Before the TCU kickoff Utah fans were saying “we should win this, TCU is 1 of the bottom tier schools in the conference.” After the game the realization hit hard that we are 1 of the bottom tier schools in the conference. Utah football is not in a good place right now😢
As a former PAC12 and Duck fan, i always respected how good UT always was and the great success they had in the PAC12. They have really fallen hard from where they were
Iowa State and Utah are complete opposites. Iowa State is humble and wins, Utah is arrogant and loses. Utah put all their faith in one player to win. Iowa State has 7 injured LBs and still has an awesome defense.
Hi Buddy Missed your live show last night going to listen to it on my walk . Utah Big XII needs you to be good and competitive. I believe 1 difference between BIG XII and Former PAC XII is that the teams in Current BIG XII is they all school are physical all of the venues are sold out Fans care about their teams, Isn't it fun Welcome to The Big XII
This problem should have been obvious from backup QB play and offensive inconsistency last season. If no other QB than Rising can run your offensive effectively you have program level issues on the offensive side of the ball.
The Pac12 was not good when utah won the league. USC was (still is) nowhere to be found; Washington was not good either; Oregon was competitive against utah, but nowhere near as strong as they are this year. Pac12 arrogantly refused to acknowledge it, but the league hasn't been relevant for several decades not.
Yeah, the big 12 has been a real powerhouse… Oklahoma has literally lost every New Year’s six bowl game. Texas has sucked for 20 years. Utah is now two and one against big 12 schools. I’m not understanding the logic. We have lost to two PAC 12 schools that we traditionally stomp. We suck this year… Hard to figure it out. But it’s the truth. Doesn’t mean you can go back in time and say we sucked in years past because that’s just not true
I don't feel bad for Utah at all. They come in here acting like the new Texas and you're going to get put in your place. This is a good league with good teams and you're seeing it.
Most BYU fans are still experiencing battered fan syndrome, so they're a little slow to get onboard this year. Being a BYU fan myself, I've shed most of that and have diceided to ride the wave with the team. Who knows, maybe we're building towards something more than just a "special season" - something lasting.
What was that saying before the season started?!? Wasn't it something like, "Utah will own the B12 & is a lock for the CFP for the B12"? Guess they don't practice, "next man up". Welcome to the B12 Utah. Now you know how Texas felt 15 of the last 16 years. EMAW
Sorry, John… but this is a very opinion-driven take, and your facts are just not correct. No offense to Iowa State, but their record was 7-6, 4-8, and 7-6 in 2021, 2022, 2023 respectively. K-state is more comparable to Utah, but also had a recent losing season in 2020 (4-6) and went 8-5 the next year… followed by two solid 10-4 and 9-4 season in 2022, and 2023. Since 2018, Utah has gone 9-5, 11-3, 3-2 (COVID year), 10-4, 10-4, and 8-5. Since 2014, Utah is top 20 in win percentage and doesn’t have a losing season during that time. Furthermore, Utah’s win percentage is top 20 this century. In the “new B12,” only TCU has slightly more wins since 2000. Nobody is denying Utah isn’t performing well this year for various reasons, but there is still lots of football left to be played before we get a clear picture. But, the negative generalization of Utah and its fandom is getting old and tired. Believe it not, I’m happy for the success of other B12 schools this year-it’s overall great for conference competitiveness. Utah will figure out their issues as they have done for a long time.
Very well said! The narrative is super tired. Believe it or not we are happy to be here and we fit in very well in this conference. I root for every big 12 team now. We know that the big 12 is a step down from the Big Ten and the SEC, and that’s just fine. Especially if we at the very least get an automatic bid. Then we’ve got a shot every year!
Perhaps Utah didn’t lie, they are “big 10” good. the Big 10 has become so media hyped they are not nearly as good top to bottom as they seem. And the average big 12 team is just as good as the average big 10 team.
