you cant say that lethal company is only fun with friends, then call it game of the year, and then say it didn't deserve better with friends. This has got to be satire.
I’m not really sure why I reinforced that point but I’ve just started doing this content so there will be lots of mistakes and mess ups like how it’s basically just my opinion with no evidence but I can work on that now
@@Ellipsis0 you'll get better at it as time goes on but for sure you at least got plenty of views with this! Just work on making videos about how you really feel without being too pressured to generate clicks. You have the right idea as far as getting attention, but being genuine can help you get a lot farther on here when it comes to things like this video imo
it was reddit being funny. doesnt matter what anyone did or voted for. but saying bg3 didnt deserve that win is like that tv review guy saying elden ring was bad.
You know you can look up release dates of games online right? It is currently 2024, Rust has been out in full release for 6 years(2018), Deep Rock Galactic has been out for almost 4 years(2020). It is perfectly fine to not like games, but dismissing them because they are too 'new' while wanting Red Dead Redemption II (2019) to win instead isn't logical.
*Also when actually looking at something like RDR2's multiplayer, which is basically dead/devoid of non cheating players; RDR2 is really NOT a contender for "labour of love" in my eyes.
6:10 Deep Rock is 3.5 years and Rust is almost 6 years old (even older than RDR2)..., not accounting for early access phases, in which case Deep Rock would be another few years older. DRG would have definitly deserved it more than RDR2, considering RDR2 had basically no updates the entire year. I don't know where you got that "about a year or so" from.
i appreciate you sharing your opinion, and don't let the people discourage you! we're all entitled to our opinion, regardless of how wildly incorrect they are like yours LOL
Look as someone who hasn't played Baldur's gate III so I cant really talk about I still disagree with your opinion about game of the year award. Even though i have played lethal company and adore the game for what it is, it isn't game of the year because it's not a perfect game, and imo has many flaws (which the dev is working to address but at this moment they exist). fundamentally the reason why it was so successful was like so many games similar to it, it relies on having friends to make the game enjoyable/fun. it's gimmick (in this case proximity voice chat) is an idea executed nearly perfectly considering the atmosphere and genre of game. However gameplay wise it isn't perfect and many other games while not as successful have overall better design in a wider array of categories. I enjoy many games I consider "objectively" bad for the reason of it appealing to my personal tastes. I can acknowledge that a game/book/(insert any artistic creation) is considered "objectively" good without personally liking it. additionally a big part of why some games which are imo terrible but fun to play is because they are meant to be played with friends in a way that pokes fun at the game. Terrible games that are coded badly (bad physics, stupid AI, bad balancing) are often funny when poked fun at with friends. im not saying this is a big part of why Lethal Company, more like a tiny part, but it doest have some glitchy/stupid moments caused by bugs/glitches which enchance the experience when playing with friends or even alone because they are well funny but objectively they are still "problems" which i would take into account when deciding what the GotY is. that's just my two cents though.
I think it might be just the fact that I find the game hilarious and can’t let it go but you made some very good points and I’ll have to go over my decision of GOTY so thank you for taking the time to right a comment and hope you enjoyed the video👍
I feel the quality of a soundtrack doesn't really equate to just how well they'd do on a spotify playlist, it's also important to remember the context the soundtracks are for and listening to an OST directly takes it out of that context. Haven't played TLOU or ROR2 though, admittedly
I never played Baldur's Gate, but the number of friends I had who said how good it was is crazy. After watching videos, though, I would tend to agree that it's a great game, even GOTY worthy. To me, it feels like Elden Ring. A lot of people said it was amazing, but I didn't really bother. I did vote for Lethal Company, because of course it's great, but it is still in early access. The fact that it did as well as it did is already a great achievement for an early access indie game. If it was finished, I have no doubt it could've beaten BG3, but I think the better with friends award is fitting for it. Solo lethal company is alright, but you lose most of the great comedy that comes with the game basically turning everyone into a voice actor when they're dying. It's a game meant to be played with friends more than anything. That being said, while I'm fine with GOTY and BWF, the other awards were a bit iffy for me. The Last of Us doesn't really deserve an award since it's a remaster. It's already gotten enough awards, anyways. Starfield was a farce. Literally, the only good thing I heard about it was the size of an npc's ass. I didn't really play enough games to get a good judgement for Best Soundtrack, but I think RoRR is a good option for it. I would've gone with Terraria for Labor of Love, but they won last year, so I don't really have a horse in that race. Best Steamdeck Game is...well I see it more as an award for something that deserved one, but didn't actually win. Hogwarts Legacy was another game I heard a bunch of good things about, but while I am glad it won something, it's certainly not the best Steamdeck game. Anyways, I think that even though you had some valid points, the video feels more like an opinion piece, rather than constructive criticism of the game awards.
