Appreciate the kind words, Kim, it's truly appreciated. All I ask is that you share these videos with others to learn from. Thanks again, and here's to a great holiday season! Tim www.troutandfeather.com
Good day Edward, I recently returned form a trip in Florida (Venice Beach) where I was using a 9 ft 10 wt rod (typically used for carp, channel cat, and pike fishing) for saltwater fishing using tube flies. I was using larger flies 3-4" long and had no difficulty throwing these and larger weighted flies. Clousers and DDH leeches up to 4" were easy to throw and benefitted from using a sinking tip line to offset the increased buoyancy of saltwater versus freshwater. Making the tubes flies modular (i.e. stacking see previous tube fly videos) allows for the flies to get larger or smaller based on what you are fishing for and use whatever size hook you need. I used Octopus 6, 8, 10. Using the octopus hooks keeps the weight down on the fly as you don't have the hook shank and reduces fatigue casting and lessens likelihood of tip breakage from a strike from a heavy fly. Moreover, material selection is critical. Synthetics don't hold water so large baitfish imitations are possible (like pike flies). Naturals like zonker strips will absorb and hold water which makes them heavier - casting farther. Had good success with bunny leech in chartreuse grizzle
Tim, I do like the stonfo products I have, but have difficulty finding certain things. Now I have the Nor-vise which was a present on my first Christmas tying. I have all the attachments. It is out of this world in its abilities. The tube fly attachment works on the same principal as the stone for tightening. But the tips that are blunt on the stonfo are threaded on the norvise pins to tighten at both ends if necessary. Then I got another gift vise last Christmas which I believe is the best machined vise on the planet the Petitjean Master vise. On one side of the head it is a regular rotary vise, spin it around on its axis that goes into the clamp/table top and take the rotary handle off and it becomes a dedicated tube fly vise with four pins on the other side. You are correct in "you get what you pay for." This particular vise is over 700.00. It has all types of accessories which I have not purchased because they are equally expensive. The HMH tool I use in my Regal on my portable station. Yes I am a spoiled tier! Have three complete vises and only been tying for three years. The sky is the limit on choices. All the best, Sean
Ha ha....a Christmas miracle for fly tying! You are very lucky, for sure, and hit the nail on the head by mentioning all of the choices we have, Sean. Thanks for sharing your thoughts on the other products available, and let me know how the new vise works out for you as you become more familiar with it and its abilities. Tim
Hi Tim HmH is abt 10 miles from my house, I had my wife pick up for Christmas the other year A premium tube tool so I could use this on my Nor-vise, and for my HmH spartin vise a HmH tubevise converter and a HmH starter pin set also she bought some hooks and extra tubing.Thanks for this and all your posts Mark
Thanks for the comment, Rudy, and we're lucky to have MANY great choices of vises out there. My main vise currently is the Stonfo Transformer, especially because the jaws are so fine, yet offer superior hook-holding ability. Here's my video review of it: th-cam.com/video/72ZVsnns_rI/w-d-xo.html The Regal lineup is also exceptional, and thanks for taking a moment to comment. Tim www.troutandfeather.com
The only problem I see with the Stonfo tube fly vice is that there are a lot of plastic tube systems with an inner and an outer tube of 1.8mm & 3.0mm diameter respectively. The 1.8mm tube if cut @ 40mm, when connected to a 25mm piece of outer tube, will not fit on any of the pins supplied. How do you get around that one ?
+Michael Clarke Thanks for the message, Michael, and I'm unsure if I follow you. Are you saying that the length of the two together is the problem, or that when the two are connected, there will not be a way to tighten them? Thanks for the question. TC
+Tim Cammisa It is only the 1.8mm OD inner tube that is the problem. Even on Stonfo's smallest pin you can ony use a max length of 28mm & then the taper becomes too steep. None of the other pins fit the I.D of the 1.8mm tubing. They are all too large. It seems odd that a dedicated tubefly vice with 5 different pins cannot cope with one of the most common tubing systems out there i.e Tubeworx, FITS, Futurefly etc
Robert, I appreciate you taking a moment to comment. The Norvise Tube Fly System is a quality tool that works very well. At the time of this video, I did not have the Norvise, hence why you are not seeing it. Since this video, I have also been tying on the Stonfo Transformer, which has a tube fly head, hence it is my main vise for these flies currently. Thanks for mentioning the system, and I hope to hear from you on some of my other videos. Tim
Hi Tedd, and you can simply do a search for "Stonfo Bobbin Rest" online. I use that same one with a few of my vises, and it also converts to a parachute tool (though I don't use it for that too often). Thanks for checking! Tim www.troutandfeather.com
Tim, I agree with your assessment of the HMH Tube tying attachment. The best part of that vise is that you can tie small lengths of tubes on it and there is no lose of tube material. I have the Nor Vise system with all the attachments and I absolutely love it. I started as most tiers do with the Thompson manual vise which is a good vise to start with. If you are older as I am and have all the arthritis' the the best vise in my opinion is the Nor Vise. It can do it all and you don't have to declare bankruptcy after you buy it. You are correct that if you want a good vise be prepared to spend some money. Tying flies is not cheap when you add the vise and accessories plus tying materials. I would recommend the Nor Vise as the best all around vise.
