December 20 - Catherine Howard's stepgrandmother begs forgiveness from the king
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- On this day in Tudor history, 20th December 1541, a “very sickly” Agnes Tilney, Dowager Duchess of Norfolk, begged King Henry VIII for forgiveness.
The dowager duchess had been arrested and taken to the Tower accused of misprision of treason for hiding her stepgranddaughter Catherine Howard's past relationship with Francis Dereham.
In today's talk, Claire Ridgway, author of "On This Day in Tudor History", shares what the dowager duchess wrote to the king and also what happened to this sickly woman.
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Whew! That's a relief! I thought I was going to hear of another terrifying beheading of a frail elderly lady. She must have been absolutely petrified. The loss of her possessions would probably be insignificant after her ordeal? I spotted adorable teasel in her lilac nappy... so sweet. 🐈🐕🔔Thank you Claire.
I desperately love your sweater!
Me as well!
Henry was made to feel foolish, so he takes it out on eveyone around him
Henry was little better than a robber baron, anyone that crossed his paranoia radar was likely to lose wealth and lands.
*throws handfuls of money in Henry's general direction and hopes for the best*
"Sorry to leave you on such a gloomy note" would look great on the back of a t-shirt...
Yes! Oh, Claire...
@@TheAjjupiter Right? :D It's a very common catch-phrase on this channel. There NEEDS to be merch. Just sayin'...
@@Katherine_The_Okay I agree. I already have 3 "On This Day In Tudor History" shirts. Time for something new.
@@TheAjjupiter So very true. My therapist laughed at mine and said it was perfect for a history nut like me (he didn't use the word nut; that's just how i self-identify lol). But "Sorry to leave you on such a gloomy note" is much more multi-purpose, imo. A little self-aware in my case, probably, but wonderful and hysterical. Clarie's probably in bed at this hour, but hopefully she'll see this when she checks her morning email and get some ideas from it ;)
@@Katherine_The_Okay you're so right. Putting it on the back of the shirts is a stroke of genius.
High light of my day seeing clarie odd time with tim her husband. But now i am so in love with teasel she is a little star. I also love all the cats 😆 thank you claire for all your hard work .i think i can speak for all your fans we love love your channel 💖👑👑💖xx
Yes a Teasel sighting. ❤ Knowing how Henry dealt with his "enemies" I wonder why no one came forward with the truth before he married Catherine.
Nobody knew how he'd react on, just about, anything.. probably scared to tell him the truth, lies, and beyond!! lol
There was no concrete evidence, at this point the accused man mysteriously start becoming her staff. That was plausible plus it became believable when she stop being interesting to him. He was madly in love as a newly wed but after being with her and dealing with a child. Plus a year long marriage with no children being made yet. That what able to make someone to come forward. Like they said when henry blow hot it's passionate but when he's pissed, no going back. It can be something small and he try to break you.
I think hiding a queen’s “naughty” past was not a treasonable crime until Queen Kathryn was already under arrest. It was then enacted and applied retroactively. Premarital affairs didn’t affect succession; but they could have been grounds for annulment. I think at the beginning, when Henry took everyone by surprise by casting a fancy to Kathryn, (who could’ve imagined?), there wasn’t much incentive to speak up. Henry was happy, and it was profitable to all (except Cromwell).
@@gregorsamsa4580 Cromwell ended up dead because he was not able to get Henry out of marriage #4.
A hidden fortune? That must have got Henry's attention.
Someone who escaped Henry's wrath. Finally lol... Thank you, Claire! xoxo
I’m so glad that Henry pardoned the Dowager Dutchess that didn’t happen Usually . I wonder how long she lived after she was released from the tower . Thank you Claire ,
I love your accent and clear annunciation. You’re a pleasure to listen to.
OMG! I'm the first to comment! Thar NEVER happens to me. Were all these young girls supposed to just wait around & never connect with young men just in case they caught Henry's eur? What a strange system to live in. At least Hery let the Dowager Duchess out of the Tower but Henry was a world class thief as far as I can see. Thank you Clare. I look forward to you ever day. What will we all do when the Tudor year is up???? Heavens!
joan smith
Claire has confirmed she’ll continue these Tudor videos into 2020. I can’t remember what video she said it in though
Thank you for ALL your hard work!!! Who sings the Teasel song and how did she get her name and does it mean anything?
Thanks Claire. Sounds as if frailty and a fortune got the dowager some leniency.
