it’s more of the appreciation for the culture if anything. Two very seperate things and I think not enough Māori people know about kirituhis so a lot of Māori people will hassle non Māoris about having one.
I can’t tell anyone else what to do but I am not Māori and I wouldn’t think of it. The Māori traditions and culture are so beautiful but They are not my to take part it. I can appreciate their beauty and rich traditions while still being respectful.
but you think a man can be a woman
Actually their everyones culture now, we're all in this together as kiwis so we have to share BOTH cultures.
@@KNWBDY.important wrong there mate that's the crowns doing the kiwi lot off stubborn maori's out there that what u watch out for mm
@@StuartThompson-oc2in what do you mean?
@@KNWBDY.importantit's not everybody's culture fool
Of course, same as how a Maori can wear a cowboy hat in parliament.
😂 gold comment
...and a Gucci suit, at the same time.
Not the same, not even close but all the npc British sentinels will agree with you.
@@hemrap5866 Exactly the same.
Not the same
No Tuhoe ahau, no te wharuarua O Ruatoki. Some of my tipuna had their moko done, I wear mine on my heart and speak it through my reo that's been passed down .
Passed down?? Dose that mean Sharing too?? Tohatoha to others that see,hear nd witnessed the atrocities by the filthy few colonialism that's happened to them??
Te Rarawa
Te Aupouri on my Mums side...
Te Arawa on my Dads side...
I'd personally be stoked to see others from different cultures embracing our art and getting Ta Moko...
I reckon it would be cool.
Pākehā with no ink here, so take my opinion as you like lol. As I understand it, the moko is meant to tell your story all the way back to your ancestors and it is chosen and designed for you by others. As long as you honour and respect that tradition then fair enough, though it’s a bit easier if you have at least a little Māori in you. I like what the guy said about leaving it off your face if you’re just going for aesthetics, that seems the fairest way to go
Eh please go back to Wales or England. Aotearoa is for Maori 😊
I’ll be honest I am a samoan and I want to say that I think it’s DISRESPECTFUL to our Māori family to get that if you are not of Māori decent, that goes for whatever reason. Just like if a Asian wants to get a pe’a, just because you think it’s cool is not good enough, this is all about respecting your ancestors and what they have been able to gift to their rightful people ❤️❤️
But for example let’s say a guy comes to aotearoa and marries a maōri girl and is accepted in the family you know he lives there for years and learns the language/culture, is it then okay or would you say it’s still disrespectful? Genuine question would love to hear you thoughts.
@@T-rilla okay thx for answering
@@T-rilla yea I figured haha
Just because you're Maori doesn't mean it's ok to get it either. Ta Moko is only supposed to be worn by high ranking Maori. Half these Maori getting it may have come from slave families.
@@Bulltardwin idk what you mean by slave families but your probably palagi
This is extremely simplified. Imagine you get tattoos of a regiment or a military unit that you’re not affiliated with!
This is almost the same but much deeper.
Maori of old earned their moko by way of winning battles against other tribes not just to show what tipuna/ropu they whakapapa to... earning it through a demonstration of competency such as passing SAS selection is as deep as ones whakapapa...
There's plenty of dipshits out there with SS tattoos
@TroyHutchinson-qq5ig yeah some of the design was earnt but some was not it was a birth right really as soon as puberty hit 13 14 ish you'd start getting it but obviously takes a few years to finish so you would earn or learn then bits would be added on
I respect EVERY culture and I'm very much in favour of keeping traditions alive. I'm German but I have a half sleeve on my right forearm in the style of Maori tattoos but incorporating symbols from cultures all over the world. I love the art (to me Polinesian styles are the most beautiful in the tattoo world), but I want to express my desire to be multi-culti, respecting ALL cultures and traditions. 🙏🏼😎
It's a language in stylised form using the language of Ranginui and Papatuanuku their children down to us. It's totally whakapapa that cannot be changed.
I understand your perspective, @@kamauwikeepa7308, but it's essential to recognize that languages continually evolve. If you were to travel to medieval England, you would likely struggle to comprehend the language spoken by the people at that time due to the influence of migration and diverse cultures throughout history. The same holds true for the language of Polynesian tattoos, which has also experienced changes over time. There are now interesting contemporary variations available.
