SMT - Since the motor was found to be rusty, I can't help but wonder if a previous owner had it on a basement layout that got flooded? It may not be a bad idea to inspect all the metal parts for signs of corrosion, when you disassemble the loco for lubrication. Then apply some WD40 and/or oil to those parts to arrest further corrosion.
@@davidandrew477 - Yes, especially if the layout doesn't have any walls between it & the laundry area. If you have brass track, you are always cleaning off oxidation from the rails!
Very smart move to refit this with a more modern can motor! The 1st generation motors can be troublesome, as you have already discovered. You can use small diameter plastic or rubber tubing to join the motor shaft to the gearbox, something a lot of the older steam and diesel models did from the factory! A more flexible coupling there will make the slow speed running smoother, too. Nice work getting this vintage model back up and running! Cheers!
It’s the day I’ve been waiting for. Great job SMT! I look forward to seeing more work like this in the future. Instead of using a rail joiner for the replacement drive shaft you should try using fuel line tubing from RC cars. I’ve gotten good results with this tubing using it to replace the corroded driveshafts in my brass locomotives. Serenity!
@@SMTMainline i used very small rubber hose like what they use on windshield wiper washers in cars some are really small i just experimented with putting a 3 $ motor from china 5 pole in my big boy high rpm and great torque is what it said and it was right its faster and has pulling power it sticks out back a bit i did not have to cut away any thing other than a bit of the slot motor sits on very little runs quiet and i used rubber for the drive shaft we will see how long the motor runs for
Great job again Harrison. Instead of using a rail joiner next time try to find some heavy wall rubber or silicone tubing. That way it will give you a very slight amount of flex (which is good) but still transfer power from the motor. Always enjoyable watching your videos
That might be a good idea. I would have tried heat shrink tubing but I didn't have any on hand. No idea if it would told tight enough to work though. I will have to test out this stuff.
SMT Mainline ....it will work but the key is to find the right diameter tubing. It’s a friction fit so it must fit very tight. Maybe a bit of ca glue to help.
SMT, I was looking through the newest Model railroader magazine and I saw an add for your dads Pennsylvania ho scale 0-4-0 switcher in a life like train set from 1972 to the late 70s
This gives me hope. I have an old Rivarossi 2-8-8-2 that used to run great. The motor fried up and I have been meaning to replace it since. This gives me hope that it would be worth doing.
I think you’ve got a good chance. I believe they sell 5 pole conversation kits on eBay specifically for Rivarossi locomotives and the motors will likely make the engine run better than it did before.
I'm always impressed with your ability to take apart these engines and put them back together and make them work. I have a Mantua- Tyco 1776 engine. I put it on my test track and ran it back and forth, it hasn't ran in quite a while. But I started to smell something in the engine. It's probably a quick fix for you, but does it just need oil or is it an engine problem. I figured that I would ask the expert in this matter. I always enjoy your recorded videos. But I'm sorry that I'm not able to catch any of your live streaming because of the random times that you make them. But time is usually a factor in that I don't have a lot of time for an hour or two video to watch. But I definitely enjoy your other videos. Keep up the great work that you do and the videos too. From Jeff.
@@davidandrew477 sorry I wasn't clear what type of engine it is. It's one of those Spirit of 76 type of Loco. I'll show a picture of it if I can. Well I checked and I can't find how to post a picture sorry.
Hi SMT Mainline, just an FYI that vintage Rivarossi motors don't like to be struck or shook or pried apart. That is a 3rd gen Rivarossi motor, it doesn't have open armature bearings, so you don't have to worry about resetting all those tiny bearings. Those old motors are just like old Lionel AC train motors, just clean out the gunk and the commutator and put it back together with a drop of oil on each end of the bearing shaft. As long as the windings are good, you shouldn't have a problem with it running. As far as the tender's supply of voltage, it is necessary, so you need to make sure the coupling rod from the tender makes good contact with the hole and spring actuator in the tender rod. Then as long as the rest of the powertrain is serviced, it should work flawlessly. If your Armature windings are broken you need to just solder it back in it's place. It's a pretty easy fix, just make sure you are using a 50/50 Solder.
The motor you chose to buy from ebay will also work as a replacement for newer Red Box Rivarossi 4-6-4 Hudsons, with proper cleaning and lubricants it should have a good crawl too. Good job fixing it!
