He's absolutely correct! I'm 6'4" and when I committed to serious shoulder work people regularly started estimating my weight at 250+ when in reality I was around 210 due to my shoulder development.
@@Twinnda3rd sorry for delayed response, below: 1) dumbbell shrugs 3x15 or failure first 2) overhead dumbbell press 4x15 or failure first 3) dumbbell lateral flyers 4x30 or failure first ... worked posterior delts on back days
@@Twinnda3rd All i do is pullups and pushups. Never been to the gym. I think most people overlook how important strething is after cramping up the muscles. It just gives a wider look instead of that weird popeye build.
Back, shoulders, forearms and neck will make you look like a threat. I'm not big or anything but once I started improving my pencil neck and measly forearms, I started getting looks I didn't get before. My shoulders and back are always prioritized so no problems with that
@@sonzai5162exactly, neck training is so underrated, nobody does it. Doing only 2 months neck curls now, the difference is huge. Like you said, shoulder and neck are recovering fast, hitting them two times a week.
This is actually facts. I work all of my muscle groups pretty regularly, but when changes started happening, the first thing my roommate said to me was “bruh, your shoulders are looking broad as fuck”
Shoulders are also the “middle men” for most of your upper body exercises. So everything else in the upper body benefits from you putting in work in that area.
Ive worked out my entire life, but completely stopped from 2017-20. I kept my weight down via diet. But looking back at those pics, the one thing that totally repulses me, is how thin my neck and traps got. And really, it's just the neck, because that's the one thing you can't cover up. That's the only motivation i need to keep lifting 💪
well, direct neck training can work wonders. neck curls, for he start and for maintenance unweighted or manual resistance is enough , but a small plate also works. neck extensions, and to round it off neck laterals and neck twists(rotations) will do the rest but neck curls will give you 80-90% of the visual, neck laterals and twists also work the same muscles, but in addition to the rest of the neck, not just the front. if you don't have weights neck laterals are easily th most powerful since they train the whole neck and are the hardest, with strict form and full ROM even unweighted is too hard for many. bonus: traps get hit pretty damn good as well, add shoulder training and you needt to worry aout not having permanently sore traps.
@@mellomessatsu it's crazy how much I shriveled up in those three years. My arms looked repulsive, my legs. I'll never allow myself to get that way again. If I ever get to the age where I can't keep size on I'll hop on testosterone.
I was looking bsck at when i first started the other day and felt so sad. I used to be bulimic and boarderline anorexic. I felt so fat my entire life and only wore hoodies throughout all of middle and highschool because i thought i was fat. And even when i started working out and was skij and bones with atrophied natural muscle mass i still thought i was fat and ashamed of it. Yet looking back i can finally see how skinny i was. Sickly looking. I almost cried looking back at it because even now i still feel im tiny even though im currently 215lb and called big by people pretty regularly. But looking back at that made me realize how far id come and how even now im probably still having body dysmorphia it just switched from feeling fat to feeling small.
Absolutely true. I wasn't blessed with 12 pack abs genetics. But as a kid I was x rayed when I was born because they thought I dislocated by shoulders...It was just that I had much wider than average shoulders.
Isometric exercise for wider shoulders: Stand in the middle if a wide door-frame. Put you elbows against the frame at both sides "trying to make the door-frame wider" and press hard.
Very useful! Thank you Dr. Mike! I was training about 10 years ago with a woman bodybuilder, she was I think in her late 40s. I was in my 20s and skinny. She told me I only need to train shoulders and legs to look good.
I can confirm this. At only 180 lbs at 5'11", I'm not actually the biggest dude, but thanks to having very well developed lats and shoulders, I look a lot bigger than I actually am.
dam, im 5'8 but all i do is pullups and starting to do latgs more often. My back and shouders are getting there and it is true. Everytime I walk by a mirrior, I can see myself broad and wide at 160lbs
@@shakurfaith it's not big. I'm 181lb / 82kg 5'9 14% bodyfat. I look like I go gym and have a V taper, but definitely not 'big'. There are plenty of meatheads in the gym far bigger
So true about your waist to shoulders ratio! I was actually saying that for the past couple of years. People that are all set up on trying to lose fat. And I mean sure go for it. But sometimes really all you have to do is build up your upper body more and it’s going to make you look a lot slimmer in the waist.
Having a „good“ bone structure tho helps a ton. Someone with wide clavicals and a small waist can have less muscle and still look „bigger“ then the guy with the shorter clavicals cause. This is especially true with naturals cause lets be honest most of your progress will be in the first 2 years of lifting and once you got that you see if you have good genetics or you dont
In my opinion this is the wrong way to look at it. Your statements give the impression you’re training to be ‘bigger’ or ‘better’ than others, hence the comparison of bone structure. My belief is that one should be in competition with their past or current self. So if I look at myself and want to look wider, the logical thought is build delts, not “if only I was born taller and wider all my problems would go away”
@@thefuturespast5981 if you think being bigger means you’re better than someone else, that means you base much of your self-esteem on appearance. It shows a lack of love for yourself. You were probably joking, but either way. I wish you all the best
@Besgod-iu2fx My self-esteem is fine. I don't think being bigger makes you "better", but I am training to be "better". I'm training so compared to others I am bigger, healthier, fitter, more aesthetic etc. This do it for yourself stuff is annoying, go with what makes you do it, what makes you want to go to the gym. If it's your ex fine, that's infinitely better than staying at home and saying you'll go gym for yourself tmrw.