Let me clarify that I firmly believe that everyone has the right to choose what they like, as long as it does not harm others. So, if someone prefers to stick with traditional Polynesian tattoos, that's perfectly acceptable. I wholeheartedly support respecting one's cultural traditions. Nevertheless, change is an inevitable part of life. "Change is the only constant in life." ~ Heraclitus
The spiral features in ancient cave drawings. Caveman witnessed technology so got inspired.
except white american southerners
@@JensGraikowskiI think that when you wear something like polynesian or maori specific tattoos it becomes just a drawing which is okay but if it was on us it would be our whakapapa (geneaology) or pepeha (connection to the land and our ancestors) telling a story or being an identifier to other tribes.
I agree ta moko is for Māori alone. Consider this though - I am pakeha and can trace my ancestry in New Zealand back to the mid 1800s. My adoptive son is Māori (Ngāti Porou) and Tongan. How do I as a pakeha with a very average knowledge of Te ao Māori bring him up with the knowledge and appreciation of his Māori heritage?
You could contact your local, 'Te Wangana o Aotearoa' and I'm sure someone from there could offer advice ❤
Sou brasileiro e indígena, e assim como os maori também temos nossas tattoos com significado e história.e eu entendo vcs eu não tenho a minha tattoo , mas eu vou fazer logo logo
So quick question, is that ok for a non Māori to get a Maori style kirituhi??
Yup. As long as they respect the history behind their design and the culture in which it comes from
Interesting to see Maori defend both sides i was sure they would have all said a hard no
Yes our markings should be respected spiritually and physically no matter the blood. But alot of people from different areas would disagree as different tribes have different rules
i absolutely love culture tattoos and have Polynesian tribal on my arms and legs but these are thing the artist put together that didnt mean anything to me only looks cool. So i decided i needed one that was actually meaningful to me so i went to Hawaii and had an interview with Keone Nunes ( traditional hawaiian tap tattoo artist) and he blessed me with agreeing and tattooing me with a one of a kind personal tattoo that actually has meaning..greatest experience i have ever had
I always thought moko was about whakapapa so with that said...No
To be able to whakapapa you have to be considered Māori. So it's kinda a yes as well
@@Jspdreaming toe-may-toe......tomato lol
yes ??
@@tonymorgan9240 It says "Can non Māori wear moko" and my answer was No
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barnet_Burns
I'm not of Polynesian decent, Maori or otherwise, but I do have a cousin that is Native Hawaiian & it's because of his tattoos I fell in love with the Polynesian styles of tattooing. Personally I would love to get something not because I want to appropriate but because I absolutely APPRECIATE the culture, history, people, art & legacy. Much love
Im approx 20% Maori (Te atiawa)- where does this place me? Am I allowed to get one?
I hesitate a lot over getting moko. My grandmother was Maori, but died way before I was born and never talked about her heritage to my dad. I've not been able to trace her line past her with confidence, and even though my mom swears she was, it's a hesitancy out of respect. One day I'd love to come to Aotearoa just for the sake of her memory. But I still am unsure about gett moko myself.
you are maori. thats it.
This is what kirituhi is for.
Why is so popular now ? why is it that Maori feel the need to wear moko all of a sudden ? When I took Maori I was taught that getting a moko was a serious right of passage , you just didn't go out and get one ! it had to be bestowed on you by your tribes Komatua after a long meeting with other elders .🤔
in my iwi back in the day every woman/girl who had gone through their first menstrual cycle received theirs shortly after the fact, tikanga around tāmoko is different depending on iwi, hapu and whanau. What you said is not Kawa, it was unpopular at a point in time because of the racism our people would receive if they were seen with tāmoko
Then whoever taught you was incorrect and should’ve taught you that tikanga surrounding tāmoko differs depending on where you’re from
@@tyrahhaami8404 Today's generation of Maori now who have in most cases even less Maori blood in them than they did a generation ago seem to think right now in this particular decade is the best time to get one ? Why are white people getting them ? To take the piss or do they really think that their 1/8 th or 16th is enough ?
