Dear Ben, Lately ive been watching some of your videos, and the projects look really daring and original. So keeping that in mind.. here's the thing: I am a physically handicapped pc gamer, and im looking for an extremely lightweight gaming mouse. Basicly i have 1/20th of a normal person's finger/hand/lower arm strength, so a very light click, and extreme light weight is a must. The one I am using right now, is 80 grams and getting to heavy to use. So i thought it might be a neat idea to work on. Keep rolling out those awesome projects!
Someone needs to make a portable xbox one without a disc drive. It would strictly play digital titles but that would cut down on it's size considerably.
Eric Borenstein - Yeah or make a portable accessory that communicates with your xbox one at home. That way it wouldn't replace their flagship console, but would give people portable xbox one games.
Idk. How did he not think of this. He should have done a troll vid where he literally glues the xbox to a screen. Now that would have been a 2-1 like every other device out there. xD
Hi Ben, I'll usually use a laptop lcd for my builds, then get one of those laptop display to hdmi boards off Ebay. That is an easier way to get a smaller lcd.
+Reaper1911gr It did work, he said that it works if you insert it a certain way. In the end he just inserted it the normal way which didn't work on camera as he was just showing it for demonstration.
Princess Megabyte yeah definitely. One thing he learnt when doing the Xbox one S version. This one must of took so much time to do. He truly is incredible and very old at what he does
I hope you're wrong about discless consoles. Downloads mean less competition and higher prices. Also, there are parts of the world where downloading 10GB+ isn't viable.
Downloadable games means lower price, no artist designed packaging, no case, no physical media, no shipping to stores, no mark up so the store makes profit on top of what the producer makes. The reason an e-copy of a game still costs the same as the retail copy is because stores have a monopoly on games. If Microsoft or Sony marks down their prices 5-10$ in their e-shop, GameStop has said they will stop carrying their games. Which will directly hurt their sells because so many people still buy the physical copy. As it is right now, many people rely on the physical disk to play their games on their consoles. There are many reasons for this such as terrible internet connections, console gamers being less computer savvy, and a lack of space on a consoles hard drive for large games just to name a few. PC gamers have gotten away from that since stores no longer carry physical media for the PC in any grand scale and we have sources such as Steam which gives very reliable service and reasonable prices. I'm not going all PC masterace here. Having a physical object to show for the money you spent is nice. And I miss the boxed PC games from my youth. But it's something that is fallen by the wayside. And it will reach the consoles soon enough. To contend with your weaker internet issues, I'm fairly sure that xboxonetwo and PS5 will just be a physical box that streams video games from supercomputers. There will be no disks to buy or even games to download. You just pay a monthly service fee and play what you want when you want it, no waiting to download just pick a game and go. The only thing holding it back right now is a lack of fiber optic infrastructure to keep latency down to a reasonable level.
Chris Hicks And yet this has proven to be false. Sure, they're playing an awkward game right now of trying to keep brick and mortar stores happy by not undercutting them...but most of the time, the downloads are more expensive than retail discs...not even the same price, more expensive. Retail discs also are discounted in price far more quickly than the downloadable versions are. Little Big Planet 3 on PS4 was available from online retailers for £25 this week. It's currently £49.99 on PSN. This isn't just a console thing either...even on Steam, the prices of games like Call of Duty have gradually risen to match the price of the console versions. In theory, digital games SHOULD cost less, but in practice, it's a hugely different story. And things will not change if the next consoles are download only. You really think that publishers will willingly choose to charge less for games when gamers continue to buy them at such hugely inflated online prices despite physical versions being cheaper? A download only future would be horrible...especially if/when net neutrality is abolished. How long will it take to download 50gig+ games then?
Chris Hicks Also, the type of cloud gaming you talk about would be pretty terrible when millions of people around the world are trying to access new release games at launch. We've seen how easily online launches are screwed up even today...that will only get worse if everyone is forced to go online. Visual quality takes a hit, latency goes up, if servers drop you lose connection to the game and lose progress at the wrong times. That vision of gaming is an awful one...and I can't believe that anyone would seriously welcome that. Streaming movies is one thing, streaming games is a sub-par experience all over.
And yet there are steam sells a couple times a year with games as much as 75% off where instead of the paying $50, you're only paying $12.50. And there is the no tax either. The publisher will make more money selling 10,000 steam sell copies (which isn't an unreasonable number) at $12.50 a pop ($125,000) than the 1000 copies at full price ($50,000). There are lots of people that will not pay full price for a game. Buying a used game from gamestop gives $0 to developers and publishers. So they need a way to market their product at a competitive price. Buying a game at a lower price is the only way some people can afford to play games, and steam sells cause people to binge buy games adding dollars to developers pockets they'd otherwise never see. The Sony and Microsoft stores lack vision and proper monitoring of pricing. They throw it up there at full price at leave it that way. Where it appears steam allows the publisher of the game to set the price actively to bring in more money.
I dealt with that same issue with the drive. Take the outside metal shell off (top and bottom) and it should work at an angle. The unit itself is contained and doesn't actually need the metal shell to function. The magnet inside is secured already and from what I have seen the metal case actually stops the drive from engaging fully when at an angle.
I'd like a bit of detail on how the actual unit was cooled at the end, there was no fan on the main heatsink and that single psu fan isn't cooling that thing.
***** you seem to know quite bit about this device, atleast it seems more than even Ben because his work looks quite sloppy and I'm not even a software or mechatronics engineer, haha. How heavy do you think that device must be, from the way he was flipping it around it seemed like I would actually be carryin the wait of atleast 1 xbox one lol.
Tha tablet is a great idea, specially if it was touch screen saving you the need to plug you controllers into the unit to turn it off or turn music on etc. I mention the controllers since most peeps charge them on a separate unit like a docking station near a power outlet. Awesome mini series even if i don't understand electronics its nice to see it come together stage by stage
MegaNight They're currently hard at work with their no-ships, all according to plan. Better not distract them, the golden path doesn't fulfill itself, you know.
Regarding the Blu-ray drive, you could always convert the drive to an external SATA device. So, when you need the drive, just connect it externally and have it lie flat on the table.
