this was the best and very best video I've ever watched for information on a specific topic. I loved the detail and in-depth reasoning on both sides decision making and influence on Canada in the end. Extremely well done!
Very well done! The HBC played such a major role in so many ways for the early creation of Canada. Modern day Canadas boarders do not exist as they are if not for the HBC. Hard to believe I never learned any of this in school growing up. Such a fundamental part of Canada for centuries and one of the most powerful companies on the planet for centuries also, yet never learned anything of them. To top it off, it was known as the 'Company of Adventurors' to make it an incredibly fascinating and storybook like history. Yet nothing was ever taught of this.
Great video. We all know the controversy related to the development and the contribution of the HBC. In my opinion, they were a great part of our Canadian history which affected all of North America. Thanks for the video and reminding me of a major contributor to our heritage. From Hells Canyon, Frank.
well presented, thanks. I remember learning about the HBC Ruperts Land, the North West Company along with the adventures Des Groseilliers and Radisson, the Les coureurs de bois versus the voyageurs in grade school.
Thank you for videos like this. I've always wondered about Hudson's Bay Company. I appreciate that you take the time to help viewers like me understand these aspects of Canada. :) -danielc56 🙂
Thank you for this interesting and very informative video on how the Hudson's Bay Company was the main reason the Northern Canada was gradually developed and populated. The fur trade died as it did in America when Beaver Pelt fur went out of style. The disastrous effect of European Diseases on the Native Indian Tribes is a very sad part of this history, as it was in Colonial America's settlement.
In Canada they are referred as "First Nation" people, not Native Indian Tribes. In addition, what about the Inuit people of Canada's Arctic? They certainly weren't "Tribes" and they certainly weren't "Indians." Do your homework dude.
6:21 You hit on a really important nuance here. Contact, colonialism, and imperialism are often conflated within popular understandings of Canadian history. They are, however, there distinct processes. Contact is just the regular interaction of different people groups. Imperialism refers to the policy of extending a country's power and influence through diplomacy, trade, or military force. However, imperialism need not necessarily result in effective political control. The presence of effective political control of an imperial power over an indigenous one is, however, a prerequisite for colonialism. In some areas, like the St. Lawrence, contact, imperial expansion, and colonization all happened more-or-less concurrently. In other areas, like Rupertsland, the fur trade started as exchange through a contact milieu, only becoming imperialism the late 1700s and into the 1800s. Even then, despite its imperialist attitudes and colonial pretensions, the HBC never had the ability to exercise effective political control over the territories they claimed. Thus, while the HBC was an imperialist commercial and mercantile venture, calling them colonial suggests they had way more power than they did, and obscures our understandings of the distinct Indigenous historical developments that occurred between contact in the 1670s and colonization in the 1870s.
17:00 That 1869 agreement is the event that shifted the dynamic of Indigenous-European relations in fur country a trade relationship (even if on imperial terms) to a colonial one. The colonial period in Canada is still ongoing. Honestly, kudos to you for not only distinguishing but also substantively characterizing the policy and diplomatic differences between the contact, imperial, and colonial phases. These phases are often collapsed in discussions of the fur trade to the detriment of nuanced historical understanding
Overall, good video, however your timing at the end is a bit off, the treaty was signed after the civil war, but the Mexican American war was 20 years before that. Keep up the good work
Agreed. The video was great. For the most part though, no one north of the American boarder knows or cares much about the history American Civil war. Definitely love the HBC story here..
The invasion of northern Mexico was one of the contributing factor to the US Civil War, as this act of aggressive expansion was overwhelmingly pushed by the south in aspirations to build a southern expanded slave economy, going all the way down to Yucatán and including Cuba. Political support for the expansion dwindled quickly, and the US got less land that their minimum desired as the North started to strongly oppose the war, this is how they lost the Peninsula of Baja California as they initially intended it to be part of the minimum agreement, Americans quickly recognized the extreme potential California had for trade and agriculture, and when the Californios and new settlers decided not to join the slaver South (as slavery had been illegal in Mexico for decades) tensions went through the roof, I guess the same would've happen if California chose the South but Southerners were a bit more radical about it. I'd thought you'll find this interesting, nice video overall, I think properly using references and quotes would improve the quality a lot, it seems that you care and are passionate about this so it is the next step, you can use Zotero to make that process faster, what do you use to create the maps btw? and what are your sources for those?
