@@Say-hey24 From my understanding there’s been an anti-trinity movement in sda for some decades & possibly longer as a number of the pioneers were non-trinity, I have an sda friend who is non-trinity and one of his reasons is “that’s catholic doctrine” but he holds to other sda doctrine which I understand is very close to catholic doctrine ? When I asked him about the virgin birth, crucifixion and resurrection which are also catholic doctrine he wasn’t able to answer ! I have heard and seen egw didn’t support the trinity early on but later changed her mind and this is reflected in the writings which span 70 years - so which egw writings do they use to support their views ? Or do they ignore that issue ! My thoughts are while being a big issue the trinity is a symptom of the bigger issue.
@@davidblowe9096 great comments. I hope I have never represented myself as someone I am not. I have no education ( drugs and depression as a teenager), and sometimes when Myles speaks fast, my head hurts. I get dizzy and have to take a minute. I’m joking, but Myles speaks too fast. There is an actual cartoon of two Irish peasants who explain the trinity. It’s hilarious and informative. There are way smarter people on this site than me. I’m primarily shouting at my dead pioneer Adventist health evangelist father who was a terrible father, but a great Adventist. As to your actual comment: Adventists have never to this day got the trinity correct. Adventist president Ted Wilson is still defining the trinity as three beings united in purpose. My understanding is the trinity is one being expressed in three personalities. The trinity is one ontologically. One in essence., but three personalities with the ability to think, choose, and communicate. Please correct me if I am wrong. I think I heard Donal and Connell correctly. Check them out. Yes, you are correct, there is a movement within the Adventist organization to get back to pioneer Arianism. James White and Uriah Smith were both editors of the Adventist Review, and they both mocked orthodox Christians who promulgate the trinity doctrine. I don’t know what Catholics think and I don’t care much, but Adventists are still with Ellen defining the trinity as the “ heavenly trio, united in purpose.” Going back to pioneer Adventism is viewed as being a genuine Adventist and super spiritual. The non trinatatisn Adventists view the trinitarian Adventists as apostate, but they are not actually trinitarian.
@@Say-hey24 I have heard SDA’s say that “it was a movement for the time”, my question would be so why haven’t they moved away from that time, why are the writing’s of egw so important today if they were only for that time ? There’s been a division in sda for a long long and it’s been centred around egw’s writing but I feel “they” have been able to keep a lid on it. Once if you were a questioning sda the only real source of information was within the sda, there were some splinter groups within but they didn’t really go that far from the fold so to speak, you could find them on the fringe of the church. But now days we have the internet and there are numerous sources that we can find outside of “the church” and the sda church is suddenly on the back foot.
@@davidblowe9096 first question, first. Adventists proclaim that the gospel message was incomplete, and they have been raised up by God to give the world the complete gospel. They have a concept called “ Present Truth.” Truth applicable for the present time, starting in 1844. They also believe they have been given a mission by God to restore Christianity to genuine Christianity. All Protestants and Catholics are viewed as apostates because they reject the seventh day Sabbath concept ( law). Adventists have a different gospel message they are duty bound to proclaim- the three angels message, and they view everything through the great controversy theme. Adventists view themselves as restorationists restoring real Christianity which they think ended when the apostles died.
EGW: "…those that do not accept the light that God has given on health reform, who subsist on the flesh of dead animals…can not represent the truth to others. -In a testimony to Elders Irwin, Prescott, Waggoner, and Jones, February 21, 1899. EGW: "No man should be set apart as a teacher of the people while his own teaching or example contradicts the testimony God has given His servants to bear in regard to diet…His disregard of health reform unfits him to stand as the Lord’s messenger…" - 6T, p. 378. Let not any of our ministers set an evil example in the eating of flesh meat. Let them and their families live up to the light of health reform. Let not our ministers animalize their own nature and the nature of their children.-Counsels on Diet and Foods, 399. This contradicts 1 Timothy 4 and Romans 14 proving that EGW was a false prophet
1 Tim 4 :3 is not talking about animal flesh. The word meat is a translation from the Greek ‘broma’ meaning ‘food’. The same for Romans 14. read Genesis and inform yourself about what God created as food. Hasn’t science not proved that eating of animal flesh is not the healtiest thing to do. We are preparing for heaven, so it is better to get used to a diet similar to that of Eden. People in responsible positions should always give the best example.
@@FraeDen Paul himself calls those who eat " vegitables" weak chrsitians so how on earth do you translate BROMA to mean food that isnt meat ? Broma is used for meat many times and the context is clearly about meat. You think Paul has issues on people fobidding others to eat grass and beans ? Are you kidding yourself ? Notice in 1 Timothy he says ALL IS GOOD and to be received meaning for sure he is talking about meat since even in your model beans and grass was always acceptable so its definatelly talking about something that was controversial at that time ...which was meat
@@NextLevel-k9o First, I said that ‘broma’ simply means food. This of course includes meat. The text says that the things God created to be eaten should not be prohibited. God gave some food directions to Adam, then He enlarged the diet after the fall and He still enlarged it after the flood. God still prohibited certain foods He called unclean. Clean meat was not prohibited and never shoud be. This does not mean that all foods are healthy. Especially foods that are prepared in a certain way become very unhealthy even as excessive use of certain products as sugar. As our knowledge of healthy living has progressed a lot, many agree that a diet like given to Adam and Eve is the best for man and that we should do our best to procure such a diet. In cases we cannot do this then we must eat animal flesh to get the necessary elements. The official SDA statement on healthy living says: “As far as individual health and wellness is concerned, the Adventist church recognizes the autonomy of each individual and their God-given power of choice. Rather than mandating standards of behavior, Adventists encourage one another to live as positive examples of God’s love and care.” So there is no obligation to abstain from animal flesh and no presecution of those who eat a chicken nugget. If you want to inow more got to adventist.org.