As a first nation person from Mexico. The tattos on our faces are thousands and thousands of years old . Not just a Maori thing. AZTECS in Mexico , Incas in Peru . Our African brothers and Egyptians. The Ink on body and face is not exclusive. And our ancestors never said it was just for our people. As long as you are aware of what they represent and are connected to that tribe . There shouldn't be anyone policing this art and meaning. If you don't respect it , then I can see where a problem might be. blessing to all our brothers and sisters from all our First Nations across the world 🌎
They are talking specifically about their designs and types of tattoos. Because its not like putting mandarin script on, its heritage.
People should do whatever they want no matter how stupid it looks.
And that is why I’m going to let your comment go - stupid should be tolerated ❤
or gaeh
yes, you do
@flashrobbie No smoko spilled on my chin!
Back in the olden days when pakeha first arrived many of them had moko.
if anyone can answer this i would really like amazingly appreciate this. I’m NZ European but my great great grandmother was full māori, I was thinking about getting ta moko somewhere for that sake of māori in my blood but im so terrified of getting hate for being mostly pākeha with moko (i have blue eyes and brown hair with white skin) but my main question is am i allowed or able to get ta moko even if im not full māori?
If you can whakapapa (trace your genealogy to) Maaori, then you are Maaori. Go for it
I think it depends on why you get it, and your reason is good.
for example i was basically adopted into a tongan family and they want me to go to tonga to get a traditional tap done.
I have zero tongan blood but if my family tells me they eant me to then ima do it.
Id do the same if they were maori
Funny that none of these people actually cary on the ancient tradation as it was practiced traditionally.
And how nearly all have "mixed ancestry" yet choose not to recognise anything other than one particular lineage.
Very interesting stuff.
What you say about ta moko not being practiced traditionally is something you should talk to a te ao maori artist about, if your really that interested. I know I am.
The reason we recognize one particular lineage more than the other is because of multiple reasons imo. I will tell you this one. Maori culture at its root is strong, and it's especially strong when you are born in the place where it developed - New Zealand. It's all around us. It's what we grew up with. We can't hide from it, and most of us don't want to. Someone with common sense should be able to figure that out.
Some actually do choose to go the traditional way, each to there own!!
As for your “mixed ancestry” all Māori speak and write English. Most, MOST live a westerner thought process whilst incorporating Māori tikanga.
You need to remember this generation is still re learning a lot of tikanga that was beaten out and suppressed back in the 20th century.
They are not choosing to only recognise there Māori ancestry, they are relearning it. There’s a difference!!!
There's a lot of cream in those coffees.
Its a hard one i have read few old books on Mataora and Ta moko tha have mentioned a couple settlers being fully accepted into Ao Maori and being allowed to wear our Taonga but times have changed so unless a Pakeha did something drastically for Maori the only thing they can wear are kiri tuhi
Quick question. My mother is Māori, her entire family have originated from New Zealand and she grew up there. When she was in her 20s she traveled to Scotland and met my dad. They have lived here for many years now and I was born here. Am I Māori or did I have to be born in New Zealand like her?
its not about where you are born its the blood that runs through your veins, if your mother is Māori then you indeed are also Māori. My father was Māori and married my mother who migrated from the UK although i was born and breed in NZ its essentially the same thing as yourself. if you can find out more about your mothers iwi and your mothers family tree you could be surprised at what you can learn about where you come.
@@mattgage4418 I'm 17 right now and planning to move over there for a few years after I finish my degree. I would love to get the Tā Moko on me to represent my family's Māori history, but I'm doubtful as to whether they would allow it as I was born and raised in the UK
@pettystrangersofficial you summed up it perfectly yourself bro, ta moko is meant to represent exactly that, not where you are born. If you decide to move there take the time to sit down with a ta moko artist and share with them your mother's maori heritage that will give you the best peice of mind they are some of the most beautiful people you will meet during your time here also.