The simple fact is that lethal company does not offer enough content and replayability to qualify for game of the year. The game is fun but not even close. it requires friends to play and without them the base game is just bad. Once you figure out how to play lethal company, even with friends it is lackluster. ah yes I know all the monsters and how to deal with them...man this is so fun. The horror is gone and the only thing you think about is scrap. Please give an actual reason why baldurs gate 3 doesn't deserve game of the year. Actually let me give you reasons why it is game of the year and lethal dumpany is not. -hundreds of hours of gameplay -good story telling with good cutscenes -rewarded for knowing the game and NOT BORING afterwards -replayablilty -indepth mechanics -drop in multiplayer -very little bugs -copious amounts of different options for each quest
I understand where your coming from but I think I’ve had a better time playing lethal company because of how easy it is to get into and how many funny clips I have of it
As someone who has played BG3 and Lethal Company, this video genuinely sucks. A decade old playstation rerelease should be nowhere near the awards. Baldur's Gate 3 was simply the best game this year. It has singlehandedly revived the once-niche Isometric RPG genre and made it mainstream again. Your comment about how Last of Us should have won story-rich game is moronic. A single playthrough of BG3 has as much depth of the Last of Us story, and better yet BG3 celebrates what games are meant for - we have a unique medium of telling stories in video games that allows us to choose our own destiny, to make choices about the fates our characters can have. Making meaningful decisions should define a good video game story, and Last of Us is just a story that can and has been just as easily made into a TV Series. It doesnt celebrate what games are about. I respect lethal company - but its not like its done anything new. I remember playing White Noise on the Xbox 360 in like 2014. As a scream-with-your-friends game its good, probably one of the best, but that is not a high bar. All games in this genre have glaring flaws. Lethal Company is good, but it will have no more staying power than Phasmophobia or any of the other games like this. Hell, everyone I know would have dropped the game if it wasn't for the modding scene making it actually functional for larger player counts or inserting new modded planets. Fair enough, you can call its mods as a part of the reasons it should have won with the award, but I still have friends who are replaying Baldurs Gate 3 even now; most of them completely unmodded. BG3 has years of work behind it; with multiple studios full of developers working on it for literal years to produce their magnum opus of everything they built towards with all the Divinity series. As an aside from that, as I go through your video - Viewfinders utilising perspective puzzles are also nothing new, go play superliminal. The Innovative gameplay people found from starfield was the space combat - something we havent seen in a bethesda game. It was actually very fun and I honestly preferred it to doing anything on the planet sections. I sat through your entire video, and really since it seems like you didnt even play the games you are critiqueing so I dont think your opinion really holds any weight. If you are gonna make a video like this and dont expect hate, you need to actually have some rigor to your arguments instead of just labelling games "DnD Simulator".
Having played both BG3 and lethal company I feel that Baldur's Gate is the peak of RPG story driven games. Other AAA RPG developers have said how Baldur's Gate was an anomaly and not a redifining of the genre. As you mentioned in the story rich part about allowing you to create your own story with infinite endings I feel speaks to why it won the category. Baldurs gate is also not a game for everyone, generally players have to be fine with turn based combat, strategy, many hours of gameplay, and allowing for a dice roll to make most of your decisions. Lethal company is a very fun game and I do agree that it overall requires friends to be playable especially considering how the server finder hardly works. Lethal company however is rather repetitive. The structures procedural generation for factories uses probably less than 30 different rooms, and mansions something similar. After a little bit of playing I found that the monsters weren't actually scary. If all I had to do was kill/look/not look at them you could make a strategy for almost any situation with little deviation. I feel like the popularity of lethal company is passing basically. Similar to how phasmophobia was popular for a while. Not to say that it's a dead game, it sits comfortably with 30k peak players, but from where it once sat many people have forgotten about it. I would guess that given another 6 months to a year lethal company will be in this state if not for a MASSIVE update.