@@FraeDen And this is the inconsistency of your own denomination for your so called prophet clearly forbade ALL MEAT because as you hinted she derived from Genesis an original diet that God never forced anybody to follow especially not for salvation. EGW is very clear in her books and i can cite you if you want how the HEALTH REFORM is part of the third angel message and a light from God that cannot be ignored. It is a salvational issue YET by Health Reform EGW meant NO MEAT and not what your chuch means by Health Reform. Its inconsistent and still by Paul instruction EGW would be speaking doctrines of demons for she forbade all meat regardless if clean or unclean. Just read Councils on diet and food. Its very clear there that meat according to her was ontologically evil. That is absurd. Paul spoke the opposite. Even if some meats arent healthy that doesnt mean this is the standard. EGW argues for SPIRITUAL POLLUTION FROM SUBSTANCES. This is absurd again. Jesus said only what comes out of the heart can pollute you SPIRITUALLY
Jesus Himself said no food is unclean. Jesus ate meat and fish. Ellen on the other hand condemned those who ate meat . People are free to eat what they want, there is no spiritual value in one’s choice of diet. Jesus said so.
3 years ago, I would not have called them a satanic cult, but after conversing with more of them, knowing their doctrines,seeing how they mimic and support the Church of Rome, I can't help but say that they seem like a satanic cult. Many in leadership know the religion was founded on lies. I thought maybe they were just ignorant. But it seems like they do know it is founded on lies, everything about Daniel 8, oct 22 1844, the investigative judgment, and everything else about their foundation is all lies.
What my boy Lomacang gonna be saying, "Apostate Protest........Adventism" 😂 O boi neo-adventist, come hang with us in "Babylon" where "the religious body is full of confusion" 😂😂
Peter Acknowledged Jesus " Thou art the Christ the Son of the Living God.." then Jesus said get thee behind me Satan. This is a reminder that Wagner and Jones may have been correct in some utterances and declarations but later became apostates. Myles I am a Sda Christian. The Biblical foundation of the Sda church is solid, the sda church though not perfect is the closest I have seen as a church to correct Biblical foundation. God has blessed His people the sda church. Rebellion started in heaven a perfect place by Lucifer who lead 1/3 of the stars( angels) into rebellion. I am wondering if Satan is not using you to speak some truth and a lie at the same time to lead people to view the sda church with Biblical suspicious many of whom do not have a solid and through knowledge of their Bibles and even some sda who don't have that solid Christian foundation into deeper confusion. Be careful you are being warned not to do the very work that Satan started.
There is plenty of information in the website that says the SDA church is certainly not close to scripture in their practices. The book of Galatians criticism of the Judaizers can basically be a description of Adventists.
If the Father and the Son "are of the same nature" then the Father cannot be "first in point of time." It's self refuting. Unless, of course, you don't know what the meaning of "is" is so you make up crap to support modalism or other heretical interpretation of the real Godhead. I've already seen some here in the comments who agree with Waggoner. Maybe it would help them to know that Jesus Himself created the very time/space/matter continuum that Waggoner uses to predate Jesus by claiming He came after God the Father. They can't even get the first verse of the Bible right.
Further splitting is just testament to the kingdom not belonging to Christ, and the great need for the redemption of Zion who is in fact an unfaithful spouse that has been put away. No matter how many more churches split, the truth will never be found, and we must rely on the work of God to purify his people and bring unity by adopting his children into his eternal family through the born again experience of being baptized by fire and the Holy Ghost. There are no more true churches, the only true church is comprised of every believer that sincerely repents and offers their broken heart and contrite spirit to Christ to do his will and obey all of his commands.
Myles, Waggoner was already on his way out of the SDA. He was taking his first steps toward pantheism. SDA does not believe this idea about Christ. “SDA believe There is one God: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, a unity of three coeternal Persons. God is immortal, all-powerful, all-knowing, above all, and ever present. He is infinite and beyond human comprehension, yet known through His self-revelation. “
Your doctrine is unscriptural. God gave His only begotten Son to die in our place because of His love for us (John 3:16). Your Christ did not die because, based on your heretical theology, He cannot die. SDA pioneers anchored their faith in scripture. Present day apostate Adventists cannot answer your unscripural heresy because they have abandoned the faith of the pioneers.
The Lord's people are seeking to heal the breach which has been made in the law of God. “And they that shall be of thee shall build the old waste places: thou shalt raise up the foundations of many generations; and thou shalt be called, The repairer of the breach, The restorer of paths to dwell in. If thou turn away thy foot from the Sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on My holy day; and call the Sabbath a delight, the holy of the Lord, honorable; and shalt honor Him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words: then shalt thou delight thyself in the Lord; and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father: for the mouth of the Lord hath spoken it.” This disturbs the enemies of our faith, and every means is employed to hinder us in our work. And yet the broken-down wall is going steadily up. The world is being warned, and many are turning away from trampling under their feet the Sabbath of Jehovah. God is in this work, and man cannot stop it. Angels of God are working with the efforts of His faithful servants, and the work steadily advances. We shall meet with opposition of every description, as did the builders of the walls of Jerusalem; but if we watch and pray and work, as they did, God will fight our battles for us and give us precious victories. ~Ellen G White ~Testimonies Vol.3 Pg. 572-3
To the presenter of this video. I disagree with Adventism on many topics. At times when you are biblically correct, I stand in agreement with the Bible, which would mean that we both can agree when what you say is biblical. I must say, that I disagree with the present sda tri-theism belief sistem but I agree with EJ Waggoner here and disagree with you. That is because what He said is indeed biblical. Waggoner said that Jesus' PERSONALITY had a beginning but they have the same nature. He is correct. In other words, Jesus' Nature is older than His Personality. The Bible makes that clear when you really put all the teachings together. But an apostate creed follower like you will never understand because your standard of truth are catholic creeds.