It seems like that is the direction that most console makers are going but there is still the one issue that most ISP's have caused is the bandwidth cap limits on most accounts here in Canada. I have to completely agree with Bobbypaycheque that Optical media isn't dead and hope it continues that way. Love the show... keep up the great work.
This may be 5 years out of date, but have you ever thought about using the Sony XEL-1 11" OLED TV for projects like these. The small size and separate connection location could help out
I would have went for a laptop version, mostly because of two reasons. You can make it asthetically more appealing if its primary components were at the bottom fold and the monitor on top. The second reason is to provide more viewing angles while still being independently stable on a flat surface. All in all great build.
Optical media is dead... _if_ you don't mind _not_ playing any of your old disc games and prefer to purchase them _again_ (if they're even available in digital form) if the system that _can_ play them breaks, _if_ you trust companies to allow a digital copy of a game to be resold/traded by anyone who now possesses it (Xbox One only allows a game to be resold once and after that the new owner's stuck with it) AKA if you don't mind not truly owning the game but rather licensing it (and who knows if they'll change licensing agreements in the future for the worse), _and_ if you trust companies will start/continue to allow games to be lent. *When I say "disc games" I'm talking about "game stays on the disc" games (games that stay on the disc and that are not installed, and that still require the disc to play). I'm NOT talking about "installation disc" games that Xbox One uses (because installation discs have the same licensing restrictions).*
SpaceMyName Supposedly the laws on ripping/backing up games and movies are different than ripping music, in the US at least (_even if_ you own and keep the original disc. From my understanding it's illegal to bypass any anti-piracy technology); so it depends on how _legal_ one wants to keep things (unless they change the law or unless I'm mistaken). *Also, I had other reasons I listed (**_legally_** reselling/trading/lending and actually owning the game as opposed to just the license).* I understand digital is superior from a technical standpoint but physical is better from an owning the game (not having to deal with licensing crap) standpoint.
SpaceMyName There's one major flaw with removing optical media, not everyone has the possibility to get a decent internet. Until cheap fast internet is available to almost everyone in the US, optical media will not die
Neo Theatre Even when you buy a physical copy of the game you're still only purchasing a legal license to it no different than a digital license. A large number of games when you purchase the physical copy still require digital verification as evidence of this fact.
metsubo Yeah, I reedited my original post to specify I was talking about "game on disc" games (games that stay on the disc and that are _not_ installed, _and_ that still require the disc to play) being a good thing, NOT installation discs. Sorry if I didn't explain myself well. I know the instillation discs deal with the same licensing stuff. But "game on disc" games can still be resold and lent without any restrictions unlike digital games.
lucario plays videogames. In essence, but not quite. I meant a desktop PC small enough to be portable without having to lose performance in exchange for portability. (maybe achievable with a mini-ITX board)
+noah roberts It has already been done by ASUS I think, I remember seeing one on LinusTechTips. The system has a desktop i7 and desktop GPU with MASSIVE heat pipes to keep it cool enough to run without loss in performance..... Its a pretty cool idea but really expensive.
laptops are portable, they use the exact same type and form factor drive, unless someone plans on handling it roughly there is no problem with a mechanical drive, the blueray drive is more fragile when spun up than an HDD is
I know it's a bit late now, but I'd recommend making the optical drive detachable. So, you could pop it off, and use it, temporarily, to load your disc. And I suggest making it detachable, just so you don't have to carry it separately.
***** He put it on top of the heat sink, if you look at the Xbox One Factory fan, it's slim enough to go on top of the CPU/GPU and with the vent on! So before you go on and guess the wrong stuff, please, get your facts straight!
***** How is saying, "It didn't!" any different from speculation? He even said near the end of assembly, "the last thing to do is add the speakers and the _fans_."
***** The fan for the Xbox One is actually quite thin compared to the fan for the 360 or a standard PC fan. The stand being in the way it's too much of a issue when you take into account that it's an exhaust vent and not an intake. It would be much worse if it was an intake. Still maybe not the best idea to have your exhaust vent immediately in front of the stand, but unlikely to cause any real issue.
Alex Atkin Admittedly, it is strange that he didn't show it, but I doubt an experienced electronical engineer like Ben Heck would just leave it without a fan.
Thing I would have done different...since he asked, not that I'm a builder myself: Not have the case that's supposed to keep the screen protected as the stand, bits of dirt, crumbs etc may get stuck on it and then get pressed/rubbed against the screen negating it's reason for being there. Something like the Surface Pro's removable keyboards may have a better idea there, where you can remove it via magnets and use a built in stand instead to prop it up.
I would have gone for a laptop style build myself but this idea was really good. I think the heat will be less of an issue for this style than a laptop build.
I would have used black plastic for the case all the way through the build instead of adding black vinyl as an afterthought. I think it would look just fine as a raw product as well. But then again the show isn't as much about aesthetics as it is about making the product usable so its a minor gripe. Amazing job my friend.
Ben & Cast - Have you thought of a Large all-in one? I.E. A Super Smart TV..... Start with a large flat panel, add a X-Box One & PS4 internally, Maybe a Raspberry Pie and one of those windows sticks PC...... All Wall mountable for a super size true entertainment device..... Just a thought. Other Items could be a steam box, Built in cam for skype and ect.... Could use the rasperry pie for primary "Smart" menu and controller for sharing the Webcam and other add-ons. Same concept could be built in a projector for portability. Thoughts?
The idea is great, However, it will very quickly become out dated as technological advances and the development of more effective internal hardware i.e. better cooling fans and the PS5 and new XBOX systems would atleast I hope outclass the PS4 and XBOX One systems. My next concern is power. The power that this thing would require would probably be around just a guess 1000w to anywhere around 2000w easily if you are going to incorporate a PS4 XBOX One Steam and computer like traits. Now moving on to my next concern. Weight. plain and simple. Weight. The PS4 weighs roughly 5 pounds and I am assuming an XBOX is somewhat close to that. now add that strain on a wall-mounted TV stand adding close to 80-120 lbs on to a stand with bolts drilled into wood, the strain if someone were to displace that weight i.e. hanging on it for balance or just a child hanging on it thinking its a game. Surely I assume would exceed the weight limit and either rip the mount off the wall or snapping the structual supports its bolted to in your home causing imminent failure of either the mount or the wood. Next up is Size. This device is going to be fat certainly not pleasing to consumers or relatively the human eye anymore. But the components in this would certainly please consumers. Next is price. If you were to make this you are going to be looking at close to 1300 dollars. This is too expensive to put all into one thing and worst case scenario it fails to work and ends up screwing everything over.