He's 100% right ... when I started getting into lifting I was a little twig but I still genetically had broad shoulders. After I started lifting and putting on size , my shoulders were the first thing friends and family noticed about me
When i started hitting my back, particularly lats more aggresively (30 warm up pull ups +cable pushdown SS, seated lat pull down, cable rows, machine rows, all with activatdd lats) I started noticing a big improvement in overall vtaper appearance. Shoulders do play a important role as well.
This is actually legit good advice for the young team or for someone just starting the gym… like proper legit. I’m sure he probably goes on to talk about making sure you got baseline Cardio before you even start (I hope) Good channel though overall. No bs and that’s rare these days. Respect to you bro 🫡
I've got narrow clavicles, so I'm fighting a big battle of genetics to try and get broader shoulders. I've had a bit of success with 3 months of shoulder focused workouts, but I've still got a long way to go, particularly as I didn't know all this until I was already 44 years old and 5.5 years into my lifting journey.
@@AlfimAlvessuch a fcking lie. Robpal, dont let people tell you that your genetics are fcked. Dont put a lid on your potential, there is quite literally no limit. Dont set yourself up for failure, we have different starting points but that doesn't mean you can't still grow huge
Bro try doing tons of Pike pushups. those have been 🔥 as fuck for my delts and upper back strength. Also if you have somekind of dip bars at ground level, try doing "inverted rows" including "archer rows" and "australian pull ups" (variation of inverted rows). These have been crazy for my delts and forearms in the last two months
Do isolation exercises only!!!!! Screw what we've been taught to do compound exercises maybe if you're skinny and just getting started. I learned it from a guy that had massive massive Delts and arms he is incredible. I had always done compound exercises due to powerlifting and what seems to be mainstream it's all bullshit. If you need to bring up an individual body part do isolation exercises. The end! Your results will be absolutely astounding if you beat the hell out of them and recover properly.
Work your back. Shoulders really don't have that much room to grow if you're doing this naturally. Your back can can really grow a lot more and make you look bigger, with the added bonus of correcting a lot of poor posture and give the illusion of being bigger (Or correct the illusion of being smaller than you are). Both together will be best of course though
there's a reason I just started a delt(mostly side delt) prioritization block, 2-4 times the volume than for the rest , would destroy me on legs but even with mostly more stretch focused exercises my delts can actually take it, only thing I need to worry about is not hitting my traps too much so they end up perma-sore
Ex: Paul Dillett at the 1994 Mr. Olympia. The second greatest waist to shoulder differential ever behind Brian Buchanan, only Paul’s delts were legitimately bigger than his damn head. If only he had a back to match the rest of him and could hold a pose more than 3 seconds…
It is crazy to me to hear bodybuilding principles put into simple words. I was a people watcher. I couldn’t explain why I preferred the look of certain physiques over others. I just knew that “something” was more appealing. It was this! I would figure out that bodybuilder’s training split and then hit it. Years later, still benefiting 😌.
I got this advice super early on and it helped immensely. I’m tiny compared to anyone who frequents the gym but my waist to shoulder ration makes me look jacked in the right cloths
Definitely agree. Although I'm probably biased because my deltoids grow easier than any other muscle. I barely need to touch a dumbbell and my shoulders swell up. My biceps, on the other hand, are a very different story. But hey, they can't all be winners
Totally correct, I am a really small guy, like 150lb wet and am lucky to have broad shoulders and upper chest. Someone once described me as stocky. when I am actually a weed 😂
It's a really good point, and he's right on. I have naturally broad shoulders, and people have always noticed it. Even when I was out of shape and bigger in the waist, I looked like I was in okay shape- but when I lost weight and slimmed down at the waist, I looked jacked.
A good piece of advice I got once to have "bigger arms faster" was to work your triceps harder than your biceps. Why only work 2 muscles (BI-ceps) when you could work 3 (TRI-ceps)? Having the lateral head of your triceps bulging out of the side of your arm even while relaxed looks incredible. I'd argue that outside of legs & chest, triceps is a strong contender for 2nd place.
