If only Jack could have lived to see it. He predicted comic book movies before he died. He said that with all the advancements in special effects they would need stories to tell & comics already had decades worth . He was right. Long live the King.
I often think about what Jack Kirby or Stan Lee would think if you could time travel back to the 70s with something like Infinity War. Or bringing The Dark Knight to Bob Kane and Bill Finger in the 50s… Would they understand what they’re seeing? Would it look like a cartoon to them? Would it blow their minds? I wonder…
I hope Marvel Studios makes a Inhumans movie some day because there is so much potential there and I would love to have a director like Guillermo Del Toro make a Inhumans movie with his type of style Beautiful Gothic style
"Dense With Mythology" omg that is exactly what I want from Marvel. Action is wonderful, Marvel's low-key weapon is to spin world-building. We haven't seen such (another quote) "dense" material since blip moments in Guardians and little other moments here and there. From Loki ep 6 and the Ancient One's lessons to random comments about the MCU past in the films. Nothing like what I am expecting and hoping for with Eternals. I want action, I also want lots of things to unpack.
I've been an MCU fan since day one and I'm just happy that finally we're getting a movie that is denser than usual. I hope other fans will watch it with a clean slate and open mind, and just enjoy Eternals for exactly what it is - a dense mythological sci-fi film that's taking place within the MCU.
As always, I ♥️ Robert's in-depth thoughts on it. I respect his review more so than those fools that knows NOTHING about the Eternals but talk about it like as if they got so much depth on it. Sad really. Thanks Rob, for that fantastic insight to The Eternals movie. I cannot wait to watch it next week. And to everyone else, my advice is, before each MCU film comes out, go brush up on the recommended /referred story from the comics first. It might not adapt fully, but it does help u understand the movie(s) better.
@@jerichodc16 and if u keep clicking on them negative ones, the notifications will only keep feeding you what u watch a lot. That's how this negativity bs spreads more and more...
I feel like reviews should never be allowed again and only feelings and reactions be published. Gives you a good sense of what they thought with no specifics.
@@leftofpunk I like ur comment too. These days everybody thinks their reviews are everythangggg. But they ain't! Robert's thoughts have so much depth to the movie, the characters, the story, the comics, the interpretation, everything.
I agree. I actually started reading the Eternals comics because i wanted to familiarize myself with the characters and their background story before the movie came out. I'm actually so hyped for the movie and i just hate seeing all these bad reviews from people who haven't actually watched the movie yet or have no knowledge about the comics.
With this and Dune coming within weeks of each other, it will definitely be interesting to see if audiences are interested in dense science fiction. Eternals will open well for sure but I will be curious to see its BO trajectory.
when marvel finally gets started with the fantastic four movie, its probably gonna be a full blown science fiction film cause people always forget the fantastic four are explorers first then superheroes second.
I have seen Dune and I was so in awe the entire time - it felt epic. I haven't seen something like that since Lord of the Rings and I really hope it will do well in the US and China. Ppl will be blown away!!!
eternals is more than an introduction team movie.. feigi wantedly hired Chloe zao.. so he can make deep, distrubing, unique mythological superhero movie.. like never before
Great to hear Rob's thoughts on the Eternals. Completely spoiler free. Rob's deep pool of literature and films never ceases to amaze me. If they ever do a Marvel TV series, an amazing ending would be the silver surfer on his deathbed sharing his connection to the cosmic with everyone on earth. Opening ours eyes to the vastness of the universe
Robert Meyer Burnett has just described the most poetic Marvel movie we’ve ever heard about just wow 🤩 bring it on regardless let’s goooooooooo! 💫💫💫🔥🔥🔥🙌🏼💯🙌🏾
I’ve watched you guys for a few years, and I must say, I wish I could hear Schnepp’s thoughts on the movies we’ve had the last couple years. That man is missed. I’m looking forward to eternals. I’m not running out of the house to see it though. Dune and bond are first on my list. Thanks as always John.
I disagree with johns take on, everyone has powers. The entire X-men franchise delved into that and it’s gonna drive him nuts when mutants are introduced. I feel like he’s basing marvel on Spider-Man alone, like he used as a description. Sure, Spider-Man is the neighborhood hero and they gawk and take photos in amazement. But, as a whole, the comics only used Spider-Man that way. Everyone else was known and world ending events happened daily. So it seems he’s basing it off movies and not the source.
Theres a lot of value on the mcu, but it is undeniable that the world inside the movies, have people already used to be in the middle of things like super powered aliens burning half NY, and super powered cience guys suddenly flying over you, and more and more weird stuff pop up every other week. Not necessarily will take away the human part, but of course things are less shoking, less amazing, within the same universe. Its like people being used to watch cars and planes. Is nothing special, as it once was.
I think he is probably right to base it off the movies and not the source. The movies evoke real life questions where comics very often have understanding that their plotline is like a bubble I'm very concerned that X-Men / mutants being a phenomenon in the general populace in the MCU as opposed to ridiculously rare (like one in several million) will wreck the relevance of the existing MCU characters. People will assume Black Panther is a mutant , Spidey, Thor , AntMan, Hawkeye (they'll think his vision is enhanced) and so on and if we are to believe the existence of mutants tears apart the fabric of society that will be what's at the forefront of the MCU, story arcs will come second unless they leave this as a conceit for a short time and then have mutants stop a calamity that would have ended Earth You have far more scope for longevity if there is a justice league or avengers where the members are from around the globe because it's just so uncommon to be this exceptional
@@limonsoda yep, as the guys cited, Kit Harrington's character didn't really blink, he just asked them a moral question about intervention in human society
I worry is kind of similar to John's in that the MCU will be crowded but in my case, I mean like you have the Guardians Of The Galaxy , Captain Marvel and the maybe Eternals & Thor?? all patrolling space and Galaxies not forgetting soon Nova. The same with NYC, The defenders, Spiderman, Avengers, soon America Chavez (unless she patrols space as well and etc. Thoughts??
I said this on another channel. I think Eternals is Kevin Feige saying, “I heard all you guys out there who said these movies aren’t cinema. That Marvel has a formula. That we’re not for the auteur. We’re the flavor of the month. You got me messed up. Let’s do lunch.”
Nice!! Thank you John & Rob!! You gave me the explanation I’ve been waiting for. Poetic, action , Prometheus-Science Fiction….am blown away!! Thank you both!!