Hopefully they move to cartridge-based gaming like Nintendo has moved back to. Larger storage, faster data transfer speeds and lower manufacturing costs, not to mention the abundance of room it frees up not having to stuff a giant optical drive into any console.
Cause people want a physical copy, i can understand. In maybe 15 years you want your kids to play the console or maybe you. You think the online store is still active and so on.
Funny how optical media is still as relevant as it was 5 years ago (maybe MORE since pretty much everyone has 4K TVs now so I'm sure UHD Bluray is a bit more of a thing). Granted, it was niche back then, but optical media just won't die and I'm very happy about that. Here's one not so surprised person at the latest consoles having optical media!
I still use optical media at times. It's more convenient when you don't have high speed internet to rely on, and want to keep a copy available without cluttering up a flash drive. I have a collection of Linux live DVDs that I keep on actual discs. For older computers they can be a great solution to diagnostic needs.
BUHAHAHAH , sony´s PS3 and 4´s optical drive works an an agle im amazed that the XBONE fails at that ... oh well , sony invented the BR drive/disk so i gues M$ just cant handle it (maybe they shud go back to DVD´s like the 360 had haha )
I would have tried to include some kind of battery, if you need to plug it into the wall, it seems kind of pointless to have. Even if I would only get like an hour out of it, it would still be a nice thing to have. Also I would have tried to use a non-reflective screen or foil, because when you can't change the angle, you might get a lot of problems with that I guess. But it's a really nice build and looks great.
The end result is pretty big. Why didn't you just slap a flip up screen on a pre-existing XB1 and call it a day? Cool build though. I'm envious of your workshop.
I like the design of this, why make a laptop when don't need a keyboard? And the tablet look and cover/kickstand make it look like a real modern day gadget! As always, great work Ben!
Nice build, but probably easier just to buy one of those carry cases with the monitor built in to it...looks great though...maybe next gen will follow a similar design with built in display and option to connect to bigger display!
the disc did work. he didn't opt to play it, he just inserted it for demonstration purposes. place the disc slightly too high into the slot then roll it down and in and it works every time. simple.
isit this just a laptop with out a keyboard surely a tablet can only be classes as a tablet because of the touch screen capability? i could be wrong it just a general observtion
I would have tried for a vertical feed blu-ray as the drive is gravity based. The fix for a X-1 not reading discs is to wedge it to a different angle. I do wonder if this was considered, as it was not shown in the video series.
Great project loved the fact that you can get away from the touch sensitive panel by adding external buttons to the motherboard .... but cant find where to attach the sync.. any help would be great so i can finish my project.
Ben I think you did a great job, but i think it's not really portable if it doesn't have some portable power source, you could add some lipo cells in a layer that could add to around 12v 15-20amps of power probably enough to run everything for one or two hours or you can make it a laptop and add even more cells to the bottom and make it 'thinner' by splitting it in half just like a laptop (that would make the bluray drive work in the right position), also the cooling solution doesn't seem good enough for a hardcore gamer i still think that's gonna overheat after a few hours if not sooner.. but again really nice job!
just wondering did you keep the hdmi inputs as well? if you didnt, i would have kept those so it would also work as a monitor if need be but i do like the tablet idea, so that way there's less moving parts and its less likely to break, and a handle would be nice, make it like a briefcase
awesome stuff!!! your videos are amazing thank you for putting out such in depth material. I myself have been making a few videos i was wondering if you have any pointers? thanks
Hi Ben, really like your show, has inspired me to learn electronics and relearn programming. I came across it looking for pi mods and have since been watching the show from the beginning, 138 episodes in now. Btw does someone leave their phone on silent, I keep hearing a vibrating noise, happens a lot in later episodes. Just thought I'd mention it incase no one noticed. Keep up the good work.
Ben if you think back to the 360's if you had one standing vertical like how you mocked this up if the system got shaken or bumped in anyway it would leave a ring around the disk making is useless to never work again. Thats probably why they designed the one to be flat only to eliminate people destroying their disks. just an idea.
Hey Kinnect 2.0 is actually good, i use mine all the time , its great for browsing videos when you eat and don't want to muck up your controller, Voice commands are still a little 50/50 for me though but in a quiet environment the commands can work really well ... Plus logging in with facial recognition NEVER gets old
Why do you have to disparage the Kinect at every turn? But, seriously, a 19 inch version would be fantastic, lots of space for a huge lithium battery pack, with a screen for four.
In stead of putting the Blue-Ray drive into the portable, you could have put connectors on to the side and build a case for the Drive. so if you need it, you can plug it in :)
I would have tried a different blu-ray player. Maybe one from the same manufacturer. I'd also have added some kind of carrying handle. Also, why couldn't the sata cable be replaced with a longer one rather than be cut and extended?
I think its amazing above and beyond anything I would have made in terms of slimness. Just wondering if there happens to be a Xbox one slim will u try and make a thinner and without a optical drive tablet of it?
I would've definitely used a smaller screen. It made the whole thing quite bulky. Other suggestion: since It's so bulky it would be nice to cram it full of batteries and make it 'portable'. All in all I think it has become a really cool project.
