*TH-cam has demonetized this,* so please consider buying some merch: cynical-historian-shop.fourthwall.com Or donating to my Patreon: www.patreon.com/CynicalHistorian Click "read more" for corrections and citations, but first, here is the original review: th-cam.com/video/SWNazzNEjqA/w-d-xo.html *Errata* 0:45 Most Armenians were Oriental Orthodox, not Eastern Orthodox (thx @victorhoang6633 ) *Bibliography* Raymond Kevorkian, _The Armenian Genocide: A Complete History_ (New York: IB Tauris, 2011). amzn.to/2zrw0br
@ilovepancakes225 of course. Every villain in history was just a victim of The West. We should just forget the genocide because it makes Enver Pasha 2.0 feel sad:(
0:45 Armenians are not generally Eastern Orthodox. The Armenian Apostolic Church which is the largest of the Armenian Churches are Oriental Orthodox or Miaphysite as they reject the Council of Chalcedon which Eastern Orthodox Christians accept. It's weird that Eastern and Oriental are synonyms and can be used interchangeably in most contexts except this one.
I can understand part of the assertment that people confuse it since the genocides perpetrated by the Ottoman and Turkish authorities focused on the whole Christian population of the Ottoman Empire (regardless of denomination, being an Armenian, a Pontic Greek, or an Assyrian). To the Turkish governments of Constantinople and Ankara, they were treated as Orthodox (Eastern and Oriental) subjects ruled by their respective Patriarchs and Archbishops.
Was literally in the middle of writing up a comment about this before checking and seeing your comment. Thanks for pointing it out, everyone always forgets about the Oriental Orthodox.
thank you for mentioning Rafał Lemkin. he was a polish lawyer and an expert on international law. after hearing about Armenia he practically made it his life mission to have the crime of genocide recognized legally. he died in poverty, couldn't pay rent, didn't have money for food.. before anyone was ever prosecuted for the crime he named. the UN genocide definition was formed imho through big compromises, Lemkin's original theory published was already fairly precise. after all it took him 20 years and he faced a lot of pushback from peers... may his efforts never be forgotten.
As an addendum, it might be mentioned for American audiences that the federal government didn't officially recognize Armenian genocide until 2021. 49 of the 50 states recognized the event as well with the last holdout, Mississippi, recognizing it in 2022.
@@mcgovemj From what I understand, it was primarily economic self interest. They had a lot of international business investment from Turkish firms and were hesitant to cross that line for fear of souring relations.
This is unfortunately an often (deliberately) forgotten chapter of history and it’s a travesty that the denial of the Armenian Genocide is still so normal and accepted for many even today. The crybullying by these denialists shouldn’t be entertained on any platform for one second but here we are.
Something neat as well is that the government of Armenia honored Serj Tankian and SOAD for spreading awareness on the history. Also California in 1997 I think was one of the first states to recognize the Armenian Genocide which probably owed to there being a lot of Armenian Americans living in Glendale which is where SOAD was formed
@@CynicalHistorian Thank you for continuously putting out good historical content. I have followed your channel for several years now. I always look forward to seeing a new video drop.
There are generally three ways the perpetrators of a genocide talk about it after the fact: - brag about it and inflate the numbers. The people who were killed were pretty much orcs from Lord of the Rings, and we were righteous in wielding the mighty power of God against them. - admit to it, but insist that you only did it because they were orcs from Lord of the Rings, and you REALLY hated doing it. Downplay the numbers and insist that actually, you're kinda the victim too since you had to sully your hands. - I'm sorry, who are these "Armenian" people you keep speaking of? Never heard of em.
I almost never hear of any of the perpetrators or their sympathizers talk like the first two ways, which I find strange. After all, if they hate the genocide victims so much, why do they almost always deny committing genocide against them?
As of recently, many Muslim majority countries have been openly acknowledging the genocide after relations with Turkey soured. Back in Egypt (which was one of the first countries in the Arab world which recognized the independence of Armenia in 1991) there was a drama series that aired during Ramadan in 2021 that openly referenced the genocide. The fact that Turkey still refuses to acknowledge it is disgusting.
It means that they can never heal. This hatred between Turkey and Armenia will never be able to change, to improve, to move into a better place until Turkey is able to acknowledge, culturally, where the Armenians are coming from
My memory could trick me, but if i remember correctly the current offical turkish denial was kind of instated by the current turkish leader. So there is probably hope that when he's not in office anymore at some point this might change there too.
@@alituncer4245 he means the nation in which modern day turkey inhabits now - the ottoman empire, for example, was the predecessor to the turkey we know today :)
According to Wikipedia the first genocide in modern history was perpetrated by the Chinese Imperial Government in the late 18th century when they killed hundreds of thousands of Dzungarians - a Mongol related minority of northern China. So genocide is far from being only a Middle Eastern or European phenomenon.
@@kaloarepo288 Obviously, but it was that the first genocide to be called a genocide? Were are looking from a historiography perspective, or the history of history.
@@JonBerry555 A genocide as I understand it, is an attempt to wipe out a whole ethnic group and its culture so that no traces of it can be found. Ancient Romans would have done it as with the Etruscans - to such an extent that their language and literature has been lost -they also did it with Carthage. So its not just about killing people it can also be about depriving some groups of their culture without actually killing them and channeling them into your own culture - so arguably forbidding native groups in the Americas and in Australia being forced to adopt western customs and language and to forget their native cultures.
@@JonBerry555 Well, the term was first coined in 1944 to describe what the Nazis were doing to Poles in Poland, and was retroactively applied to the Armenian genocide.
I had a particularly weird encounter with an Armenian genocide denialist. She believed the genocide didn't happen-- but she also believed we should let people believe it happened anyway. Very weird! When I was in my freshman year of college, I saw a disturbing presentation by another undergrad that went like this. She claimed that there was "really no evidence" that the Armenian genocide actually happened-but that we should encourage people to believe it happened anyway, or at least not publicly discourage it, because of how important the *belief* in the genocide is for the cultural identity of the Armenian people today. This was one of the worst political takes I’ve ever seen expressed in person. There are two main reasons it’s bad. First, *if* we didn’t have evidence that the Armenian genocide happened, then it would actually be monstrous to encourage (or fail to discourage) a false belief in it. Such a false accusation of genocide would be viciously slanderous to the Turks and therefore unjust. It would also be disrespectful and needlessly re-traumatizing to the Armenians themselves. Second, it turns out we DO have a ton of evidence the Armenian genocide happened! This isn’t a mere dogma we repeat to avoid hurting Armenians’ feelings. It is a historical fact, attested by all serious historians, based on overwhelming scientific evidence. The Armenian genocide definitely happened. My memory is fuzzy, since this was in 2011 or 2012. I remember thinking it was screwed up as I was watching it, but I was too ignorant and insecure to say anything at the time. I don’t recall that anyone else significantly pushed back on it either. This was at some kind of undergrad paper presentation conference. I can’t remember the makeup of the presentation's audience. I think it had maybe a few dozen people in it, including mostly undergrads. I don’t remember if there were any professors there or not. I *hope* there weren't any professors who gave their approval of it.