The more I hear these reviews (minus Variety's because that's spoiler filled), the more my anticipation grows. It's a shame Jon Schnepp is no longer with us.
To your point I think that their reactions are appropriate in the MCU. They’ve seen Thanos, they’ve seen Thor and the Guardians and all these larger than life gods in their world. A monster on the streets or super beings isn’t really new to them. Realistically it’s an appropriate reaction
^this. The humans in the MCU mirror the humans in our reality. We've seen so many superhero movies, we've seen so many monster movies, we've seen so much CGI, that we're essentially jaded to all but the most novel or spectacular thing. Look at the chorus of people saying how sick they are of "comic book movies." John is yearning for a young, innocence that no longer exists. It'll be interesting if Marvel is attuned to this zeitgeist, and phase 4 will ride it to some conclusion.
I feel like Eteranls, irrespective of the commercial performance, will have a lukewarm response from the audience as in the case of Batman Begins, Watchmen, Cloverfield, etc. but with time and rewatching it will gain a Cult status.
She also mentioned in her pitch that she wanted to show the infinite in the small things. John doesn't understand now comics work. Super human activity is part of the that universe. Like Tony said, the epic forces that Morgan has to deal with. There's even things like superhero insurance and a company that cleans up after batlles.
I'm SO happy to hear how this film is being received. _So many_ hateful channels out there made it a point to crap on the casting, calling it "woke" and predicting and hoping for it's failure. They did the SAME THING for both _Black Panther_ as well as _Shang Chi,_ actively predicting their failure... and then ending up having to grudgingly back pedal once BOTH those films did better than expected. I don't understand why these people make SUCH a big deal when other races are cast. It doesn't affect the quality of the story and it's not hurting anything, but these channels and the people who support them seem to bizarrely take this as a "personal" attack. I remember one channel in particular said of _Dune_ in his review, "It has 'woke' casting but despite that it was a good film." Wow...really??
We know why those people complain about "woke" casting.....It might be unpleasant to admit a decent chunk of society is still like this, but it's true. Let them rot away in their bubble. Life's too short to waste on scum like that.
The MCU meets Prometheus with the engineers being the main characters sounds like an awesome movie to me. I'll probably be one of a few real Eternals fans in that theater.
Great observations and explanations without giving anything away Rob. Loved your perspective on the MCU. Also the living beings and their perspective of the cosmic events happening.
Nah, can't agree with you on the MCU being overpopulated, John. The MCU isn't about the superheroes but about the people. That's actually what set Marvel Comics apart from others.
@@KW-sm2rt Exactly. I get what John's saying, but he's focusing only on the superficial. However, many have grown up with these characters who are real people to them. So, they want to see what happens to the characters and how they *interact* with others. It's all about story, not just plot.
@@yapdog I don't think anyone denies that, but there is a reason for the superhero element and why they didn't just make a drama series with Tony stark the entrepreneur and Peter Parker the geeky photographer The fantastic element works best at high magnitude of importance and high individuality
About the giant running in the street, i saw a clip explaining why people weren't freaking out or why the street was coincidentally empty. Sprite creates illusions so the people not being there was her...also in the trailer, you can see she created countless of herself and cersie in that particular scene. Other than that, i totally agree with rob that they have to tell a story from the humans point of view.
John, I am very pleased that you had Rob (who I didn't know before) explain his view about the Eternals. I was not really interested at all because of some casting choices, but looking beyond that I would like to see what the film has to offer. Thanks to Rob I as a fan am reenergized to see this "marvel." Thanks, John and Rob. 👌🏽👊🏾
I am a huge fan of the mcu and I know some people are still are. But, I do see what John is saying: There are way more heroes/characters compared to 2012. But, Kevin and his team aren't putting these characters because they want to and just say oh wow here's a Marvel character, let's put him or her in. They put these characters for a specific reason to deliver a story within the mcu that's is going to satisfy MOST audiences. That's what I appreciate Marvel Studios and the way they are working; taking their time and planning ahead.
16:32 Rob, the Falcon & Winter Soldier did touch on how the Snap affected regular people with the Flag Smashers being people who felt the World was better during it because people banded together & weren't concerned about borders. But because they weren't exciting enough or outright evil enough they got shit all over. Spider-Man Far From Home & WandaVision also showed the Snap's affects on humanity.
The best movie of the MCU for me, because it isn't a typical Marvel movie! Chloe Zhao brings an interesting vibe for me in this universe, can't wait to see more of this!
The heroes with superpowers in the MCU are 100 at best. Earth's population in 2023 is like 8 billion people. The percentage is literally 0,00000125%. We are just seeing the movies with heroes in them. So stop this nonsense about every 7-11 having 4-5 superheroes in it. If you can't comprehend numbers, that's not the MCU's fault. Rob (as always) is spot on. The MCU started as our world but now it isn't. It's closer to the comics world than ever. People are aware that super powered heroes and villains exist. That's not good or bad. It's the natural evolution of a world full of marvels (amazing series that Rob mentions as well).
To be honest, I am excited for an epic sci-fi movie. There will be plenty more in the usual MCU style movies - Spider-man will be one example. My only worry right now is that if I bring people who weren't into MCU to watch this film, will they understand anything? From the trailers it seems like it referenced to past events a lot - so I am worried that people who didn't follow all the MCU movies before will be lost watching this movie.
I’m not sure I agree with the idea that normal humans aren’t awed by the events around them in the MCU. Phastos’ son literally has a super-powered parent, and he was still amazed by Ikarus.
I think with all the superheroes in the MCU now, the way people would react is that this the groundwork for civilians to go protest against Superhumans. Hence, cue the X-MEN.
That's an interesting way of looking at it! My concern is the genie being out of the bottle, that once the world has thousands of mutants there is no going back and the post snap, highly meta powered world will have little resemblance to our world and thus not be relatable
i think that the fact that they have the average person not being that amazed anymore by super beings is just how it would be in real life, you get used to this amazing thing and it just becomes normal. Like how amazed everyone was with the moon landing and how fast it just became normal and kinda boring. I love the mcu because it is growing and they are bringing more characters in all the time.