@@mattgage4418 Thank you, I can't wait to go! It will be an amazing experience 🙌 my mum just came back from a visit to her home town in NZ where she hasn't been in over 10 years, to spread my granny's ashes as she passed away at the beginning of the year. She brought back the most beautiful Pounamu as a gift from her mum. My grandad gifted me one when I was born and I never take it off!! I love NZ and I am glad I will be accepted even if I wasn't born and raised 🙏 thank you for your kind words ♥️
Im from the Philippines and I carry your culture and tradition mark on my body,I tried to incorporate myself and our culture to polynesian culture thru our own tribal communities here and of course our very own Apo Wang od,the only thing that I can promise is the respect and pride I could give to your designs and culture as i've already wearing it.
That's gonna be different because you are Austronesian, and have similar cultural tattoos. Our ancestors were basically filos and native taiwanese that mixed with melanesians. So it's easier for people to accept when Filos get poly tattoos.
Whanau getting too precious. Complain that pakeha don’t accept our culture but when they do and want to wear our moko it’s not good enough. I agree anyone can get Ta Moko aslong as they wear it with pride and don’t get it just to show off like a lot of the whanau over in Aussie
Accepting our culture is accepting that Moko is more or less only for Maori. Ofc we're complaining
100! I’d LOVE to have one but I wouldn’t get it until I understood the culture more (I’m from South Africa) but I think withholding certain people from experiencing these moments does more harm than good.
Pakeha cannot wear Moko kauae not only because
1) He Taonga tiki iho mai I o tātou Tupuna, mai I O tātou Tipua, mai I Ō tatou Ātua mo Māori nioho ke. but not only that
2) when you think about the fact that the Tohunga Suppresion Act was lifter only 61 years ago. With alot of our Tikanga and Kawa almost erased from history forever. It puts you in a situation where no matter how much you love your pakeha friend. Our Tupuna faced and died violently to the Pakeha.
But if they relate and have whakapapa Māori, of course they can get a Moko. Our Māori whanau in Australia get unnecessaryly shit on. They are still Māori and it's not their fault they had to go elsewhere to put Kai on the table and a roof over their heads.
That will never take away the Fact they are Māori through and through.
But if you do not have whakapapa Māori whatsoever, you CANNOT GET A TĀ MOKO.
It will make them sick and in worse cases if they are not safe. They could have seriously fatal consequences. So not only out of the respect of our culture but also the wellbeing of Pakeha. Do not get a Tā Moko if you only have pakeha and no Māori Ancestory and Whakapapa.
Hell no
Only Māori can carry Ta moko in general
I don't understand why anyone would want a tribal or cultural tattoo if they're not of that culture. Yeah sure, someone can admire and embrace it, but at the end of the day, they're not of that culture. There are certain lines you don't cross, otherwise it's vulgar appropriation. Not genuine. I can understand why some would find it offensive.
Honsetly I fell like its an amazing way to spread our culture.In my opinion Culture should be spread throughtout the world for everyone to embrace and to have people throughout the world identify with our culture and spread its values would be amazing. Our culture has been supressed for too long and for it to get global recongnition through our mokos would be amazing. No one man or woman has the right to gatekeep our culture and any culture for that fact. If you can identify with the values and belifes of our culture then I hope you can wear it with pride and that it may bring mana to your life. We should show love to those people that embrace our culutre and if you think that others carrying our mokos diminishes your own then maybe your not weraing it for the right reasons. As a people we should all feel welcome to all the culutres of the world if we can identify with their values. As maori we should embrace those who wish to embrace our culture otherwise we risk to be forever gatekeepers to the cultulre we love.
Beautifully stated.
There's some great Celtic artwork that make great tattoos for pakeha.
Funnily enough , that Celtic art work is dated before maori , and is the original source for a lot of the designs recognized as Maori today . The koru being a good example.
Kirituhi is for non-maori and is a beautiful way of sharing part of our culture with others.
As a māori myself in a interracial relationship with a pākeha I think as long as they are aware of the tikanga and the whakaro behind said moko we should support them for wanting to feel included in our culture.
Im not Maori Im from the Caribbean but i just got a whole sleeve of Maori and i want to do a whole full body suit of Maori. I very much respect the culture and the art that is why i like the tattoo.
And honestly, liking the culture and artwork is a good enough reason. Anyone who tries to shove their "cultural appropriation" views in your face can go kick rocks.
@@sages101 Yess Sir i am getting a whole body suit in Maori style done i like the Koru style
@@sages101Are you Māori? Lol
@@goldenhaze6880Why? Why do you want your whole body of our culture?