As a person who’s half Turkish I’d wish someday that the Turkish government would just admit to what they did to the Armenians instead of just falsely deny it. There have been way too many ethnic cleansings and mass genocides that have happened all around the world. I feel like that the worst enemy to the human race is… the human race. Ever since Iran and Israel have been firing misiles at each other you cannot convince me otherwise that we are capable of a nuclear holocaust.
@@78skj because the turkish were not acting in good faith? Doesn't matter because all you have to do is the bare minimum amount of research. All the evidence is public. It's not been hidden by Turkey, nor does Armenia pretend it exists.
This is an interesting quote, in the _stanford news,_ contained in an article about Norman Naimark: _"All early drafts of the U.N. genocide convention included social and political groups in its definition. But one hand that wasn’t in the room guided the pen. The Soviet delegation vetoed any definition of genocide that might include the actions of its leader, Joseph Stalin. The Allies, exhausted by war, were loyal to their Soviet allies - to the detriment of subsequent generations."_
@@CynicalHistorian Unfortunately, leaders of global superpowers are unlikely to get prosecuted whatever the international law says. After all, both Holdomor and Sürgünlik meet even this narrower definition of genocide...
I recently visited the Dallas Holocaust and Human Rights Museum. One of the areas of the museum is a very powerful display about the Ten Stages of Genocide, with one historical example used to highlight each stage. The Armenian Genocide was the example for the tenth and final stage - denial.
I'm surprised no one else released a video. Then again, the main reason why I cut this from a previous one is that so few videos have been made on the topic, so it needed to be disconnected from the review
@@CynicalHistorianCan you make one on thr Bangladeshi Genocide by Pakistan? 40 Million Gone or so , They could habe gotten away wiyh it , Of they hadnt Attacked India who latet stepped in.
Patron here. I like the "spinoff" videos idea. This worked really well as a concise, interesting, important video - which may get more reach in this format. It's a *great* idea. I actually missed your review of The Promise. And I'm a bit ashamed to say that I don't know anything about this topic (just for the record, if anyone is curious, I'm American.) So I really appreciated this video. I learned the basics, and this video is a good jumping off point to learn more.
Thx for this video on this topic. Denialism exists not only among Turks, but also among Kurds and Arabs, and in Germany where I'm from it is very rarely talked about
I believe in Cologne, Germany this winter they were going to close a small Armenian Memorial because it offended many of the Islamist locals. This is after the 2016 New Years Eve in that city where over 650 woman were sexually assaulted by Islamic "migrants".
If I got a call from the state department telling me that I should avoid traveling to Turkey because of coverage of the Armenian Genocide I'd treat that as a badge of honor.
It’s really unfortunate that Armenia ended up being sandwiched between two genocidal nations, in Turkey and Russia. Let’s not forget the Circassian genocide perpetrated by Russia. That’s one that sadly no one talks about.
The Circassians, who fled from the Russians to the Ottoman Empire, would go on to be some of the most brutal butchers of the Armenian people under the Ottoman flag. Strange isn't it?
@@avishalom2000lmisrael literally gives civilians a warning before attacking lmao. Imagine the Hamaa or Nazis doing that for the jews. Fucking double standards.
Thank you for posting this. I'm remember a friend of mine was going out with a Turkish woman, I told her I had recently got back from Travelling through Caucuses, I mentioned how friendly the Armenian people are, without hesitation she interjects and starts talking about Armenian history is lies. Talk about Fraudian slip.
Thank you so much for this video! I am shocked by how many people deny that the Armenian Genocide occurred. I myself come from a country where being a Slav in a Slavic country was punishable by death! My grandparents were deported, starved, forbidden to use their own language, abused, and killed! Just like those poor people from Armenia, simply because of who they were. There is a Polish book that is compulsory reading at school in my country. It tells the story of the Armenian Genocide. The author of the book wrote this IN 1925 (!) because he was outraged by what happened and couldn't believe that such a thing could have happened... He didn't know yet that exactly 14 years later, genocide would also take place in his own country! That was probably the first time I learned about it, and then I also read more thanks to SOAD, who never let the world forget about it. Armenians can be proud of them. 🇦🇲 My message to all deniers is this: do not speak out if you have not dealt with people who have been through this hell, because you will never understand it. You will never understand carrying this burden for years as a country and as a community. And looking at the example above, remember that we live in civilized times, but the number of countries that commit genocide out of hatred is increasing! IN YEAR 2024! And just because it's not happening in your country today means it may never happen!
As a jew whose the grandson of a holocaust refugee, the formation of extermination squads is eerily similar to the eisantzgrupen(who I first learnt about through you). As Lempkin said about the shoah, it was not unprecedented and cited the armenian genocide and the holomidor(another genocide that is denied) as previous examples. If you could do a video on the jewish exodus from arab lands, I'd also be much obliged to you. Also since you metioned comic books and watchmen in your video on moral panics, I'd recommend reading attack on titan, both since it has outdone Watchmen as the greatest graphic novel ever made, but a humongous theme is historiography which I'm sure you'll enjoy.
@@Razzanonymous Understandable why you think that. Lempkin actually believes it was a genocide although I’d classify it as cultural more than physical. First of all most of the deaths were specifically targeted against the rural peasantry, who in any eastern culture are generally the custodians of a peoples folklore and customers. Added to this was the fact that Stalin destroyed the autocephaly of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church and made it a diocese of the Muscovite patriarchate. It was basically forced assimilation with mass murder as just a means to achieve it in my opinion
@@Razzanonymous IMO, Stalin was racist. He internally exiled and expelled peoples _who were not ethnic Russians._ (for instance, Jewish people.) He distrusted them. As paranoid as he was, anyone he distrusted, were to be eliminated. Again, my strongly held opinion.
Hitler allegedly said when asked why he thinks they could get away with the Holocaust before his invasion of Poland reportedly responded with this quote “Who, after all, speaks today of the annihilation of the Armenians?"
Thank you for speaking out again about this! I have been listening to the History of the Byzantine Empire and it has been so interesting learning how Asia Minor had come to be leading up to modern history with Armenians playing a key part in both the Eastern Roman and eventually the Turkish states as well. I don’t think many people realize how recent and just how horrific events like these have been
"Who, after all, speaks today of the annihilation of the Armenians?"-Adolf Hitler, 1939 Denial and impunity for genocides encourages these crimes to be repeated.