Now I want a David Attenbourgh MCU documentary. I actully think a "mock-umentry" series would be a awesome idea for Disney plus. Full of interviews with scientists. Journalists. Clips of press conferences. Riots, cults. Just covering the entire gamout of societial repercussions the MCU has had on the world.
The loss of awe and wonder giving way to social strife and prejudice would be perfect for the Marvels X-Men tie-in. Also it would be a great chance to do young J Jonah Jameson
I love the comics *because* superpowers are so common, and don't stand out. I love seeing the 'overcrowding' of the MCU. It doesn't feel barren and empty like older standalone superhero movies did
I disagree with John's point about overcrowding the MCU. In these movies, I have no attachment to the random NPC's. In The Avengers, I didn't care abour NYC, I cared about the Avengers and whether they survived. So with a cast of characters so damn huge, it makes the world feel lived in in a way that allows me to connect with a huge assortment of characters and get more invested in their stories
Great reaction - very interesting! :) Can't wait to see this! I must say, I understand the concerns and certainly would like an X-Files like show, though to a point I think AoS was that. Maybe an Agents of Sword show with Monica Rambeau, Darcy Lewis and Jimmy Woo. :) BUT in all honesty, as somone who never really read comics and who wondered what can they do after Thanos, I couldn't be more happy about the direction they are going. The movies and TV Shows are creating so many characters I care about - really taking the time to introduce new heroes and villains and fleshing them out that it offers such a wonderful and rich playground to play in. In the first phase they were so dependent on the characters and actors and they did the heavy lifting, but now the MCU can exist even when major characters exit like Cap, Iron Man and Black Panther. And wity what happened in Loki, which blew my mind, the door is always open for different versions of heroes or villains to reappear in a way that makes sense. It's incredible to me that they still manage to not drop the ball with this ever expanding universe, but for me they really haven't yet. And the important thing is that the new additions are human and emotionally connected. We have the more galactic stories, we have fantastical and magical realms, we have the quantum realm, we have multiverses, we will get Maya inspired 'Atlanteans', we have Wakanda and Madripoor. Very distinct and diverse settings. The movies are getting more inclusive and culturally sensitiv and carry a lot of RL importance with representation. I really can't wait for what they have planned. I am 31 and I am in awe with what they are doing. I marvel at what they have achieved - I don't think anything will be able to replicate this interconnected universe as much as they try - it's a unicorn.
thank you for all these initial insights especially on the comic Eternals alone, it's like opening up a curtain to the entirety of the Eternals story-- which very few are brave enough to talk about since it is such new material for casual MCU moviegoers like myself
In retrospect, who was disappointed with the movie? I for one was completely enamored by the movie and even after all the negative reviews and whatnot, It still is one of my favorite movies of the MCU… and my best cbm of last year bar No Way Home
I really hope the "Is the MCU overpopulated with characters?" question isn't the new "Comic Book Fatigue?" question. We have so many more characters to introduce. If you're personally fatigued or overwhelmed then you personally should step away and maybe skip a few. We all shouldn't be denied potentially great movies because someone wants to arbitrarily put a limit on how many characters we can have in the MCU, If you personally are overwhelmed you can make the personal choice to do literally anything else. While you do whatever it is you choose we should be able to enjoy a highly populated MCU.
I think the key will be rewatchability/second week. First weekend should be solid as usual but will Marvel fans who watch it opening weekend like the film enough to watch again? A lot of Marvel fans keep saying they want something different and it sounds like The Eternals is it so we'll see if that is truly the case.
With the movie being commented as “epic” , “great sci fi fantasy “, “High stakes , huge plot twists “ and stuff will bring in people outside the marvel fandom to come and watch it.
The problem I have with people saying they want "something different" is that all too often people say that, then get something different, and get mad about it. Hopefully that won't be the case this time.
You think mother truckers in the MCU are probably use to seeing alien ass land on earth. It’s like moving into a new house in a new neighborhood where you feel a bit homesick and places are brand new but throughout time you get use to it.
The question posed by John about the MCU and his concerns with it becoming overcrowded.. and the subsequent response by Rob was some of the best discussion and analysis of the MCU I’ve heard in a while.. as a mega MCU fan I admit I often think how if I lived in this world I’m sure I would become so desensitized from all of the craziness at this point that it wouldn’t feel as awe inspiring and epic as it should.. Rob is 100% correct the MCU needs something to ground it back down to a human level and give some heart felt perspective of what the average person is going through.. in a similar note I’ve seen people discussing something about the MCU Spider-Man movies and what they were missing (I personally think they are great and I love them but this would be a really good idea) and that is the people of New York backing and showing love for their hero. The other movies had these moments where everyday NY citizens ended up saving/showing appreciation for the hero in a very emotional and inspiring way. Not having stuff like this in the MCU kinda makes the world feel detached in a way… one of my fav scenes from Infinity war actually was when Tony went out on the street and was helping and checking on people before going to fight maw and obsidian
Yeah! I wish Jack Kirby not only, could have lived to see it's production on the big screen, but also, to impart his knowledge of the characters, he birthed from his own mind. R.I.P. Jack Kirby.
Rob, I agree and I actually said the same thing after the snap. Marvel should do a animated movie with shots of superhero events from maybe a cop or civilian perspective. There was rumors of a Marvel show during the days of Agents of Shield. Basically the premise was a company that got paid to clean up after events like New York. I think that company technically turned into Adrian Tombs company at the beginning of Spider-Man Homecoming
The only thing I will add is that, even though there might be less awe about superheroes, they still have that “celebrity” factor where people around the world would or could idolize and in the same.token some would hate. So that sense of awe is still there for those that love them. Think walking into a restaurant and seeing one of your favorite actors or singers. There are thousands of named actors and celebrities out there and hundreds that people idolize. Why could this not be the same?
"I am wondering how the average mcu moviegoer will feel about this movie bc its different" John, one of the biggest criticisms the mcu gets is that their movies feel the same, follows the same mcu formula, etc. there is a reason why movies like Logan, Infinity War, The Dark Knight trilogy, Joker, TSS and CA:The Winter Soldier are much more beloved by movie fans than the other mcu movies, because they’re different, everybody would love to see something different more often from the mcu instead of the same safe cookie cutter formula. Im exicted for Eternals if it’s true that it’s VERY different from any mcu movie and that’s it doesn’t feel like a mcu movie
Those films you stated are loved by movie fans like you said, he is discussing how an average person who casually watches these movies would react. Not everyone appreciates different or more unique films
@@TVM317 didn't say they didn't but those movies have popular and recognizable characters in them. As a mcu fan, my only interest on this movie came from the cast, and now also the news that its a different kind of movie. You don't have to look hard to see that people think this movie looks bland. Hope its good and that everyone likes it, but I can't stop imagining this one boring alot of casual mcu fans. Could be wrong tho.