Helps women too with the illusion of a small waist. I have a 26-26.5 inch waist but my lats and shoulder make the contrast noticeable. Plus I have hips so had to build my lats and shoulders and delts to balance out my pear shape
It's just so cool that it helps all your body regardless of what muscles you work. At some point it's more harmful than good but for the majority they never reach that. I'm getting started again and I haven't been active since high school. I'm only 22 though. I miss the strength and how good you feel. Your heart and body feels incredible
@@chilldoc9638Dr Mike would not look big in this clip if his neck was not the size of his jaw line. If you look at pictures of Mike Tyson and search only headshots, he looks huge because his traps and neck are fucking huge
I cut down for the first time in my life i bulked for like 3 years and now i lost 15kg. My waist is so fkg small and my shoulders are really wide... im not even crazy jacked yet, i train for 4years now i do look alot like arnold tho same insertions and dominant chest etc but i literally cant buy clothes my shoulders are in the XL range and my waist is in the S lol. Also i went from a 34 waist in pants to a 31 maybe even a 30 last time i had that i was 15 or something.😂
@@Keepgoing9919 yeah exactly also xl is mostly maxe for fat people that are xl around the belly so they are not only long but also too wide in the wrong area
I agree 100% that wide shoulders are the most impressive component of a male physique. However, unfortunately, lifting weights isn't going to make your shoulders a great deal wider. You may be able to pack on a bit of width by developing your delts, and create the illusion of being wider by keeping your midsection reasonably lean ( for a better V-taper), but it's the width of your frame ( namely your clavicles and scapulas) that is mostly going to contribute to that look.
exactly. personally I got medium to relatively narrow shoulders(bone structure) but at least a small waist and great V taper, but my lats made a much bigger difference. still, great delts are awesome and definetly help, my chest and shoulders kinda had a "glow up" recently and it defietly gave me a bigger, more compact and "mature" look. but without the bone structure your never gonna be "the big guy" even if you have great development
I disagree, building delts gave me a width increase of at least 20% Would having wider clavicles make it wider? Sure, but I don’t see how that’s relevant at all. You can’t force your clavicles to get wider, but you can optimise diet and exercise to grow delts. Will you be wider than a 7 ft tall bodybuilder? Probably not, and no one said that was the case.
@@Besgod-iu2fx did you measure width or circumference? for the later lats, chest and even th long head or the tricep matter much more and even for actual width they push your arms out to the side. now delts make a difference, but getting such big side delts that they add inches(more than a couple) to your frame? I do't think so. it still matters, but the rounded shoulder look is a bigger gain than the little extra width IMO
@Besgod-iu2fx I doubt you increased your width by 20%. That means if your shoulders were 20 inches (about average) from side delt to side delt, you increased each shoulder by 2 inches....unlikely. I think you may be referring to your upper body/ shoulder circumference instead. My post is relevant because that was the whole point of it - you can't increase the width of your structure, which is the biggest determining factor of looking wide.
@@jlomb11 measuring width from widest part of the delt. Before starting to train, the top of my shoulder was the widest. Now as there is roundness to the shoulder, the widest part of my shoulder is a bit lower. Doing the calcs, it’s between 15% and 20% growth. Regardless, I consider that a substantial change to the “frame”
Pull ups and chin ups routine with bodyweight and weighted will make all of this happen. Everything and I mean everything on your upper body will grow while your core gets massively strong. Your waistline will melt away. A GOAT exercise to accomplish this.
@@Enhanced-Atrophy that's not a bad thing. it's also gonna vary over time. sometimes I could only train side delts every 4 days(barely) and rear delts hardly at all(except for lat focused rows and pull downs), now they're hit every other day and at they're best ever, after a long low volume phase. just do what works, if your delt get sore and need tme to heal it means you hit them well
Imagine a wide back with narrow shoulders...that would look weird as hell. But if you have massive, wide shoulders without a big back, people likely won't notice.
Big shoulders with average back still make you look hella wider, big back with average shoulders make your arms flare out, but you still don't look as wide. Just look like a bloated peacock when walking.
@@Tomo-wg2iq man, 99% of the general public doesn't even understand what a muscular back is. The only thing they visually process is height, abs, arms, and broadness.
Oh shoot I never thought of that. The funny thing is is I love shoulder workouts they're one of my favorites. It's probably actually my favorite workout overall.
I agree, I’ve been working out and am nowhere near looking jacked. However the other day I wore. Hoody and a coat, the hood got ticket in and made my shoulders look bigger; my wife told me that the hoody made my shoulder look big hand and she can’t wait until I get buff from working out. Might take me two to three years to get some muscle, silk won’t be jacked but hopefully better than I am now.
The real answer is your back. Your trapezius and lats completely change the visual complex of your back. Big lats will help accentuate your arms, delts, and V-taper. Bigger trapezius and rhomboids help develop that crazy definition from behind, giving you the appearance that your back is eating your shirt. From the front it helps to round out your shoulders, increasing the asthetic of not only your shoulder but you neck. If I am wrong about any of this, please correct me. Otherwise, your back is king.
Spot on and I guessed it. I have only been a workout guy for maybe 3 years but due to the fact that I have been an Ironworker for 20 years, my shoulders are big and make me look much more muscular than just my 190 lb athletic build.
Love this thank you. I’ve always loved working my shoulders and have a very broad frame of with long clavicles. I wear a 50L jacket at 6’2 up from a 44L when I was younger. Also tall traps looks great even in a heavy coat. Side delt raises for the win!