@@answeringadventism Ellen White is a false prophet. We can agree there. The 1844 investigative judgment is false. Yes true, facts. Yet its now over a year and you are just a ranting sda pastor son. Smh. Bro. Rest a bit. Its now boring. Repetitive. Bro there are so much more. Study the bible and let God teach you, then teach your listeners the truth, not by a continual rant against sdas but lift up the true Jesus from the scriptures. Not the creedal Jesus that you preach.
@@wellnessprovherbs6254 “it’s now over a year” I’m not your “bro.” You’re a Christological heretic who commented a bunch of silliness. This is a clip from a presentation from almost a year ago. I left Adventism 12 years ago. Like what are you even ranting about? 😂 Literally thousands of people are being reached by this platform (which exists outside of TH-cam, by the way) and you’re whining and crying in the comments. Yeah, I like my way of doing things better than your way of whining. On top of the fact you don’t even know the true Christ.
@@answeringadventism thousands of people are being deceived by your channel in accepting a false God who you believe is a trinity. Its good that they are reconsidering their position on many sda doctrines but you also teach a lot of falsehood. So my hope is that they also read the bible and reject your falsehoods. Your boast of persuading people is not evidence that you have the truth. Remember sdas also have a boast of baptizing thousands but is that evidence that they have the truth? My message to you is, stick to the Bible and you will soon drop your false teachings about the creedal trinity and many other falsehoods that you believe. You are also a liar. Saying that Pastor Myers was invited to speak with the perry's without showing receipts. Then furthering those lies while calling yourself a christian.
@@wellnessprovherbs6254 So which church, minister, denomination or rite has the correct definition of the Godhead? To just say 'just read and stick to the Bible" is practically meaningless. Scripture must be interpreted and part of the context for that is the historic ancient Christian tradition. Who else has it right beside yourself?
Please don't misrepresent the Churches position. You are right that EJ Waggoners view of Christ is heresy, that doesn't mean that the Church holds that position. The Church is thoroughly biblical in its view of the Godhead/Trinity today.
@@Gospel2you-on3qe I didn’t claim the church agrees with Waggoner. Where was this claimed? No, they aren’t “thoroughly biblical” in their view today. This is a clip from a 4 hour presentation where I show, without question, this is not true. You aren’t trinitarian just because you borrow the word Trinity to then try and brand your “heavenly trip” under that name.
@@answeringadventism you didn’t state that the Church does not hold this position as a teaching. I think it would be good Christian practice to state the Churches position. This was only an individual. You are right that the Church had (historically) a large element with a strong semi-Arian slant, however they didnt like creeds and avoided official statements claiming the Bible as their only creed. I get that your ministry is based on countering Adventism but if you are going to critique a Church be fair and transparent. I believe you are doing this with the motive to highlight the gospel. Be open to the fact that many in SDA Church do teach the gospel and it is an official teaching.
Are you not over 48000 churches who have split but under sun god worship 😅😅😅😅😅 every Sunday???? Why are you not a Catholic???? Isn't it a split in order to earn money from creating blasphemous statements from adventistism in order to have food on your table 😅😅
For a member of a group that is obsessed with attacking Roman Catholicism, you sure are fond of blindly parroting their propaganda. The "40000 denominiations" claim (which your neverending game of "telephone" has exaggerated even further) has long since been debunked. The creators of the study admitted that their methods greatly overstated the number of denominations. The way they got the "40000" number was by counting each denomination an extra time for each country it exists in. Using their methods, there would be close to 200 Roman Catholic Church "denominations", as the RCC has at least some presence in practically every country. The actual number of denominations is closer to 700. On a per capita basis, Sadventists are just as divided as Protestantism in general. Also, if happening to meet on Sundays makes one a "sun god worshipper", then meeting on Saturdays makes one a worshipper of the pagan god Saturn.
@@DamonNomad82 that Christ died to clean pigs meat for you to eat, that Christ died to permit you to sin ,to steak, commit adultery, fornication, paint your bodies with tattoos like Myles
@@okwijames947 You're still on about the tattoos, I see. I know that tattoos (not people with tattoos, the actual tattoos themselves) stole your girlfriend, tweaked your nose, gave you an atomic wedgie, kicked your dog, and to add insult to injury, did all that on a Sunday and told you to "have a nice Sabbath!" I'd be angrily obsessed with tattoos, too, if they had done all that to me. That obsession isn't healthy for your mind, though. You irreparably damage your own side's reputation when you make silly, obvious, over-the-top misrepresentations of what others actually believe. No non-Adventist even comes close to believing that "Christ died to clean pigs' meat", as He was able to do that simply by declaring all foods clean before He went to the cross (Mark 7:17-23). His death was to save us from our sins, which Adventists deny with their blasphemous works-based "investigative judgment" nonsense. "To steak" makes no sense, as "steak" is a noun, not a verb. If you meant "eat steak", that would be acceptable even under the Law of Moses, as cattle, the source of steak, are "clean" animals. As for the rest of the accusations "commit adultery/fornication", that is condemned by non-Adventists just as much as by Adventists.