@@maciaz6401 most mcu movies are child friendly movies with no complications like they are having a single dimensional plot with one dimensional characters that can easily be understood by the normal audience. It’s like comparing food from McDonald’s to a food from a luxury restaurant.
its a new take on mcu, refreshing after more than a decade of back to back content. its good thing actually because if everything happened on the same plate if will be saturated overpopulated, so mcu needs another separate plate to fill the table while continue to expand the size of the table as well.
In regards to John's fear of overpopulation dulling the wonder in the mundane, I think that we can look to how people reacted to the increasing population of superheroes in comics. The comics will always be more overpopulated than our films, because our films are based on comic properties. If people in general don't get tired of overpopulation in comics, they will adapt to the increasing roster in film. What MCU looks like it is doing is following the precedent set by comics. When a planet is too small to contain the characters, bring in the galaxy. When the galaxy is too small, bring in the universe. When the universe is too small, bring in the multiverse. And if the comics are able to maintain a sense of wonder while having a FAR larger shared universe, the films theoretically can too. It also opens interesting story opportunities. In a world where gods walk openly, the mundane IS extraordinary. Maybe that is the real hidden lesson of comic and movie universes: we spend so much time looking for the wonder in the mundane that we may forget that the mundane itself is a thing of wonder.
The series pitched actually sounds amazing.. I'd really love to watch the daily life of an average human... No superpowers... No fighting... Just a pure drama depicting the everyday life of an average joe.. The Netflix marvel series in the beginning kind of did something similar albeit with suoerpowered characters.. It'd make for an interesting story though....
I haven't seen the movie yet, but has a big Marvel comic's book fan and collector I can say that The Eternal in comics are also different than the Avengers or X-mens or Guardians etc in almost every. So I believe the it makes sense that The Eternal looks different than everything we saw in MCU until now. I'm looking forward to see it very soon.
First time I'm hearing it described as action packed. Others at the premiere have said it's a very low level action movie that only cranks it up just a bit but not on the level of Shang Chi or other Marvel movies. VERY interesting.
I would love to have a conversation with Rob about this movie. This was an excellent review. Too bad there are so many people that didn’t get this feeling.
I agree with Rob's idea of a series in the perspective of regular humans. I've been wanting a show like this for a long time. I remember there was supposed to be a show like this (not sure if it was DC, Marvel, or some other property) but it either failed really badly, or it got canceled before shooting.
If only Jack could have lived to see it. He predicted comic book movies before he died. He said that with all the advancements in special effects they would need stories to tell & comics already had decades worth . He was right. Long live the King.
Do you mean Jon? Schnepp?
@@haus0fsneakers824 i think he means jack kirby
I often think about what Jack Kirby or Stan Lee would think if you could time travel back to the 70s with something like Infinity War. Or bringing The Dark Knight to Bob Kane and Bill Finger in the 50s… Would they understand what they’re seeing? Would it look like a cartoon to them? Would it blow their minds? I wonder…
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@@DylanMadd /+Stan said something amazing in his old column "Stan's Soapbox" truly stunning foreshadowing.
Damn I miss Schnepp. He would’ve loved all of this. 😔
You know Schnepp would for sure have been a recurring host on the John Campea Show :(
I love Schnepp. he always destroyed people who use the word ''woke'' for everything.
So true!
Schnepp would have definitely loved this. I am comforted by the idea that wherever he is, he is living it first hand.
Rob is the perfect compliment to John. Love their dynamic and this content
I hope Marvel Studios makes a Inhumans movie some day because there is so much potential there and I would love to have a director like Guillermo Del Toro make a Inhumans movie with his type of style Beautiful Gothic style
Yes, yes, yes, yes!!!!!!!!!!!
MCU: TV Inhumans show Vietnam flashbacks
They can but they need more oxygen and breathing room from the TV series
Yes! I love Guillermo del Toro. I'm dying to see Antlers in Halloween.
You'd have to probably wait for another 10 years. That TV show really did a number to the inhumans brand unfortunately.
"Dense With Mythology" omg that is exactly what I want from Marvel. Action is wonderful, Marvel's low-key weapon is to spin world-building. We haven't seen such (another quote) "dense" material since blip moments in Guardians and little other moments here and there. From Loki ep 6 and the Ancient One's lessons to random comments about the MCU past in the films. Nothing like what I am expecting and hoping for with Eternals. I want action, I also want lots of things to unpack.
I've been an MCU fan since day one and I'm just happy that finally we're getting a movie that is denser than usual. I hope other fans will watch it with a clean slate and open mind, and just enjoy Eternals for exactly what it is - a dense mythological sci-fi film that's taking place within the MCU.
so why does mcu stans keep hating on dc movies for being dense and dark?
@@raihanmdgician7396 if you haven't heard mcu fanboiis are hating on this film cuz its not like a typical mcu flicks
Open mind? Okay this movie sucks.
@@megamegaO you've watched it?
@@megamegaO open mind , but first you need brain for this 😉
As always, I ♥️ Robert's in-depth thoughts on it. I respect his review more so than those fools that knows NOTHING about the Eternals but talk about it like as if they got so much depth on it. Sad really.
Thanks Rob, for that fantastic insight to The Eternals movie. I cannot wait to watch it next week. And to everyone else, my advice is, before each MCU film comes out, go brush up on the recommended /referred story from the comics first. It might not adapt fully, but it does help u understand the movie(s) better.
I know right! And their content titles will always include the "Honest Reaction" and then put all the negativity that only them 'bashers' see.
@@jerichodc16 and if u keep clicking on them negative ones, the notifications will only keep feeding you what u watch a lot. That's how this negativity bs spreads more and more...
I feel like reviews should never be allowed again and only feelings and reactions be published. Gives you a good sense of what they thought with no specifics.
@@leftofpunk I like ur comment too. These days everybody thinks their reviews are everythangggg. But they ain't!