As someone that's already putting emphasis on trying to get broader shoulders and thinning my waist by a couple pounds, this is just more free motivation.
Ive been training my traps and delts religiously. Put a few inches on my shoulders. My wife said you look incredible. That girl never throws out comments. It was a win.
As a side note I would advice to all beginners to initially focus on Side delts like lateral raises. Front delts often gets trained with some other lifts like chest press but lateral and rear delts are where the true magic can begin
Shoulders and back go hand in hand. I have quite a wide body for a male who is 5foot2 inches tall. If you also develop your shoulders, then it compliments your frame and makes you look extremely wide. For back, barbell rows, deadlift, pull up, lat pulldowns and low row's do the trick for me. Lat pulldowns and pull ups especially help with giving you batman wings
The V tapper is the male equivalent of the hourglass figure
Factual statement
No lies here
Never thought of that lol
Facts.
And forearms are the cleavage
It's insane how much useful advice Dr Mike gives
@penderyn8794in that case you should give head more often
It's more like an observation
I do lots of strength work so I’m kinda fat
@penderyn8794what exercises do you do?
@@AngelSandoval-wg4hm 3 sets of being corny on the internet (1 rep max)
I train shoulders more frequently that anything else for this reason, and because of the quick recovery 👌🏼
Did u see results?
@@FPL_Habesha yes I think so
doubt it@@FPL_Habesha
Same. Started training my lateral delts from 2x a week to now 3x a week and they are growing pretty fast - all while keeping the volume same.
@@himeshsinghshishodiya reps and sets please 🙏
4 sets of willy curls, got it. thanks doc
Gotta get that 18inch girth bro.
Do your neck curls..😂
Do you go until failure for each set?
100 cock pushups
willy curls?
One is all you need 👌
He's absolutely correct! I'm 6'4" and when I committed to serious shoulder work people regularly started estimating my weight at 250+ when in reality I was around 210 due to my shoulder development.
What were u doing for your shoulders?
Same. But for some fucking reason I was 61kg at the time. Did someone take my kidney or something, I wasn't even skinny
@@Twinnda3rd sorry for delayed response, below:
1) dumbbell shrugs 3x15 or failure first
2) overhead dumbbell press 4x15 or failure first
3) dumbbell lateral flyers 4x30 or failure first
... worked posterior delts on back days
@@Twinnda3rd All i do is pullups and pushups. Never been to the gym. I think most people overlook how important strething is after cramping up the muscles. It just gives a wider look instead of that weird popeye build.
I'm at the same weight at 5'10 8% body fat
Back, shoulders, forearms and neck will make you look like a threat. I'm not big or anything but once I started improving my pencil neck and measly forearms, I started getting looks I didn't get before. My shoulders and back are always prioritized so no problems with that
In this video Mike does mention them as bonuses, which exercises you do for the neck? Shrugs?
@@Frinx2direct neck work, bro
@@sonzai5162neck curls are common but just make sure to do them slowly to avoid injury
@@sonzai5162exactly, neck training is so underrated, nobody does it. Doing only 2 months neck curls now, the difference is huge. Like you said, shoulder and neck are recovering fast, hitting them two times a week.
@@pd-yk8kk of course, I've been doing them for a while now along with neck extensions
This is actually facts. I work all of my muscle groups pretty regularly, but when changes started happening, the first thing my roommate said to me was “bruh, your shoulders are looking broad as fuck”
Did u fuck?
Cool story bruh
@@TheAgeOfTheWolf Let someone be happy about his accomplishments
@@TheAgeOfTheWolf gay
@@eloquentsloth6080didn't he just say cool story?😂😂
That's why I always loved working on my shoulders, chest and traps. It's sets the stage from a distance from how people perceive you.
I wanna train your glutes the most.
- The Diddler😊
So ridiculous lol, no one cares
@@B2Roland ...yet, you cared enough to respond 🙄😒🤦🏾♂️💁🏾♂️.
@@VaughnMcGregor Great session training your glutes with my boys, we’ll do it again when I get out.
- The Diddler
Shoulders are also the “middle men” for most of your upper body exercises. So everything else in the upper body benefits from you putting in work in that area.
wide v taper with broad shoulders is impressive
Ive worked out my entire life, but completely stopped from 2017-20. I kept my weight down via diet. But looking back at those pics, the one thing that totally repulses me, is how thin my neck and traps got. And really, it's just the neck, because that's the one thing you can't cover up. That's the only motivation i need to keep lifting 💪
well, direct neck training can work wonders. neck curls, for he start and for maintenance unweighted or manual resistance is enough , but a small plate also works. neck extensions, and to round it off neck laterals and neck twists(rotations) will do the rest but neck curls will give you 80-90% of the visual, neck laterals and twists also work the same muscles, but in addition to the rest of the neck, not just the front. if you don't have weights neck laterals are easily th most powerful since they train the whole neck and are the hardest, with strict form and full ROM even unweighted is too hard for many. bonus: traps get hit pretty damn good as well, add shoulder training and you needt to worry aout not having permanently sore traps.