It was genius for whoever it was to hype up Utah to a point that the head was too big for the stadium. It was the right amount of reverse psychology to make Utah think they are the 800 lb gorilla. Epic backfire
As a BYU fan, I am beyond thrilled that my Cougars are doing so well. While I don't expect the winning to last, I am grateful for their success so far. The Big 12 is far too competitive for BYU to be in the lead long-term.
I don't think Ludwig is the problem. Wilson is pathetic. If he is truly the next best after healthy Rising then that is pathetic. IF you had EVER seen Rising beat Oregon and Heisman U$C ... you would "get it".
Who is your team? A program like Utah doesn’t fall apart in a year. Ultimately this will be a good learning experience. Morgan Scalley will be phenomenal!
As a fan of BYU since 78 it is absolutely PRICELESS to enjoy seeing who the Utes really are, just another run of the mill PAC12 South team. If you want to see the truth about the PAC12 South, look no further than USC losing to Maryland. All of this is so much more enjoyable as BYU is competitive at the Power 4 level in its second year, something UTAH took almost 10 years to accomplish despite having the recruiting advantage of being in a Power conference all those years. The Holy War will still be a hard out for whichever team wins. Can’t wait for the bye week and the game. Hope BYU takes care of business at UCF so our undefeated record is still on the line November 9th.
Super happy for all of our old Utah coaches that are now coaching at the Y. They are great people and deserve the best. Actually even happy for BYU. They’ve been irrelevant for a long time. Very impressed with this cougar clown that he’s willing to put himself out there before they come to Salt Lake City. We suck right now, but most BYU fans are still scared of November 9. Props to you for talking some trash!
This is such a strange comment because two of our three losses have come to PAC 12 doormats. The issue is a Utah issue, not that the big 12 is amazing! But keep telling yourself that!
@@RobertWood-qp5rd I respect a rivalry game no matter what the record of the opponent. I would hope you are worried about November 9th as well, especially given the results of the last two night games at Rice Eccles. Hopefully, both teams will put forth their best effort and one of us will enjoy another classic win.
@@RobertWood-qp5rd my point exactly. The PAC12 was nothing special, and your championships by extension weren’t either. If memory serves, the year you backed into the PAC12 championship game, BYU was the de facto PAC12 South champion having gone 5-0 against the PAC12 South.
Really! How’s Oregon doing right now… How did Washington do last year? Seems to me like besides TCU Oklahoma won the big 12 every single year and lost their six bowl game every single year. The big 12 sucks… And we fit right in this year unfortunately
You are acting like a clown… I get that you need to be sensational. Are you telling me that if Kansas State was invited to the Big Ten you wouldn’t want to go? Obviously Utah would’ve wanted to go and get $100 million a year. Obviously Utah would’ve wanted to go to the big 12 and play national brands weekend and week out. Is it because that’s where we think we belong, no… Did we wanna go? Yes! Just like any of the rest of the big 12 teams! As Utah fans, we didn’t think we were on the same level as Oregon, USC, Washington etc. But we loved playing and beating those teams. It’s the same way with Texas and OU. I’m sure you guys loved to play those teams because they are National brands that Garner a ton of respect even when it’s not warranted. We have now lost to exactly ONE big 12 team. And two PAC 12 teams that we stomped on a regular basis. WE ARE TERRIBLE RIGHT NOW. THERE IS DEFINITELY SOMETHING GOING ON IN SALT LAKE CITY. Do you really think it was just Utah fans that thought they had a very good shot at winning the big 12? They were favored by pretty much every national pundit and media. I know you are a big 12 Homer, and I’m actually thrilled to be in the big 12. I think we fit very well here and we will be extremely loyal to this conference. I know it’s fun to pile on right now because some Utah fans were being idiots. But you’re alienating the fan base of one of the better programs in your conference. Right now we suck for some reason but to say we’re not on the level of Oklahoma State who is 0 in 4 in conference play??? Weird!