Nice stuff! Always cool to see vintage gear run again. I used to have a couple of old HO scale locomotives that were pretty old. Both of them were old 4-4-0 american standards and had metal bodies. Not too sure who made them, but I wish I still had them to fix.
That is one seriously corroded motor! Good thing you had one of those 5 pole can motors on hand as a substitute! Could use a bit of a regearing, but it works now!
I think I've seen these on ebay not many around. This blue goose looks to be built on a similar chassis idea as your grandmother's. Milwaukee Hiawatha. I'm glad to see any of these get running because then others who have same or similar issue then they have found a way to fix it. Go rivarrossi Go. Lol at 4:48 when you started laughing goimg oh no not again then you come in with the big hammer i was like oh no . no no no not that . I was like rest in peace 3 pole Rivarossi motor. Very good awesome fix at end. Also that chassis looks similar to the Mantua power drive with gearbox worm interesting.
Although it does not have its "Blue Goose" shroud, one remains today. Santa Fe #3463 is the sole survivor of the ATSF 3460 class locomotives. It is currently on static display at the Southeast Kansas Expocentre in Topeka, Kansas.
I guess I should have searched on TH-cam before I took the same loco apart after it started making some churning noise...After taking the chassis off, I added some silicone grease into the gear box, and now it runs as smoothly as before. All I need are the matching cars to show up...
@@SMTMainline thanks for your comment. I ended up watching a few more of your “Can we make it run again” videos, and am wondering if I should get a cab forward to complement my Rivarossi BigBoy…
The 3460 was usually owned by the Santa Fe Railroad and was a rail fan favorite during its time until it was scrapped. I don’t know when but it was scrapped
Great job mate, worth the wait. Have you considered using flexible silicon tubing to connect the drive shafts? It’s used for fuel lines on RC equipment. Well done.
Hi and congratulations on all the Loco made to run. Enjoyed your videos. do you take on any outside work as I have a Coca Cole die cast loco that need some looking at. It did run and stopped f or no good reason thank you
The Blue Goose flies upon the rails again! Another fine repair, Harrison. No sense even attempting to clean that motor. Great that you made the ebay motor work. I'm sure the Blue Goose will be another most requested runner on your livestreams. Did you consider a piece of rubber tubing to use as a flexible shaft between the motor and drive wheels? Thanks for sharing. 👍 👍 👍
I really hoped this thing would see better treatment than a hastily thrown together remotor, regardless of how well it works. At least another stock R motor would be nice. Sad to have lost another one
In 6:01 If Rivarossi (which is currently owned by Hornby Hobbies) re-released the US/continental HO locomotives, then this would be the upgrade of the motor and also more proper pick up contacts (a pair of pick ups on both sides of the wheels with isolators on the axle ends.
I love that coment: "Dream Machine" Where did you learn how to perform this magis we see in nearly all your restoration videos? Goo0d job Harrison, once again.
In the days before youtube it was all trial and error. I would take things apart and see if I could fix them and had some success here and there. I learned a lot once I started making videos on it since members could give me advice after each attempt.
She's screaming for a good oil and wheel clean, besides that she looks good. I believe the front is loose because the shell and chassis were used for other hudsons, specifically the New York Central's streamlined dreyfuss hudsons (note how the firebox isn't flush to the streamline casing and instead sticks out a bit). They most likely kept the front end separate from the rest of the shell to be resourceful... Quite a clever choice. Chances are that the clips/glue on your model are loose or broken. I wonder what a Rivarossi NH I5 would have looked like... I know there's a Mehano one (I've got one in need of attention), but that's just a repaint of a Canadian Pacific royal hudson. The NH I5s and the ATSF Blue Goose (Geese?) are nearly the same locomotive under the hood... I have no idea why they didn't attempt them besides not receiving the go-ahead from whoever owned the rights to the design at the time.
Actually William from Gopernoper's Trains on TH-cam purchased a slightly sloppy I5 from eBay that was actually a Redbox model. Check it out if you're interested.
@@varrunningtrains4112 I took a second to find it, considering the recolor work that Rivarossi did with the other hudsons, it seems like a valid choice if one was ever made.
I actually found this engine on eBay but it’s missing a tender 😂 so idk if I could even get it to run, also it’s 89$ so I don’t know if it’s a good idea to try and buy it over all. But at least I know if needed I could repair it by seeing what you did here.