A bigger neck makes you more masculine and dangerous looking and is rarely talked about in bodybuilding
@@mellomessatsu it's crazy how much I shriveled up in those three years. My arms looked repulsive, my legs. I'll never allow myself to get that way again. If I ever get to the age where I can't keep size on I'll hop on testosterone.
I was looking bsck at when i first started the other day and felt so sad. I used to be bulimic and boarderline anorexic. I felt so fat my entire life and only wore hoodies throughout all of middle and highschool because i thought i was fat. And even when i started working out and was skij and bones with atrophied natural muscle mass i still thought i was fat and ashamed of it. Yet looking back i can finally see how skinny i was. Sickly looking. I almost cried looking back at it because even now i still feel im tiny even though im currently 215lb and called big by people pretty regularly. But looking back at that made me realize how far id come and how even now im probably still having body dysmorphia it just switched from feeling fat to feeling small.
Look up Mike Tyson neck training. lol
I'm enjoying the back and forth with Greg..TH-cam gold
Absolutely true. I wasn't blessed with 12 pack abs genetics. But as a kid I was x rayed when I was born because they thought I dislocated by shoulders...It was just that I had much wider than average shoulders.
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Dr Mike thank you for the insightful info and the laughs.
Isometric exercise for wider shoulders: Stand in the middle if a wide door-frame. Put you elbows against the frame at both sides "trying to make the door-frame wider" and press hard.
As someone with tiny shoulders i definitely agree small shoulders make you look smaller
Very useful! Thank you Dr. Mike! I was training about 10 years ago with a woman bodybuilder, she was I think in her late 40s. I was in my 20s and skinny. She told me I only need to train shoulders and legs to look good.
Makes sense from an aesthetic point of view
I can confirm this. At only 180 lbs at 5'11", I'm not actually the biggest dude, but thanks to having very well developed lats and shoulders, I look a lot bigger than I actually am.
dam, im 5'8 but all i do is pullups and starting to do latgs more often. My back and shouders are getting there and it is true. Everytime I walk by a mirrior, I can see myself broad and wide at 160lbs
180 and 5'11 is not even remotely small.
How tf is 5'11 at 180lbs not big? I'm only 5lbs heavier and 1 inch taller but they say I'm too big. We probably look relatively similar
@@shakurfaith it's not big. I'm 181lb / 82kg 5'9 14% bodyfat. I look like I go gym and have a V taper, but definitely not 'big'. There are plenty of meatheads in the gym far bigger
@@bodrulm1 you have shitty genetics dude. If you're training, 82kgs look bigger at your height.
So true about your waist to shoulders ratio! I was actually saying that for the past couple of years. People that are all set up on trying to lose fat. And I mean sure go for it. But sometimes really all you have to do is build up your upper body more and it’s going to make you look a lot slimmer in the waist.
True and chicks notice the shoulders first as well. Very true!
I think chicks notice the ass first.
Yes we do!!
And if you're in shorts, they will definitely look at your calves lol
@@sirloin9348 nooooo!
If you work out for attention of other you are a creep narcissist. Work out for your health nit for others approval.
Having a „good“ bone structure tho helps a ton. Someone with wide clavicals and a small waist can have less muscle and still look „bigger“ then the guy with the shorter clavicals cause.
This is especially true with naturals cause lets be honest most of your progress will be in the first 2 years of lifting and once you got that you see if you have good genetics or you dont
In my opinion this is the wrong way to look at it. Your statements give the impression you’re training to be ‘bigger’ or ‘better’ than others, hence the comparison of bone structure.
My belief is that one should be in competition with their past or current self.
So if I look at myself and want to look wider, the logical thought is build delts, not “if only I was born taller and wider all my problems would go away”
@@Besgod-iu2fx I am training to be bigger and better than others and? 😂😂😂
@@thefuturespast5981 if you think being bigger means you’re better than someone else, that means you base much of your self-esteem on appearance.
It shows a lack of love for yourself.
You were probably joking, but either way.
I wish you all the best
@Besgod-iu2fx My self-esteem is fine. I don't think being bigger makes you "better", but I am training to be "better". I'm training so compared to others I am bigger, healthier, fitter, more aesthetic etc. This do it for yourself stuff is annoying, go with what makes you do it, what makes you want to go to the gym. If it's your ex fine, that's infinitely better than staying at home and saying you'll go gym for yourself tmrw.
yes milk is nice
Starting to love this guy Dr. Mike
He's 100% right ... when I started getting into lifting I was a little twig but I still genetically had broad shoulders. After I started lifting and putting on size , my shoulders were the first thing friends and family noticed about me
When i started hitting my back, particularly lats more aggresively (30 warm up pull ups +cable pushdown SS, seated lat pull down, cable rows, machine rows, all with activatdd lats) I started noticing a big improvement in overall vtaper appearance. Shoulders do play a important role as well.