Side note, American ambassador to the Ottoman Empire from 1913 to 1916 was Henry Morgenthau Sr, father to Henry Morgenthau Jr Secretary of Treasury under FDR and who served on the War Refugee Board.
Thanks for this vidéo Cypher, it's important to remember that dénialism comes with genocide and that governments can easily be complicit in such nefarious agendas
As an Armenian I can't thank you enough for covering the topic. So many large historical youtube channels blatantly ignore the Armenian Genocide, jeopardizing historical integrity. The state-sponsored denialism being conducted by Turkey and Azerbaijan feels crushing for us Armenians, it feels like we are being ignored yet again by the world. So from the bottom of my heart, thank you.
Thanks. Most TH-camrs don't have the courage to make videos on the Armenian genocide. I really appreciate that you are one of the few that live by your principles!
I say you should definitely consider doing additional videos like this, though I'm not sure of any particular video that really needs it. But this kind of focused talk about a subject can get lost in a larger lecture or review, so having it posted as it's own thing will make it more likely for people to see it.
Duty to inform is a primary responsibility of the state department, and not just for our own citizens. That's why you'll often hear that the CIA warned some country before an attack but went unheeded
Thank you for the video. Those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it and thus it falls on us to continue to remember and pass on the knowledge. Deniers can keep their collective heads in the sand for all we care.
I think you should definitely redo some of your videos. It'll help you both ways of getting new subscribers and being able to have old content you can utilize to make them faster. I don't have any specific one. I just have appreciated all the ones you redone as I'm a new member from this last year.
Thanks a million. It was touching and painful to watch your presentation of well documented historic facts about the Armenian Genocide , things I heard growing up from my parents, who's families were butchered in Adana, Alexandretta (Iskenderon), Marash and Istanbul.. Excellent work !!!
On a positive note : TH-cam adds a Wikipedia page link under the video about the Armenian genocide. Pretty cool. - Canada has recognized this genocide and the province of Quebec was the first to recognize it in 1980! (where I live)
As a Turk, I feel so ashamed that a majority of my countrymen continue to deny the Armenian Genocide. I hope that, one day, we will come to realise the error of our ways and reopen the discussion about this crime against humanity. I love my country, but I have to realise where we’ve made mistakes and accept them for what it is. You can’t ignore the thorns of a rose, and you can’t ignore a country’s troubled past if you want it to move forward.
Wonderful video, naturally it’s demonetised. My father is Turkish and my family has always wanted to plan a trip to Turkey but the more I learn about that place, the less I want to go. It’s tragic that such a beautiful country could be governed by monsters like the Pashas.
My family feels sort of the same, my dad’s family was forced out by the Turkish government in the 50s from Istanbul, my grandmother always talks about growing up in Turkey as great but never really mentions leaving.
@@davidrichards8793 that’s unfortunate. My dad has a similar situation as he needs to pay a fee and reacquire citizenship in order to enter the country…? I’m not sure how it all works
Look , I am Greek, my great-grandmother came from Ayvalik with her sisters after their father and uncle were taken to forced labour camps , but not wanting ti go to Turkey because of that is stupid . Its a beautiful country and the people are nice
@@i_noah_guy18 Cenk hasn't denied the Armenian Genocide in over 20 years. They've explained repeatedly why they chose "The Young Turks" as a name. By the way, the co-founders of TYT were Jewish.
Hey, @CynicalHistorian - will you be doing a clip about Srebrenica genocide, and how Serbian leadership has been reacting to it during and after 1995, after the UN vote on it, since you have already done this clip on Armenian genocide...
Me and my girlfriend had a discussion about Slavery and Jim Crow. Im white and shes Afro Mexican. I told her people dont want to face the horrors that their family committed or took part in because its hard to come to terms with. Thats why people deny and get so angry because its so hard to recognize that your loved one can be a monster or you are or were. Denial is a powerful shield people throw up because its just too horrific to even come to terms with. Denial is a horrible thing and people have to come to terms with their own sins one way or another. I feel like we should be faced with what our family did and we should have to come to terms and find ways to mend the wrongs. Theres no good way i feel like that will ever heal it fully besides the passage of time and acceptance.
Being from California's San Joaquin Valley. I've have many friends and neighbors who are descendents of Armenians. Perhaps the kindest souls I've encountered
An important topic, well deserving of all the extra treatment you can give it. Thank you for shedding light on the dark pages of history. I'm Australian (although US-born), and we have our own history of genocide against the Aboriginal people, many aspects of which continue into the present day. And as a nation we struggle to acknowledge the truth and make amends, just as so many newer nations do with respect to their native populations. Perhaps the commonalities found in the experience of these nations in this area would be worth a video or two?
My grandfathers whole family mom dad 3 older brothers and 2 sisters were killed with axe 🪓 and my grandfather was 3 years old left to die and a Greek neighbor found him and sent him to Greece orphanage.He just had one picture of his whole family and was looking at it all the time until his death at age 78 😔sorry grandpa for your pain all your life. 😔Thanks to the Greek neighbor that’s why I’m here and my family to remember this genocide.
I was always a bit confused about Turkeys issues with the Armenian genocide. From my understanding it was done under the Ottomans from 1915-1917 before Turkey was a country. And the leaders who enacted it such as Enver Pasha were tried in absentia in the Turkish Courts-Martial of 1919-20 for crimes of "plunging the country into war without a legitimate reason, forced deportation of Armenians and leaving the country without permission”. So I have no idea why they try to denie it when it was only done in the territory that became their country later by a completely different government and leaders. That would be like early Americans getting mad at someone bringing to light domestic atrocity done by the British colonial government . Unless I’m mistaken on more involvement by people who would later lead Turkey or something it just seems very confusing to me why they’d get defensive or dismiss it even happening
This is a great question and I’d like to answer it as my people have faced this firsthand. The threats that many Christians faced from the Turkish government didn’t end with the proclamation of a republic, they simply continued albeit much more quietly. I’ll give you the event my family went through as an example, for some background my dad’s side are Greek Christians from Northern Epirus (Which is on the border of Greece and Albania) who fled their home to Istanbul with the outbreak of world war 2. My Great Grandfather’s family had already been running a butchery in the city for a while (according to my Grandmother Greeks couldn’t own such shops). My Grandmother was actually born in the city in 1943 and lived there until she was 12 (1955). The reason they left was because of a pogrom carried out by the Turkish government and turkey’s “special security forces”. The justification for the pogrom was to remove the Greek population from Istanbul (which was allowed to stay in the city even after the population exchange) because of the ongoing crisis that was taking place in Cyprus which saw a majority of Greek Cypriots violently demanding union with Greece after the British began to decolonize. The Turkish minority faced extensive persecution and even some massacres as well. The Turkish government decided to set off a bomb at the Turkish consulate in Thessaloniki (where Atatürk was born), and trucked in rioters to destroy any non Turkish property (Greeks as well as Armenians and Jews were attacked). The mob would kill anywhere from at least a dozen to 30 people and injure many more. The ruling government at the time, the “Democrat” party was ultimately ousted in a coup staged by military officers 5 years after the event yet there’s been barely and recognition from the Turkish state officially aside from the few “there’s been wrongdoings”. In fact, many in the military were sympathetic to the party’s action with a lot of denial and nationalism still being present to this day.