You are 100% right. I did mix up the Mexican war dates. Sorry for that. I should of ended the video with simply that the US had just came out of their civil war and were not in fighting mood. And yes I do agree that sources could better be used and I should put more time into fact checking and making sure everything is accurate. As for maps I use a variety of Adobe softwares to create and animate them. Thanks for the feedback tho!
@@atlascanada1113 That's how we learn, I don't make videos but the essays I wrote when learning definitely needed more work, that's part of the process! Also, sometimes we think an idea may be relevant but it's not really that relevant, knowing where to limit the content helps to reduce the workload on fact-checking and researching. Anyways, you were not that far off, by then the US was definitely in a expansionist mindset, although Polk may have been the peak of that, they went into further acquiring more territory from Mexico and to overthrowing and annexing Hawaii, so you were not that far off there's a reason the Canadian government was so wary of the US before the world wars.
You said that British were lucky for the border settlement of 1846 because the US had just finished their civil war and were in no mood to fight, however the US civil war didn't ever start for another 15 years, in 1861.
2:30 in addition to their own rich fur resources, the Cree themselves were middlemen for nations further west (as far afield as the Blackfoot and Mandan). They jealously guarded this middleman position until the HBC and NWC pushed inland in the 1780s.
So, the most important thing I learned from this video is that Churchill, MB was not named Winston Church, since it was founded about centuries before his time. It was named after John Churchill, the First Duck of Marlborough.
i wouldn't say Britain was Lucky more the United states had already had many lost and stalemate battles with the British when going to war with Britain and invading Canada in 1812. this was done at the time mostly as the British empire was already fighting Napoleon in Europe. the USA underestimated us and the native Americans who fought with us repelling attack after attack. it was disappointing the USA refused a Native American territory to be established on the Canadian / US border in peace terms that British pushed for after the conflict.
I concur that the HBC played a major role for the early creation of Canada. The downside was that the HBC ripped off Indigenous people for all those years of operation. How do I know? I lived in the high Eastern Arctic for a number of years and saw some really nasty stuff committed by the HBC. For instance, in Arctic Bay where I lived, the Bay would pay an Inuk man about 50 dollars for a polar bear skin. His store account would be credited and he could only use that 50 dollars by purchasing goods from the Bay. In the meantime, the Bay would ship the raw polar bear skin to the best paying raw fur auction (one location in each province) and receive on average $300 dollars per foot. An 8 foot bear skin would bring about $2400 dollars less sales commission and shipping fees. (1972 prices) And that's only one incident. I could identify many more stories of rip off. The best situation for Indigenous people was when the HBC sold off all their northern stores.
@@shawnyt6368 Part of being based is not making negative and painfully incorrect assumptions about people just because you don't like the fact that they love their country. Give your balls a tug.
Okay, so when you talk about colonization, you also have to consider the invasion of Canada today. Because the land that's being opened to the rest of the world would still belong to the indigenous people. It's like giving something that doesn't belong to you.
The land belongs to God, who are the indigenous in Europe? Who was here before the ones who call themselves "first", which there is plenty of evidence, were they killed off or assimilated? Or both?
@@snowdevil6469 the government did, government works for itself not the people. We have an opportunity to treat the Indians fairly and let them make their own decisions when "government" is exposed as fraud. Right now their controlled by Indian affairs to keep their lucrative positions.
No ideas why your videos don't get 100k + views. Videos similar to yours take off usually it seems, appreciate the work and videos dude!
this was the best and very best video I've ever watched for information on a specific topic. I loved the detail and in-depth reasoning on both sides decision making and influence on Canada in the end. Extremely well done!
This was recommended to me. The algo shines favorably on you!
I just discovered your channel. I love how you place the different areas on a map, which makes the progress easier to understand. Here's a sub!
Very well done! The HBC played such a major role in so many ways for the early creation of Canada. Modern day Canadas boarders do not exist as they are if not for the HBC. Hard to believe I never learned any of this in school growing up. Such a fundamental part of Canada for centuries and one of the most powerful companies on the planet for centuries also, yet never learned anything of them. To top it off, it was known as the 'Company of Adventurors' to make it an incredibly fascinating and storybook like history. Yet nothing was ever taught of this.
Really schools doesnt teach you that? Its like you don't teach Thirteen Colonies history for US
@@AlamoOriginalthey did, people just forget it cause they were 11 and didn't care😂
Great video. We all know the controversy related to the development and the contribution of the HBC. In my opinion, they were a great part of our Canadian history which affected all of North America.