That's what I was beginning to wonder myself if the money had anything to do with her escaping the axeman! Seems the only thing Henry loved more than woman was money and lots of it! I just don't understand how a man can look at an old lady in such a state of terror for something she didn't really know would ever be of any significance! Plus even if she would have told he still would have taken his wrath out on someone for breaking his poor old evil heart! But sometimes I begin to wonder that if he moved heaven and Earth to get to Anne Boleyn, if he would have let her indiscretions slide and have them covered up had she said something and if he lived her enough!? But then again this poor girl had zero chance from the beginning. She was so much younger than him and her naivety played a major part in her downfall. She was just a baby. With today's info and knowing about teenage brains we know that her decision making areas were not fully matured, and she probably just did what she was told to do. I know it wasn't as scandalous as it is now for an old fart to marry a teen, but still he should have been advised better by his council than to become daddy to a little baby like that, because teens are unpredictable and can be brats at times. He should have gotten an annulment and just sent her to a nunnery and been done with her. He didn't have to have her blood spilled, but that's just my opinion. And the money definitely talked for her step-granny!! Sorry for the long comment. I just feel bad for all these people involved. They were damned if they did and damned if they didn't!!
"The sexy secretary of the dowager duchess "
She was so very lucky to be pardoned.
She must have been terrified!
Pity she still lost possessions and land, but better than losing her head.
Thank you for all of your hard work bringing us videos every day!!
I thought she got her lands and all back?
Another nice little windfall for Henry....I wish I had millions 'squirreled' away at home like Agnes Tilney..poor lady though, yes...she must have been terrified...Thankyou Claire very interesting 😁🎄☃
Thank you, Claire! Always enjoy your videos. Merry Christmas to you and yours. I'm going to miss you in the new year. I've been watching you and all your vids this entire year. I'm sure you'll do something else, but thank you so much for this entire year of Tudor History and all your hard work
Lois Bateson
I can’t remember which video it is, but Claire has confirmed she’ll be doing On This Day In Tudor History videos in 2020 too!
Love your videos...Merry Christmas from the USA.
Poor Queen Catherine.
Not as gloomy as others. As you said, "she was pardoned". Hi, Teasel.
Just caught sight of Teasel .
The duchess was a very lucky lady with the wit to hand over all that money hidden round her house.
enjoyed listening, as Agnes Tilney and Thomas Howard are my 15the Great Grandparents and Elizabeth Tilney and Thomas Howard are my 16th Great Grandparents. Very interesting and something I did not know.
Thank you.
I really have a suspicion that Henry used "treason" as an excuse to seize cash!
Susanne Bemis that is also what the protestant revolt was all about also. So the aristocrats could steal all the lands, not only in England but all over Europe.
Yes at least she was pardoned & got to die in her bed!
I always feel sorry for Catherine.. she got executed and is now remembered as a brainless harlot. While honestly she was just a young girl, almost a child who shown to be extremely empathetic towards her people.
She was one of the fortunate ones to get out of the Tower alive and die a normal death.
happy holidays!!!
She was extremely lucky. Not many people walked out of that grim fortress into freedom. Jean Newport South Wales U.K.
I've always thought harry 8 was a monster, but the Norfolk clan must bear a lot of the blame, because they proceeded to thrust their daughter's, nieces and granddaughters into the kings orbit. (As did other noble families, but on a lesser scale). Now you have enlightened me to the fact of this grandmother : pleading with the king: do I have any sympathy for her: No! What's the old saying? " reap what you sew!" Thanks again Claire for these details. You historians are invaluable sources of information, I salute you all for doing the hard yards, trawling through dusty manuscripts/letters , whilst transcribing the almost indecipherable Tudor handwriting!
Purple nappies!! 💕
Poor Agnes!
How was Dereham related to Catherine or the dowager duchess?
She was her stepgrandmother
800£ in 1541 is 661,700.95$
1800£ would be a little under 1,200,000£. In case anyone was wondering.
Early! For once!
Agnes should have been more mindful of her charges. Just sayin
ReyTheJediLady ViaJakku Legend was she practically ran an orphanage/group home for wayward or otherwise abandoned posh youngsters that at times Took on the characteristics of a brothel.
Apparently her charges were not well supervised at all and there was much amorous play going on amongst the young boarders as well as creepy visitors taking advantage of the situation.
So where did she get all that £££?