Some thoughts, on making it thinner (what I might have done). Would it be possible to replace the XBox power supply, with something smaller/thinner? Or make it external? Possibly relocate that heatsink, instead of keeping the default heatsink? (I know that adds risk) Did MS tie the optical drive to the unit again (like the 360)? If not, would it be possible to substitute the optical drive, with one from a laptop? Not to start a console war, but personally, I would have done this with a PS4, since it's fairly slim already. Then again, that's also the system I chose, for this generation of consoles.
if I were going to build one I would probably make the tablet version because ever one has thought of making a xbox one into a laptop but no one has even attempted a tablet and that is why I always follow your projects
It does look big and clunky but still very cool. Just thinking sort of crazy, I wonder if you could make a smaller package and leverage one of those pocket projectors and a piece of first-surface mirror from an old projection TV to make a rear projection setup that might yield a larger viewing area but then collapses for portability... It certainly would not be as bright and sharp, nor would it have much of a viewing angle. Never mind - I just talked my self out of it.
I like the tablet idea, and I don't think it was too big. I could see esily taking that to a friend's house, or on vacation. the only part that bothered me was the BR drive. I don't mind fiddly, as long as it works consistently, so that I would have to know that it was going to work as long and well as a normal XBONE, even if I had to eject the disc now and then to get it to read.
i dont know if xbox has proprietary blueray drives, but couldn't he have used a different one that worked at an angle since most off the shelf pc parts run sata these days?
sorry ben you are wrong on the optical media front. image quality, internet stability/availability and ownership issues make the optical media superior to digital only.
Optical Media isn't dead in fact it may see a renaissance in coming years. With more and more ISPs putting up data caps (my 3megabit connection has a 10 gb per month hard data cap), it's just easier to buy hard copies.
It's a cool project. But I would consider putting the disk drive on the top of the case. It could fix the insert disc problem, cause the disk wouldn't fall to the side of the drive. Also the heat sink on the top would help the airflow. Hot air moves up;)
Ben, I LOVE your show! Honestly, your creativity is such an enrichment and I really wish I had the abilities that you have. I have so many ideas and designs in mind, but don't even know where to start... I lack so much knowledge.. T - T
Did anyone notice at the end that the Blu-ray drive still didn't read the Assassin's Creed disc?
Yep :(
Yeah literally just now LOL
meendog28 yes
Yeah, but just needs to be tilted before loading a disc is all.
Dear Ben,
Lately ive been watching some of your videos, and the projects look really daring and original. So keeping that in mind.. here's the thing:
I am a physically handicapped pc gamer, and im looking for an extremely lightweight gaming mouse. Basicly i have 1/20th of a normal person's finger/hand/lower arm strength, so a very light click, and extreme light weight is a must.
The one I am using right now, is 80 grams and getting to heavy to use.
So i thought it might be a neat idea to work on.
Keep rolling out those awesome projects!
Like how they barely showcase the finish product at all. they show it for like 40 seconds.
This reminds me of "portable" electronics of the 80s and the 90s. Love it!
Someone needs to make a portable xbox one without a disc drive. It would strictly play digital titles but that would cut down on it's size considerably.
I don't mean an official release. Just a modded console by someone like this guy.
DrizzlingDrizzlers you don't own the digital games you buy shmuck.
That's why I don't buy them. All my digital titles were free.
DrizzlingDrizzlers 100% agree my friend! $250 each unit Microsoft should cost it.
Eric Borenstein - Yeah or make a portable accessory that communicates with your xbox one at home. That way it wouldn't replace their flagship console, but would give people portable xbox one games.
i think the screen is the perfect size. too small and hd is just not fun to look at. thinner is what youre looking for.
Kinda late to put under the tree, don't you think Ben xD
My Christmas tree is currently outside in my garden dying, so it probably wouldn't be a good idea to put it under there.
***** It was a joke. -_-
***** - Most likely not. This video was published today but the video recording could have been finished a month ago.
He recorded this in the future and went back in time to post it, but not far enough.
Theres always a Christmas comming!
Looked great finished, can't believe how much effort you guys put into these projects. Congrats
how much thinner is it than if you just glued the xbox 1 to the back?
*****
It looks a lot cleaner, and Ben said in the end he didn't like the size due to the HDMI limitations.
If you count the external PSUs? A fair bit.
Idk. How did he not think of this. He should have done a troll vid where he literally glues the xbox to a screen. Now that would have been a 2-1 like every other device out there. xD
Hi Ben, I'll usually use a laptop lcd for my builds, then get one of those laptop display to hdmi boards off Ebay. That is an easier way to get a smaller lcd.
The disk drive didnt work at then end...
+Michael Davison i noticed that too haha
+Reaper1911gr
It did work, he said that it works if you insert it a certain way. In the end he just inserted it the normal way which didn't work on camera as he was just showing it for demonstration.
+Michael Davison I think maybe the xbox parts should have been on the bottom like a laptop,so the bluray drive was flat
Princess Megabyte yeah definitely. One thing he learnt when doing the Xbox one S version. This one must of took so much time to do. He truly is incredible and very old at what he does
This is awesome. Are you going to sell it? Or not?
I hope you're wrong about discless consoles. Downloads mean less competition and higher prices. Also, there are parts of the world where downloading 10GB+ isn't viable.
Downloadable games means lower price, no artist designed packaging, no case, no physical media, no shipping to stores, no mark up so the store makes profit on top of what the producer makes.
The reason an e-copy of a game still costs the same as the retail copy is because stores have a monopoly on games. If Microsoft or Sony marks down their prices 5-10$ in their e-shop, GameStop has said they will stop carrying their games. Which will directly hurt their sells because so many people still buy the physical copy.
As it is right now, many people rely on the physical disk to play their games on their consoles. There are many reasons for this such as terrible internet connections, console gamers being less computer savvy, and a lack of space on a consoles hard drive for large games just to name a few.
PC gamers have gotten away from that since stores no longer carry physical media for the PC in any grand scale and we have sources such as Steam which gives very reliable service and reasonable prices.
I'm not going all PC masterace here. Having a physical object to show for the money you spent is nice. And I miss the boxed PC games from my youth. But it's something that is fallen by the wayside. And it will reach the consoles soon enough.
To contend with your weaker internet issues, I'm fairly sure that xboxonetwo and PS5 will just be a physical box that streams video games from supercomputers. There will be no disks to buy or even games to download. You just pay a monthly service fee and play what you want when you want it, no waiting to download just pick a game and go. The only thing holding it back right now is a lack of fiber optic infrastructure to keep latency down to a reasonable level.