@@DamonNomad82 you are trying to bring reasoning to safe guard your Tattoos fellow 😹 but nothing because that tattooed coin likes speaking things which are not true about seventh day Adventist's, So i need to teach him that where he is , There are more loopholes than even Islam, and you are also defending pig diet, Tell me after your jesus cleansing pigs ,who ate it from the Bible????
Hey guys, do you all realize you are looking in the wrong corner. If you are out for finding a cult according to your own definition , check the Roman Catholic Church. 1. They worship a person (the holy father) who has a direct pipeline to God. 2. They say that only those belonging to the RCC church can be saved. 3. They say, they are above the word of God and free to change it. 4. They worship idols. 5. They preach the most damnable heresies like purgatory and the use of indulgences for the forgiveness of future sins. 6. They have a secret army which infiltrates everywhere 7. They practice the most heinous politics to get church and state united so they can use the state to destroy all that do not agree with them. 8. They blaspheme God by telling their members to confess their sins to their priests who tell them to procure forgiveness through penance 9. RC have a excessive admiration for the mother of Jesus whom they adore as the mother of God and queen of heaven. And many more. Myles has a lifetime of work to do here. He can start combing through millions of documents in search of heinous heresies.
It’s interesting the things Adventism has in common with Catholics, including a Pope and a magisterium. Before judging Catholics , look within. And interestingly, there are probably more Catholics in church on Saturday than Adventists.
They are similar. Just change out the priest and others and put EG White. Don't tell me it's not so, else the SDA Church would have given out the Holy Bible and not the great controversy.
@@kcjoseph2838 So at least you admit that the RCC is a cult. SDA did not put EGW on the throne of Peter as you do in your silly pictures. We did not change the law of God by removing and adding to the word. I could go on just to say that your comparison is ridiculous.
@@kcjoseph2838 “Don’t tell me it’s not so, else…” as your argument is a fallacy because the SDA church gives out the Bible and all churches give out books, I will tell you it is not so. EGW did not call herself ‘holy mother’ or ‘vicar of Christ’. She did not have a ring to be kissed. People did not go to EGW to confess their sins. EGW never said that those outside the SDA church can not be saved. EGW never but herself above the word but in service of the word. EGW never changed Gods law, neither took away nor added to the scriptures. She only mangified the law. EGW never told people to worship idols, she did not make images of what was in heaven or in the earth for preople to worship EGW never set up an inquisition that effectively stripped people of all their belongings and killed them in the most cruel ways. EGW did not set up a political system by which the state is used to serve the church. EGW did not blaspheme God by calling herself God while forgiving sins. EGW did not sacrifice Christ again and again through the eucharist. EGW did not scare people by damnable heresies like purgatory and eternal hellfire. EGW did never sell indulgences for future sins. EGW did not set up a secret army of soldiers that sacrificed their consciences ready to commit the most heinous crimes and infiltrate all human institutions In light of all this, your comment sounds ridiculous. But I assume you will still hold to your opinion and you are free to do so.
@@jsimoes9424 You undoubtedly refer to EGW as pope and magisterium of the SDA church. Maybe you lived with people who all the time said to you EGW said this and EGW said that. I know such people exist and I pity them and I pity you. People like that make EGW worse then the pope. Despite all this and the traumatising experience you still have to distinguish between what the people make of something and what it really is. Lets assume EGW is indeed a true prophet. A true prophet comes with a message of God concerning present and future situations and events. This prophet will be tested according to the will of God. Those for who the prophet is send have the duty to see if what the prophet says is in accordance with scripture. After this work of testing is thoroughly done and the conclusion is reached that the prophet is true the people,of God hopefully obey the words of the prophet. Does the prophet then become a pope and the message the magisterium of the church? I do not think so.
Talk about heresy. Jesus only ever claimed to be God's Son! You condemn yourself while you are condemning others. Stop judging others. (Matthew 7:2) . . .for with the judgment you are judging, you will be judged, and with the measure that you are measuring out, they will measure out to you.
A son shares the same nature and equality with his Father. Jesus is very clearly Yahweh. Isaiah 44:24 says Yahweh ALONE created all things. Colossians 1 and John 1 say Jesus created all things. Yet scripture also says the Father and the Spirit did. And no, Jesus very plainly claimed to be the I AM. But yeah, you’re smarter than the greatest lights of the Christian church in all of history, incrediblystupid8483, including the apostles. Your username indeed checks out. 😅
You picked a great channel name. You do realize by telling others to stop judging, you are, in fact, judging others, yes? Still, a name like yours invites ridicule, which I guess you want. Enjoy the roast!
This is solid Biblical sds position. Thank you for speaking the truth here. I was never brought up a sda christian but I am so happy i became one. Thank you Jesus!
Agree with you 💯
A split has been forming for decades !
That split will come down to where each side stands in regards to Ellen G White v The Bible
@@davidblowe9096 you are right, and perhaps her view of the trinity? What are your thoughts?
@@Say-hey24 From my understanding there’s been an anti-trinity movement in sda for some decades & possibly longer as a number of the pioneers were non-trinity, I have an sda friend who is non-trinity and one of his reasons is “that’s catholic doctrine” but he holds to other sda doctrine which I understand is very close to catholic doctrine ? When I asked him about the virgin birth, crucifixion and resurrection which are also catholic doctrine he wasn’t able to answer ! I have heard and seen egw didn’t support the trinity early on but later changed her mind and this is reflected in the writings which span 70 years - so which egw writings do they use to support their views ? Or do they ignore that issue ! My thoughts are while being a big issue the trinity is a symptom of the bigger issue.