Thanks for the video and reminding me of a major contributor to our heritage.
From Hells Canyon, Frank.
Great video. I myself was a fur buyer for the HBC in the 1980s
I'm interested in a lot of Canadian history. Thanks for this video.
well presented, thanks. I remember learning about the HBC Ruperts Land, the North West Company along with the adventures Des Groseilliers and Radisson, the Les coureurs de bois versus the voyageurs in grade school.
Great video bud, keep up the hard work 👍🏼🤩
Thank you for videos like this. I've always wondered about Hudson's Bay Company. I appreciate that you take the time to help viewers like me understand these aspects of Canada. :)
-danielc56 🙂
Thank you for this interesting and very informative video on how the Hudson's Bay Company was the main reason the Northern Canada was gradually developed and populated. The fur trade died as it did in America when Beaver Pelt fur went out of style. The disastrous effect of European Diseases on the Native Indian Tribes is a very sad part of this history, as it was in Colonial America's settlement.
In Canada they are referred as "First Nation" people, not Native Indian Tribes. In addition, what about the Inuit people of Canada's Arctic? They certainly weren't "Tribes" and they certainly weren't "Indians." Do your homework dude.
The book leaves out all kinds of details that were part of the HBC and did not sit well with many people
As one who lived in northern Canada for many years, I totally agree.
6:21 You hit on a really important nuance here. Contact, colonialism, and imperialism are often conflated within popular understandings of Canadian history. They are, however, there distinct processes. Contact is just the regular interaction of different people groups. Imperialism refers to
the policy of extending a country's power and influence through diplomacy, trade, or military force. However, imperialism need not necessarily result in effective political control. The presence of effective political control of an imperial power over an indigenous one is, however, a prerequisite for colonialism.
In some areas, like the St. Lawrence, contact, imperial expansion, and colonization all happened more-or-less concurrently. In other areas, like Rupertsland, the fur trade started as exchange through a contact milieu, only becoming imperialism the late 1700s and into the 1800s. Even then, despite its imperialist attitudes and colonial pretensions, the HBC never had the ability to exercise effective political control over the territories they claimed. Thus, while the HBC was an imperialist commercial and mercantile venture, calling them colonial suggests they had way more power than they did, and obscures our understandings of the distinct Indigenous historical developments that occurred between contact in the 1670s and colonization in the 1870s.
11:30 Oh, cool! You actually note where the policy shifts from contract-based trade to the expansionist-imperialist approach in the 1780s!
17:00 That 1869 agreement is the event that shifted the dynamic of Indigenous-European relations in fur country a trade relationship (even if on imperial terms) to a colonial one. The colonial period in Canada is still ongoing.
Honestly, kudos to you for not only distinguishing but also substantively characterizing the policy and diplomatic differences between the contact, imperial, and colonial phases. These phases are often collapsed in discussions of the fur trade to the detriment of nuanced historical understanding
Overall, good video, however your timing at the end is a bit off, the treaty was signed after the civil war, but the Mexican American war was 20 years before that. Keep up the good work
Agreed. The video was great. For the most part though, no one north of the American boarder knows or cares much about the history American Civil war.
Definitely love the HBC story here..
Yeah I did mix up the Mexican War dates. You are 100% right. I am sorry for that. Will get better!
The invasion of northern Mexico was one of the contributing factor to the US Civil War, as this act of aggressive expansion was overwhelmingly pushed by the south in aspirations to build a southern expanded slave economy, going all the way down to Yucatán and including Cuba. Political support for the expansion dwindled quickly, and the US got less land that their minimum desired as the North started to strongly oppose the war, this is how they lost the Peninsula of Baja California as they initially intended it to be part of the minimum agreement, Americans quickly recognized the extreme potential California had for trade and agriculture, and when the Californios and new settlers decided not to join the slaver South (as slavery had been illegal in Mexico for decades) tensions went through the roof, I guess the same would've happen if California chose the South but Southerners were a bit more radical about it. I'd thought you'll find this interesting, nice video overall, I think properly using references and quotes would improve the quality a lot, it seems that you care and are passionate about this so it is the next step, you can use Zotero to make that process faster, what do you use to create the maps btw? and what are your sources for those?