The founding father of the modern Turkish Republic was part of the same political party (The Young Turks) that orchestrated the genocide. He also supported and finished it from 1918 to 1924. Ataturk banned all claims of Armenians to their private properties that became nationalized under his command for Turkey's new treasury fund to rebuild the country. Ataturk pardoned the same perpetrators you mention that were condemned in abstentia by the Court Martials of 1919. Many returned from captivity under the British in Malta and were given key government positions within Ataturk's administration. The main architect of the Armenian Genocide, Talaat Pasha's cadaver was transported from Nazi Germany to Istanbul under official State ceremony by Ataturk. Moreover, Ataturk installed the official policy of denial, the last stage of genocide. The Republic of Turkey is equally responsible than the Ottoman Empire for the genocide.
I would love to see more of this. I tend to not be really interested in the movies side of it but the history they are meant to represent. For me the history is the part I actually want to watch and engage with.
Can I ask why you posted a segment of an older review? I’m not complaining or saying that informing people about the Armenian genocide is unimportant, I’m just wondering why this is from an old video.
Creating this spinoff video from an earlier video was a good idea, because it resulted in people like me seeing it, and it's good to get this info in front of as many people as possible.
Great video Cypher. I hope you make a similar video for China and the legacy of the Nanking Massacre by Imperial Japanese Army and Japan's reluctance of recognizing its past and war crimes and denialism.
Thank You For Being Brave and Getting into this Topic, the Christian Genocide as many like to call it was a horrible one and cut people from their roots and their land, 1/2 Armenian has a family murder history of this Era
In the original video, I noticed that you listed the deportations occurring before Red Sunday as an inaccuracy. However, the genocide beginning on Red Sunday (April 24th) is really a common misconception. I believe the earliest recorded deportations occurred in early March. The deportations and massacres then intensified in early-mid April, right before Red Sunday. All this was after Armenians in the Ottoman army were forcibly disarmed and put into labor battalions in late February. It's also possible that the Tehcir Law passed on May 27th was done so to give its actions the cover of legality after the allies issued a declaration condemning the genocide three days earlier.
Someone has to remember it because we can't allow it to be forgotten. After all, if we forget we will pretend it never happened. That's the role of History. Great video, thanks.
Dhimmi isn't simply referring to non-muslims, originally it only referred to jews, christians and sabeans, and later it was extended to other religious groups, and they could make a contract with muslim rulers to get dhimmi status, but that was not automatic, and your statement at the start could be interpreted in that way.
Another aspect of denial that might be worth its own video - throughs the 20th century the Turks actively blew up Armenian historical sites. Blow up the evidence that there was ever a significant population in the first place, complete and total erasure. I'm pretty sure these demolitions are no longer denied which makes them an interesting way of discussing the situation. There's even a story of how the Famous medieval church of Akthtamar on an Island in Lake Van (now a candidate for world heritage listing!!) was saved from destruction due to the publicity created by a young Turkish Journalist, Yaşar Kemal, who went on to become one of the countries most famous writers.
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0:45 Most Armenians were Oriental Orthodox, not Eastern Orthodox (thx @victorhoang6633 )
*Bibliography*
Raymond Kevorkian, _The Armenian Genocide: A Complete History_ (New York: IB Tauris, 2011). amzn.to/2zrw0br
Screw that woke social media company censoring this.
I think you meant to write "descent" in the description, not dissent?
later this 2024 there's going to a biopic of ronald reagon are you going to be talking about the reagon film
In before the comment's get flooded with Turkish nationalists saying "it never happened but it should happen again"
true
Unsurprisingly similar to neonazi positions in Germany.
@@SomePotato*all over the world
@@ilovepancakes225 ah yes, the classic "West bad" take, was waiting for it.
@ilovepancakes225 of course. Every villain in history was just a victim of The West. We should just forget the genocide because it makes Enver Pasha 2.0 feel sad:(
0:45 Armenians are not generally Eastern Orthodox. The Armenian Apostolic Church which is the largest of the Armenian Churches are Oriental Orthodox or Miaphysite as they reject the Council of Chalcedon which Eastern Orthodox Christians accept. It's weird that Eastern and Oriental are synonyms and can be used interchangeably in most contexts except this one.
Thank you for pointing that out. I'll pin a comment soon about it
I can understand part of the assertment that people confuse it since the genocides perpetrated by the Ottoman and Turkish authorities focused on the whole Christian population of the Ottoman Empire (regardless of denomination, being an Armenian, a Pontic Greek, or an Assyrian). To the Turkish governments of Constantinople and Ankara, they were treated as Orthodox (Eastern and Oriental) subjects ruled by their respective Patriarchs and Archbishops.
Was literally in the middle of writing up a comment about this before checking and seeing your comment. Thanks for pointing it out, everyone always forgets about the Oriental Orthodox.
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@@Biedrik4 I think Armenian folk belief sometimes gets called polytheistic for seeing Noah's family as their own lesser gods
thank you for mentioning Rafał Lemkin. he was a polish lawyer and an expert on international law. after hearing about Armenia he practically made it his life mission to have the crime of genocide recognized legally. he died in poverty, couldn't pay rent, didn't have money for food.. before anyone was ever prosecuted for the crime he named. the UN genocide definition was formed imho through big compromises, Lemkin's original theory published was already fairly precise. after all it took him 20 years and he faced a lot of pushback from peers... may his efforts never be forgotten.
He was a Jewish lawyer and Holocaust survivor.
As an addendum, it might be mentioned for American audiences that the federal government didn't officially recognize Armenian genocide until 2021. 49 of the 50 states recognized the event as well with the last holdout, Mississippi, recognizing it in 2022.
Better late than never, I guess, but that is shockingly late.
Wonder why Mississippi is holding out.
@@mcgovemj From what I understand, it was primarily economic self interest. They had a lot of international business investment from Turkish firms and were hesitant to cross that line for fear of souring relations.
@@mcgovemjI doubt the average Mississippian has ever even heard of Armenia, let alone the Armenian Genocide
No surprise from a state that has Confederate Memorial Day as a holiday. This is why Mississippi can't have nice things.