@@davidblowe9096 great comments. I hope I have never represented myself as someone I am not. I have no education ( drugs and depression as a teenager), and sometimes when Myles speaks fast, my head hurts. I get dizzy and have to take a minute. I’m joking, but Myles speaks too fast. There is an actual cartoon of two Irish peasants who explain the trinity. It’s hilarious and informative. There are way smarter people on this site than me. I’m primarily shouting at my dead pioneer Adventist health evangelist father who was a terrible father, but a great Adventist. As to your actual comment: Adventists have never to this day got the trinity correct. Adventist president Ted Wilson is still defining the trinity as three beings united in purpose. My understanding is the trinity is one being expressed in three personalities. The trinity is one ontologically. One in essence., but three personalities with the ability to think, choose, and communicate. Please correct me if I am wrong. I think I heard Donal and Connell correctly. Check them out. Yes, you are correct, there is a movement within the Adventist organization to get back to pioneer Arianism. James White and Uriah Smith were both editors of the Adventist Review, and they both mocked orthodox Christians who promulgate the trinity doctrine. I don’t know what Catholics think and I don’t care much, but Adventists are still with Ellen defining the trinity as the “ heavenly trio, united in purpose.” Going back to pioneer Adventism is viewed as being a genuine Adventist and super spiritual. The non trinatatisn Adventists view the trinitarian Adventists as apostate, but they are not actually trinitarian.
@@Say-hey24 I have heard SDA’s say that “it was a movement for the time”, my question would be so why haven’t they moved away from that time, why are the writing’s of egw so important today if they were only for that time ?
There’s been a division in sda for a long long and it’s been centred around egw’s writing but I feel “they” have been able to keep a lid on it. Once if you were a questioning sda the only real source of information was within the sda, there were some splinter groups within but they didn’t really go that far from the fold so to speak, you could find them on the fringe of the church. But now days we have the internet and there are numerous sources that we can find outside of “the church” and the sda church is suddenly on the back foot.
@@davidblowe9096 first question, first. Adventists proclaim that the gospel message was incomplete, and they have been raised up by God to give the world the complete gospel. They have a concept called
“ Present Truth.” Truth applicable for the present time, starting in 1844. They also believe they have been given a mission by God to restore Christianity to genuine Christianity. All Protestants and Catholics are viewed as apostates because they reject the seventh day Sabbath concept ( law). Adventists have a different gospel message they are duty bound to proclaim- the three angels message, and they view everything through the great controversy theme. Adventists view themselves as restorationists restoring real Christianity which they think ended when the apostles died.
EGW: "…those that do not accept the light that God has given on health reform, who subsist on the flesh of dead animals…can not represent the truth to others. -In a testimony to Elders Irwin, Prescott, Waggoner, and Jones, February 21, 1899.
EGW: "No man should be set apart as a teacher of the people while his own teaching or example contradicts the testimony God has given His servants to bear in regard to diet…His disregard of health reform unfits him to stand as the Lord’s messenger…" - 6T, p. 378.
Let not any of our ministers set an evil example in the eating of flesh meat. Let them and their families live up to the light of health reform. Let not our ministers animalize their own nature and the nature of their children.-Counsels on Diet and Foods, 399.
This contradicts 1 Timothy 4 and Romans 14 proving that EGW was a false prophet
1 Tim 4 :3 is not talking about animal flesh. The word meat is a translation from the Greek ‘broma’ meaning ‘food’. The same for Romans 14.
read Genesis and inform yourself about what God created as food.
Hasn’t science not proved that eating of animal flesh is not the healtiest thing to do. We are preparing for heaven, so it is better to get used to a diet similar to that of Eden.
People in responsible positions should always give the best example.
@@FraeDen Paul himself calls those who eat " vegitables" weak chrsitians so how on earth do you translate BROMA to mean food that isnt meat ? Broma is used for meat many times and the context is clearly about meat. You think Paul has issues on people fobidding others to eat grass and beans ? Are you kidding yourself ? Notice in 1 Timothy he says ALL IS GOOD and to be received meaning for sure he is talking about meat since even in your model beans and grass was always acceptable so its definatelly talking about something that was controversial at that time ...which was meat
@@NextLevel-k9o First, I said that ‘broma’ simply means food. This of course includes meat.
The text says that the things God created to be eaten should not be prohibited.
God gave some food directions to Adam, then He enlarged the diet after the fall and He still enlarged it after the flood. God still prohibited certain foods He called unclean. Clean meat was not prohibited and never shoud be.
This does not mean that all foods are healthy. Especially foods that are prepared in a certain way become very unhealthy even as excessive use of certain products as sugar.
As our knowledge of healthy living has progressed a lot, many agree that a diet like given to Adam and Eve is the best for man and that we should do our best to procure such a diet. In cases we cannot do this then we must eat animal flesh to get the necessary elements.
The official SDA statement on healthy living says: “As far as individual health and wellness is concerned, the Adventist church recognizes the autonomy of each individual and their God-given power of choice. Rather than mandating standards of behavior, Adventists encourage one another to live as positive examples of God’s love and care.” So there is no obligation to abstain from animal flesh and no presecution of those who eat a chicken nugget.
If you want to inow more got to adventist.org.
