It's annoying that Reynad understands Byron better than Mitch does, Reynad trying to explain how Mitch's actions hurt him and why he's acting the way he does, but then Mitch tries to play the victim without taking in what Reynad is saying. "Turns out that Mitch Jones were David Jones all along" - Toez 2016.
It's also because of language. Not saying Forsen isn't good at speaking english but I see how he often struggles to explain things correctly. His explanations are often very simple and can seem wrong because he fails to accurately describe what he actually means. I recognize it because I have the same problem since english isn't my first language and I rarely speak it.
Void Shrine In my opinion at least some of it has to do with language. Sure he got his point across but if he was better at speaking english and had a greater vocabulary he might sound more humble or would be able to explain it more detailed instead of going "if he had a button to press and it would ban him, he'd do it". As an example I won't be very good at debating anything (like politics for example) in english. Maybe if I was typing it'd be easier since I can review my text and correct mistakes but talking about it live it'd be easier to say "Hillary is a criminal!". So even if we didn't misinterpret what his view on it is, he could have done a better job explaining why he feels the way he does.
Im going to be brutally honest, anyone in the twitch chat saying that this convo was "CRINGE" or "CRINGY", you really need to get outside more, this is a normal conversation friends would have and shouldn't make anyone cringe.
+D3wwwD I'm going to be brutally honest with you, if you think the twitch chat is serious and not full of trolls, you probably aren't that smart or get out to see that people joke
He had no time to tell Byron because, you know, he makes up plans on the fly. ...Except he had time to ask his dad if it was okay for Mira to cut into their family visit he had planned for a long while.
Bees 1. It's not very classy to butt into a family event like that without notice. Pretty sure Mira did the same thing when Mitch showed up to Reck's in the first place so there's a pattern there. It's a powerplay emotionally. It says "Hey, Dad, I don't care so much about spending time with you, even though we made plans a long time ago, so I'm gonna bring my girl along instead. We cool?" And if the dad says no, it turns into the Dad being a bad guy instead of the person butting in. 2. He didn't dismiss the thought outright, which means he IS fine with tossing any plans he has aside for whatever she wants. This is why he's so conflicted right now. Shows how enamored with the chick he is. If they love each other equally that'd be great, but third parties had repeatedly (even Reynad the first night/morning Mira was there) said she's playing him. The issue is we don't have an obvious cause, but some folks just want attention... and we also know from livestreams Mira goes out of her way to make plans on 'what will the drama be about today?' for streams which both Mitch and Reckful thought was really bizarre. 3. If he had enough time to talk with his dad, he had more than enough time to tell Reck those very same plans. But he'd have to admit to seeing Mira on the side and withholding information. So Mitch opted to pop evasion and hope for the best without much looking at the logical conclusions. The longer it went on, the worse the blowout was gonna be. Toe might have actually mitigated a lot more fallout damage by stumbling into them when he did.
The whole point is that mitch is a pathological liar and also a sociopath and byron didn't realize it until just now. So it's understandable that he wants to stay away from mitch. I'd do the same.. How can you trust someone like that? If there's no trust, there cant be friendship. Mitch is EXTREMELY manipulative without even realizing it and he isnt bringing up the right issues to reynad. Props to reynads for being a bro and trying anyway.
You're seeing this situation completely wrong. Byron THINKS that Mitch is some kind of a liar who only does shit for views and whatever. But Byron is just being extremely paranoid about basically everything, almost schizophrenic. Like the shit with sodapoppin and crew, the shit with Luna, this with Mitch. He thinks everybody has a secret agenda and tries to fuck him over, or use him for views, while I think they're all just chillin. Like who hasn't gossiped about some semi-friends, or who hasn't accidently spilled something n shit. Mitch is just kind of a dumb idiot, but seems like a genuinly, good guy. Byron even always talked about how happy Mitch made him and how he liked to chill with him all the time. Byron is a good guy aswell, but idk man, I'm worried about his mental state sometimes.