Chris Hicks
And yet this has proven to be false. Sure, they're playing an awkward game right now of trying to keep brick and mortar stores happy by not undercutting them...but most of the time, the downloads are more expensive than retail discs...not even the same price, more expensive. Retail discs also are discounted in price far more quickly than the downloadable versions are. Little Big Planet 3 on PS4 was available from online retailers for £25 this week. It's currently £49.99 on PSN.
This isn't just a console thing either...even on Steam, the prices of games like Call of Duty have gradually risen to match the price of the console versions.
In theory, digital games SHOULD cost less, but in practice, it's a hugely different story. And things will not change if the next consoles are download only. You really think that publishers will willingly choose to charge less for games when gamers continue to buy them at such hugely inflated online prices despite physical versions being cheaper? A download only future would be horrible...especially if/when net neutrality is abolished. How long will it take to download 50gig+ games then?
Chris Hicks
Also, the type of cloud gaming you talk about would be pretty terrible when millions of people around the world are trying to access new release games at launch. We've seen how easily online launches are screwed up even today...that will only get worse if everyone is forced to go online. Visual quality takes a hit, latency goes up, if servers drop you lose connection to the game and lose progress at the wrong times. That vision of gaming is an awful one...and I can't believe that anyone would seriously welcome that. Streaming movies is one thing, streaming games is a sub-par experience all over.
Chris Hicks So if every had Google Fiber then this would be possible.
but yeah i hate gamestop for doing that.
And yet there are steam sells a couple times a year with games as much as 75% off where instead of the paying $50, you're only paying $12.50. And there is the no tax either. The publisher will make more money selling 10,000 steam sell copies (which isn't an unreasonable number) at $12.50 a pop ($125,000) than the 1000 copies at full price ($50,000).
There are lots of people that will not pay full price for a game. Buying a used game from gamestop gives $0 to developers and publishers. So they need a way to market their product at a competitive price. Buying a game at a lower price is the only way some people can afford to play games, and steam sells cause people to binge buy games adding dollars to developers pockets they'd otherwise never see.
The Sony and Microsoft stores lack vision and proper monitoring of pricing. They throw it up there at full price at leave it that way. Where it appears steam allows the publisher of the game to set the price actively to bring in more money.
I dealt with that same issue with the drive. Take the outside metal shell off (top and bottom) and it should work at an angle. The unit itself is contained and doesn't actually need the metal shell to function. The magnet inside is secured already and from what I have seen the metal case actually stops the drive from engaging fully when at an angle.
How would I make an Xbox One tablet? Not using an Xbox One.
Watch part 1,2+3 idiot. He does exactly what you just asked
You by a fucking hearing aid. HE uses all the parts of an xbox one just not the case idiot
Mattie Richmond *Facepalm* Read my comment. I said I'd not use an Xbox one. I'd NOT. NOT. Do you NOT know what it means? I would use parts from a PC.
Yeah you can't build an Xbox One tablet without a GODDAMNED XBOX YOU DUMBASS
Oh my dear goodness we have found earth's biggest spastic fittogan
I don`t consider it portable until it`s battery powered.
well fuq u too evN 🙃
I’d consider it more of an Xbox TV
portable is portable you can easily take it with you
Did it actually work cause the disk drive still said insert disk at the end of the video after you put the game in
That Dreamcast edition was already mad but this one really took my brain to some new atmosphere era...
2:47 - Predicts Future. Guess we know where Microsoft got it's idea. 2019 - First Major console to be announced disc-less.
I'd like a bit of detail on how the actual unit was cooled at the end, there was no fan on the main heatsink and that single psu fan isn't cooling that thing.
Good job but it needs to be thicker.
***** you seem to know quite bit about this device, atleast it seems more than even Ben because his work looks quite sloppy and I'm not even a software or mechatronics engineer, haha. How heavy do you think that device must be, from the way he was flipping it around it seemed like I would actually be carryin the wait of atleast 1 xbox one lol.
Kul Zaze Woah wait. Are you saying that the Xbox One... weighs as much as an Xbox One? Who knew??
Brayton Larson Lol xD
Needs more cow bell.
Critz McGritz
I gotta have more cowbell.
Tha tablet is a great idea, specially if it was touch screen saving you the need to plug you controllers into the unit to turn it off or turn music on etc.
I mention the controllers since most peeps charge them on a separate unit like a docking station near a power outlet.
Awesome mini series even if i don't understand electronics its nice to see it come together stage by stage
How dare you tell me optical media are dead! My LaserDiscs are eternal!
I have 2001 on LaserDisc still
I was pretty sure you preferred Ridulian Crystal Paper?
MegaNight Only for reading purposes, even in the year 13000 AG, e-books haven't managed to include proper video playback.
Perhaps something you could ask the Ixians to look into?
MegaNight They're currently hard at work with their no-ships, all according to plan. Better not distract them, the golden path doesn't fulfill itself, you know.
I like the giant tablet design very cool! I would like to see that screen in a miniature coin-op style cabinet that like a Neo-Geo inspired thing.
For the next project: hacking a full game system into a WiiU controller.
It's called the Nintendo Switch
Buy the switch or at the time this comment was written the NX
@@DaviLeGOAT I think you missed the point.
No I do
Check out my Xbox 360 portable
Regarding the Blu-ray drive, you could always convert the drive to an external SATA device. So, when you need the drive, just connect it externally and have it lie flat on the table.
You should sell these cause I sure as heck want one
+gamekiller 10 pun intended?
FINALLY AFTER 4 WEEKS IVE WORKED NON STOP ON THIS THANK YOUUU!!!
do this with the xbox one s
it isn't actually native 4k it's upscaled.
is the only downside of upscaled 4k that the graphics processor doesn't necessarily make the best predictions on how to duplicate/enlarge pixels?