I bet it's the butt muscle. Just the one. And yes butt muscle is the technical term
I've been telling people for years that they need to be training their sphincter more! That's why I train mine daily!
@@ebenaceto94971 and 2 and 3 and clinch
@@ebenaceto9497but are you training to failure?
@@susanwojcickisnicetwin yes i like my chicken breast medium rare
Dr mike says 4x per week is best 4-10 sets per workout
Great advice
It's insane how beautiful Dr. Mike's eyes are😂❤
What about mine? 😢
@@testAccount-eb2ve 😂
@@collaquatica7273 😂? 🤔
He has good genetics and could very attractive . He just doesn’t care and is a gym bro
This guy is the BEST! Hitting my 32nd year of weight training great information 👌🏽
Dr. Mike tells us what we all want to know, while being funny and somehow it’s still always grounded in science. It’s amazing!
I love Dr. Mike❤
The algorithm blessed me, I’ve been hooked ever since. Why the fuck is this guy soo cool 😂😂😂
Dr. Mike as usual correct
This is actually legit good advice for the young team or for someone just starting the gym… like proper legit. I’m sure he probably goes on to talk about making sure you got baseline Cardio before you even start (I hope)
Good channel though overall. No bs and that’s rare these days. Respect to you bro 🫡
This sounds like every day is going to be shoulder day for me now
Don't, you need to recover. Do it twice a week
The timing of me seeing this was perfect. Just started training shoulders directly again recently.
I've got narrow clavicles, so I'm fighting a big battle of genetics to try and get broader shoulders.
I've had a bit of success with 3 months of shoulder focused workouts, but I've still got a long way to go, particularly as I didn't know all this until I was already 44 years old and 5.5 years into my lifting journey.
Narrow clavicles = game over
@@AlfimAlvessuch a fcking lie. Robpal, dont let people tell you that your genetics are fcked. Dont put a lid on your potential, there is quite literally no limit. Dont set yourself up for failure, we have different starting points but that doesn't mean you can't still grow huge
Bro try doing tons of Pike pushups. those have been 🔥 as fuck for my delts and upper back strength. Also if you have somekind of dip bars at ground level, try doing "inverted rows" including "archer rows" and "australian pull ups" (variation of inverted rows). These have been crazy for my delts and forearms in the last two months
Do isolation exercises only!!!!! Screw what we've been taught to do compound exercises maybe if you're skinny and just getting started. I learned it from a guy that had massive massive Delts and arms he is incredible. I had always done compound exercises due to powerlifting and what seems to be mainstream it's all bullshit. If you need to bring up an individual body part do isolation exercises. The end! Your results will be absolutely astounding if you beat the hell out of them and recover properly.
Work your back. Shoulders really don't have that much room to grow if you're doing this naturally. Your back can can really grow a lot more and make you look bigger, with the added bonus of correcting a lot of poor posture and give the illusion of being bigger (Or correct the illusion of being smaller than you are). Both together will be best of course though
Excellent advice thanks a lot
there's a reason I just started a delt(mostly side delt) prioritization block, 2-4 times the volume than for the rest , would destroy me on legs but even with mostly more stretch focused exercises my delts can actually take it, only thing I need to worry about is not hitting my traps too much so they end up perma-sore
Very enjoyable video !!!
Ex: Paul Dillett at the 1994 Mr. Olympia. The second greatest waist to shoulder differential ever behind Brian Buchanan, only Paul’s delts were legitimately bigger than his damn head.
If only he had a back to match the rest of him and could hold a pose more than 3 seconds…
Yea, why he didn't win?
100% true i once got call extremely wide be Travis Ortmayer, best compliment i ever received.
Totally agree. I always use Dwight Howard as an example.
It is crazy to me to hear bodybuilding principles put into simple words. I was a people watcher. I couldn’t explain why I preferred the look of certain physiques over others. I just knew that “something” was more appealing. It was this! I would figure out that bodybuilder’s training split and then hit it. Years later, still benefiting 😌.
Why do you mean “people watcher” lmao
my friends and i refer to said v-shape as “the dorito build” 😂
Interesting name since Doritos is probably one of the best ways to never have one 😂
I got this advice super early on and it helped immensely. I’m tiny compared to anyone who frequents the gym but my waist to shoulder ration makes me look jacked in the right cloths
This guy might be right. He should train people or create an App🤔.
He has an app called RP hypertrophy
@@Cypher_TripThats the joke 😊
@@lun4r866 ahhh ok, I wasn’t sure if this person was joking or not.
THE RP HYPERTROPHY APP
He should try and get a PhD in exercise science or something.
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Thanks dr mike
Definitely agree. Although I'm probably biased because my deltoids grow easier than any other muscle. I barely need to touch a dumbbell and my shoulders swell up. My biceps, on the other hand, are a very different story. But hey, they can't all be winners
Mike one of the best voices on TH-cam!
Where all my naturally large shoulder bros at!!! Dips for days son!!