As someone who plays rust, I think it should have won labor of love because its been getting monthly major updates without fail for a few years. Not all of them were good, but most of them were.
Saying Lethal Company didn't deserve better with friends because it deserved game of the year like it can't have two awards is hilarious, considering the game you criticized for having game of the year also had the story rich award. I also find it ironic you say it deserves this because it's not made by a triple A studio, and that triple A studios keep pumping out the same content, forgetting that Baldur's Gate 3 was ALSO made by a non-triple-A studio, with a very different approach to its style. I seriously don't understand how the small minority of people that dislike this game are so vocal about their dislike for the game. Calling it a, "D&D simulator" is such an insult considering the amount of effort it takes to make a game of such massive scale. Like, have you even TRIED to make a D&D campaign? The more well-thought out ones can take months to write out and expand upon. Ultimately, Baldur's Gate 3 is a fully fleshed out game, with much more playability. Lethal Company is still an early access game. If both were fully finished products, it might be different? But the scale of them both is so different I honestly still think Bg3 would win.
Is not a good video. There is a truth that some categories in steam awards could be better. You needs more argument to back up what you saying. You shouldn't just say only your personal taste but to think it more objectively. Overall I felt click-baited by this video cause of that. No harsh feeling. Still wish you good luck.
I think this video had a good sentiment but directed at the wrong game... BG3 was a rare case of a triple A title that really felt like it, no half-functioning, buggy release full of microtransactions but genuinely just an amazing game with huge production value stocked full of content. Yea, indie titles get the shaft when competing with big corporations but not in the steam awards dog lmao. Calling BG3 "a stupid d&d simulator" just kind of undermines the kind of technological feat that it is. There's a reason why DND is primarily tabletop, it's because you can flesh out worlds however complex you wish entirely within the theater of your mind, which is difficult to translate into a video game because it's just a LOT of work. BG3 is the result of that work executed perfectly. Also your argument for why it shouldn't have won story-rich is really weird... it's a DND-based RPG so it's going to have a lot of story paths and every character you create will have their own fleshed out story, so a win here is very reasonable. You say "if you don't take advantage of [Baldur's Gate's] possibilities, then the game is left dull and hard to enjoy." Like, yeah?? I bet if I skipped every cutscene and never read any dialogue in The Last Of Us then it would have a pretty bland story as well. You can play both BG3 and DND like a numbers simulator but most people choose not to because unless you REALLY enjoy the systems it's really boring. Being able to tell your own story in a heavily complex world is the whole appeal of these kinds of games. I think you might just not like RPGs dude.
I hate seeing the rating of this video, seeing (as of current) a 20:53 like/dislike ratio. I have my agreements and disagreements, but i see no reason to warent dislikes over his oppinions. And yes, i do agree that Indie developers naturally just have low chances compared to large studios. *I really hope to see steam bring back the Greenlight program to help bring attention to upcoming promising indie games.*
I don't feel you approached your criticism in good faith, and this came across as a uninformed rant about why you're upset your favourite games didn't win. It's clear that you haven't played a number of the game you dismissed, leading to reductive descriptions and incorrect assertions about how eligible they were for certain categories. If you want to express your disappointment, that's fine, but present it as such, not wrapped up as some philosophical critique of the awards or of the industry on a whole.
you cant say that lethal company is only fun with friends, then call it game of the year, and then say it didn't deserve better with friends. This has got to be satire.
I’m not really sure why I reinforced that point but I’ve just started doing this content so there will be lots of mistakes and mess ups like how it’s basically just my opinion with no evidence but I can work on that now
@@Ellipsis0 It's OK man, your first video erm... flopped, just by the dislikes alone. But you'll get there :)
@@Ellipsis0 you'll get better at it as time goes on but for sure you at least got plenty of views with this! Just work on making videos about how you really feel without being too pressured to generate clicks. You have the right idea as far as getting attention, but being genuine can help you get a lot farther on here when it comes to things like this video imo
it was reddit being funny. doesnt matter what anyone did or voted for. but saying bg3 didnt deserve that win is like that tv review guy saying elden ring was bad.