Being loud is not a good sign for a Rivarossi engine, I noted years ago that Rivarossi engines were the quietest on the market. Sounded like a quartz watch.
Brass wire wheel. Will do the trick. Spin commentator on the wire wheel. Since brass won't do damage but will clean all rust off. Done thus before. Not just on trains. 110 motors 220 motors. Between the brass wheel and some pb blaster should be good.
My Grandma bought that same locomotive for my brother in Italy back in 1976. What a splendid memory. You repaired this one with your magic! 😄 ✨
My dad bought me the same Santa Fe “Blue Goose”locomotive when I was a kid. Brought back a ton of memories when I saw this video. Thank you.
Beautiful locomotive! Serenity indeed. I’m glad it’s running again, and I am glad you did it. Thanks for the content.
Harrison... I just have smile and chuckle... you just never quit...somebody sends you a nightmare and you turn it into a Dream Machine... 🤓👍🇺🇸
Thank you, I appreciate that. Locomotives like these certainly present more of a challenge but it isn't dull.
Dang Harrison you truly are the Angus Macgyver of model trains.
SMT - Since the motor was found to be rusty, I can't help but wonder if a previous owner had it on a basement layout that got flooded? It may not be a bad idea to inspect all the metal parts for signs of corrosion, when you disassemble the loco for lubrication. Then apply some WD40 and/or oil to those parts to arrest further corrosion.
I suspect they were ether in a flood or exposed to high amounts of moisture. Especially considering how the other one had the exact same issue.
@@SMTMainline i once had a basement layout and one of my model trains got flooded
@@davidandrew477 - Yes, especially if the layout doesn't have any walls between it & the laundry area. If you have brass track, you are always cleaning off oxidation from the rails!
Harrison you are the god of making trains run! I would never get this thing running, great work!
I smile when I see a Blue Goose brought back to life. Well done, sir. Well done indeed.
Very smart move to refit this with a more modern can motor! The 1st generation motors can be troublesome, as you have already discovered. You can use small diameter plastic or rubber tubing to join the motor shaft to the gearbox, something a lot of the older steam and diesel models did from the factory! A more flexible coupling there will make the slow speed running smoother, too. Nice work getting this vintage model back up and running! Cheers!
Impressive work SMT, you brought the old girl back to life. And it runs amazingly well too!
Thank you!
@@SMTMainline
Do you know where I can get 2 pantographahs for a rivarossi gg1
Ahhh the Streamlined Hudsons. They inspired the N&W J-Class locomotives
That's my favorite!!!
Glad that you were finally able to fix it!, its a great looking train and a fine addition to your collection. Good Job!
I love the Blue Goose, it’s such a great looking locomotive. Awesome job with the repairs!
Very Nice!
Also let me make this quite clear:
"Can we make it Run"
With SMT, Anything is possible
@@BNbrett1376 Let's start calling him "The Train Whisperer"!!!! :)
@@BNbrett1376 i agreed
Still a nice repair and restoration and you used your experience with a prior engine to get this one going quicker! This is a great engine again!
"With God, all things are possible."
- Jesus
Nice train love the two tone blue and the metal rods going to the cab
This is the very first video I watched from you! I'd love to see more streamliners in the future, like an N&W J, a Greenbrier J3-a, a PRR K4, etc
She's a pretty baby! Nice job!
Glad that it runs. What an interesting loco. Great video SMT.
Nice this is one of my favorite Santa Fe locos they had back in the day
Now aren't you glad you bought those motors on eBay??? What a replacement! That old motor was COMPLETELY SCREWED!!!
Again...great job, Harrison!
Yeah, so far they've proven to be quite useful.
@@SMTMainline Yea...you DEFINITELY got your money's worth on those motors!
The long awaited repair of the Blue Goose
It’s the day I’ve been waiting for. Great job SMT! I look forward to seeing more work like this in the future. Instead of using a rail joiner for the replacement drive shaft you should try using fuel line tubing from RC cars. I’ve gotten good results with this tubing using it to replace the corroded driveshafts in my brass locomotives. Serenity!
I will have to try that. I was also thinking heat shrunk tubing might be a good option but I'm not sure if it would hold tight enough.
I think heat shrink tubing is used for wrapping electrical components, so it my not be the best for locomotive drive trains.