Absolutely spot on. 👌🏼
Totally correct, I am a really small guy, like 150lb wet and am lucky to have broad shoulders and upper chest. Someone once described me as stocky. when I am actually a weed 😂
It's a really good point, and he's right on. I have naturally broad shoulders, and people have always noticed it. Even when I was out of shape and bigger in the waist, I looked like I was in okay shape- but when I lost weight and slimmed down at the waist, I looked jacked.
A good piece of advice I got once to have "bigger arms faster" was to work your triceps harder than your biceps. Why only work 2 muscles (BI-ceps) when you could work 3 (TRI-ceps)?
Having the lateral head of your triceps bulging out of the side of your arm even while relaxed looks incredible.
I'd argue that outside of legs & chest, triceps is a strong contender for 2nd place.
Bro psychology right there. Thanks doc 🙏
Have always agrees with this, big traps don’t hurt either
theyre okay, functional but not aesthetic
Facts big traps n neck make you look big especially with bigger collared clothes that expose a bit of your traps
@@GreyGrim ooooh, believe me, girls LOVE traps...
Shoulders are key... soooo agree!!
This guy knows what he is talking about. He should make a channel and do this consistently 🤔
He doesn’t know shit. You want real science based fitness advice. Search “Lyle MacDonald”
Thank you that is beast info brotha!🙏🔥❤️🔥❤️🔥
Helps women too with the illusion of a small waist. I have a 26-26.5 inch waist but my lats and shoulder make the contrast noticeable. Plus I have hips so had to build my lats and shoulders and delts to balance out my pear shape
uhh, a 26 inch waist IS small, lol
It's just so cool that it helps all your body regardless of what muscles you work. At some point it's more harmful than good but for the majority they never reach that. I'm getting started again and I haven't been active since high school. I'm only 22 though. I miss the strength and how good you feel. Your heart and body feels incredible
I argue traps, neck, and shoulders should be one.
Neck really is overrated
@@chilldoc9638not really. In clothes it makes you look way bigger same with shoulders
@@ajnegro2052 no one really looks as that, calves forearms and neck, muscles no one really cares about
@@chilldoc9638 neck def matters. It’s visible all the time
@@chilldoc9638Dr Mike would not look big in this clip if his neck was not the size of his jaw line. If you look at pictures of Mike Tyson and search only headshots, he looks huge because his traps and neck are fucking huge
I based my whole first mesocycle on the video this short is from and I couldn't be happier with the results!
I cut down for the first time in my life i bulked for like 3 years and now i lost 15kg. My waist is so fkg small and my shoulders are really wide... im not even crazy jacked yet, i train for 4years now i do look alot like arnold tho same insertions and dominant chest etc but i literally cant buy clothes my shoulders are in the XL range and my waist is in the S lol. Also i went from a 34 waist in pants to a 31 maybe even a 30 last time i had that i was 15 or something.😂
I kind of have the same problem, I need xl shirts because large is too tight around my armpits but xl tends to be too long for my torso
@@Keepgoing9919 yeah exactly also xl is mostly maxe for fat people that are xl around the belly so they are not only long but also too wide in the wrong area
used to be lacking at my shoulders, started training them 2x a week with spamming lateral raises and they’ve been growing like crazy
I agree 100% that wide shoulders are the most impressive component of a male physique. However, unfortunately, lifting weights isn't going to make your shoulders a great deal wider. You may be able to pack on a bit of width by developing your delts, and create the illusion of being wider by keeping your midsection reasonably lean ( for a better V-taper), but it's the width of your frame ( namely your clavicles and scapulas) that is mostly going to contribute to that look.
exactly. personally I got medium to relatively narrow shoulders(bone structure) but at least a small waist and great V taper, but my lats made a much bigger difference. still, great delts are awesome and definetly help, my chest and shoulders kinda had a "glow up" recently and it defietly gave me a bigger, more compact and "mature" look. but without the bone structure your never gonna be "the big guy" even if you have great development
I disagree, building delts gave me a width increase of at least 20%
Would having wider clavicles make it wider? Sure, but I don’t see how that’s relevant at all. You can’t force your clavicles to get wider, but you can optimise diet and exercise to grow delts.
Will you be wider than a 7 ft tall bodybuilder? Probably not, and no one said that was the case.
@@Besgod-iu2fx did you measure width or circumference? for the later lats, chest and even th long head or the tricep matter much more and even for actual width they push your arms out to the side. now delts make a difference, but getting such big side delts that they add inches(more than a couple) to your frame? I do't think so. it still matters, but the rounded shoulder look is a bigger gain than the little extra width IMO
@Besgod-iu2fx I doubt you increased your width by 20%. That means if your shoulders were 20 inches (about average) from side delt to side delt, you increased each shoulder by 2 inches....unlikely. I think you may be referring to your upper body/ shoulder circumference instead. My post is relevant because that was the whole point of it - you can't increase the width of your structure, which is the biggest determining factor of looking wide.