This man has no right to an opinion
What do you think should’ve won?
fr bro spent most the video glazing lethal company
You know you can look up release dates of games online right? It is currently 2024, Rust has been out in full release for 6 years(2018), Deep Rock Galactic has been out for almost 4 years(2020). It is perfectly fine to not like games, but dismissing them because they are too 'new' while wanting Red Dead Redemption II (2019) to win instead isn't logical.
Sorry I thought they were released sooner and didn’t think to check. I think I thought this because the games got popular a few years after release
*Also when actually looking at something like RDR2's multiplayer, which is basically dead/devoid of non cheating players; RDR2 is really NOT a contender for "labour of love" in my eyes.
6:10 Deep Rock is 3.5 years and Rust is almost 6 years old (even older than RDR2)..., not accounting for early access phases, in which case Deep Rock would be another few years older. DRG would have definitly deserved it more than RDR2, considering RDR2 had basically no updates the entire year. I don't know where you got that "about a year or so" from.
I thought that they were much newer releases and didn’t think to check but now I know for next time I make a video like this to make it better
i appreciate you sharing your opinion, and don't let the people discourage you! we're all entitled to our opinion, regardless of how wildly incorrect they are like yours LOL
Atomic heart was the only one i didnt understand it looked like a basic rpg compared to 4 of the most unique games styles especially darkest dungeon 2
Look as someone who hasn't played Baldur's gate III so I cant really talk about I still disagree with your opinion about game of the year award. Even though i have played lethal company and adore the game for what it is, it isn't game of the year because it's not a perfect game, and imo has many flaws (which the dev is working to address but at this moment they exist). fundamentally the reason why it was so successful was like so many games similar to it, it relies on having friends to make the game enjoyable/fun. it's gimmick (in this case proximity voice chat) is an idea executed nearly perfectly considering the atmosphere and genre of game. However gameplay wise it isn't perfect and many other games while not as successful have overall better design in a wider array of categories. I enjoy many games I consider "objectively" bad for the reason of it appealing to my personal tastes. I can acknowledge that a game/book/(insert any artistic creation) is considered "objectively" good without personally liking it.
additionally a big part of why some games which are imo terrible but fun to play is because they are meant to be played with friends in a way that pokes fun at the game. Terrible games that are coded badly (bad physics, stupid AI, bad balancing) are often funny when poked fun at with friends. im not saying this is a big part of why Lethal Company, more like a tiny part, but it doest have some glitchy/stupid moments caused by bugs/glitches which enchance the experience when playing with friends or even alone because they are well funny but objectively they are still "problems" which i would take into account when deciding what the GotY is.
that's just my two cents though.
I think it might be just the fact that I find the game hilarious and can’t let it go but you made some very good points and I’ll have to go over my decision of GOTY so thank you for taking the time to right a comment and hope you enjoyed the video👍
I feel the quality of a soundtrack doesn't really equate to just how well they'd do on a spotify playlist, it's also important to remember the context the soundtracks are for and listening to an OST directly takes it out of that context. Haven't played TLOU or ROR2 though, admittedly
Too say that Atomic Heart the most bland looking game I have seen in a long ass time is the correct choice for best visuals is wild.
I never played Baldur's Gate, but the number of friends I had who said how good it was is crazy. After watching videos, though, I would tend to agree that it's a great game, even GOTY worthy. To me, it feels like Elden Ring. A lot of people said it was amazing, but I didn't really bother. I did vote for Lethal Company, because of course it's great, but it is still in early access. The fact that it did as well as it did is already a great achievement for an early access indie game. If it was finished, I have no doubt it could've beaten BG3, but I think the better with friends award is fitting for it. Solo lethal company is alright, but you lose most of the great comedy that comes with the game basically turning everyone into a voice actor when they're dying. It's a game meant to be played with friends more than anything. That being said, while I'm fine with GOTY and BWF, the other awards were a bit iffy for me. The Last of Us doesn't really deserve an award since it's a remaster. It's already gotten enough awards, anyways. Starfield was a farce. Literally, the only good thing I heard about it was the size of an npc's ass. I didn't really play enough games to get a good judgement for Best Soundtrack, but I think RoRR is a good option for it. I would've gone with Terraria for Labor of Love, but they won last year, so I don't really have a horse in that race. Best Steamdeck Game is...well I see it more as an award for something that deserved one, but didn't actually win. Hogwarts Legacy was another game I heard a bunch of good things about, but while I am glad it won something, it's certainly not the best Steamdeck game. Anyways, I think that even though you had some valid points, the video feels more like an opinion piece, rather than constructive criticism of the game awards.
