Soft modal separation works | Goodwill Bridge, Brisbane
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 4 ส.ค. 2024
- The Goodwill Bridge is a shared path which carries up to 13,000 pedestrians, cyclists and e-scooters every day. It doesn't have segregated bicycle and pedestrian paths marked, but it does have soft modal separation.
Does it work?
0:00 The Goodwill Bridge
3:15 Observations
6:00 Summing up
It’s still amazing how loud the riverside expressway is despite you not being too close to it
Yeah it's really unpleasant actually! I probably have the gain on my microphone a bit high too though.
Painting the pedestrian areas red is a good idea, people love a red carpet!
We do the reverse in outer London and pedestrians always pick the red cycling track.
Yeah it's not perfect. But it seems to work well.
We get people walking on the green bikeways in other parts. You just deal with it.
Cars driving in bike lanes on the other hand, nope, not having it!
Hey Chris, maybe not as much in your wheelhouse, but you may be aware that the draft standard for the updated AS 2890.1 off-street parking standard is currently on display for public comment.
One of the major changes proposed is an increase in the minimum length of a parking space, from 5.4m to 5.6m, largely to accommodate the increasing size of the upper end of the Australian fleet (e.g. from more large American cars being imported). This will mean more area is required for each car park. As Local Council parking minimums are unlikely to change, this will mean more area is required to be dedicated to vehicle parking (effectively all new car parks will need to be around 4% bigger), likely resulting in less space for cyclists and pedestrians.
Whilst there has been a bit of media coverage to date, it would be great for to hear your side, and you might be able to direct your viewers to provide comment on the standard whilst there is a chance to change it.
Yeah probably not my usual content. But it is important to push back against insidious car culture
Love the vids Chris but would love to see you make it out east more often. Gateway bridge is still 10km/h technically (not that I've seen it policed _recently_) but considering the low pedestrian volume, excellent visibility and considerable distance people are already having to travel to cross the river east of the Story bridge it would be nice to be treated like an adult with working brakes!
Good luck figuring out how to get there safely from your place - maybe V1 to Eight Mile Plains and up Bulimba creek bikeway since it doesn't connect to any other non-lethal cycling infrastructure! Certainly don't take the bike 'lane' outbound on Lytton Rd outside the "Fish Factory" or outbound on Wynnum Rd near the cemetery! BCC would probably suggest driving since there is parking available (facepalm).
I agree with this video, I used to cross this bridge to go to uni and it was great. I’d love to see you do a cycle way review on northern suburbs cycleways. Unfortunately they aren’t anywhere near as connected as the southern ones in your recent tier list.
I do intend to do a trip north and assess the bike routes. It's very disjointed
Looks like a great solution. I've often wondered if something similar would work on Pyrmont Bridge in Sydney!
I certainly like it as a solution for busy shared directional paths (so not so good in more open shared spaces). Particularly this one which is connecting one shared space to another, rather than being part of a separated cycling route.
There's a bit of a perception that you have to have formal mode separation everywhere, but I think this is one example where it's not necessary.
Plus middle of next year we will have a dedicated cycleway on Victoria Bridge, so there'll be an option for those who want to avoid the busier shared environment. Win win.
Well we don't let them walk all over the road amongst the traffic willy nilly so I guess the correct answer is yes. Just as its done in other countries where they have a better grip on how these things work.
Good vid as usual. 👍
It's such a steep descent down the Goodwill Bridge, trying to enforce a strict 20 km/h speed limit is a ridiculous notion not much better than the 10 km/h on the relatively flatter (from memory at least-been a very long time since I've crossed it) Kurilpa Bridge.
I agree. Speed limits are silly in this context.
I saw you were quoted in BT's article about this speed limit debacle. Did you see the quotes from Public Works in that same article? Apparently the speed limit is supposed to be advisory, which one would think means nobody should be getting fined anyway…Just one more way in which it's a stupid action.
Yes, lots of contradictory stuff which confirms the department has no idea what it's doing.
For now the current layout is good. But in the future when cycle traffic increases as we slowly fight for and build more infrastructure (as well as population growth) a separated cycle lane might be necessary. It would be really easy to add, just along the eastern side of the bridge leaving the western side for pedestrians with the scenic viewing platforms.
There's also platforms on the eastern side. I honestly don't see the need even with growth. It's connecting shared zone to shared zone, and then you can access higher quality separated routes once through (Bicentennial and V1).
To me this is a great way to manage it both as a through route and a destination and tourist attraction.
What I'm cranky about is what they're doing to the Bicentennial Bikeway for Queens Wharf casino...
@@ChrisCoxCycling Ah hadn't noticed the platforms on the eastern side, in that case its more difficult. The Queens Wharf casino section is awful, it needs to be changed with a separate cycleway or it will be like cycling along South Bank with the number of pedestrians. Another silly 10km/h limit!
Great info, infrastructure and legislative improvements to public transport and micromobility would be great for everyone. I wouldn't mind paying a small registration fee if it meant the aforementioned was implemented. Alas the qld government needs to feed their piggies
I would not support a registration fee. My taxes are enough. I don't expect to pay registration fees to install footpaths, so it should be no different for cycle lanes.
Oh god, I remember that horrible blue surface haha
I mercifully avoided it in the wet, but boy it was bad! The new surface has its own problems. It is terribly abrasive, so if you trip you will get cuts.
Hi Chris, what do you think about Melbourne's cycling infrastructure in comparison to Brisbane's?
I haven't seen Melbourne's infrastructure first hand, only vicariously living through various videos I've seen. The fact there actually are on street protected bike lanes in more than just two or three streets in the inner city, and one incomplete route in the inner suburbs, suggests it's already superior...
Brisbane's bike infrastructure is best along and across the river. We are passionate about our bridges and riverwalks, and we spare no expense to build them so they are a showpiece.
Unfortunately that means there's little expense to spare on anything meaningful outside of that.
More of these projects and less bike lanes on the road, simply because everyone is moving at a slower speed. I think they should also bring in a law that bikes need a bell to ring for the pedestrians who are day dreaming, its only $3 to $10 for a ringing bell.
Separated bike lanes on roads are important so people can get from A to B by bike efficiently. Off road solutions, shared paths and bridges simply can't make a bike network.
There's already a law requiring a bicycle to be fitted with a bell in Queensland (and a ridiculous fine of $154!). But mandating it be rung every time is just stupid and unnecessary.
Police were at the North side of this bridge today pulling over cyclists / scooters.
Why am I not surprised.
nah we dont need the rego free bikes on our roads.
Funny, I think the registered cars are a much bigger problem than bicycles. Might have a case of motonormativity, my dude.