@@SMTMainline i used very small rubber hose like what they use on windshield wiper washers in cars some are really small i just experimented with putting a 3 $ motor from china 5 pole in my big boy high rpm and great torque is what it said and it was right its faster and has pulling power it sticks out back a bit i did not have to cut away any thing other than a bit of the slot motor sits on very little runs quiet and i used rubber for the drive shaft we will see how long the motor runs for
Great job again Harrison. Instead of using a rail joiner next time try to find some heavy wall rubber or silicone tubing. That way it will give you a very slight amount of flex (which is good) but still transfer power from the motor. Always enjoyable watching your videos
That might be a good idea. I would have tried heat shrink tubing but I didn't have any on hand. No idea if it would told tight enough to work though. I will have to test out this stuff.
SMT Mainline ....it will work but the key is to find the right diameter tubing. It’s a friction fit so it must fit very tight. Maybe a bit of ca glue to help.
Great job Harrison! You the man !
SMT, I was looking through the newest Model railroader magazine and I saw an add for your dads Pennsylvania ho scale 0-4-0 switcher in a life like train set from 1972 to the late 70s
That's a beautiful engin that now runs because of you SMT. Awsome video you went very creative on this one.
SMT Mainline i love your content and you inspired me to get into model railways thank you
I can't tell you how happy it makes me to hear about people getting into this great hobby though my channel. I appreciate it.
It's a beautiful engine that fits almost any layout!
I’ve watched all your videos in the last 9 months so whenever you post a new video it’s very exciting that I can watch more
That is the most Beautiful loco I've ever seen
This gives me hope. I have an old Rivarossi 2-8-8-2 that used to run great. The motor fried up and I have been meaning to replace it since. This gives me hope that it would be worth doing.
I think you’ve got a good chance. I believe they sell 5 pole conversation kits on eBay specifically for Rivarossi locomotives and the motors will likely make the engine run better than it did before.
Great job! Looks like you got another good runner there Harrison!
I'm always impressed with your ability to take apart these engines and put them back together and make them work. I have a Mantua- Tyco 1776 engine. I put it on my test track and ran it back and forth, it hasn't ran in quite a while. But I started to smell something in the engine. It's probably a quick fix for you, but does it just need oil or is it an engine problem. I figured that I would ask the expert in this matter. I always enjoy your recorded videos. But I'm sorry that I'm not able to catch any of your live streaming because of the random times that you make them. But time is usually a factor in that I don't have a lot of time for an hour or two video to watch. But I definitely enjoy your other videos. Keep up the great work that you do and the videos too. From Jeff.
@@davidandrew477 sorry I wasn't clear what type of engine it is. It's one of those Spirit of 76 type of Loco. I'll show a picture of it if I can. Well I checked and I can't find how to post a picture sorry.
@@davidandrew477 diesel
@@davidandrew477 thanks for all your input and knowledge. I will have to see what I can do next. Thanks again for your time on this matter.
@@davidandrew477 i guess not...
Great restoration
Great video! You’re a very talented guy and it’s fun to watch you fix things. Great job!
Hi SMT Mainline, just an FYI that vintage Rivarossi motors don't like to be struck or shook or pried apart. That is a 3rd gen Rivarossi motor, it doesn't have open armature bearings, so you don't have to worry about resetting all those tiny bearings. Those old motors are just like old Lionel AC train motors, just clean out the gunk and the commutator and put it back together with a drop of oil on each end of the bearing shaft. As long as the windings are good, you shouldn't have a problem with it running. As far as the tender's supply of voltage, it is necessary, so you need to make sure the coupling rod from the tender makes good contact with the hole and spring actuator in the tender rod. Then as long as the rest of the powertrain is serviced, it should work flawlessly. If your Armature windings are broken you need to just solder it back in it's place. It's a pretty easy fix, just make sure you are using a 50/50 Solder.
I know its not ideal but when a motor gets this corroded there isn't much choice. With a working motor I completely agree though.
This is my absolute favorite of the lot!
The motor you chose to buy from ebay will also work as a replacement for newer Red Box Rivarossi 4-6-4 Hudsons, with proper cleaning and lubricants it should have a good crawl too. Good job fixing it!
So...those "cheepy Ebay motors" paid off after all, eh? And thanks to Harrison's ingenuity - "we've got a runner!!!"