The simple fact is that lethal company does not offer enough content and replayability to qualify for game of the year. The game is fun but not even close. it requires friends to play and without them the base game is just bad. Once you figure out how to play lethal company, even with friends it is lackluster. ah yes I know all the monsters and how to deal with them...man this is so fun. The horror is gone and the only thing you think about is scrap. Please give an actual reason why baldurs gate 3 doesn't deserve game of the year. Actually let me give you reasons why it is game of the year and lethal dumpany is not.
-hundreds of hours of gameplay
-good story telling with good cutscenes
-rewarded for knowing the game and NOT BORING afterwards
-replayablilty
-indepth mechanics
-drop in multiplayer
-very little bugs
-copious amounts of different options for each quest
I understand where your coming from but I think I’ve had a better time playing
lethal company because of how easy it is to get into and how many funny clips I have of it
@@Ellipsis0 Never played honour mode with a 4 stack and it shows. shit is so hilarious
As someone who has played BG3 and Lethal Company, this video genuinely sucks. A decade old playstation rerelease should be nowhere near the awards. Baldur's Gate 3 was simply the best game this year. It has singlehandedly revived the once-niche Isometric RPG genre and made it mainstream again. Your comment about how Last of Us should have won story-rich game is moronic. A single playthrough of BG3 has as much depth of the Last of Us story, and better yet BG3 celebrates what games are meant for - we have a unique medium of telling stories in video games that allows us to choose our own destiny, to make choices about the fates our characters can have. Making meaningful decisions should define a good video game story, and Last of Us is just a story that can and has been just as easily made into a TV Series. It doesnt celebrate what games are about.
I respect lethal company - but its not like its done anything new. I remember playing White Noise on the Xbox 360 in like 2014. As a scream-with-your-friends game its good, probably one of the best, but that is not a high bar. All games in this genre have glaring flaws. Lethal Company is good, but it will have no more staying power than Phasmophobia or any of the other games like this. Hell, everyone I know would have dropped the game if it wasn't for the modding scene making it actually functional for larger player counts or inserting new modded planets. Fair enough, you can call its mods as a part of the reasons it should have won with the award, but I still have friends who are replaying Baldurs Gate 3 even now; most of them completely unmodded.
BG3 has years of work behind it; with multiple studios full of developers working on it for literal years to produce their magnum opus of everything they built towards with all the Divinity series.
As an aside from that, as I go through your video - Viewfinders utilising perspective puzzles are also nothing new, go play superliminal. The Innovative gameplay people found from starfield was the space combat - something we havent seen in a bethesda game. It was actually very fun and I honestly preferred it to doing anything on the planet sections.
I sat through your entire video, and really since it seems like you didnt even play the games you are critiqueing so I dont think your opinion really holds any weight. If you are gonna make a video like this and dont expect hate, you need to actually have some rigor to your arguments instead of just labelling games "DnD Simulator".
Why did you say rust has only been out for a year when it just had its 10 year anniversary
Having played both BG3 and lethal company I feel that Baldur's Gate is the peak of RPG story driven games. Other AAA RPG developers have said how Baldur's Gate was an anomaly and not a redifining of the genre. As you mentioned in the story rich part about allowing you to create your own story with infinite endings I feel speaks to why it won the category. Baldurs gate is also not a game for everyone, generally players have to be fine with turn based combat, strategy, many hours of gameplay, and allowing for a dice roll to make most of your decisions. Lethal company is a very fun game and I do agree that it overall requires friends to be playable especially considering how the server finder hardly works. Lethal company however is rather repetitive. The structures procedural generation for factories uses probably less than 30 different rooms, and mansions something similar. After a little bit of playing I found that the monsters weren't actually scary. If all I had to do was kill/look/not look at them you could make a strategy for almost any situation with little deviation. I feel like the popularity of lethal company is passing basically. Similar to how phasmophobia was popular for a while. Not to say that it's a dead game, it sits comfortably with 30k peak players, but from where it once sat many people have forgotten about it. I would guess that given another 6 months to a year lethal company will be in this state if not for a MASSIVE update.