@@FraeDen And this is the inconsistency of your own denomination for your so called prophet clearly forbade ALL MEAT because as you hinted she derived from Genesis an original diet that God never forced anybody to follow especially not for salvation. EGW is very clear in her books and i can cite you if you want how the HEALTH REFORM is part of the third angel message and a light from God that cannot be ignored. It is a salvational issue YET by Health Reform EGW meant NO MEAT and not what your chuch means by Health Reform. Its inconsistent and still by Paul instruction EGW would be speaking doctrines of demons for she forbade all meat regardless if clean or unclean. Just read Councils on diet and food. Its very clear there that meat according to her was ontologically evil. That is absurd. Paul spoke the opposite. Even if some meats arent healthy that doesnt mean this is the standard. EGW argues for SPIRITUAL POLLUTION FROM SUBSTANCES. This is absurd again. Jesus said only what comes out of the heart can pollute you SPIRITUALLY
Jesus Himself said no food is unclean. Jesus ate meat and fish.
Ellen on the other hand condemned those who ate meat .
People are free to eat what they want, there is no spiritual value in one’s choice of diet.
Jesus said so.
Messiah יהושע Saviour of the World Save us from the Satanic Cult of SDA Seventh Day Adventist Church Amĕn Maranatha 🙏❤️
3 years ago, I would not have called them a satanic cult, but after conversing with more of them, knowing their doctrines,seeing how they mimic and support the Church of Rome, I can't help but say that they seem like a satanic cult.
Many in leadership know the religion was founded on lies. I thought maybe they were just ignorant. But it seems like they do know it is founded on lies, everything about Daniel 8, oct 22 1844, the investigative judgment, and everything else about their foundation is all lies.
@@FullnessofTruth777 How can you be saved from the cult ? Yet Sunday drama was introduced by Lucifer himself
@@FullnessofTruth777 just keep rotating on the cup of the abominations of the earth and finally regret
What my boy Lomacang gonna be saying,
"Apostate Protest........Adventism" 😂
O boi neo-adventist, come hang with us in "Babylon" where "the religious body is full of confusion" 😂😂
@@FlyingGentile that sound effect cracks me up every time. That’s why I clipped it and made it a staple part of the platform 😂
Unity in diversity.
Peter Acknowledged Jesus " Thou art the Christ the Son of the Living God.." then Jesus said get thee behind me Satan. This is a reminder that Wagner and Jones may have been correct in some utterances and declarations but later became apostates. Myles I am a Sda Christian. The Biblical foundation of the Sda church is solid, the sda church though not perfect is the closest I have seen as a church to correct Biblical foundation. God has blessed His people the sda church. Rebellion started in heaven a perfect place by Lucifer who lead 1/3 of the stars( angels) into rebellion. I am wondering if Satan is not using you to speak some truth and a lie at the same time to lead people to view the sda church with Biblical suspicious many of whom do not have a solid and through knowledge of their Bibles and even some sda who don't have that solid Christian foundation into deeper confusion. Be careful you are being warned not to do the very work that Satan started.
There is plenty of information in the website that says the SDA church is certainly not close to scripture in their practices.
The book of Galatians criticism of the Judaizers can basically be a description of Adventists.
If the Father and the Son "are of the same nature" then the Father cannot be "first in point of time."
It's self refuting.
Unless, of course, you don't know what the meaning of "is" is so you make up crap to support modalism or other heretical interpretation of the real Godhead.
I've already seen some here in the comments who agree with Waggoner. Maybe it would help them to know that Jesus Himself created the very time/space/matter continuum that Waggoner uses to predate Jesus by claiming He came after God the Father. They can't even get the first verse of the Bible right.
Further splitting is just testament to the kingdom not belonging to Christ, and the great need for the redemption of Zion who is in fact an unfaithful spouse that has been put away. No matter how many more churches split, the truth will never be found, and we must rely on the work of God to purify his people and bring unity by adopting his children into his eternal family through the born again experience of being baptized by fire and the Holy Ghost. There are no more true churches, the only true church is comprised of every believer that sincerely repents and offers their broken heart and contrite spirit to Christ to do his will and obey all of his commands.
Church? What church?!!
Myles, Waggoner was already on his way out of the SDA. He was taking his first steps toward pantheism. SDA does not believe this idea about Christ. “SDA believe There is one God: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, a unity of three coeternal Persons. God is immortal, all-powerful, all-knowing, above all, and ever present. He is infinite and beyond human comprehension, yet known through His self-revelation. “
m.th-cam.com/video/ayCAHFNJONA/w-d-xo.html
Are the three persons material? If so, ontological unity seems impossible and tritheism the result.
@@ESteen0815 No, they are above and outside creation.
Your doctrine is unscriptural. God gave His only begotten Son to die in our place because of His love for us (John 3:16). Your Christ did not die because, based on your heretical theology, He cannot die. SDA pioneers anchored their faith in scripture. Present day apostate Adventists cannot answer your unscripural heresy because they have abandoned the faith of the pioneers.
You are delusional. Adventist pioneers were Arians.
Even your little moniker is Old Testament. Christians live in the new covenant.
Pioneer apostates, modern apostates- Adventists are very screwed up.
@@Say-hey24 What is your authority? Mine is scripture! What is yours?
@@ElijahAndMoses scripture.
The Lord's people are seeking to heal the breach which has been made in the law of God. “And they that shall be of thee shall build the old waste places: thou shalt raise up the foundations of many generations; and thou shalt be called, The repairer of the breach, The restorer of paths to dwell in. If thou turn away thy foot from the Sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on My holy day; and call the Sabbath a delight, the holy of the Lord, honorable; and shalt honor Him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words: then shalt thou delight thyself in the Lord; and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father: for the mouth of the Lord hath spoken it.”