I love that blue goose!!! 😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊and I am glad that engine is running!
This locomotive needs a whistle that goes honk!
lol
Steam locomotives & geese both hiss!
Yeah the steam will make the HISSSSS!
What a beauty I can't wait to see it pulled those Santa Fe stainless steel passenger cars
5:01 Macho Man:
You are one million percent--
Correct!!!
Nice stuff! Always cool to see vintage gear run again. I used to have a couple of old HO scale locomotives that were pretty old. Both of them were old 4-4-0 american standards and had metal bodies. Not too sure who made them, but I wish I still had them to fix.
That is one seriously corroded motor! Good thing you had one of those 5 pole can motors on hand as a substitute! Could use a bit of a regearing, but it works now!
I managed to save some of these motors by soaking them in vinegar and it worked. It took some time though.
Noice restoration! Runs awesome!
I think I've seen these on ebay not many around. This blue goose looks to be built on a similar chassis idea as your grandmother's. Milwaukee Hiawatha. I'm glad to see any of these get running because then others who have same or similar issue then they have found a way to fix it. Go rivarrossi Go. Lol at 4:48 when you started laughing goimg oh no not again then you come in with the big hammer i was like oh no . no no no not that . I was like rest in peace 3 pole Rivarossi motor. Very good awesome fix at end. Also that chassis looks similar to the Mantua power drive with gearbox worm interesting.
That's a nice locomotive.
I was hoping for a motor swap. Great work! :D
FINALLY!
HE FINALLY MADE A VIDEO ON THIS!
SMT Finally Got To The Blue Goose
Beautiful linkage on the loco...
Love that model and the color
Although it does not have its "Blue Goose" shroud, one remains today.
Santa Fe #3463 is the sole survivor of the ATSF 3460 class locomotives. It is currently on static display at the Southeast Kansas Expocentre in Topeka, Kansas.
That's good to know.
The good ole' 0-5-0 pusher!
I guess I should have searched on TH-cam before I took the same loco apart after it started making some churning noise...After taking the chassis off, I added some silicone grease into the gear box, and now it runs as smoothly as before. All I need are the matching cars to show up...
Glad it all worked out.
@@SMTMainline thanks for your comment. I ended up watching a few more of your “Can we make it run again” videos, and am wondering if I should get a cab forward to complement my Rivarossi BigBoy…
I've wanted one of these since your parents were scooting on all fours in their Pampers...you're killing me.,
A good drive coupling can be made from model airplane engine fuel line...old timer's trick.
Also Santa Fe blue goose , with those super cheif f units and passenger cars behind it would look pretty good
Anything to keep those old locos running
Yep, whatever it takes.
Great job on the motor transplant!! Love the Blue Goose engine! Let me know if you ever get a Blue Goose parts engine-need a cab roof for mine.
Smt you just made my day. And it’s just morning. I got a package of a boxcar cleaner coming in the mail today.
I'm happy to hear that. I hope you enjoy your new boxcar cleaner.
@@SMTMainline Where can I pickup a fiberglass pencil to clean my loco wheels?
@@samuelbenge524 Fiberglass pencil: amzn.to/2VeB6CU (affiliate) USA
The 3460 was usually owned by the Santa Fe Railroad and was a rail fan favorite during its time until it was scrapped. I don’t know when but it was scrapped
Great job mate, worth the wait. Have you considered using flexible silicon tubing to connect the drive shafts? It’s used for fuel lines on RC equipment. Well done.
I've heard of people doing that but I haven't tried it myself. I will have to give it a go someday.
Have you tried submerging the motor in white vinegar and let it soak a couple of days or so to dissolve the rust?? It might work.
"Smt mainline ,the time has come . Execute order sixty-fix "
I’ve been waiting for this video 😁❤️
Hi and congratulations on all the Loco made to run. Enjoyed your videos. do you take on any outside work as I have a Coca Cole die cast loco that need some looking at. It did run and stopped f or no good reason thank you
The Blue Goose flies upon the rails again! Another fine repair, Harrison. No sense even attempting to clean that motor. Great that you made the ebay motor work. I'm sure the Blue Goose will be another most requested runner on your livestreams. Did you consider a piece of rubber tubing to use as a flexible shaft between the motor and drive wheels?