Robert's thoughts have so much depth to the movie, the characters, the story, the comics, the interpretation, everything.
I agree. I actually started reading the Eternals comics because i wanted to familiarize myself with the characters and their background story before the movie came out. I'm actually so hyped for the movie and i just hate seeing all these bad reviews from people who haven't actually watched the movie yet or have no knowledge about the comics.
With this and Dune coming within weeks of each other, it will definitely be interesting to see if audiences are interested in dense science fiction. Eternals will open well for sure but I will be curious to see its BO trajectory.
when marvel finally gets started with the fantastic four movie, its probably gonna be a full blown science fiction film cause people always forget the fantastic four are explorers first then superheroes second.
I think the problem of dune will be that is release at the same time as hbo max.
I have seen Dune and I was so in awe the entire time - it felt epic. I haven't seen something like that since Lord of the Rings and I really hope it will do well in the US and China. Ppl will be blown away!!!
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@@RainbowMarc I mean it looks amazing. Is the story great? Is it a complete arc? Just asking.
eternals is more than an introduction team movie.. feigi wantedly hired Chloe zao.. so he can make deep, distrubing, unique mythological superhero movie.. like never before
Yeah i miss watching collider heroes every week with schnepp.
Disturbing?
This gets me even more excited. I loved the idea and potential of prometheus
Great to hear Rob's thoughts on the Eternals. Completely spoiler free. Rob's deep pool of literature and films never ceases to amaze me. If they ever do a Marvel TV series, an amazing ending would be the silver surfer on his deathbed sharing his connection to the cosmic with everyone on earth. Opening ours eyes to the vastness of the universe
Sounds like if Marvel is making science fiction movies now, then we ought to get a great Fantastic Four film. Bring on Galactus!
at least twice now we have been teased with how awesome Galactus would be represented in the MCU
Rob and John brought up brilliant points towards the end....I felt that way as I watched the movie unfold
Robert Meyer Burnett has just described the most poetic Marvel movie we’ve ever heard about just wow 🤩 bring it on regardless let’s goooooooooo! 💫💫💫🔥🔥🔥🙌🏼💯🙌🏾
reminds me of William Shatner, how he described space after he went there. I agree
@@eltonarthur1233 Ahhh that’s cool especially if you close your eyes you can maybe picture it also...
I’ve watched you guys for a few years, and I must say, I wish I could hear Schnepp’s thoughts on the movies we’ve had the last couple years. That man is missed. I’m looking forward to eternals. I’m not running out of the house to see it though. Dune and bond are first on my list. Thanks as always John.
I disagree with johns take on, everyone has powers. The entire X-men franchise delved into that and it’s gonna drive him nuts when mutants are introduced. I feel like he’s basing marvel on Spider-Man alone, like he used as a description. Sure, Spider-Man is the neighborhood hero and they gawk and take photos in amazement. But, as a whole, the comics only used Spider-Man that way. Everyone else was known and world ending events happened daily. So it seems he’s basing it off movies and not the source.
I agree. There's never, been anything like this. I like the expanded universe.
Theres a lot of value on the mcu, but it is undeniable that the world inside the movies, have people already used to be in the middle of things like super powered aliens burning half NY, and super powered cience guys suddenly flying over you, and more and more weird stuff pop up every other week. Not necessarily will take away the human part, but of course things are less shoking, less amazing, within the same universe. Its like people being used to watch cars and planes. Is nothing special, as it once was.
I think he is probably right to base it off the movies and not the source. The movies evoke real life questions where comics very often have understanding that their plotline is like a bubble
I'm very concerned that X-Men / mutants being a phenomenon in the general populace in the MCU as opposed to ridiculously rare (like one in several million) will wreck the relevance of the existing MCU characters. People will assume Black Panther is a mutant , Spidey, Thor , AntMan, Hawkeye (they'll think his vision is enhanced) and so on and if we are to believe the existence of mutants tears apart the fabric of society that will be what's at the forefront of the MCU, story arcs will come second unless they leave this as a conceit for a short time and then have mutants stop a calamity that would have ended Earth
You have far more scope for longevity if there is a justice league or avengers where the members are from around the globe because it's just so uncommon to be this exceptional
@@limonsoda yep, as the guys cited, Kit Harrington's character didn't really blink, he just asked them a moral question about intervention in human society
I worry is kind of similar to John's in that the MCU will be crowded but in my case, I mean like you have the Guardians Of The Galaxy , Captain Marvel and the maybe Eternals & Thor?? all patrolling space and Galaxies not forgetting soon Nova. The same with NYC, The defenders, Spiderman, Avengers, soon America Chavez (unless she patrols space as well and etc. Thoughts??
I said this on another channel. I think Eternals is Kevin Feige saying, “I heard all you guys out there who said these movies aren’t cinema. That Marvel has a formula. That we’re not for the auteur. We’re the flavor of the month. You got me messed up. Let’s do lunch.”
Nice!! Thank you John & Rob!! You gave me the explanation I’ve been waiting for. Poetic, action , Prometheus-Science Fiction….am blown away!! Thank you both!!
The more I hear these reviews (minus Variety's because that's spoiler filled), the more my anticipation grows. It's a shame Jon Schnepp is no longer with us.
Now I wanna see Prometheus 😀 before I see Eternals. Thanks Rob!
I like Prometheus
To your point I think that their reactions are appropriate in the MCU. They’ve seen Thanos, they’ve seen Thor and the Guardians and all these larger than life gods in their world. A monster on the streets or super beings isn’t really new to them. Realistically it’s an appropriate reaction
^this. The humans in the MCU mirror the humans in our reality. We've seen so many superhero movies, we've seen so many monster movies, we've seen so much CGI, that we're essentially jaded to all but the most novel or spectacular thing. Look at the chorus of people saying how sick they are of "comic book movies." John is yearning for a young, innocence that no longer exists. It'll be interesting if Marvel is attuned to this zeitgeist, and phase 4 will ride it to some conclusion.
Robert Meyer Burnett presents such a refeshingly welcome perspective. As always !
I feel like Eteranls, irrespective of the commercial performance, will have a lukewarm response from the audience as in the case of Batman Begins, Watchmen, Cloverfield, etc. but with time and rewatching it will gain a Cult status.