I think personally celeste also has a great soundtrack
As someone who plays rust, I think it should have won labor of love because its been getting monthly major updates without fail for a few years. Not all of them were good, but most of them were.
The game stopped with monthly updates a while ago, idk what you’re talking about
Atomic shit goty??? LMAO
Saying Lethal Company didn't deserve better with friends because it deserved game of the year like it can't have two awards is hilarious, considering the game you criticized for having game of the year also had the story rich award.
I also find it ironic you say it deserves this because it's not made by a triple A studio, and that triple A studios keep pumping out the same content, forgetting that Baldur's Gate 3 was ALSO made by a non-triple-A studio, with a very different approach to its style. I seriously don't understand how the small minority of people that dislike this game are so vocal about their dislike for the game. Calling it a, "D&D simulator" is such an insult considering the amount of effort it takes to make a game of such massive scale. Like, have you even TRIED to make a D&D campaign? The more well-thought out ones can take months to write out and expand upon. Ultimately, Baldur's Gate 3 is a fully fleshed out game, with much more playability. Lethal Company is still an early access game. If both were fully finished products, it might be different? But the scale of them both is so different I honestly still think Bg3 would win.
Ellipsis may be an atheist but, gosh dang dude. He did not deserve that ratio. Like he was spitting some truth, not gonna lie.
Is not a good video. There is a truth that some categories in steam awards could be better. You needs more argument to back up what you saying. You shouldn't just say only your personal taste but to think it more objectively. Overall I felt click-baited by this video cause of that. No harsh feeling. Still wish you good luck.
Thank you, no hard feelings aswell and try to use more hard evidence next time👍
I think this video had a good sentiment but directed at the wrong game... BG3 was a rare case of a triple A title that really felt like it, no half-functioning, buggy release full of microtransactions but genuinely just an amazing game with huge production value stocked full of content. Yea, indie titles get the shaft when competing with big corporations but not in the steam awards dog lmao. Calling BG3 "a stupid d&d simulator" just kind of undermines the kind of technological feat that it is. There's a reason why DND is primarily tabletop, it's because you can flesh out worlds however complex you wish entirely within the theater of your mind, which is difficult to translate into a video game because it's just a LOT of work. BG3 is the result of that work executed perfectly.
Also your argument for why it shouldn't have won story-rich is really weird... it's a DND-based RPG so it's going to have a lot of story paths and every character you create will have their own fleshed out story, so a win here is very reasonable. You say "if you don't take advantage of [Baldur's Gate's] possibilities, then the game is left dull and hard to enjoy." Like, yeah?? I bet if I skipped every cutscene and never read any dialogue in The Last Of Us then it would have a pretty bland story as well. You can play both BG3 and DND like a numbers simulator but most people choose not to because unless you REALLY enjoy the systems it's really boring. Being able to tell your own story in a heavily complex world is the whole appeal of these kinds of games. I think you might just not like RPGs dude.
I hate seeing the rating of this video, seeing (as of current) a 20:53 like/dislike ratio.
I have my agreements and disagreements, but i see no reason to warent dislikes over his oppinions.
And yes, i do agree that Indie developers naturally just have low chances compared to large studios.
*I really hope to see steam bring back the Greenlight program to help bring attention to upcoming promising indie games.*
Laika: Aged through Blood. Best Soundtrack, give it a listen
Nice
I don't feel you approached your criticism in good faith, and this came across as a uninformed rant about why you're upset your favourite games didn't win. It's clear that you haven't played a number of the game you dismissed, leading to reductive descriptions and incorrect assertions about how eligible they were for certain categories. If you want to express your disappointment, that's fine, but present it as such, not wrapped up as some philosophical critique of the awards or of the industry on a whole.