This disturbs the enemies of our faith, and every means is employed to hinder us in our work. And yet the broken-down wall is going steadily up. The world is being warned, and many are turning away from trampling under their feet the Sabbath of Jehovah. God is in this work, and man cannot stop it. Angels of God are working with the efforts of His faithful servants, and the work steadily advances. We shall meet with opposition of every description, as did the builders of the walls of Jerusalem; but if we watch and pray and work, as they did, God will fight our battles for us and give us precious victories.
~Ellen G White
~Testimonies Vol.3 Pg. 572-3
To the presenter of this video. I disagree with Adventism on many topics. At times when you are biblically correct, I stand in agreement with the Bible, which would mean that we both can agree when what you say is biblical. I must say, that I disagree with the present sda tri-theism belief sistem but I agree with EJ Waggoner here and disagree with you. That is because what He said is indeed biblical. Waggoner said that Jesus' PERSONALITY had a beginning but they have the same nature. He is correct. In other words, Jesus' Nature is older than His Personality. The Bible makes that clear when you really put all the teachings together. But an apostate creed follower like you will never understand because your standard of truth are catholic creeds.
@@wellnessprovherbs6254 lol
@@answeringadventism Ellen White is a false prophet. We can agree there. The 1844 investigative judgment is false. Yes true, facts. Yet its now over a year and you are just a ranting sda pastor son. Smh. Bro. Rest a bit. Its now boring. Repetitive. Bro there are so much more. Study the bible and let God teach you, then teach your listeners the truth, not by a continual rant against sdas but lift up the true Jesus from the scriptures. Not the creedal Jesus that you preach.
@@wellnessprovherbs6254 “it’s now over a year”
I’m not your “bro.” You’re a Christological heretic who commented a bunch of silliness. This is a clip from a presentation from almost a year ago. I left Adventism 12 years ago. Like what are you even ranting about? 😂
Literally thousands of people are being reached by this platform (which exists outside of TH-cam, by the way) and you’re whining and crying in the comments. Yeah, I like my way of doing things better than your way of whining. On top of the fact you don’t even know the true Christ.
@@answeringadventism thousands of people are being deceived by your channel in accepting a false God who you believe is a trinity. Its good that they are reconsidering their position on many sda doctrines but you also teach a lot of falsehood. So my hope is that they also read the bible and reject your falsehoods. Your boast of persuading people is not evidence that you have the truth. Remember sdas also have a boast of baptizing thousands but is that evidence that they have the truth? My message to you is, stick to the Bible and you will soon drop your false teachings about the creedal trinity and many other falsehoods that you believe. You are also a liar. Saying that Pastor Myers was invited to speak with the perry's without showing receipts. Then furthering those lies while calling yourself a christian.
@@wellnessprovherbs6254 So which church, minister, denomination or rite has the correct definition of the Godhead?
To just say 'just read and stick to the Bible" is practically meaningless.
Scripture must be interpreted and part of the context for that is the historic
ancient Christian tradition.
Who else has it right beside yourself?
Please don't misrepresent the Churches position. You are right that EJ Waggoners view of Christ is heresy, that doesn't mean that the Church holds that position. The Church is thoroughly biblical in its view of the Godhead/Trinity today.
@@Gospel2you-on3qe I didn’t claim the church agrees with Waggoner. Where was this claimed? No, they aren’t “thoroughly biblical” in their view today. This is a clip from a 4 hour presentation where I show, without question, this is not true.
You aren’t trinitarian just because you borrow the word Trinity to then try and brand your “heavenly trip” under that name.
@@answeringadventism you didn’t state that the Church does not hold this position as a teaching. I think it would be good Christian practice to state the Churches position. This was only an individual. You are right that the Church had (historically) a large element with a strong semi-Arian slant, however they didnt like creeds and avoided official statements claiming the Bible as their only creed. I get that your ministry is based on countering Adventism but if you are going to critique a Church be fair and transparent. I believe you are doing this with the motive to highlight the gospel. Be open to the fact that many in SDA Church do teach the gospel and it is an official teaching.
Are you not over 48000 churches who have split but under sun god worship 😅😅😅😅😅 every Sunday???? Why are you not a Catholic???? Isn't it a split in order to earn money from creating blasphemous statements from adventistism in order to have food on your table 😅😅
For a member of a group that is obsessed with attacking Roman Catholicism, you sure are fond of blindly parroting their propaganda. The "40000 denominiations" claim (which your neverending game of "telephone" has exaggerated even further) has long since been debunked. The creators of the study admitted that their methods greatly overstated the number of denominations. The way they got the "40000" number was by counting each denomination an extra time for each country it exists in. Using their methods, there would be close to 200 Roman Catholic Church "denominations", as the RCC has at least some presence in practically every country. The actual number of denominations is closer to 700. On a per capita basis, Sadventists are just as divided as Protestantism in general. Also, if happening to meet on Sundays makes one a "sun god worshipper", then meeting on Saturdays makes one a worshipper of the pagan god Saturn.
@@DamonNomad82 that Christ died to clean pigs meat for you to eat, that Christ died to permit you to sin ,to steak, commit adultery, fornication, paint your bodies with tattoos like Myles
@@okwijames947 You're still on about the tattoos, I see. I know that tattoos (not people with tattoos, the actual tattoos themselves) stole your girlfriend, tweaked your nose, gave you an atomic wedgie, kicked your dog, and to add insult to injury, did all that on a Sunday and told you to "have a nice Sabbath!" I'd be angrily obsessed with tattoos, too, if they had done all that to me. That obsession isn't healthy for your mind, though. You irreparably damage your own side's reputation when you make silly, obvious, over-the-top misrepresentations of what others actually believe. No non-Adventist even comes close to believing that "Christ died to clean pigs' meat", as He was able to do that simply by declaring all foods clean before He went to the cross (Mark 7:17-23). His death was to save us from our sins, which Adventists deny with their blasphemous works-based "investigative judgment" nonsense. "To steak" makes no sense, as "steak" is a noun, not a verb. If you meant "eat steak", that would be acceptable even under the Law of Moses, as cattle, the source of steak, are "clean" animals. As for the rest of the accusations "commit adultery/fornication", that is condemned by non-Adventists just as much as by Adventists.