Thanks for the comments and thoughts, Richard Katzman ; you gave a great assessment of both, which I am sure will help others. Thanks for taking the time to comment, and good luck with the tube flies! Tim
HAVING OWNED ONE OF THESE VICES FOR OVER A YEAR, I, AT LAST, NOW FEEL FULLY CONVERSANT WITH ALL THE FEATURES OF THIS VICE. THANKS FOR A VERY INFORMATIVE VIDEO. PHIL POWELL
You're welcome, Phil, and glad you're now comfortable with the vise. It's been a great one for me, and good to know you feel the same. Thanks for taking a moment to comment. Tim www.troutandfeather.com
Thanks for the comment, Dylan, and I honestly don't have enough experience tying tube flies with other vises to make that recommendation. I tend to tie the majority of my tube flies on a Stonfo Transformer, as it has a head specifically made for tube flies. I have a review video on the vise: th-cam.com/video/72ZVsnns_rI/w-d-xo.html Thanks again, and let me know what you end up going with, as you have some great choices there. Tim
@@TimCammisa I usually just tie patterns that fish immediately. Sunray tied on a metal tube will fish as soon as it hits the water, if this makes sense? I like the Nor-vise like action of the vise if I want to quick tie. like laying down a tinsel, dubbed, or braid body.
The BEST… thank you for taking the time and all the videos on tube flies… Excellent
Appreciate the kind words, Kim, it's truly appreciated. All I ask is that you share these videos with others to learn from. Thanks again, and here's to a great holiday season! Tim www.troutandfeather.com
Good day Edward,
I recently returned form a trip in Florida (Venice Beach) where I was using a 9 ft 10 wt rod (typically used for carp, channel cat, and pike fishing) for saltwater fishing using tube flies. I was using larger flies 3-4" long and had no difficulty throwing these and larger weighted flies. Clousers and DDH leeches up to 4" were easy to throw and benefitted from using a sinking tip line to offset the increased buoyancy of saltwater versus freshwater.
Making the tubes flies modular (i.e. stacking see previous tube fly videos) allows for the flies to get larger or smaller based on what you are fishing for and use whatever size hook you need. I used Octopus 6, 8, 10. Using the octopus hooks keeps the weight down on the fly as you don't have the hook shank and reduces fatigue casting and lessens likelihood of tip breakage from a strike from a heavy fly.
Moreover, material selection is critical. Synthetics don't hold water so large baitfish imitations are possible (like pike flies). Naturals like zonker strips will absorb and hold water which makes them heavier - casting farther.
Had good success with bunny leech in chartreuse grizzle
Tim, I do like the stonfo products I have, but have difficulty finding certain things. Now I have the Nor-vise which was a present on my first Christmas tying. I have all the attachments. It is out of this world in its abilities. The tube fly attachment works on the same principal as the stone for tightening. But the tips that are blunt on the stonfo are threaded on the norvise pins to tighten at both ends if necessary. Then I got another gift vise last Christmas which I believe is the best machined vise on the planet the Petitjean Master vise. On one side of the head it is a regular rotary vise, spin it around on its axis that goes into the clamp/table top and take the rotary handle off and it becomes a dedicated tube fly vise with four pins on the other side. You are correct in "you get what you pay for." This particular vise is over 700.00. It has all types of accessories which I have not purchased because they are equally expensive. The HMH tool I use in my Regal on my portable station. Yes I am a spoiled tier! Have three complete vises and only been tying for three years. The sky is the limit on choices. All the best, Sean
Ha ha....a Christmas miracle for fly tying! You are very lucky, for sure, and hit the nail on the head by mentioning all of the choices we have, Sean. Thanks for sharing your thoughts on the other products available, and let me know how the new vise works out for you as you become more familiar with it and its abilities. Tim
Hi Tim HmH is abt 10 miles from my house, I had my wife pick up for Christmas the other year A premium tube tool so I could use this on my Nor-vise, and for my HmH spartin vise a HmH tubevise converter and a HmH starter pin set also she bought some hooks and extra tubing.Thanks for this and all your posts Mark
Thanks for the comments, Mark, and luck you to be so close to HMH! Tim
That is a very cool vise, have used regal clamp for 40 yrs, now use regal revolution rotary. Just like their stuff.