***** You should look up what a pathological liar actually is. I mean, that gambling trick was just a really scumbag move to get some money or something. But that doesn't mean he's a pathological liar.
I feel like what Reynad was saying was true, one thing to add to that was that over the past few months Byron told Mitch a few secrets about like where he was going, things he bought people etc. And it seemed almost immediately Mitch spilled those secrets on Twitch, and when Byron wants Mitch to feel like he doesn't care about that stuff and still wants an open friendship, Mitch keeps secrets from him, even when confronted about those secrets Mitch lies. So from that perspective a lot of the aspects of the friendship seem really one-sided. Honestly if I told someone 3+ secrets and that guy spilled those secrets immediately to my entire workplace then after forgiving them for those incidents they get upset about me doing something similar once, then start to keep secrets from me, that would be a pretty clear sign the friendship isn't really worth it.
Tbh it feels like Reynad is far more intelligent than we give him credit for and Mitch is way dumber than we thought, and reckful is a bit of a sociopath/manic depressive
It all boils down to a normal "I'm sorry" from Mitch but instead he basicly always say then retract it through unreasonable arguments. Byron would be better without him.... as Forsen would said he's a F-ing Roleplayer.
I just learned who reckful and mitch are today, as well as their drama. This is the first video that's made any sense (Reynad's advice). Mitch needs to LISTEN.
Mitch is so worried about what he is going to say next that he is hardly listening to Reynad. I have a hard time conversing with people like that it.... feels like i can never get my point out without being sidetracked.
Basically Mitch fucked off with Mira for a bit and lied to Reckful about it, and Reckful got really pissed off. Of course this alot more complicated and theres more shit Mitch has done, but this is the general idea
Robotputty If I'm honest he 100% has a personality disorder. Whether that is Bi-polar or he's a bit of a sociopath I have no idea but like Reynad said he doesn't make many close friends. So letting someone into his life is a big deal to Reckful and by that person betraying him in the slightest way (multiple times) his perception of that person is completely devastated and he only remembers the bad shit they've done. Which I find reasonable for Reckful but not in other peoples minds. This is basically what I now understand about how Reckful reacts to shit and If I'm honest Mitch is way to inward thinking to realize it, I think tats what pisses Reckful off the most.
mitch keeps ignoring the fact that byron told mitch where he was going and who he was hanging out with and mitch straight up lied on his stream about it. Thats why byrons pissed
It's weird how he says "Oh byron brought it on stream" When mitch was literally in the chat telling Byron to call him, ON STREAM., Also did Reynad talk to Byron ?
its like he like says like you know like like... alot... like all the time like its good to like say like alot cus like, like is a good like fill in like word if you like cant like remember what it was like you were just about to like say... someone should count all the "likes" in this video
Isn't the actual issue that Reckful thought he was being fake about his friendship? That it looked like he wasn't his genuine friend... Loads of things that didn't add up for him. Got nothing to do with what ever Reynad is talking about lol
And why does Mitch not mention all the fucking shit he's spilled? OR the Birthday thing? That shit was fucked up, and that's exacty how you lose friends.
All mitch has to do is not say "What can I do to fix this, what can I do, WHAT CAN I DO!??!?!" Like a 6 year old. Just call reckful and say "Yo bro. I'm sorry I lied to you about going to see Mira. I know you kind of knew that I was still talking to her and tried to get me to say it and I swore that I was never seeing her again but I was fucked man. I was under the Mira spell and couldn't stop myself but at the same time I knew I was making a mistake so I didn't want to tell you guys." Then reckful will say something like "It's not only the Mira thing. It's all the other small things bla bla bla..." Then all mitch has to say is "I'm sorry for putting you on blast on stream man. I won't do that again. I didn't think of the consiquences and was acting childish." Then Reckful would apologize for being kind of a dick and they would be chilling.
ROFL, if Byron were to let Mitch explain any of this, he'd just say "ooh shit I was just trying to be funny dawg, you know me". That excuse is getting old.