@@rxpeka Kirituhi
No no no you can’t ever feel what these people feel in their hearts
Do you need to be Austrian to play Mozart then?
Given that Mozart wasn't Austrian, the answer is no.
The most powerful tool that connects us to our maori roots is tikanga, manaakitanga to guide us. He Mataora puhoro and such i understand is a no no for non-maori, but moko is ka pai as long as they know who its for, what it means, where they got it, and why they wear it, into it let them represent.
Everyone should be able to get any kind of tattoo , it’s personal choice. Like Maoiri can’t just claim this face stuff for themselves.
Trevor Bentleys book Pakeha Taa Moko is a good read…
Non Maori born NZ now living in Aus,I’m thinking of getting a sleeve represent my hometown Otara Akl NZ and all my Maori mates I grew up with.
Yes if other cultures want to have ta moko yes yes yes. It’s a great honour for our people
'The whole God damn band was white except for Jimmy', Wesley Snipes.
my thoughts, is we live in a world of share and understand. the pakeha have gifts to share, likewise with the maori have gifts to share. our maori people walk in the life style of pakeha everyday. moko should be shared to the ones who hold the mana of the un seen mana. that mana could be in the hands of your Neighbour and you dont even realize it. we are all special and unique and all have gifts to share.
You can go to Bali and get anything put anywhere. I have had people follow me and try photograph my Ta Moko so they could copy it. You can go into places and get SBW work done exactly the same they don't care it's all money to them.
We don’t own anything or anyone……..but if you do you must wear moko with dignity and honour. You must give it the grace it deserves. It’s like being born again for Christian’s but this is how we roll. Ngamihi everyone. Peac and love. Plus more Māoris in the Gold Coast have moko then the ones in Aotearoa….go figure lol
Since their culture was almost eliminated. This is theirs.
Its not hair, its not a fashion. Its a rite of passage. Like the one said, if you adopt their life their ways and respect the culture. Then the mark is yours as well, a gift. But to just get it to have and wear like fashion is not right. To me at least.
I once had a conversation with some elderly maori women. The conversation was about the traditional tattoo that maori women have on their lower lip and chin. They heavily critised the fact that so many younger maori women are getting that tattoo nowdays. They say it has clearly become a trend. So much to your "its not a fashion. Its a rite of passage". In this case even maoris are not respecting their own culture.
Yes, i might have been brought up with a tv and shop across the road, and into sdown squarks in physics, but I my culture still remains Māori inside and out
Kia Ora Koutou 👋
I'm French and I've lived in NZ for almost 18 years now.
I've got multiple Tā Moko on my body (chest, back, sleeve).
I LOVE the Maori culture, and I'm proud to "represent" it by wearing it on my skin.
I'm currently in the process of learning Te Reo Maori, via Te Wananga o Aotearoa.
I love the old ways of the Maori culture and what they stood for (respect your elders, respect wahine and Tamariki).
Unfortunately, I feel that these values have been lost overtime.
I understand people who believe that Tā moko should be reserved to Maori only, but I also think that it is a shame, because this way of thinking, in my opinion, prevents the culture from thriving and becoming mainstream and accepted the way it should be ❤️
Just my 2 cents
Ngā mihi nui
Hey you need a moko on your bum Cuz 😂
There are a lot of misinformed comments here.Many people today wearing Moko have not followed tradition and would not be allowed them.There were also Pakeha that were given the honor of wearing them as they became part of tribes.Barnet Burns is one of the most famous.
People can do whatever the hell they want with their face and their skin.
@oriwhia Look its like the Matatini festival in Auckland they would have exhausted all the possible benefits to get there and back. Very Naughty indeed
I mean, you can sure. Your not going to get in legal trouble. But this discussion is an ethical one not a legal one
Of course you can, but its about respect for other peoples wishes and culture. For instance you can totally go to japan and be a loud mouthed annoying foreigner. But then that is what you are. Someone who doesnt respect the land youre visiting and their culture.
I am not indiginous,but a strong ally,i would say.
My opinion on this is,if you love the people and respect them,you would accept that some parts of their culture,just are'nt for you. You would love it for them,but accept that,with a few things you can just watch and appreciate and not have for your own.