@@_Doodle-bob Yes, they're very loud, vile, and repetitive.. It's amplified on Big 12 TH-cam because of how vile they are/were on Big 12 Twitter, especially during this Summer and pre season.
Let me clear something up for you John. It's not that the B12 is good, it's that Utah fell apart this year. Evidence of the B12s weakness is that a perennial bottom feeder like BYU who would regularly lose to fcs teams is now leading the Conference. Utah only has one Legacy B12 loss, you can't count UA and ASU They're from that weak PAC12 as you like to say. As for our record with USC, we've won the last four and beat Oregon twice in 2021 to win the CCG, so quit twisting the truth in an attempt to diminish our record. The truth be known we'll never recover from this. We will no longer be getting the same level of recruits who wanted the Chance to play USC, UCLA Oregon and UW. The B12 no longer have that Caliber of teams and Utah will suffer for it. The whole of the B12 is relegated to mediocracy without big names and markets.
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The Utah program has laid a huge egg, no sugar coating what is going on.
Before the TCU kickoff Utah fans were saying “we should win this, TCU is 1 of the bottom tier schools in the conference.”
After the game the realization hit hard that we are 1 of the bottom tier schools in the conference. Utah football is not in a good place right now😢
As a former PAC12 and Duck fan, i always respected how good UT always was and the great success they had in the PAC12. They have really fallen hard from where they were
Iowa State and Utah are complete opposites. Iowa State is humble and wins, Utah is arrogant and loses. Utah put all their faith in one player to win. Iowa State has 7 injured LBs and still has an awesome defense.
Iowa State and BYU are twins. I hope they meet in the CCG and are both undefeated.
Does Iowa State really just win all the time?
@@RobertWood-qp5rd Looks like it so far, doesn't it?
Hi Buddy Missed your live show last night going to listen to it on my walk . Utah Big XII needs you to be good and competitive. I believe 1 difference between BIG XII and Former PAC XII is that the teams in Current BIG XII is they all school are physical all of the venues are sold out Fans care about their teams, Isn't it fun Welcome to The Big XII
This problem should have been obvious from backup QB play and offensive inconsistency last season. If no other QB than Rising can run your offensive effectively you have program level issues on the offensive side of the ball.
The Pac12 was not good when utah won the league. USC was (still is) nowhere to be found; Washington was not good either; Oregon was competitive against utah, but nowhere near as strong as they are this year. Pac12 arrogantly refused to acknowledge it, but the league hasn't been relevant for several decades not.
Yeah, the big 12 has been a real powerhouse… Oklahoma has literally lost every New Year’s six bowl game. Texas has sucked for 20 years. Utah is now two and one against big 12 schools. I’m not understanding the logic. We have lost to two PAC 12 schools that we traditionally stomp. We suck this year… Hard to figure it out. But it’s the truth. Doesn’t mean you can go back in time and say we sucked in years past because that’s just not true
I don't feel bad for Utah at all. They come in here acting like the new Texas and you're going to get put in your place. This is a good league with good teams and you're seeing it.
Most BYU fans are still experiencing battered fan syndrome, so they're a little slow to get onboard this year. Being a BYU fan myself, I've shed most of that and have diceided to ride the wave with the team. Who knows, maybe we're building towards something more than just a "special season" - something lasting.