Iron Man 3 wasn't a true Marvel movie either. It was a Shane Black movie.
Yes! Ive been wanting a series about people going through the snap. Imagine a dark series maybe it shows a different family every episode
Jack Kirby is a legend. He created probably my favorite villain, Darkseid. Very hyped for Eternals.
Rob is awesome. Love to hear his comments. Always.
Rob has me very very hyped for this with his reaction. I enjoy Comic Book films but I loooove thoughtful science fiction.
She also mentioned in her pitch that she wanted to show the infinite in the small things. John doesn't understand now comics work. Super human activity is part of the that universe. Like Tony said, the epic forces that Morgan has to deal with. There's even things like superhero insurance and a company that cleans up after batlles.
I'm SO happy to hear how this film is being received. _So many_ hateful channels out there made it a point to crap on the casting, calling it "woke" and predicting and hoping for it's failure. They did the SAME THING for both _Black Panther_ as well as _Shang Chi,_ actively predicting their failure... and then ending up having to grudgingly back pedal once BOTH those films did better than expected.
I don't understand why these people make SUCH a big deal when other races are cast. It doesn't affect the quality of the story and it's not hurting anything, but these channels and the people who support them seem to bizarrely take this as a "personal" attack. I remember one channel in particular said of _Dune_ in his review, "It has 'woke' casting but despite that it was a good film."
Wow...really??
We know why those people complain about "woke" casting.....It might be unpleasant to admit a decent chunk of society is still like this, but it's true. Let them rot away in their bubble. Life's too short to waste on scum like that.
I wonder how those who often criticize Marvel movies as having a sameness to them, will think of this movie after they decide to see it?
@@craigd7333 from what i have heard, it was a diet zack snyders JL
once the amygdala is hardwired it's rare anyone can be impartial.
The MCU meets Prometheus with the engineers being the main characters sounds like an awesome movie to me. I'll probably be one of a few real Eternals fans in that theater.
Great observations and explanations without giving anything away Rob. Loved your perspective on the MCU. Also the living beings and their perspective of the cosmic events happening.
Nah, can't agree with you on the MCU being overpopulated, John. The MCU isn't about the superheroes but about the people. That's actually what set Marvel Comics apart from others.
Agreed. That's the fun of having different superheroes instead of a handful of them.
@@KW-sm2rt Exactly. I get what John's saying, but he's focusing only on the superficial. However, many have grown up with these characters who are real people to them. So, they want to see what happens to the characters and how they *interact* with others. It's all about story, not just plot.
overpopulated with character with God like powers, it gets i bit ridiculous when everyone is a superman
@@yapdog I don't think anyone denies that, but there is a reason for the superhero element and why they didn't just make a drama series with Tony stark the entrepreneur and Peter Parker the geeky photographer
The fantastic element works best at high magnitude of importance and high individuality
@@louistickeer1872 yes.
Need for a bundle to be gone ala Steve Rogers & Iron Man.
Thank you for this love hearing your reactions you guys made me more excited than normal! LOL going to see it Saturday opening weekend in IMAX.! 🙏😭
About the giant running in the street, i saw a clip explaining why people weren't freaking out or why the street was coincidentally empty. Sprite creates illusions so the people not being there was her...also in the trailer, you can see she created countless of herself and cersie in that particular scene. Other than that, i totally agree with rob that they have to tell a story from the humans point of view.
John, I am very pleased that you had Rob (who I didn't know before) explain his view about the Eternals. I was not really interested at all because of some casting choices, but looking beyond that I would like to see what the film has to offer. Thanks to Rob I as a fan am reenergized to see this "marvel." Thanks, John and Rob. 👌🏽👊🏾
Love Robs thoughts! Can't wait!
I am a huge fan of the mcu and I know some people are still are. But, I do see what John is saying: There are way more heroes/characters compared to 2012. But, Kevin and his team aren't putting these characters because they want to and just say oh wow here's a Marvel character, let's put him or her in. They put these characters for a specific reason to deliver a story within the mcu that's is going to satisfy MOST audiences. That's what I appreciate Marvel Studios and the way they are working; taking their time and planning ahead.
"some" is an understatement for fan of marvel movies
@@rockyrivera6397 maybe most? Is that better?
I disgaree with that last argument. I think it’s cool seeing a world so adjusted to fantastical events.
16:32 Rob, the Falcon & Winter Soldier did touch on how the Snap affected regular people with the Flag Smashers being people who felt the World was better during it because people banded together & weren't concerned about borders. But because they weren't exciting enough or outright evil enough they got shit all over. Spider-Man Far From Home & WandaVision also showed the Snap's affects on humanity.
The best movie of the MCU for me, because it isn't a typical Marvel movie! Chloe Zhao brings an interesting vibe for me in this universe, can't wait to see more of this!
You both guys are delusional
Rob's idea on human's reaction could be a prelude to Sen. Kelly and the Sentinels
The heroes with superpowers in the MCU are 100 at best. Earth's population in 2023 is like 8 billion people. The percentage is literally 0,00000125%. We are just seeing the movies with heroes in them. So stop this nonsense about every 7-11 having 4-5 superheroes in it. If you can't comprehend numbers, that's not the MCU's fault.
Rob (as always) is spot on. The MCU started as our world but now it isn't. It's closer to the comics world than ever. People are aware that super powered heroes and villains exist. That's not good or bad. It's the natural evolution of a world full of marvels (amazing series that Rob mentions as well).
She actually used Denis Villeneuve shots from Arrival and Blade Runner 2049 to pitch the movie, she said so.
To be honest, I am excited for an epic sci-fi movie. There will be plenty more in the usual MCU style movies - Spider-man will be one example. My only worry right now is that if I bring people who weren't into MCU to watch this film, will they understand anything? From the trailers it seems like it referenced to past events a lot - so I am worried that people who didn't follow all the MCU movies before will be lost watching this movie.
I’m not sure I agree with the idea that normal humans aren’t awed by the events around them in the MCU. Phastos’ son literally has a super-powered parent, and he was still amazed by Ikarus.
Since Rob is the expert here, if he's happy I'm happy.
“And when everyone’s super… no one will be.” - Syndrome, “The Incredibles”
I think with all the superheroes in the MCU now, the way people would react is that this the groundwork for civilians to go protest against Superhumans. Hence, cue the X-MEN.