A lot of the times,in my view at least,people are Apropriating and not apreciating...🤷🏻♀️
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What if a kanaka maoli to wear a moko ? We are cousins rite ?
Well at the end of the day a person's body is really theirs, if they want to wear tattoos it's essentially their choice to do so or not too, there's no Laws in NZ against people having tattoos or body piercings, it's not a criminal activity or crime or breaking any Laws. And yes I do get/understand the cultural thing too, but in a way it's really quite sad too that many Maori are quite anti and object to non Maori wanting to wear Maori styled tattoos (even say on their arms), well the only people they're really alienating against is the very tiny minority of Pakehas (Europeans) whom love Maori culture and values, it alienates their Pakeha allies, it really doesn't effect anyone else, you'll never ever see Pakehas like Don Brash wanting to wear a Moko or a Tiki, or any Asians, Indians, or a majority of Europeans for that matter, this will probably soon start to extend to the objecting of non Maori wearing Tikis or Greenstone ornaments too, and thank goodness this doesn't go the other way round with Europeans like Don Brash accusing Maori of cultural appropriation and objecting to their using such things as electricity and automobiles, but you never know.
I dont see the problem! It's a tattoo until we ask where are you from? Who are your people? Who do you hail back to? Who did your tattoo? If they can answer then they were graced with the traditions and culture that support it! That is all!
If manuhiri arrive at the gates of the marae, will you turn them away because the colour of their skin warrants their tipuna adorned on their person? Then who are we to judge before the paepae? 😔
my great grand mother fom my fathers side was maori.. the rest is straight british... i grew up in Outautahi... did kapa haka in primary school.. and just resonate more with maori culture.. im heavily tattooed and would love some maori moko... like im a kiwi through and through.. but im also white as fuck.. i resonate with the land, like its my home
If your Maori an you don't speak the reo it will give you more joy to learn I fear if you do
As someone with only mostly Celtic ancestry, I would think it inappropriate for me to have Moko. I recognise moko as belonging to Maori culture. And as commented it seems you must be deserving of certain designs/symbols. Symbols, like sacred geometry, are very powerful and should be respected in their use.
Moko kaue shudb for Maori identity is paramount Te Reo Maori is another both claim who you are your journey through life Think of others rather than yourself 🙏
Of course. Wouldn't advise it though, whether you can do something doesn't mean you'll avoid the prejudice' that come with it that decision.
Here's my opinion. If you can turn yourself from a man to a woman these days, or visa versa. You can do whatever you want to your own body.
gender is differen to ethnic backround.
@@livfenty07 the key part here being, YOUR OWN BODY.
I have no right to tell people that they can't put ink under their own skin in a certain way.
I'm not saying you can change your ethnic background, i'm saying that if you can chop off your knob and call yourself a chick.
You can put ink under your skin.
I don't care what other people do with their body.
@@josh4601why would someone put a moko or tamoko on their body without any meaning or identity behind it is besides me 😂. Culture less beingss 😂.
For me personally why NOT they are embracing culture why not
The difference between Tamoko and Kirituhi are what sets it apart from a traditional and non-traditional.
I love the art but as a white American . I feel like I could respect the culture in other ways. But I will admit. If I had the opportunity to get just a small one on my arm somewhere I probably would mostly out of reverence. That being said I started studying the culture for a while now and I really appreciate and what the marks mean .
Im one 1/32 Maori. I can get monetary compensation from the colonisers. And I'm them/they. I am considering getting the Maori wahine black lips/chin tattoo. I hope the haters aren't too loud. Peace love and empathy
I sat across from a white ozzy guy with a bullsh*t moko on a train in Perth when I was in my 20s... I was staring at him trying to read his whakapapa to realize it was just swirls made to look like a Moko... he got uncomfortable with me staring at him and got up and moved
There were pakeha with Ta Moko in the old days. Any old Maori is doing it so can anyone else then.
It’s ours!🙌🏽
Exactly! That´s why I don´t do ram raids. That´s your thing also.
There's a samoan kiwi in France doing
Ta moko on every one and anyone
Is that allowed?