Thanks for sharing. 👍 👍 👍
To join axles I use the spent ink plastic tube from BIC pens, but this one looks good too.
Excellent work, SMT! You can make any model train run again!
We need "Highway Through The Danger zone" to play whenever it moves.
When all else fails, bring out the hammer. Great job as always!
Whatever gets the job done I guess. That motor didn't look like it was going to run again anyways.
its here
I really hoped this thing would see better treatment than a hastily thrown together remotor, regardless of how well it works. At least another stock R motor would be nice. Sad to have lost another one
In 6:01
If Rivarossi (which is currently owned by Hornby Hobbies) re-released the US/continental HO locomotives, then this would be the upgrade of the motor and also more proper pick up contacts (a pair of pick ups on both sides of the wheels with isolators on the axle ends.
Blue goose doesn’t start
7 minutes later
Magic
We’ve got a runner boys
it is a shame you couldn't use the original motor but good job fixing it.
to hook up the motor to the drive use a small rubber tube, like the Athearn rubber band drive
method
Yay the Blue Goose is running so you could have live stream with that locomotives now are you happy you got fixed
Sees the corrosion in the motor: “Aw shit…here we go again…”
I love that coment: "Dream Machine" Where did you learn how to perform this magis we see in nearly all your restoration videos? Goo0d job Harrison, once again.
In the days before youtube it was all trial and error. I would take things apart and see if I could fix them and had some success here and there. I learned a lot once I started making videos on it since members could give me advice after each attempt.
That’s a very strange looking goose
impressive most impressive
She's screaming for a good oil and wheel clean, besides that she looks good.
I believe the front is loose because the shell and chassis were used for other hudsons, specifically the New York Central's streamlined dreyfuss hudsons (note how the firebox isn't flush to the streamline casing and instead sticks out a bit). They most likely kept the front end separate from the rest of the shell to be resourceful... Quite a clever choice. Chances are that the clips/glue on your model are loose or broken.
I wonder what a Rivarossi NH I5 would have looked like... I know there's a Mehano one (I've got one in need of attention), but that's just a repaint of a Canadian Pacific royal hudson. The NH I5s and the ATSF Blue Goose (Geese?) are nearly the same locomotive under the hood... I have no idea why they didn't attempt them besides not receiving the go-ahead from whoever owned the rights to the design at the time.
Actually William from Gopernoper's Trains on TH-cam purchased a slightly sloppy I5 from eBay that was actually a Redbox model. Check it out if you're interested.
@@varrunningtrains4112 I took a second to find it, considering the recolor work that Rivarossi did with the other hudsons, it seems like a valid choice if one was ever made.
@@ROKMAN1445 Yeah I know Will personally and he constantly slams the thing but it's kinda cool nontheless.
I actually found this engine on eBay but it’s missing a tender 😂 so idk if I could even get it to run, also it’s 89$ so I don’t know if it’s a good idea to try and buy it over all. But at least I know if needed I could repair it by seeing what you did here.
Those cheap mothers you got sure are coming into there own , and Novel using a rail joiner to connect to the drive mechanism
New to the channel, have to ask. What's with "serenity"??
SMT is a railroad musem in HO
Damn this guy could ask for any train and have 3 of them 😄
Nice
Model aircraft gas line works pretty good.
Geese are so common in Canada that there’s even one in Harrison’s basement.
This is an American one though. Mostly the Canadian kind up here.
That is a beautiful locomotive ! Do you think you’ll ever get more cars for the trains .
Being loud is not a good sign for a Rivarossi engine, I noted years ago that Rivarossi engines were the quietest on the market. Sounded like a quartz watch.
The more awaited sequel than endgame
Lol, some commenters seemed to think that.
@@SMTMainline yes
I wonder if you could fix your Daylight steam locomotive the same way as the Santa fe Blue Goose...
that is amazing.. i think i would of just set up a static display with what one
That always makes a good plan B but I wanted to give it a shot before we got to that point.
Brass wire wheel. Will do the trick. Spin commentator on the wire wheel. Since brass won't do damage but will clean all rust off. Done thus before. Not just on trains. 110 motors 220 motors. Between the brass wheel and some pb blaster should be good.
Would this be better with a flywheel motor?
I have a blue goose also but in dcc and it has a lot of trouble running and everything is clean and won't move sometimes what do you suggest.