That's an interesting way of looking at it!
My concern is the genie being out of the bottle, that once the world has thousands of mutants there is no going back and the post snap, highly meta powered world will have little resemblance to our world and thus not be relatable
I love Prometheus so now I’m super hyped for ETERNALS
That was definitely the Great synapsis of a movie if ever heard! Genuinely
Can't wait to watch this film
John no matter how many sunrises or sunsets I see, they all leave me in awe and wonder. The same can be said about Superheroes.
That's all good but if sunsets were scarce they would generate universal awe and wonder
I just watched Eternals. I actually enjoyed it quite a lot. 🤷🏻♂️
i think that the fact that they have the average person not being that amazed anymore by super beings is just how it would be in real life, you get used to this amazing thing and it just becomes normal. Like how amazed everyone was with the moon landing and how fast it just became normal and kinda boring.
I love the mcu because it is growing and they are bringing more characters in all the time.
Now I want a David Attenbourgh MCU documentary.
I actully think a "mock-umentry" series would be a awesome idea for Disney plus. Full of interviews with scientists. Journalists. Clips of press conferences. Riots, cults. Just covering the entire gamout of societial repercussions the MCU has had on the world.
Love Rob’s perspectives
I could watch John and RMB for hours👏🏿
I loved the movie so much and I did feel this is a Marvel movie... it like literally is lol and if anything it is an elevated version of previous mcu
The loss of awe and wonder giving way to social strife and prejudice would be perfect for the Marvels X-Men tie-in. Also it would be a great chance to do young J Jonah Jameson
Rob got me hype, yo “what Prometheus should have been” oof I’m all in!
@@scottyhehehe5367 man that woulda been sooo good
I love the comics *because* superpowers are so common, and don't stand out. I love seeing the 'overcrowding' of the MCU. It doesn't feel barren and empty like older standalone superhero movies did
I think a more lore heavy movie is needed in the MCU, just to change up the formula you know? It gets a bit boring otherwise
Love the idea of a Marvel show told from the human perspective. Love it even more if the show runner is Larry David.
I disagree with John's point about overcrowding the MCU. In these movies, I have no attachment to the random NPC's. In The Avengers, I didn't care abour NYC, I cared about the Avengers and whether they survived. So with a cast of characters so damn huge, it makes the world feel lived in in a way that allows me to connect with a huge assortment of characters and get more invested in their stories
As longer it goes, there would be more continuity errors
@@申月営無営月無営有申 Which doesn’t matter and can be easily explained away with the multiverse
@@rl8259 wtf... that makes no sense and is dumb af
@@申月営無営月無営有申 That’s literally what the multiverse is for lol its a tool to explain anything that’s why DC is doing flashpoint
@@rl8259 sounds lazy af
Rob's reaction is what I've been waiting for!!!!!
Skip to 6:45 for his actual opinion on the movie. Can't believe it's that far into the video lol
“If every one is super, then no one will be” -Syndrome
My names not buddy!
Great reaction - very interesting! :) Can't wait to see this! I must say, I understand the concerns and certainly would like an X-Files like show, though to a point I think AoS was that. Maybe an Agents of Sword show with Monica Rambeau, Darcy Lewis and Jimmy Woo. :)
BUT in all honesty, as somone who never really read comics and who wondered what can they do after Thanos, I couldn't be more happy about the direction they are going. The movies and TV Shows are creating so many characters I care about - really taking the time to introduce new heroes and villains and fleshing them out that it offers such a wonderful and rich playground to play in. In the first phase they were so dependent on the characters and actors and they did the heavy lifting, but now the MCU can exist even when major characters exit like Cap, Iron Man and Black Panther. And wity what happened in Loki, which blew my mind, the door is always open for different versions of heroes or villains to reappear in a way that makes sense. It's incredible to me that they still manage to not drop the ball with this ever expanding universe, but for me they really haven't yet. And the important thing is that the new additions are human and emotionally connected. We have the more galactic stories, we have fantastical and magical realms, we have the quantum realm, we have multiverses, we will get Maya inspired 'Atlanteans', we have Wakanda and Madripoor. Very distinct and diverse settings. The movies are getting more inclusive and culturally sensitiv and carry a lot of RL importance with representation. I really can't wait for what they have planned. I am 31 and I am in awe with what they are doing. I marvel at what they have achieved - I don't think anything will be able to replicate this interconnected universe as much as they try - it's a unicorn.
thank you for all these initial insights especially on the comic Eternals alone, it's like opening up a curtain to the entirety of the Eternals story-- which very few are brave enough to talk about since it is such new material for casual MCU moviegoers like myself
In retrospect, who was disappointed with the movie? I for one was completely enamored by the movie and even after all the negative reviews and whatnot, It still is one of my favorite movies of the MCU… and my best cbm of last year bar No Way Home
I can't wait to see this
Me too! I'm probably going to watch it twice. lol
14:10 So John, the MCU is turning into My Hero Academia.
I loved prometheus so now I'm officially excited for the eternals
Be funny if “Mad Jim Jaspers”, Rob Jefferson from Comics Explained favorite character, appears in the universe.
"When everyone is super, no one is!" - Syndrome
I liked prometheus. Hopefully I enjoy this movie as well.
I really hope the "Is the MCU overpopulated with characters?" question isn't the new "Comic Book Fatigue?" question. We have so many more characters to introduce. If you're personally fatigued or overwhelmed then you personally should step away and maybe skip a few. We all shouldn't be denied potentially great movies because someone wants to arbitrarily put a limit on how many characters we can have in the MCU, If you personally are overwhelmed you can make the personal choice to do literally anything else. While you do whatever it is you choose we should be able to enjoy a highly populated MCU.
Preach!!!
I think the key will be rewatchability/second week. First weekend should be solid as usual but will Marvel fans who watch it opening weekend like the film enough to watch again? A lot of Marvel fans keep saying they want something different and it sounds like The Eternals is it so we'll see if that is truly the case.
With the movie being commented as “epic” , “great sci fi fantasy “, “High stakes , huge plot twists “ and stuff will bring in people outside the marvel fandom to come and watch it.
Most Marvel movies have long legs.
The problem I have with people saying they want "something different" is that all too often people say that, then get something different, and get mad about it. Hopefully that won't be the case this time.