This is unfortunately an often (deliberately) forgotten chapter of history and it’s a travesty that the denial of the Armenian Genocide is still so normal and accepted for many even today. The crybullying by these denialists shouldn’t be entertained on any platform for one second but here we are.
Bro this happened within the last year. And people ignored it.
Yeah forgotten, this is why every Kyle from Idaho wants to liberate Constantinople. If you want a real forgotten genocide talk about the Assyrians.
I'm so happy you put System of a Down in the video, they introduced me to the topic at a young age
Something neat as well is that the government of Armenia honored Serj Tankian and SOAD for spreading awareness on the history. Also California in 1997 I think was one of the first states to recognize the Armenian Genocide which probably owed to there being a lot of Armenian Americans living in Glendale which is where SOAD was formed
The original episode reviewed a movie that Serj Tankian did some of the soundtrack for. That's how I found out about the song
@@CynicalHistorian Thank you for continuously putting out good historical content. I have followed your channel for several years now. I always look forward to seeing a new video drop.
I got here before the Turkish nationalist. I'm sure the comment section is going to spiral out of control rapidly.
It doesn't seem to have done that yet.
@@MatthewTheWanderer Only one thread have caught their attention so far
There are generally three ways the perpetrators of a genocide talk about it after the fact:
- brag about it and inflate the numbers. The people who were killed were pretty much orcs from Lord of the Rings, and we were righteous in wielding the mighty power of God against them.
- admit to it, but insist that you only did it because they were orcs from Lord of the Rings, and you REALLY hated doing it. Downplay the numbers and insist that actually, you're kinda the victim too since you had to sully your hands.
- I'm sorry, who are these "Armenian" people you keep speaking of? Never heard of em.
Dehumanization of a group of people is a helluva drug, innit?
And if none of those work, there's "Hey, they're doing great now-have you seen some of those casinos?"
I almost never hear of any of the perpetrators or their sympathizers talk like the first two ways, which I find strange. After all, if they hate the genocide victims so much, why do they almost always deny committing genocide against them?
@@MatthewTheWanderer look at what religious Zionists are saying now.
Nr. 1 and 2 rely on others having a negative enough view of those populations too.
Here come the Turks.
They review bombed Moon Knight for a one line reference one can only imagine how much they hate actual history
Turk here. Hi. I think you meant here comes the nationalists.
@@DarkArcticTV ne alaka?
@@DarkArcticTV So basically all of them
As of recently, many Muslim majority countries have been openly acknowledging the genocide after relations with Turkey soured. Back in Egypt (which was one of the first countries in the Arab world which recognized the independence of Armenia in 1991) there was a drama series that aired during Ramadan in 2021 that openly referenced the genocide. The fact that Turkey still refuses to acknowledge it is disgusting.
@@Makeyousmile-vv4cr never said I hated Turkish people. I don’t like governments denying actual atrocities they committed.
It means that they can never heal. This hatred between Turkey and Armenia will never be able to change, to improve, to move into a better place until Turkey is able to acknowledge, culturally, where the Armenians are coming from
My memory could trick me, but if i remember correctly the current offical turkish denial was kind of instated by the current turkish leader.
So there is probably hope that when he's not in office anymore at some point this might change there too.
@@samwill7259Turkey has been denying the genocide since the genocide took place.
@@alituncer4245 he means the nation in which modern day turkey inhabits now - the ottoman empire, for example, was the predecessor to the turkey we know today :)
Its ironic how the Armenian Genocide which lead to the term being coined is also one of the most denied genocides.
According to Wikipedia the first genocide in modern history was perpetrated by the Chinese Imperial Government in the late 18th century when they killed hundreds of thousands of Dzungarians - a Mongol related minority of northern China. So genocide is far from being only a Middle Eastern or European phenomenon.
@@kaloarepo288 Obviously, but it was that the first genocide to be called a genocide? Were are looking from a historiography perspective, or the history of history.
@@JonBerry555 A genocide as I understand it, is an attempt to wipe out a whole ethnic group and its culture so that no traces of it can be found. Ancient Romans would have done it as with the Etruscans - to such an extent that their language and literature has been lost -they also did it with Carthage. So its not just about killing people it can also be about depriving some groups of their culture without actually killing them and channeling them into your own culture - so arguably forbidding native groups in the Americas and in Australia being forced to adopt western customs and language and to forget their native cultures.
@@JonBerry555 Well, the term was first coined in 1944 to describe what the Nazis were doing to Poles in Poland, and was retroactively applied to the Armenian genocide.
@@minutemansam1214 Was the nazis or the communists?
I had a particularly weird encounter with an Armenian genocide denialist. She believed the genocide didn't happen-- but she also believed we should let people believe it happened anyway. Very weird!
When I was in my freshman year of college, I saw a disturbing presentation by another undergrad that went like this. She claimed that there was "really no evidence" that the Armenian genocide actually happened-but that we should encourage people to believe it happened anyway, or at least not publicly discourage it, because of how important the *belief* in the genocide is for the cultural identity of the Armenian people today.
This was one of the worst political takes I’ve ever seen expressed in person. There are two main reasons it’s bad. First, *if* we didn’t have evidence that the Armenian genocide happened, then it would actually be monstrous to encourage (or fail to discourage) a false belief in it. Such a false accusation of genocide would be viciously slanderous to the Turks and therefore unjust. It would also be disrespectful and needlessly re-traumatizing to the Armenians themselves.
Second, it turns out we DO have a ton of evidence the Armenian genocide happened! This isn’t a mere dogma we repeat to avoid hurting Armenians’ feelings. It is a historical fact, attested by all serious historians, based on overwhelming scientific evidence. The Armenian genocide definitely happened.
My memory is fuzzy, since this was in 2011 or 2012. I remember thinking it was screwed up as I was watching it, but I was too ignorant and insecure to say anything at the time. I don’t recall that anyone else significantly pushed back on it either. This was at some kind of undergrad paper presentation conference. I can’t remember the makeup of the presentation's audience. I think it had maybe a few dozen people in it, including mostly undergrads. I don’t remember if there were any professors there or not. I *hope* there weren't any professors who gave their approval of it.
Wow, that's uh diabolical
That's vile
As a person who’s half Turkish I’d wish someday that the Turkish government would just admit to what they did to the Armenians instead of just falsely deny it. There have been way too many ethnic cleansings and mass genocides that have happened all around the world. I feel like that the worst enemy to the human race is… the human race. Ever since Iran and Israel have been firing misiles at each other you cannot convince me otherwise that we are capable of a nuclear holocaust.
@@78skj because the turkish were not acting in good faith? Doesn't matter because all you have to do is the bare minimum amount of research. All the evidence is public. It's not been hidden by Turkey, nor does Armenia pretend it exists.