@@DamonNomad82 you are trying to bring reasoning to safe guard your Tattoos fellow 😹 but nothing because that tattooed coin likes speaking things which are not true about seventh day Adventist's, So i need to teach him that where he is , There are more loopholes than even Islam, and you are also defending pig diet, Tell me after your jesus cleansing pigs ,who ate it from the Bible????
Hey guys, do you all realize you are looking in the wrong corner. If you are out for finding a cult according to your own definition , check the Roman Catholic Church.
1. They worship a person (the holy father) who has a direct pipeline to God.
2. They say that only those belonging to the RCC church can be saved.
3. They say, they are above the word of God and free to change it.
4. They worship idols.
5. They preach the most damnable heresies like purgatory and the use of indulgences for the forgiveness of future sins.
6. They have a secret army which infiltrates everywhere
7. They practice the most heinous politics to get church and state united so they can use the state to destroy all that do not agree with them.
8. They blaspheme God by telling their members to confess their sins to their priests who tell them to procure forgiveness through penance
9. RC have a excessive admiration for the mother of Jesus whom they adore as the mother of God and queen of heaven.
And many more.
Myles has a lifetime of work to do here. He can start combing through millions of documents in search of heinous heresies.
It’s interesting the things Adventism has in common with Catholics, including a Pope and a magisterium.
Before judging Catholics , look within.
And interestingly, there are probably more Catholics in church on Saturday than Adventists.
They are similar. Just change out the priest and others and put EG White. Don't tell me it's not so, else the SDA Church would have given out the Holy Bible and not the great controversy.
@@kcjoseph2838 So at least you admit that the RCC is a cult.
SDA did not put EGW on the throne of Peter as you do in your silly pictures.
We did not change the law of God by removing and adding to the word. I could go on just to say that your comparison is ridiculous.
@@kcjoseph2838 “Don’t tell me it’s not so, else…” as your argument is a fallacy because the SDA church gives out the Bible and all churches give out books, I will tell you it is not so.
EGW did not call herself ‘holy mother’ or ‘vicar of Christ’. She did not have a ring to be kissed.
People did not go to EGW to confess their sins.
EGW never said that those outside the SDA church can not be saved.
EGW never but herself above the word but in service of the word.
EGW never changed Gods law, neither took away nor added to the scriptures. She only mangified the law.
EGW never told people to worship idols, she did not make images of what was in heaven or in the earth for preople to worship
EGW never set up an inquisition that effectively stripped people of all their belongings and killed them in the most cruel ways.
EGW did not set up a political system by which the state is used to serve the church.
EGW did not blaspheme God by calling herself God while forgiving sins.
EGW did not sacrifice Christ again and again through the eucharist.
EGW did not scare people by damnable heresies like purgatory and eternal hellfire.
EGW did never sell indulgences for future sins.
EGW did not set up a secret army of soldiers that sacrificed their consciences ready to commit the most heinous crimes and infiltrate all human institutions
In light of all this, your comment sounds ridiculous.
But I assume you will still hold to your opinion and you are free to do so.
@@jsimoes9424 You undoubtedly refer to EGW as pope and magisterium of the SDA church.
Maybe you lived with people who all the time said to you EGW said this and EGW said that.
I know such people exist and I pity them and I pity you. People like that make EGW worse then the pope.
Despite all this and the traumatising experience you still have to distinguish between what the people make of something and what it really is.
Lets assume EGW is indeed a true prophet.
A true prophet comes with a message of God concerning present and future situations and events.
This prophet will be tested according to the will of God. Those for who the prophet is send have the duty to see if what the prophet says is in accordance with scripture.
After this work of testing is thoroughly done and the conclusion is reached that the prophet is true the people,of God hopefully obey the words of the prophet.
Does the prophet then become a pope and the message the magisterium of the church?
I do not think so.
Talk about heresy. Jesus only ever claimed to be God's Son!
You condemn yourself while you are condemning others.
Stop judging others.
(Matthew 7:2) . . .for with the judgment you are judging, you will be judged, and with the measure that you are measuring out, they will measure out to you.
@incrediblystupid8483 👈😃👍 You first
A son shares the same nature and equality with his Father. Jesus is very clearly Yahweh.
Isaiah 44:24 says Yahweh ALONE created all things. Colossians 1 and John 1 say Jesus created all things. Yet scripture also says the Father and the Spirit did.
And no, Jesus very plainly claimed to be the I AM.
But yeah, you’re smarter than the greatest lights of the Christian church in all of history, incrediblystupid8483, including the apostles.
Your username indeed checks out. 😅
You picked a great channel name. You do realize by telling others to stop judging, you are, in fact, judging others, yes?
Still, a name like yours invites ridicule, which I guess you want. Enjoy the roast!
This is solid Biblical sds position. Thank you for speaking the truth here. I was never brought up a sda christian but I am so happy i became one. Thank you Jesus!
@@ElcandoCiteron-it5scDo you say Christ’s personality had a beginning is SDA teaching?