You are 100% right. I did mix up the Mexican war dates. Sorry for that. I should of ended the video with simply that the US had just came out of their civil war and were not in fighting mood.
And yes I do agree that sources could better be used and I should put more time into fact checking and making sure everything is accurate.
As for maps I use a variety of Adobe softwares to create and animate them.
Thanks for the feedback tho!
@@atlascanada1113 That's how we learn, I don't make videos but the essays I wrote when learning definitely needed more work, that's part of the process! Also, sometimes we think an idea may be relevant but it's not really that relevant, knowing where to limit the content helps to reduce the workload on fact-checking and researching. Anyways, you were not that far off, by then the US was definitely in a expansionist mindset, although Polk may have been the peak of that, they went into further acquiring more territory from Mexico and to overthrowing and annexing Hawaii, so you were not that far off there's a reason the Canadian government was so wary of the US before the world wars.
@@atlascanada1113 You really need to do more indepth research on the downside of the HBC as well. They ripped off the First Nation trappers big time.
You said that British were lucky for the border settlement of 1846 because the US had just finished their civil war and were in no mood to fight, however the US civil war didn't ever start for another 15 years, in 1861.
2:30 in addition to their own rich fur resources, the Cree themselves were middlemen for nations further west (as far afield as the Blackfoot and Mandan). They jealously guarded this middleman position until the HBC and NWC pushed inland in the 1780s.
So, the most important thing I learned from this video is that Churchill, MB was not named Winston Church, since it was founded about centuries before his time. It was named after John Churchill, the First Duck of Marlborough.
I think we should reintroduce beaver currency.
Bring back beavercoin
and they made the world's greatest blankets!
I think Canada was already made.
i wouldn't say Britain was Lucky more the United states had already had many lost and stalemate battles with the British when going to war with Britain and invading Canada in 1812. this was done at the time mostly as the British empire was already fighting Napoleon in Europe. the USA underestimated us and the native Americans who fought with us repelling attack after attack. it was disappointing the USA refused a Native American territory to be established on the Canadian / US border in peace terms that British pushed for after the conflict.
Yeah it wouldn't have been beneficial for the us to go to war with the British Empire at the time.
Rip to my homies the beavers
Your brave presenting facts with all the "experts" on here😂
Highly recommend listening at 1.5x+ speed
I concur that the HBC played a major role for the early creation of Canada. The downside was that the HBC ripped off Indigenous people for all those years of operation. How do I know? I lived in the high Eastern Arctic for a number of years and saw some really nasty stuff committed by the HBC. For instance, in Arctic Bay where I lived, the Bay would pay an Inuk man about 50 dollars for a polar bear skin. His store account would be credited and he could only use that 50 dollars by purchasing goods from the Bay. In the meantime, the Bay would ship the raw polar bear skin to the best paying raw fur auction (one location in each province) and receive on average $300 dollars per foot. An 8 foot bear skin would bring about $2400 dollars less sales commission and shipping fees. (1972 prices) And that's only one incident. I could identify many more stories of rip off. The best situation for Indigenous people was when the HBC sold off all their northern stores.
Not really a downside though
I think you’re a bit confused on the American side of things. The Civil War was 1861-65, you said in 1846 they had just finished it.
That's Mexico war, I believe he confused em
OMG, the incompetence of the French... yes, I live in Quebec.
Hudson's Bay Company = The East India Company.
Canada is so based
No it’s not
What is based mean? Let me guess...you only know your history and have traveled no where in your life.
@@shawnyt6368 Part of being based is not making negative and painfully incorrect assumptions about people just because you don't like the fact that they love their country. Give your balls a tug.
Yeah, they were lucky😭😂👌🏿
The French started Canada not England.
Excuse me Dude but the Mexican American War preceded the American Civil War by about two decades...
Okay, so when you talk about colonization, you also have to consider the invasion of Canada today.
Because the land that's being opened to the rest of the world would still belong to the indigenous people.
It's like giving something that doesn't belong to you.
It still does because we only presented an offer to share in treaty.
The land belongs to God, who are the indigenous in Europe? Who was here before the ones who call themselves "first", which there is plenty of evidence, were they killed off or assimilated? Or both?
@@snowdevil6469 the government did, government works for itself not the people. We have an opportunity to treat the Indians fairly and let them make their own decisions when "government" is exposed as fraud. Right now their controlled by Indian affairs to keep their lucrative positions.