What was that saying before the season started?!? Wasn't it something like, "Utah will own the B12 & is a lock for the CFP for the B12"? Guess they don't practice, "next man up". Welcome to the B12 Utah. Now you know how Texas felt 15 of the last 16 years. EMAW
Sorry, John… but this is a very opinion-driven take, and your facts are just not correct. No offense to Iowa State, but their record was 7-6, 4-8, and 7-6 in 2021, 2022, 2023 respectively. K-state is more comparable to Utah, but also had a recent losing season in 2020 (4-6) and went 8-5 the next year… followed by two solid 10-4 and 9-4 season in 2022, and 2023. Since 2018, Utah has gone 9-5, 11-3, 3-2 (COVID year), 10-4, 10-4, and 8-5. Since 2014, Utah is top 20 in win percentage and doesn’t have a losing season during that time. Furthermore, Utah’s win percentage is top 20 this century. In the “new B12,” only TCU has slightly more wins since 2000. Nobody is denying Utah isn’t performing well this year for various reasons, but there is still lots of football left to be played before we get a clear picture. But, the negative generalization of Utah and its fandom is getting old and tired. Believe it not, I’m happy for the success of other B12 schools this year-it’s overall great for conference competitiveness. Utah will figure out their issues as they have done for a long time.
Very well said! The narrative is super tired. Believe it or not we are happy to be here and we fit in very well in this conference. I root for every big 12 team now. We know that the big 12 is a step down from the Big Ten and the SEC, and that’s just fine. Especially if we at the very least get an automatic bid. Then we’ve got a shot every year!
Go Cougars!
Perhaps Utah didn’t lie, they are “big 10” good. the Big 10 has become so media hyped they are not nearly as good top to bottom as they seem. And the average big 12 team is just as good as the average big 10 team.
It was genius for whoever it was to hype up Utah to a point that the head was too big for the stadium. It was the right amount of reverse psychology to make Utah think they are the 800 lb gorilla. Epic backfire
The one TD was on a long pass. nothing else worked all night
Good vid!
Utah's offense will likely be even worse now. Whittingham is not a competent manager of the offense either directly or indirectly
As a BYU fan, I am beyond thrilled that my Cougars are doing so well. While I don't expect the winning to last, I am grateful for their success so far. The Big 12 is far too competitive for BYU to be in the lead long-term.
Neal Brown is fired????? Yeah!!!
Utah needed a healthy Cam Rising back. Didn’t get it. Now the wheels are coming off the bus.
The era of Cam is over. Good team always have back up player to win games.
At this point I don’t care if utah even makes a bowl game as long as they beat byu the season will be a success
I don't think Ludwig is the problem. Wilson is pathetic. If he is truly the next best after healthy Rising then that is pathetic. IF you had EVER seen Rising beat Oregon and Heisman U$C ... you would "get it".
Time for Whit should go too. He gives off no energy!!!!
john kurtz acting like he didn’t believe the hype. everyone did not just just ute fans
Utah fans coping in the comments. Your time has come and passed
Who is your team? A program like Utah doesn’t fall apart in a year. Ultimately this will be a good learning experience. Morgan Scalley will be phenomenal!
As a fan of BYU since 78 it is absolutely PRICELESS to enjoy seeing who the Utes really are, just another run of the mill PAC12 South team.
If you want to see the truth about the PAC12 South, look no further than USC losing to Maryland.
All of this is so much more enjoyable as BYU is competitive at the Power 4 level in its second year, something UTAH took almost 10 years to accomplish despite having the recruiting advantage of being in a Power conference all those years.
The Holy War will still be a hard out for whichever team wins. Can’t wait for the bye week and the game.
Hope BYU takes care of business at UCF so our undefeated record is still on the line November 9th.
Utah is finding out that in Big 12 you got to move the ball in that league.
Super happy for all of our old Utah coaches that are now coaching at the Y. They are great people and deserve the best. Actually even happy for BYU. They’ve been irrelevant for a long time. Very impressed with this cougar clown that he’s willing to put himself out there before they come to Salt Lake City. We suck right now, but most BYU fans are still scared of November 9. Props to you for talking some trash!
This is such a strange comment because two of our three losses have come to PAC 12 doormats. The issue is a Utah issue, not that the big 12 is amazing! But keep telling yourself that!
@@RobertWood-qp5rd I respect a rivalry game no matter what the record of the opponent.
I would hope you are worried about November 9th as well, especially given the results of the last two night games at Rice Eccles.