This is an interesting quote, in the _stanford news,_ contained in an article about Norman Naimark:
_"All early drafts of the U.N. genocide convention included social and political groups in its definition. But one hand that wasn’t in the room guided the pen. The Soviet delegation vetoed any definition of genocide that might include the actions of its leader, Joseph Stalin. The Allies, exhausted by war, were loyal to their Soviet allies - to the detriment of subsequent generations."_
Yep, because Stalin knew that he would face prosecution under international law if social and political groups were included in the definition
@@CynicalHistorian That's wild.
@@CynicalHistorian Unfortunately, leaders of global superpowers are unlikely to get prosecuted whatever the international law says. After all, both Holdomor and Sürgünlik meet even this narrower definition of genocide...
You did the right and just thing. Thank you for standing up for factual, actual information.
I recently visited the Dallas Holocaust and Human Rights Museum. One of the areas of the museum is a very powerful display about the Ten Stages of Genocide, with one historical example used to highlight each stage. The Armenian Genocide was the example for the tenth and final stage - denial.
Thank you for speaking out on this subject.
I’m glad one of the history youtubers is talking about this today
I'm surprised no one else released a video. Then again, the main reason why I cut this from a previous one is that so few videos have been made on the topic, so it needed to be disconnected from the review
@@CynicalHistorianCan you make one on thr Bangladeshi Genocide by Pakistan? 40 Million Gone or so , They could habe gotten away wiyh it , Of they hadnt Attacked India who latet stepped in.
Patron here. I like the "spinoff" videos idea. This worked really well as a concise, interesting, important video - which may get more reach in this format. It's a *great* idea.
I actually missed your review of The Promise. And I'm a bit ashamed to say that I don't know anything about this topic (just for the record, if anyone is curious, I'm American.) So I really appreciated this video. I learned the basics, and this video is a good jumping off point to learn more.
Thx for this video on this topic. Denialism exists not only among Turks, but also among Kurds and Arabs, and in Germany where I'm from it is very rarely talked about
I believe in Cologne, Germany this winter they were going to close a small Armenian Memorial because it offended many of the Islamist locals. This is after the 2016 New Years Eve in that city where over 650 woman were sexually assaulted by Islamic "migrants".
If I got a call from the state department telling me that I should avoid traveling to Turkey because of coverage of the Armenian Genocide I'd treat that as a badge of honor.
I long have
It’s really unfortunate that Armenia ended up being sandwiched between two genocidal nations, in Turkey and Russia. Let’s not forget the Circassian genocide perpetrated by Russia. That’s one that sadly no one talks about.
@@alituncer4245 i agree with razzanonymous, and i am from andorra so 🤷🏻♂🤷🏻♂
They also have to deal with Azerbaijan.
The Circassians, who fled from the Russians to the Ottoman Empire, would go on to be some of the most brutal butchers of the Armenian people under the Ottoman flag. Strange isn't it?
@@arthursirkejyan9607not necessarily. Look at what Israel is doing in gaza. Victims become perpetrators all the time. They are all too human
@@avishalom2000lmisrael literally gives civilians a warning before attacking lmao. Imagine the Hamaa or Nazis doing that for the jews. Fucking double standards.
You continually spark my love for history. Thank you for all of your hard work and insight.
Thank you so very much for making this video.
thanks for the video
Thank you for posting this. I'm remember a friend of mine was going out with a Turkish woman, I told her I had recently got back from Travelling through Caucuses, I mentioned how friendly the Armenian people are, without hesitation she interjects and starts talking about Armenian history is lies. Talk about Fraudian slip.
excellent work as always.
Thank you for this video
Thank you for continuing the fight for our freedom to learn and to discuss. You’re a warrior whether you’re in the Army or not.
Thank you so much for this video!
I am shocked by how many people deny that the Armenian Genocide occurred. I myself come from a country where being a Slav in a Slavic country was punishable by death! My grandparents were deported, starved, forbidden to use their own language, abused, and killed! Just like those poor people from Armenia, simply because of who they were.
There is a Polish book that is compulsory reading at school in my country. It tells the story of the Armenian Genocide. The author of the book wrote this IN 1925 (!) because he was outraged by what happened and couldn't believe that such a thing could have happened... He didn't know yet that exactly 14 years later, genocide would also take place in his own country! That was probably the first time I learned about it, and then I also read more thanks to SOAD, who never let the world forget about it. Armenians can be proud of them. 🇦🇲
My message to all deniers is this: do not speak out if you have not dealt with people who have been through this hell, because you will never understand it. You will never understand carrying this burden for years as a country and as a community.
And looking at the example above, remember that we live in civilized times, but the number of countries that commit genocide out of hatred is increasing! IN YEAR 2024! And just because it's not happening in your country today means it may never happen!
As a jew whose the grandson of a holocaust refugee, the formation of extermination squads is eerily similar to the eisantzgrupen(who I first learnt about through you). As Lempkin said about the shoah, it was not unprecedented and cited the armenian genocide and the holomidor(another genocide that is denied) as previous examples. If you could do a video on the jewish exodus from arab lands, I'd also be much obliged to you. Also since you metioned comic books and watchmen in your video on moral panics, I'd recommend reading attack on titan, both since it has outdone Watchmen as the greatest graphic novel ever made, but a humongous theme is historiography which I'm sure you'll enjoy.
One correction: The Holodomor is not considered a genocide due to the lack of evidence of the intent for the USSR to exterminate Ukrainians.
@@Razzanonymous Understandable why you think that. Lempkin actually believes it was a genocide although I’d classify it as cultural more than physical. First of all most of the deaths were specifically targeted against the rural peasantry, who in any eastern culture are generally the custodians of a peoples folklore and customers. Added to this was the fact that Stalin destroyed the autocephaly of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church and made it a diocese of the Muscovite patriarchate. It was basically forced assimilation with mass murder as just a means to achieve it in my opinion
@@Razzanonymous IMO, Stalin was racist. He internally exiled and expelled peoples _who were not ethnic Russians._ (for instance, Jewish people.)
He distrusted them.
As paranoid as he was, anyone he distrusted, were to be eliminated.
Again, my strongly held opinion.
Hitler allegedly said when asked why he thinks they could get away with the Holocaust before his invasion of Poland reportedly responded with this quote “Who, after all, speaks today of the annihilation of the Armenians?"
@@grmpEqweer Thank you. Stalin really at the end of the day was a Russian ultranationalist. And what’s ironic is that the man was an ethnic Georgian.
Got yourself another context notice i see.I love when TH-cam adds context notes to your vids, thats all you do is provide context, lol.