Callum Eldridge same console smart one
DotCD I think you may have made a breakthrough. You successfully found the most bratty way to insult someone
DotCD well he did it
It seems like that is the direction that most console makers are going but there is still the one issue that most ISP's have caused is the bandwidth cap limits on most accounts here in Canada. I have to completely agree with Bobbypaycheque
that Optical media isn't dead and hope it continues that way. Love the show... keep up the great work.
I can't believe you made the Xbox One portable! Do the same for the PS4 and Wii U!
8th gen consoles really suck, not surprising you can do this. They're EXTREMELY underpowered.
+Jordan McAnulty nope.avi
***** do you own one?
***** How?
***** I do, and it's not. search it up on google images.
This may be 5 years out of date, but have you ever thought about using the Sony XEL-1 11" OLED TV for projects like these. The small size and separate connection location could help out
When you realize that The Ben Heck Show is brought to us by silicon
Ben I still like the good old CD's when it comes to music and movies. Drivers and utilities as we know you can get anywhere online.
You should remake it with the xbox one s
Mr. COMEDY. They are the same with the only difference being the xbox one s has smaller fans... and a higher gpu clock
I would have went for a laptop version, mostly because of two reasons. You can make it asthetically more appealing if its primary components were at the bottom fold and the monitor on top. The second reason is to provide more viewing angles while still being independently stable on a flat surface. All in all great build.
Optical media is dead...
_if_ you don't mind _not_ playing any of your old disc games and prefer to purchase them _again_ (if they're even available in digital form) if the system that _can_ play them breaks,
_if_ you trust companies to allow a digital copy of a game to be resold/traded by anyone who now possesses it (Xbox One only allows a game to be resold once and after that the new owner's stuck with it) AKA if you don't mind not truly owning the game but rather licensing it (and who knows if they'll change licensing agreements in the future for the worse),
_and_ if you trust companies will start/continue to allow games to be lent.
*When I say "disc games" I'm talking about "game stays on the disc" games (games that stay on the disc and that are not installed, and that still require the disc to play). I'm NOT talking about "installation disc" games that Xbox One uses (because installation discs have the same licensing restrictions).*
SpaceMyName Supposedly the laws on ripping/backing up games and movies are different than ripping music, in the US at least (_even if_ you own and keep the original disc. From my understanding it's illegal to bypass any anti-piracy technology); so it depends on how _legal_ one wants to keep things (unless they change the law or unless I'm mistaken). *Also, I had other reasons I listed (**_legally_** reselling/trading/lending and actually owning the game as opposed to just the license).*
I understand digital is superior from a technical standpoint but physical is better from an owning the game (not having to deal with licensing crap) standpoint.
SpaceMyName There's one major flaw with removing optical media, not everyone has the possibility to get a decent internet. Until cheap fast internet is available to almost everyone in the US, optical media will not die
Neo Theatre Even when you buy a physical copy of the game you're still only purchasing a legal license to it no different than a digital license. A large number of games when you purchase the physical copy still require digital verification as evidence of this fact.
metsubo Yeah, I reedited my original post to specify I was talking about "game on disc" games (games that stay on the disc and that are _not_ installed, _and_ that still require the disc to play) being a good thing, NOT installation discs. Sorry if I didn't explain myself well. I know the instillation discs deal with the same licensing stuff. But "game on disc" games can still be resold and lent without any restrictions unlike digital games.
Would it have been thinner if he had made it into a laptop style instead of a tablet style? Also, the Blu-ray would have worked better then?
Why not just make a portable gaming PC? (request)
so a gaming laptop
lucario plays videogames. In essence, but not quite. I meant a desktop PC small enough to be portable without having to lose performance in exchange for portability. (maybe achievable with a mini-ITX board)
yeah that would be cool
+noah roberts It has already been done by ASUS I think, I remember seeing one on LinusTechTips. The system has a desktop i7 and desktop GPU with MASSIVE heat pipes to keep it cool enough to run without loss in performance..... Its a pretty cool idea but really expensive.
+noah roberts i call it a "gaming laptop"
Knowledge, patience, skill, vision and creativity. 100 percent A plus. A credit to humanity. :)
the tablet thing is nice but it will be better if you make a case for the blu ray and make it external
***** because 500GB SSD's are cheap
you know, because thats comparable to a $50 or $60 1 TB Mechanical drive
laptops are portable, they use the exact same type and form factor drive, unless someone plans on handling it roughly there is no problem with a mechanical drive, the blueray drive is more fragile when spun up than an HDD is
it would be very simple to and you could probably do bluetooth 2
***** there is nothing that won't alow a normal 1 TB laptop hard drive to be put in instead
do you sell your finished products? I'm pretty sure a lot of people would fight to have one of these.
tape a 20 inch display to a ps4, you'll get better results
lol they make a screen attachment for it looks like. laptop
I know it's a bit late now, but I'd recommend making the optical drive detachable. So, you could pop it off, and use it, temporarily, to load your disc. And I suggest making it detachable, just so you don't have to carry it separately.
How did the Cpu fan fit in?
*****
He put it on top of the heat sink, if you look at the Xbox One Factory fan, it's slim enough to go on top of the CPU/GPU and with the vent on! So before you go on and guess the wrong stuff, please, get your facts straight!
*****
How is saying, "It didn't!" any different from speculation? He even said near the end of assembly, "the last thing to do is add the speakers and the _fans_."
*****
The fan for the Xbox One is actually quite thin compared to the fan for the 360 or a standard PC fan. The stand being in the way it's too much of a issue when you take into account that it's an exhaust vent and not an intake. It would be much worse if it was an intake. Still maybe not the best idea to have your exhaust vent immediately in front of the stand, but unlikely to cause any real issue.
Neonemerld I just was puzzled that he didn't actually show how the fan fitted, just a big hole then BAM finished.
Alex Atkin
Admittedly, it is strange that he didn't show it, but I doubt an experienced electronical engineer like Ben Heck would just leave it without a fan.
Thing I would have done different...since he asked, not that I'm a builder myself:
Not have the case that's supposed to keep the screen protected as the stand, bits of dirt, crumbs etc may get stuck on it and then get pressed/rubbed against the screen negating it's reason for being there.