@@srae1971 I know! You can't please everyone for sure.
@Ten O Tell that to the people who watched Endgame with multiple friend groups, lmao. ( unless you were being sarcastic.)
You think mother truckers in the MCU are probably use to seeing alien ass land on earth.
It’s like moving into a new house in a new neighborhood where you feel a bit homesick and places are brand new but throughout time you get use to it.
Watched it with my husband we both liked it but wish they had done more with the diviants becoming more aware.
The question posed by John about the MCU and his concerns with it becoming overcrowded.. and the subsequent response by Rob was some of the best discussion and analysis of the MCU I’ve heard in a while.. as a mega MCU fan I admit I often think how if I lived in this world I’m sure I would become so desensitized from all of the craziness at this point that it wouldn’t feel as awe inspiring and epic as it should.. Rob is 100% correct the MCU needs something to ground it back down to a human level and give some heart felt perspective of what the average person is going through.. in a similar note I’ve seen people discussing something about the MCU Spider-Man movies and what they were missing (I personally think they are great and I love them but this would be a really good idea) and that is the people of New York backing and showing love for their hero. The other movies had these moments where everyday NY citizens ended up saving/showing appreciation for the hero in a very emotional and inspiring way. Not having stuff like this in the MCU kinda makes the world feel detached in a way… one of my fav scenes from Infinity war actually was when Tony went out on the street and was helping and checking on people before going to fight maw and obsidian
Wow thanks for this spoiler free 20 min review/discussion
Yeah! I wish Jack Kirby not only, could have lived to see it's production on the big screen, but also, to impart his knowledge of the characters, he birthed from his own mind. R.I.P. Jack Kirby.
Kirby is the GOAT of comics.
Expectations are EXTREMELY high!
Rob, I agree and I actually said the same thing after the snap. Marvel should do a animated movie with shots of superhero events from maybe a cop or civilian perspective. There was rumors of a Marvel show during the days of Agents of Shield. Basically the premise was a company that got paid to clean up after events like New York. I think that company technically turned into Adrian Tombs company at the beginning of Spider-Man Homecoming
The only thing I will add is that, even though there might be less awe about superheroes, they still have that “celebrity” factor where people around the world would or could idolize and in the same.token some would hate. So that sense of awe is still there for those that love them. Think walking into a restaurant and seeing one of your favorite actors or singers. There are thousands of named actors and celebrities out there and hundreds that people idolize. Why could this not be the same?
"I am wondering how the average mcu moviegoer will feel about this movie bc its different"
John, one of the biggest criticisms the mcu gets is that their movies feel the same, follows the same mcu formula, etc. there is a reason why movies like Logan, Infinity War, The Dark Knight trilogy, Joker, TSS and CA:The Winter Soldier are much more beloved by movie fans than the other mcu movies, because they’re different, everybody would love to see something different more often from the mcu instead of the same safe cookie cutter formula. Im exicted for Eternals if it’s true that it’s VERY different from any mcu movie and that’s it doesn’t feel like a mcu movie
Those films you stated are loved by movie fans like you said, he is discussing how an average person who casually watches these movies would react. Not everyone appreciates different or more unique films
@@maciaz6401 I’m pretty sure the average person likes those movies I mentioned.
@@TVM317 didn't say they didn't but those movies have popular and recognizable characters in them. As a mcu fan, my only interest on this movie came from the cast, and now also the news that its a different kind of movie. You don't have to look hard to see that people think this movie looks bland. Hope its good and that everyone likes it, but I can't stop imagining this one boring alot of casual mcu fans. Could be wrong tho.
@@maciaz6401 most mcu movies are child friendly movies with no complications like they are having a single dimensional plot with one dimensional characters that can easily be understood by the normal audience. It’s like comparing food from McDonald’s to a food from a luxury restaurant.
its a new take on mcu, refreshing after more than a decade of back to back content. its good thing actually because if everything happened on the same plate if will be saturated overpopulated, so mcu needs another separate plate to fill the table while continue to expand the size of the table as well.
This was beautifully put.
In regards to John's fear of overpopulation dulling the wonder in the mundane, I think that we can look to how people reacted to the increasing population of superheroes in comics. The comics will always be more overpopulated than our films, because our films are based on comic properties. If people in general don't get tired of overpopulation in comics, they will adapt to the increasing roster in film.
What MCU looks like it is doing is following the precedent set by comics. When a planet is too small to contain the characters, bring in the galaxy. When the galaxy is too small, bring in the universe. When the universe is too small, bring in the multiverse.
And if the comics are able to maintain a sense of wonder while having a FAR larger shared universe, the films theoretically can too.
It also opens interesting story opportunities. In a world where gods walk openly, the mundane IS extraordinary. Maybe that is the real hidden lesson of comic and movie universes: we spend so much time looking for the wonder in the mundane that we may forget that the mundane itself is a thing of wonder.
The series pitched actually sounds amazing.. I'd really love to watch the daily life of an average human... No superpowers... No fighting... Just a pure drama depicting the everyday life of an average joe..
The Netflix marvel series in the beginning kind of did something similar albeit with suoerpowered characters..
It'd make for an interesting story though....
I haven't seen the movie yet, but has a big Marvel comic's book fan and collector I can say that The Eternal in comics are also different than the Avengers or X-mens or Guardians etc in almost every.
So I believe the it makes sense that The Eternal looks different than everything we saw in MCU until now.
I'm looking forward to see it very soon.
First time I'm hearing it described as action packed. Others at the premiere have said it's a very low level action movie that only cranks it up just a bit but not on the level of Shang Chi or other Marvel movies. VERY interesting.
I would love to have a conversation with Rob about this movie. This was an excellent review. Too bad there are so many people that didn’t get this feeling.
Marvels would be amazing. The 198 and Morlocks series' as well. The Order of The SHEILD on Disney+ would cover the bases Rob mentioned.
Your frustration about to much extraordinary in the mcu, I actually enjoy that because it feels like the comics. Like an extraordinary world.
I agree with Rob's idea of a series in the perspective of regular humans. I've been wanting a show like this for a long time. I remember there was supposed to be a show like this (not sure if it was DC, Marvel, or some other property) but it either failed really badly, or it got canceled before shooting.
It was a dc show and forgot the name of it but l know the main character was played by the guy who played mr negative in doom patrol