@@jlomb11 measuring width from widest part of the delt. Before starting to train, the top of my shoulder was the widest. Now as there is roundness to the shoulder, the widest part of my shoulder is a bit lower.
Doing the calcs, it’s between 15% and 20% growth. Regardless, I consider that a substantial change to the “frame”
I’m watching your channel for, probably, a year and just noticed how beautiful your blue eyes are.
Man us narrow clavicle guys ain’t got it easy 😭😭😭
Pull ups and chin ups routine with bodyweight and weighted will make all of this happen. Everything and I mean everything on your upper body will grow while your core gets massively strong. Your waistline will melt away. A GOAT exercise to accomplish this.
I have a really hard time growing my delts
i think everyone does, just train them whenever possible as they recover fast
@@mingus445_gaming only rear delts for me, if I train side delts I have to wait 72hrs for appropriate recovery 😓
@@Enhanced-Atrophy front delts?!
@@mingus445_gaming I train front delts with compounds (especially OHP and incline presses) I'm not able to do it frequently
@@Enhanced-Atrophy that's not a bad thing. it's also gonna vary over time. sometimes I could only train side delts every 4 days(barely) and rear delts hardly at all(except for lat focused rows and pull downs), now they're hit every other day and at they're best ever, after a long low volume phase. just do what works, if your delt get sore and need tme to heal it means you hit them well
I’ve always hated training shoulders, but this makes sense!
Naw Lats for that nice V
Nope
@@Tomo-wg2iq yep
Imagine a wide back with narrow shoulders...that would look weird as hell. But if you have massive, wide shoulders without a big back, people likely won't notice.
Big shoulders with average back still make you look hella wider, big back with average shoulders make your arms flare out, but you still don't look as wide. Just look like a bloated peacock when walking.
@@Tomo-wg2iq man, 99% of the general public doesn't even understand what a muscular back is. The only thing they visually process is height, abs, arms, and broadness.
hardest little muscle group for most men to build but make a world of difference, well done dr M 🥇
Ya the shoulder thing is legit. Even when I wasn't working out people tink I do just because genetics
Also, not so much to show size but one part that definitely shows strength I'd say is when someone has big forearms
Mike got all the bois spamming lateral raises . Thanks bro.
I don’t understand the desire to be huge, but to each their own.
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Oh shoot I never thought of that.
The funny thing is is I love shoulder workouts they're one of my favorites.
It's probably actually my favorite workout overall.
I agree, I’ve been working out and am nowhere near looking jacked. However the other day I wore. Hoody and a coat, the hood got ticket in and made my shoulders look bigger; my wife told me that the hoody made my shoulder look big hand and she can’t wait until I get buff from working out. Might take me two to three years to get some muscle, silk won’t be jacked but hopefully better than I am now.
Eating is 90 percent of it
As a man with a wide back and broad shoulders since birth, I concur with this statement.
shoulder, traps, neck, lats and forearms
The real answer is your back. Your trapezius and lats completely change the visual complex of your back. Big lats will help accentuate your arms, delts, and V-taper. Bigger trapezius and rhomboids help develop that crazy definition from behind, giving you the appearance that your back is eating your shirt. From the front it helps to round out your shoulders, increasing the asthetic of not only your shoulder but you neck.
If I am wrong about any of this, please correct me. Otherwise, your back is king.
Spot on and I guessed it. I have only been a workout guy for maybe 3 years but due to the fact that I have been an Ironworker for 20 years, my shoulders are big and make me look much more muscular than just my 190 lb athletic build.
Love this thank you. I’ve always loved working my shoulders and have a very broad frame of with long clavicles. I wear a 50L jacket at 6’2 up from a 44L when I was younger.
Also tall traps looks great even in a heavy coat.
Side delt raises for the win!
You guys are funny af. Do you do any lifting videos anymore?🙏🏼🙏🏼
I heart Dr. Mike.
As someone that's already putting emphasis on trying to get broader shoulders and thinning my waist by a couple pounds, this is just more free motivation.
Back. You’re welcome ;)
Ive been training my traps and delts religiously. Put a few inches on my shoulders. My wife said you look incredible. That girl never throws out comments. It was a win.
💯💪🏼 great content
As a side note I would advice to all beginners to initially focus on Side delts like lateral raises. Front delts often gets trained with some other lifts like chest press but lateral and rear delts are where the true magic can begin
The shoulder shelf create the illusion
Shoulders and back go hand in hand. I have quite a wide body for a male who is 5foot2 inches tall. If you also develop your shoulders, then it compliments your frame and makes you look extremely wide. For back, barbell rows, deadlift, pull up, lat pulldowns and low row's do the trick for me. Lat pulldowns and pull ups especially help with giving you batman wings
nice. yes, the general point of a suit jacket. as hotlucky alludes to in equating the v-taper to the hourglass.
Also lats too, definitely lats. I love the feeling of a good lat and tricep pump.
Gotta love a good shoulder pump! Nothing better than some Death Star delts 💪💪💪