Something like the Surface Pro's removable keyboards may have a better idea there, where you can remove it via magnets and use a built in stand instead to prop it up.
I'm pretty sure this guy will be the first man to ever event a flying car
Someone already did.
Ok dokie now hug me
+imYellow:) no one has ever evented one but someone has invented one
+Bacon Blitz oh yeah your right
he will make it but it will be a microwave mod of something lmao
I would have gone for a laptop style build myself but this idea was really good. I think the heat will be less of an issue for this style than a laptop build.
not really a portable if you still have a power cable attached on the left
I would have used black plastic for the case all the way through the build instead of adding black vinyl as an afterthought. I think it would look just fine as a raw product as well. But then again the show isn't as much about aesthetics as it is about making the product usable so its a minor gripe. Amazing job my friend.
Sorry to say this, but that looked like a lot of effort for very questionable results.
Ben & Cast - Have you thought of a Large all-in one? I.E. A Super Smart TV..... Start with a large flat panel, add a X-Box One & PS4 internally, Maybe a Raspberry Pie and one of those windows sticks PC...... All Wall mountable for a super size true entertainment device..... Just a thought. Other Items could be a steam box, Built in cam for skype and ect.... Could use the rasperry pie for primary "Smart" menu and controller for sharing the Webcam and other add-ons.
Same concept could be built in a projector for portability. Thoughts?
The idea is great, However, it will very quickly become out dated as technological advances and the development of more effective internal hardware i.e. better cooling fans and the PS5 and new XBOX systems would atleast I hope outclass the PS4 and XBOX One systems. My next concern is power. The power that this thing would require would probably be around just a guess 1000w to anywhere around 2000w easily if you are going to incorporate a PS4 XBOX One Steam and computer like traits. Now moving on to my next concern. Weight. plain and simple. Weight. The PS4 weighs roughly 5 pounds and I am assuming an XBOX is somewhat close to that. now add that strain on a wall-mounted TV stand adding close to 80-120 lbs on to a stand with bolts drilled into wood, the strain if someone were to displace that weight i.e. hanging on it for balance or just a child hanging on it thinking its a game. Surely I assume would exceed the weight limit and either rip the mount off the wall or snapping the structual supports its bolted to in your home causing imminent failure of either the mount or the wood. Next up is Size. This device is going to be fat certainly not pleasing to consumers or relatively the human eye anymore. But the components in this would certainly please consumers. Next is price. If you were to make this you are going to be looking at close to 1300 dollars. This is too expensive to put all into one thing and worst case scenario it fails to work and ends up screwing everything over.
If the next consoles are disc-less i will not be buying one
brandon whitson why?
brandon whitson I will buy it but will be disappointed
Hopefully they move to cartridge-based gaming like Nintendo has moved back to. Larger storage, faster data transfer speeds and lower manufacturing costs, not to mention the abundance of room it frees up not having to stuff a giant optical drive into any console.
+Jakob Kaelin Don't forget failure (cough cough PS3 cough cough)
Cause people want a physical copy, i can understand. In maybe 15 years you want your kids to play the console or maybe you. You think the online store is still active and so on.
Funny how optical media is still as relevant as it was 5 years ago (maybe MORE since pretty much everyone has 4K TVs now so I'm sure UHD Bluray is a bit more of a thing). Granted, it was niche back then, but optical media just won't die and I'm very happy about that. Here's one not so surprised person at the latest consoles having optical media!
A laptop would have been better. This is not a tablet that's a table.
It’s awesome, the tablet idea is perfect. Only thing it needed was a massive battery pack instead of those power supplies.
Blu-Ray sucks... HD-DVD is the future
#vcrconsolemasterrace
You can make a custom plug and custom case for the bluray and plug it in whenever you want
You can, but do you want to is the question!
Surface Xbox.
+dimmddr1 Surface One.
I think this is actually more practical than that of the laptop. It would be great to make something like this for the gaming PC. Great work!!
Or just buy a entry grade gaming laptop -3-
HDMG And play all those Xbox One exclusives on it...?
FifaHdVidz Or not.
***** Out of which a good 9/10 are shovelware and early access shit. No thanks.
athest7 you know not everybody cares abour exclusives...
athest7 Does the Xbone even have 10 exclusives? Are any of them any good?
I doubt both.
I still use optical media at times. It's more convenient when you don't have high speed internet to rely on, and want to keep a copy available without cluttering up a flash drive.
I have a collection of Linux live DVDs that I keep on actual discs. For older computers they can be a great solution to diagnostic needs.
BUHAHAHAH , sony´s PS3 and 4´s optical drive works an an agle im amazed that the XBONE fails at that ... oh well , sony invented the BR drive/disk so i gues M$ just cant handle it (maybe they shud go back to DVD´s like the 360 had haha )
Well MS dont make those drives and Sony didnt invent blu-ray by it self. Phillips and Pioneer was part of it.
It wasn't because it was at an angle, it was because he was doing a shyte job of feeding the disc in I thought he discovered close to the end?
ronaldo duran no. He chose Xbox cause he loves them... When he made the portable 360 he even said that. Even when he made the Kinect glove.
Dumb fuck. They bought the BR drive off sony.
Schlablaba Dingdong Xbox one drives are from liteon.
I would have tried to include some kind of battery, if you need to plug it into the wall, it seems kind of pointless to have. Even if I would only get like an hour out of it, it would still be a nice thing to have.
Also I would have tried to use a non-reflective screen or foil, because when you can't change the angle, you might get a lot of problems with that I guess.
But it's a really nice build and looks great.
Please show more of the finished projects!
I kinda missed that you didn't even play a game on the thing...
The end result is pretty big. Why didn't you just slap a flip up screen on a pre-existing XB1 and call it a day?
Cool build though. I'm envious of your workshop.
I like the design of this, why make a laptop when don't need a keyboard? And the tablet look and cover/kickstand make it look like a real modern day gadget! As always, great work Ben!