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all that shit they said about byron is wrong btw its for other reasons, also i love when mitch says if he would have said dont tell anyone i wouldnt and he did everytime and he said it on purpose everytime as well as lying about neary everything else
Its a little bit of narcissism that Mitch has, he is incapable of feeling for, or understanding anyone's emotions other than his own. In other words, everything Mitch does and will do, is to benefit none other than himself, if there is no personal gain from what is asking to be done, then it simply does not happen. The only reason Mitch feels bad now is because it is affecting Mitch's personal life, you can see this when Reynad tries to explain how Reckful feels betrayed and hurt and Mitch still turns it into a conversation about him(Mitch) instead of checking himself and owning what he did, without an excuse attached to it. I am not hating on Mitch, it's just plain to see, maybe a little bit out of his control.
lol this is more of a reason why i wouldnt want to be close to mitch, just reassuring reckfuls decisions IMO. i mean they can be friends but not close ones lol
Sigh, cant these two grown ass men both apologize to eachother and move on? Both of you did bad things. Make up and move forward. And like Reynad said, Byron doesnt get close to ppl that easily, so hes extra sensitive. Mitch you might have to be the bigger person and take a hit and initiate the conversation and apologize first, even if you think that you are not entirely to blame. Its what a bigger person does. And Byron you need to understand what Mitch himself said, hes not the most decisive or smart person in the world, especially when it comes to relationships with other ppl. If he felt like he wanted to figure things out for himself for a couple of days before telling you it doesnt mean hes a liar, give a bro the space he needs sheesh. And Byron you also need to to chill abit when it comes to hating every liars guts, try to see it from the other person perspective, why did they lie? Was it because they are a bad person or was it because it was embarrassing/humiliating to admit to something? Anyway Mitch and Byron wont probably read this as its a couple of months too late and a random comment in a youtube vid. :p Sorry for the long comment.
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It's annoying that Reynad understands Byron better than Mitch does, Reynad trying to explain how Mitch's actions hurt him and why he's acting the way he does, but then Mitch tries to play the victim without taking in what Reynad is saying. "Turns out that Mitch Jones were David Jones all along" - Toez 2016.
Too late the Game of Jones must continue
It's easy to think straight when you're not the one that is getting attacked
It is pretty sad indeed.... it actually hurts how he plays the victim every time and he don't realise the bad things that has done
Toez is the last person you should mention. That dude leeches and is a straight snitch. Pathetic 'Yes'-man.
atleast mitch has his own opinion and doesnt count on hundreds of other ppl to tell him what to do
way better analysing skills than forsen
Well Forsen is very biased and he has a history of being unreasonable to fit his own views.
It's also because of language. Not saying Forsen isn't good at speaking english but I see how he often struggles to explain things correctly. His explanations are often very simple and can seem wrong because he fails to accurately describe what he actually means. I recognize it because I have the same problem since english isn't my first language and I rarely speak it.
fredde414 It has nothing to do with language, forsen got his point across clearly and there were no way to misinterpret what his view on it was.
Void Shrine In my opinion at least some of it has to do with language. Sure he got his point across but if he was better at speaking english and had a greater vocabulary he might sound more humble or would be able to explain it more detailed instead of going "if he had a button to press and it would ban him, he'd do it". As an example I won't be very good at debating anything (like politics for example) in english. Maybe if I was typing it'd be easier since I can review my text and correct mistakes but talking about it live it'd be easier to say "Hillary is a criminal!". So even if we didn't misinterpret what his view on it is, he could have done a better job explaining why he feels the way he does.
Reynad what a fucking god
Im going to be brutally honest, anyone in the twitch chat saying that this convo was "CRINGE" or "CRINGY", you really need to get outside more, this is a normal conversation friends would have and shouldn't make anyone cringe.
D3wwwD its either that or they're twelve years old and don't have anything better to do.