Half the time, TH-cam puts an incorrect context to the video too, LOL
Thank you for speaking out again about this! I have been listening to the History of the Byzantine Empire and it has been so interesting learning how Asia Minor had come to be leading up to modern history with Armenians playing a key part in both the Eastern Roman and eventually the Turkish states as well. I don’t think many people realize how recent and just how horrific events like these have been
This is another amazing video. Thank you for the education.
"Who, after all, speaks today of the annihilation of the Armenians?"-Adolf Hitler, 1939
Denial and impunity for genocides encourages these crimes to be repeated.
Good work man, keep educating people!
thank you for spreading the word and story of my people
Nice to see someone doing real History videos on subjects everyone else avoids!
Great work!!
Thanks for the video
Very informative video.
This was a great idea - any key topic keep em coming
You must continue, the dark truths of the history of mankind must be known, and not let the evil wins.
Side note, American ambassador to the Ottoman Empire from 1913 to 1916 was Henry Morgenthau Sr, father to Henry Morgenthau Jr Secretary of Treasury under FDR and who served on the War Refugee Board.
Thanks for this vidéo Cypher, it's important to remember that dénialism comes with genocide and that governments can easily be complicit in such nefarious agendas
I'm giving a thumbs up to let TH-cam and Google know what I think.
As an Armenian I can't thank you enough for covering the topic. So many large historical youtube channels blatantly ignore the Armenian Genocide, jeopardizing historical integrity. The state-sponsored denialism being conducted by Turkey and Azerbaijan feels crushing for us Armenians, it feels like we are being ignored yet again by the world. So from the bottom of my heart, thank you.
Great job. Very interesting
Congratulations on the work done to get this out. And for your incoming ban from Turkey.
Thanks. Most TH-camrs don't have the courage to make videos on the Armenian genocide. I really appreciate that you are one of the few that live by your principles!
You do good work sir.
I say you should definitely consider doing additional videos like this, though I'm not sure of any particular video that really needs it. But this kind of focused talk about a subject can get lost in a larger lecture or review, so having it posted as it's own thing will make it more likely for people to see it.
Kudos to our state department for telling Americans they are on a special list in other countries and to not travel there 😂
Duty to inform is a primary responsibility of the state department, and not just for our own citizens. That's why you'll often hear that the CIA warned some country before an attack but went unheeded
You should do more videos like this one 👍👍
Great vid!
History needs to be remembered
Thank you for the video. Those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it and thus it falls on us to continue to remember and pass on the knowledge. Deniers can keep their collective heads in the sand for all we care.
I think you should definitely redo some of your videos. It'll help you both ways of getting new subscribers and being able to have old content you can utilize to make them faster. I don't have any specific one. I just have appreciated all the ones you redone as I'm a new member from this last year.
Good video 👍
Thanks a million. It was touching and painful to watch your presentation of well documented historic facts about the Armenian Genocide , things I heard growing up from my parents, who's families were butchered in Adana, Alexandretta (Iskenderon), Marash and Istanbul.. Excellent work !!!
Keep preaching the facts good sir!
On a positive note : TH-cam adds a Wikipedia page link under the video about the Armenian genocide. Pretty cool.
- Canada has recognized this genocide and the province of Quebec was the first to recognize it in 1980! (where I live)
Thanks!
And thank you very much too
A good reprise of a topic, about which we are in denial, is always in order.
As a Turk, I feel so ashamed that a majority of my countrymen continue to deny the Armenian Genocide. I hope that, one day, we will come to realise the error of our ways and reopen the discussion about this crime against humanity. I love my country, but I have to realise where we’ve made mistakes and accept them for what it is. You can’t ignore the thorns of a rose, and you can’t ignore a country’s troubled past if you want it to move forward.
Olmayan şeyin inkarı olmaz hoş görünmek için birilerinin kıçını yalamayı bırak
Wonderful video, naturally it’s demonetised.
My father is Turkish and my family has always wanted to plan a trip to Turkey but the more I learn about that place, the less I want to go.
It’s tragic that such a beautiful country could be governed by monsters like the Pashas.
My family feels sort of the same, my dad’s family was forced out by the Turkish government in the 50s from Istanbul, my grandmother always talks about growing up in Turkey as great but never really mentions leaving.
@@davidrichards8793 that’s unfortunate. My dad has a similar situation as he needs to pay a fee and reacquire citizenship in order to enter the country…? I’m not sure how it all works
Look , I am Greek, my great-grandmother came from Ayvalik with her sisters after their father and uncle were taken to forced labour camps , but not wanting ti go to Turkey because of that is stupid . Its a beautiful country and the people are nice
“The Young Turks, not those ones” Cenk and Ana will get a laugh from this
Seems like they deliberately choose that name. Im sure they knew the history
@@MrPigeonaids Ironically Cenk is Turkish and Ana is Armenian
@@MrPigeonaidsI think it was originally. But considering Ana is Armenian, I believe Cenk changed his denialism.
@@i_noah_guy18 Cenk hasn't denied the Armenian Genocide in over 20 years. They've explained repeatedly why they chose "The Young Turks" as a name. By the way, the co-founders of TYT were Jewish.
@@i_noah_guy18 He did come out with a statement addressing this a while back but I'm still kinda iffy about his history with denialism.
Hey, @CynicalHistorian - will you be doing a clip about Srebrenica genocide, and how Serbian leadership has been reacting to it during and after 1995, after the UN vote on it, since you have already done this clip on Armenian genocide...
We need more of this type of content indeed
Here before mehmed14 calls this video propaganda
Too late
Can you do a video on king Leopold ?
...And his gin o side in the Congo?
@@grmpEqweer yes
Спасибо вам большое за это видео.
The neighbors growing up were Armenian. Upon meeting them , it was the first time my dad heard of the Armenian Holocaust
Me and my girlfriend had a discussion about Slavery and Jim Crow. Im white and shes Afro Mexican. I told her people dont want to face the horrors that their family committed or took part in because its hard to come to terms with. Thats why people deny and get so angry because its so hard to recognize that your loved one can be a monster or you are or were. Denial is a powerful shield people throw up because its just too horrific to even come to terms with. Denial is a horrible thing and people have to come to terms with their own sins one way or another. I feel like we should be faced with what our family did and we should have to come to terms and find ways to mend the wrongs. Theres no good way i feel like that will ever heal it fully besides the passage of time and acceptance.
The horror their family were involved in, related to slavery? Whose in yjr family tree, Ben Aflek or Don Cheadle?
I think spin offs about subjects this serious are a good thing especially if you need time before your next large video comes out
I love old maps, that 1877 'The avenger has some neat imagery (switzerland a clock, italy a devil, france fighting itself...)
I think you’re updating your old videos is probably good because we need to know the truth that America is denying us.