Nice build, but probably easier just to buy one of those carry cases with the monitor built in to it...looks great though...maybe next gen will follow a similar design with built in display and option to connect to bigger display!
the disc did work. he didn't opt to play it, he just inserted it for demonstration purposes. place the disc slightly too high into the slot then roll it down and in and it works every time. simple.
for the sata connector, why not just buy a longer one? sure it will have some left over, but it is sure to work.
isit this just a laptop with out a keyboard surely a tablet can only be classes as a tablet because of the touch screen capability? i could be wrong it just a general observtion
I would have tried for a vertical feed blu-ray as the drive is gravity based. The fix for a X-1 not reading discs is to wedge it to a different angle. I do wonder if this was considered, as it was not shown in the video series.
Great project loved the fact that you can get away from the touch sensitive panel by adding external buttons to the motherboard .... but cant find where to attach the sync.. any help would be great so i can finish my project.
The tablet idea is really cool. Most Xbox portables are horiable copy's of the psvita, but this is very creative
Ben I think you did a great job, but i think it's not really portable if it doesn't have some portable power source, you could add some lipo cells in a layer that could add to around 12v 15-20amps of power probably enough to run everything for one or two hours or you can make it a laptop and add even more cells to the bottom and make it 'thinner' by splitting it in half just like a laptop (that would make the bluray drive work in the right position), also the cooling solution doesn't seem good enough for a hardcore gamer i still think that's gonna overheat after a few hours if not sooner.. but again really nice job!
awsome build. i love the way u explain everything step by step butt still keeping it fun and understandable.
just wondering did you keep the hdmi inputs as well? if you didnt, i would have kept those so it would also work as a monitor if need be but i do like the tablet idea, so that way there's less moving parts and its less likely to break, and a handle would be nice, make it like a briefcase
awesome stuff!!! your videos are amazing thank you for putting out such in depth material. I myself have been making a few videos i was wondering if you have any pointers? thanks
Hi Ben, really like your show, has inspired me to learn electronics and relearn programming. I came across it looking for pi mods and have since been watching the show from the beginning, 138 episodes in now. Btw does someone leave their phone on silent, I keep hearing a vibrating noise, happens a lot in later episodes. Just thought I'd mention it incase no one noticed. Keep up the good work.
That was cool. The project ended up coming out awesome. But I would of added a touchscreen panel. Just to totally hit the tablet feeling home.
Ben if you think back to the 360's if you had one standing vertical like how you mocked this up if the system got shaken or bumped in anyway it would leave a ring around the disk making is useless to never work again. Thats probably why they designed the one to be flat only to eliminate people destroying their disks. just an idea.
Jumped progress at the end there guys. Would have liked to see the fan and final enclosure process'
Why extend the SATA cable when you can just replace it with a longer one?
Hey Kinnect 2.0 is actually good, i use mine all the time , its great for browsing videos when you eat and don't want to muck up your controller, Voice commands are still a little 50/50 for me though but in a quiet environment the commands can work really well
... Plus logging in with facial recognition NEVER gets old
Why do you have to disparage the Kinect at every turn?
But, seriously, a 19 inch version would be fantastic, lots of space for a huge lithium battery pack, with a screen for four.
I wouldn't have gone with the tablet idea. I would've built a monitor adaptor like you see for GameCubes
In stead of putting the Blue-Ray drive into the portable, you could have put connectors on to the side and build a case for the Drive. so if you need it, you can plug it in :)
I would have tried a different blu-ray player. Maybe one from the same manufacturer. I'd also have added some kind of carrying handle. Also, why couldn't the sata cable be replaced with a longer one rather than be cut and extended?
I think its amazing above and beyond anything I would have made in terms of slimness. Just wondering if there happens to be a Xbox one slim will u try and make a thinner and without a optical drive tablet of it?
I would've definitely used a smaller screen. It made the whole thing quite bulky.
Other suggestion: since It's so bulky it would be nice to cram it full of batteries and make it 'portable'.
All in all I think it has become a really cool project.
Some thoughts, on making it thinner (what I might have done). Would it be possible to replace the XBox power supply, with something smaller/thinner? Or make it external?
Possibly relocate that heatsink, instead of keeping the default heatsink? (I know that adds risk)
Did MS tie the optical drive to the unit again (like the 360)? If not, would it be possible to substitute the optical drive, with one from a laptop?
Not to start a console war, but personally, I would have done this with a PS4, since it's fairly slim already. Then again, that's also the system I chose, for this generation of consoles.
if I were going to build one I would probably make the tablet version because ever one has thought of making a xbox one into a laptop but no one has even attempted a tablet and that is why I always follow your projects
It does look big and clunky but still very cool. Just thinking sort of crazy, I wonder if you could make a smaller package and leverage one of those pocket projectors and a piece of first-surface mirror from an old projection TV to make a rear projection setup that might yield a larger viewing area but then collapses for portability... It certainly would not be as bright and sharp, nor would it have much of a viewing angle. Never mind - I just talked my self out of it.
I like the tablet idea, and I don't think it was too big. I could see esily taking that to a friend's house, or on vacation. the only part that bothered me was the BR drive. I don't mind fiddly, as long as it works consistently, so that I would have to know that it was going to work as long and well as a normal XBONE, even if I had to eject the disc now and then to get it to read.
Put the opticla disk drive and the controller wifi connectors on the keyboard section of a laptop to shrink the size of the one to make it more sleek
i dont know if xbox has proprietary blueray drives, but couldn't he have used a different one that worked at an angle since most off the shelf pc parts run sata these days?
sorry ben you are wrong on the optical media front. image quality, internet stability/availability and ownership issues make the optical media superior to digital only.
Optical Media isn't dead in fact it may see a renaissance in coming years. With more and more ISPs putting up data caps (my 3megabit connection has a 10 gb per month hard data cap), it's just easier to buy hard copies.
It's a cool project. But I would consider putting the disk drive on the top of the case. It could fix the insert disc problem, cause the disk wouldn't fall to the side of the drive. Also the heat sink on the top would help the airflow. Hot air moves up;)
Ben, I LOVE your show! Honestly, your creativity is such an enrichment and I really wish I had the abilities that you have. I have so many ideas and designs in mind, but don't even know where to start... I lack so much knowledge.. T - T