He might not be doing ta moko per se. He might be doing pe'a (simply put the samoan version of ta moko, which is sure has its own customs).
I got too much facial hair for moko. It have to shave twice a day
It's changed,in the Old day's,you had to go through,and accomplish task's,which proved you were entitled to have a moko,
Just like everything else,be a doctor,teacher,nurse,boss,
Now,seems anyone can, good or bad, don't care, I'll never get inked, plenty of my whanau have,matter of yeah or nah
Everywhere you go you see them on men and women..theyve taken something of mana and standing and made it normal.
People forget we are stuck on one planet shame on gate keeping I agree it’s there culture not saving to get ur face tatted but seems crazy to be in the position where art belongs to only ur small island how we still haven’t figured out the fact we are all human an we share ancestors regardless of the last 1000+ years
Seems more crazier to me to want somebody else’s culture on your skin 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡 now that’s crazy.
What if a pakeha baby is whanau does that make them Maori? Or nah?
There were pākehā that were granted moko in the 1800s. Look up pākehā māori. There are a number of books out there on that subject. It's considered appropriation these days, probably rightly so as māori culture has become the minority and not the norm.
The only real moko in the world....STR8 THE FUCK ON.
Indigenous People from southern China and Taiwan also have similar cravings. Could it be NZ Maoris are originally from there?
South East Asia from what I know. They come down through Polynesia.
Plus the DNA and culture of those here before the polynesian fleets.
Me personally no I’m Irish all 7 of my kids are to a Māori man I personally wouldn’t as it’s not my whakapapa I’m all for my kids getting there’s one day
I don't use tattoos on myself.
We'd love to wear moko to celebrate our 2 cultures but we choose to wear our own cultural tattoos ie Celtic and Saxon!
can a non military person wear a military uniform, i dont think so.
Who would want to?
If u have kiwi blood ur rightfull to a moko....its like black people who see braids or dreads on white people as a disrespect when infact they were created by white people in Scandinavia also known as vikings who also wore there own Style of moko tatts....things go much deeper than the colour of ur skin
As a Pakeha it isn’t against the law but I don’t think many of us would think it was appropriate. Seems to be the consensus among everyone.
Yes but who would want to?
Anybody that yells cultural appropriation needs to stop appropriating European culture.. but not having AC will make them cry
I'm a kinda dark olive skin but look more like my indian side the my Maori but I want to get one one day
Few of these people dont know the history of pakeha-maori who were gifted moko and able to live with our so called ancestors.
I’m all for the Kiwis keeping culture. I was under the impression the marks are. A picture graph representing something “heroic” or the passing of ya mum and dah. Sure get a toughness sticker. Remember I’m only 50 and I recall an anchor tattoo being bitten off in a fishing pub in Australia. Kiwis Great grandparents invited everyone over to dinner and ate people. Piss a genetically evolved boat rower off and see if hunting whales affects DNA.
Really stupid to say its exclusive to them only, if someone wants it, respects it, deserves it he should get it. Doesnt matter what he does or where he comes from
There are plenty of other cultures with facial tattoos. Some maori think its their exclusive right to face tattooing
✨️As long as you know your (whakapapa) who you are, where your from! ka pai,
Me personally I am pākehā however in my whakapapa I have Māori - does that mean I am Māori?
The way you have written your post isn’t clear.
In the first instance You claim to be Pākehā … let’s unpack that a bit. To be Pākehā means you gave zero Māori Whakapapa in the form of genetic ancestors who were Māori. If this is the case - then you are a Pākehā.
But then … you state that in your whakapapa you DO have a Māori genetic ancestry connection. If this is true that you have a direct connection to a Māori ancestor THEN you have the right to claim your Māori Identity - meaning you can confidently say you are Māori. Why? Because being Māori isn’t limited to blood quantum. That’s a colonised way of thinking projected upon Māori by non-Māori racism institutionalised in our society by colonisation.
The curious part of your post is when you say “Me personally I am Pākehā…” I would ask … why do you say this?
Do you have a direct Māori ancestor or not?
The answer is either a) Yes or b) No.
If yes - then you are Māori.
If no - then you are not.
It’s that simple.
How about for us tagata pasifika?