Being from California's San Joaquin Valley. I've have many friends and neighbors who are descendents of Armenians. Perhaps the kindest souls I've encountered
An important topic, well deserving of all the extra treatment you can give it. Thank you for shedding light on the dark pages of history. I'm Australian (although US-born), and we have our own history of genocide against the Aboriginal people, many aspects of which continue into the present day. And as a nation we struggle to acknowledge the truth and make amends, just as so many newer nations do with respect to their native populations. Perhaps the commonalities found in the experience of these nations in this area would be worth a video or two?
My grandfathers whole family mom dad 3 older brothers and 2 sisters were killed with axe 🪓 and my grandfather was 3 years old left to die and a Greek neighbor found him and sent him to Greece orphanage.He just had one picture of his whole family and was looking at it all the time until his death at age 78 😔sorry grandpa for your pain all your life. 😔Thanks to the Greek neighbor that’s why I’m here and my family to remember this genocide.
"not those ones"
I was always a bit confused about Turkeys issues with the Armenian genocide. From my understanding it was done under the Ottomans from 1915-1917 before Turkey was a country. And the leaders who enacted it such as Enver Pasha were tried in absentia in the Turkish Courts-Martial of 1919-20 for crimes of "plunging the country into war without a legitimate reason, forced deportation of Armenians and leaving the country without permission”. So I have no idea why they try to denie it when it was only done in the territory that became their country later by a completely different government and leaders. That would be like early Americans getting mad at someone bringing to light domestic atrocity done by the British colonial government . Unless I’m mistaken on more involvement by people who would later lead Turkey or something it just seems very confusing to me why they’d get defensive or dismiss it even happening
This is a great question and I’d like to answer it as my people have faced this firsthand. The threats that many Christians faced from the Turkish government didn’t end with the proclamation of a republic, they simply continued albeit much more quietly. I’ll give you the event my family went through as an example, for some background my dad’s side are Greek Christians from Northern Epirus (Which is on the border of Greece and Albania) who fled their home to Istanbul with the outbreak of world war 2. My Great Grandfather’s family had already been running a butchery in the city for a while (according to my Grandmother Greeks couldn’t own such shops). My Grandmother was actually born in the city in 1943 and lived there until she was 12 (1955). The reason they left was because of a pogrom carried out by the Turkish government and turkey’s “special security forces”. The justification for the pogrom was to remove the Greek population from Istanbul (which was allowed to stay in the city even after the population exchange) because of the ongoing crisis that was taking place in Cyprus which saw a majority of Greek Cypriots violently demanding union with Greece after the British began to decolonize. The Turkish minority faced extensive persecution and even some massacres as well. The Turkish government decided to set off a bomb at the Turkish consulate in Thessaloniki (where Atatürk was born), and trucked in rioters to destroy any non Turkish property (Greeks as well as Armenians and Jews were attacked). The mob would kill anywhere from at least a dozen to 30 people and injure many more. The ruling government at the time, the “Democrat” party was ultimately ousted in a coup staged by military officers 5 years after the event yet there’s been barely and recognition from the Turkish state officially aside from the few “there’s been wrongdoings”. In fact, many in the military were sympathetic to the party’s action with a lot of denial and nationalism still being present to this day.
The founding father of the modern Turkish Republic was part of the same political party (The Young Turks) that orchestrated the genocide. He also supported and finished it from 1918 to 1924. Ataturk banned all claims of Armenians to their private properties that became nationalized under his command for Turkey's new treasury fund to rebuild the country. Ataturk pardoned the same perpetrators you mention that were condemned in abstentia by the Court Martials of 1919. Many returned from captivity under the British in Malta and were given key government positions within Ataturk's administration. The main architect of the Armenian Genocide, Talaat Pasha's cadaver was transported from Nazi Germany to Istanbul under official State ceremony by Ataturk. Moreover, Ataturk installed the official policy of denial, the last stage of genocide. The Republic of Turkey is equally responsible than the Ottoman Empire for the genocide.
Would love to see you do a collab with Sam Aronow at some point. Maybe on Fievel Goes West?
I've voiced stuff for him before
The Young Turks joke's 3rd appearance made me spit out my goats milk
It's good to know that there were people back then who tried their best to help people. Gives me some hope for humanity.
I would love to see more of this. I tend to not be really interested in the movies side of it but the history they are meant to represent. For me the history is the part I actually want to watch and engage with.
Can I ask why you posted a segment of an older review? I’m not complaining or saying that informing people about the Armenian genocide is unimportant, I’m just wondering why this is from an old video.
Creating this spinoff video from an earlier video was a good idea, because it resulted in people like me seeing it, and it's good to get this info in front of as many people as possible.
Great video Cypher. I hope you make a similar video for China and the legacy of the Nanking Massacre by Imperial Japanese Army and Japan's reluctance of recognizing its past and war crimes and denialism.
Thank You For Being Brave and Getting into this Topic, the Christian Genocide as many like to call it was a horrible one and cut people from their roots and their land, 1/2 Armenian has a family murder history of this Era
Painfully relevant today 🖤
In the original video, I noticed that you listed the deportations occurring before Red Sunday as an inaccuracy. However, the genocide beginning on Red Sunday (April 24th) is really a common misconception. I believe the earliest recorded deportations occurred in early March. The deportations and massacres then intensified in early-mid April, right before Red Sunday. All this was after Armenians in the Ottoman army were forcibly disarmed and put into labor battalions in late February.
It's also possible that the Tehcir Law passed on May 27th was done so to give its actions the cover of legality after the allies issued a declaration condemning the genocide three days earlier.
Someone has to remember it because we can't allow it to be forgotten. After all, if we forget we will pretend it never happened. That's the role of History. Great video, thanks.
The Namibian Genocide needs to be discussed historically as well.
I think this is super relevant because of the new Armenian genocide that is happening keep it up
Thank You for your bravery.
Wow! That's a trophy in your career if you have the US State Department warning you specifically not to travel to certain places!
Dhimmi isn't simply referring to non-muslims, originally it only referred to jews, christians and sabeans, and later it was extended to other religious groups, and they could make a contract with muslim rulers to get dhimmi status, but that was not automatic, and your statement at the start could be interpreted in that way.
And funnily enough we have no idea who the Sabians the Qur'an was referring to are
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Yes we have sabeans exist in iraq they are called sabean mandanai
God bless you brother thank you for your support of the truth!
Another aspect of denial that might be worth its own video - throughs the 20th century the Turks actively blew up Armenian historical sites. Blow up the evidence that there was ever a significant population in the first place, complete and total erasure. I'm pretty sure these demolitions are no longer denied which makes them an interesting way of discussing the situation. There's even a story of how the Famous medieval church of Akthtamar on an Island in Lake Van (now a candidate for world heritage listing!!) was saved from destruction due to the publicity created by a young Turkish Journalist, Yaşar Kemal, who went on to become one of the countries most famous writers.