Thanks for the comment, Rudy, and we're lucky to have MANY great choices of vises out there. My main vise currently is the Stonfo Transformer, especially because the jaws are so fine, yet offer superior hook-holding ability. Here's my video review of it: th-cam.com/video/72ZVsnns_rI/w-d-xo.html The Regal lineup is also exceptional, and thanks for taking a moment to comment. Tim www.troutandfeather.com
The only problem I see with the Stonfo tube fly vice is that there are a lot of plastic tube systems with an inner and an outer tube of 1.8mm & 3.0mm diameter respectively. The 1.8mm tube if cut @ 40mm, when connected to a 25mm piece of outer tube, will not fit on any of the pins supplied. How do you get around that one ?
+Michael Clarke Thanks for the message, Michael, and I'm unsure if I follow you. Are you saying that the length of the two together is the problem, or that when the two are connected, there will not be a way to tighten them? Thanks for the question. TC
+Tim Cammisa It is only the 1.8mm OD inner tube that is the problem. Even on Stonfo's smallest pin you can ony use a max length of 28mm & then the taper becomes too steep. None of the other pins fit the I.D of the 1.8mm tubing. They are all too large. It seems odd that a dedicated tubefly vice with 5 different pins cannot cope with one of the most common tubing systems out there i.e Tubeworx, FITS, Futurefly etc
I may have missed it but you didn't comment on norvice tube system I have one and wouldn't trade it for two of the others.
Robert, I appreciate you taking a moment to comment. The Norvise Tube Fly System is a quality tool that works very well. At the time of this video, I did not have the Norvise, hence why you are not seeing it. Since this video, I have also been tying on the Stonfo Transformer, which has a tube fly head, hence it is my main vise for these flies currently. Thanks for mentioning the system, and I hope to hear from you on some of my other videos. Tim
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where can i get that thread bobbin hanger?
Hi Tedd, and you can simply do a search for "Stonfo Bobbin Rest" online. I use that same one with a few of my vises, and it also converts to a parachute tool (though I don't use it for that too often). Thanks for checking! Tim www.troutandfeather.com
Tim, I agree with your assessment of the HMH Tube tying attachment. The best part of that vise is that you can tie small lengths of tubes on it and there is no lose of tube material. I have the Nor Vise system with all the attachments and I absolutely love it. I started as most tiers do with the Thompson manual vise which is a good vise to start with. If you are older as I am and have all the arthritis' the the best vise in my opinion is the Nor Vise. It can do it all and you don't have to declare bankruptcy after you buy it. You are correct that if you want a good vise be prepared to spend some money. Tying flies is not cheap when you add the vise and accessories plus tying materials. I would recommend the Nor Vise as the best all around vise.
Thanks for the comments and thoughts, Richard Katzman ; you gave a great assessment of both, which I am sure will help others. Thanks for taking the time to comment, and good luck with the tube flies! Tim
Kinds of chainvise
Can't lose with the hmh starter tool. I already owned an hmh standard vice so bought the tube vice converter.
Awesome, glad it has worked for you! Tim www.troutandfeather.com
Canadian tube company also has a tapered tube needle that just goes in your regular vise and works excellent
Dave Call Thanks for taking time to comment, Dave. Tim
HAVING OWNED ONE OF THESE VICES FOR OVER A YEAR, I, AT LAST, NOW FEEL FULLY CONVERSANT WITH ALL THE FEATURES OF THIS VICE. THANKS FOR A VERY INFORMATIVE VIDEO. PHIL POWELL
You're welcome, Phil, and glad you're now comfortable with the vise. It's been a great one for me, and good to know you feel the same. Thanks for taking a moment to comment. Tim www.troutandfeather.com
In your opinion, what's the best tube tying vise? right now I'm torn between the Regal and the Norvice
Thanks for the comment, Dylan, and I honestly don't have enough experience tying tube flies with other vises to make that recommendation. I tend to tie the majority of my tube flies on a Stonfo Transformer, as it has a head specifically made for tube flies. I have a review video on the vise: th-cam.com/video/72ZVsnns_rI/w-d-xo.html Thanks again, and let me know what you end up going with, as you have some great choices there. Tim
absolutely brilliant vise as is the stonfo kaimen so easy to use and beautifully finished
+allan lawson Agreed, Allan...
How does it do with metal tubes without using the pins?
It works fine without them, though I prefer using the pins for stability. Do you prefer the metal tubes? Tim www.troutandfeather.com
@@TimCammisa I usually just tie patterns that fish immediately. Sunray tied on a metal tube will fish as soon as it hits the water, if this makes sense? I like the Nor-vise like action of the vise if I want to quick tie. like laying down a tinsel, dubbed, or braid body.