Hopefully, both teams will put forth their best effort and one of us will enjoy another classic win.
@@RobertWood-qp5rd my point exactly. The PAC12 was nothing special, and your championships by extension weren’t either.
If memory serves, the year you backed into the PAC12 championship game, BYU was the de facto PAC12 South champion having gone 5-0 against the PAC12 South.
Pac12 was OVERRATED!
Really! How’s Oregon doing right now… How did Washington do last year? Seems to me like besides TCU Oklahoma won the big 12 every single year and lost their six bowl game every single year. The big 12 sucks… And we fit right in this year unfortunately
Jim Harding should leave as well he is mediocre at best as an O-line coach
You are acting like a clown… I get that you need to be sensational. Are you telling me that if Kansas State was invited to the Big Ten you wouldn’t want to go? Obviously Utah would’ve wanted to go and get $100 million a year. Obviously Utah would’ve wanted to go to the big 12 and play national brands weekend and week out. Is it because that’s where we think we belong, no… Did we wanna go? Yes! Just like any of the rest of the big 12 teams!
As Utah fans, we didn’t think we were on the same level as Oregon, USC, Washington etc. But we loved playing and beating those teams. It’s the same way with Texas and OU. I’m sure you guys loved to play those teams because they are National brands that Garner a ton of respect even when it’s not warranted.
We have now lost to exactly ONE big 12 team. And two PAC 12 teams that we stomped on a regular basis. WE ARE TERRIBLE RIGHT NOW. THERE IS DEFINITELY SOMETHING GOING ON IN SALT LAKE CITY.
Do you really think it was just Utah fans that thought they had a very good shot at winning the big 12? They were favored by pretty much every national pundit and media.
I know you are a big 12 Homer, and I’m actually thrilled to be in the big 12. I think we fit very well here and we will be extremely loyal to this conference. I know it’s fun to pile on right now because some Utah fans were being idiots. But you’re alienating the fan base of one of the better programs in your conference. Right now we suck for some reason but to say we’re not on the level of Oklahoma State who is 0 in 4 in conference play??? Weird!
lol, I love how you cherry pick “Utah fans” when it is very clear the minority of the fans made all of that noise.
Keep dunking.
Your minority is extremely loud on social media, especially TH-cam and Twitter... I haven't seen a single rational Utah fan on either platform 🤣
@@Guknowit are they that loud, or are their voices amplified by all the BIG12 TH-camrs? Probably a bit of both.
@@_Doodle-bob Yes, they're very loud, vile, and repetitive.. It's amplified on Big 12 TH-cam because of how vile they are/were on Big 12 Twitter, especially during this Summer and pre season.
@@Guknowit lol vile?
@@_Doodle-bob Yes vile, thinking you have God-tier talent when in fact you have sub-par tier, not even mid is disgusting and vile.
Now officially a Garbage Program with people & recruits jumping out of the windows to avoid the Flames 🔥
Let me clear something up for you John. It's not that the B12 is good, it's that Utah fell apart this year. Evidence of the B12s weakness is that a perennial bottom feeder like BYU who would regularly lose to fcs teams is now leading the Conference. Utah only has one Legacy B12 loss, you can't count UA and ASU They're from that weak PAC12 as you like to say. As for our record with USC, we've won the last four and beat Oregon twice in 2021 to win the CCG, so quit twisting the truth in an attempt to diminish our record. The truth be known we'll never recover from this. We will no longer be getting the same level of recruits who wanted the Chance to play USC, UCLA Oregon and UW. The B12 no longer have that Caliber of teams and Utah will suffer for it. The whole of the B12 is relegated to mediocracy without big names and markets.
@@utahutes63 Good luck explaining this, John and Drake Toll don’t want to hear this type of analysis.
Big 12 may not get a bid to the CFP
There it is, folks, the most ridiculous comment I’ve read today on TH-cam! 😅
@@BracketCat Indian will get a reality check at Columbus