+D3wwwD I'm going to be brutally honest with you, if you think the twitch chat is serious and not full of trolls, you probably aren't that smart or get out to see that people joke
+D3wwwD but aren't you watching the same thing as they are? what makes you different? 😂😂
"What makes you different?" The fact he isn't spamming "CRINGE" or "CRINGY" in a twitch chat?
yea he didnt comment on people watching twitch lmao.. only on the fact that ppl call cringe on this convo
It's so obvious that Mira is convincing him that Byron was wrong.
Poor reynad, he had to listen to all that.
Even when Reynad is giving helpful advice, he still looks salty. Man, I love this kid.
Damn I didn't expect Reynad to be this smart, he is actually spot on here
He had no time to tell Byron because, you know, he makes up plans on the fly. ...Except he had time to ask his dad if it was okay for Mira to cut into their family visit he had planned for a long while.
...so..
Bees 1. It's not very classy to butt into a family event like that without notice. Pretty sure Mira did the same thing when Mitch showed up to Reck's in the first place so there's a pattern there. It's a powerplay emotionally. It says "Hey, Dad, I don't care so much about spending time with you, even though we made plans a long time ago, so I'm gonna bring my girl along instead. We cool?" And if the dad says no, it turns into the Dad being a bad guy instead of the person butting in.
2. He didn't dismiss the thought outright, which means he IS fine with tossing any plans he has aside for whatever she wants. This is why he's so conflicted right now. Shows how enamored with the chick he is. If they love each other equally that'd be great, but third parties had repeatedly (even Reynad the first night/morning Mira was there) said she's playing him. The issue is we don't have an obvious cause, but some folks just want attention... and we also know from livestreams Mira goes out of her way to make plans on 'what will the drama be about today?' for streams which both Mitch and Reckful thought was really bizarre.
3. If he had enough time to talk with his dad, he had more than enough time to tell Reck those very same plans. But he'd have to admit to seeing Mira on the side and withholding information. So Mitch opted to pop evasion and hope for the best without much looking at the logical conclusions. The longer it went on, the worse the blowout was gonna be. Toe might have actually mitigated a lot more fallout damage by stumbling into them when he did.
Not a huge fan of the noodle but he does sound like he knows what's up
i didnt like him either, but my view completely changed when the lea bullshit came in.
The whole point is that mitch is a pathological liar and also a sociopath and byron didn't realize it until just now. So it's understandable that he wants to stay away from mitch. I'd do the same.. How can you trust someone like that? If there's no trust, there cant be friendship. Mitch is EXTREMELY manipulative without even realizing it and he isnt bringing up the right issues to reynad. Props to reynads for being a bro and trying anyway.
You're seeing this situation completely wrong. Byron THINKS that Mitch is some kind of a liar who only does shit for views and whatever. But Byron is just being extremely paranoid about basically everything, almost schizophrenic. Like the shit with sodapoppin and crew, the shit with Luna, this with Mitch. He thinks everybody has a secret agenda and tries to fuck him over, or use him for views, while I think they're all just chillin. Like who hasn't gossiped about some semi-friends, or who hasn't accidently spilled something n shit. Mitch is just kind of a dumb idiot, but seems like a genuinly, good guy. Byron even always talked about how happy Mitch made him and how he liked to chill with him all the time. Byron is a good guy aswell, but idk man, I'm worried about his mental state sometimes.
*****
You should look up what a pathological liar actually is. I mean, that gambling trick was just a really scumbag move to get some money or something. But that doesn't mean he's a pathological liar.
+Kismo FTW You don't know what sociopath means.
They weren't actually playing for money. They kept playing until the takeaway was 0$ for both.
@@Jesusarosssooo what about now 😂
I can't be the only one who was way more captivated by the gameplay. That arcane golem
mitch only went on this stream and thought this guy would be on his side and you can tell he was getting mad when he wasn't lol
noodle, u r a beast
"You know what I mean? You know what I mean? You know what I mean? You know what I mean? You know what I mean? "
i dont know man, i dont know, you know what i mean ?
Mitch is a "nice guy" he would rather lie than tell the truth because he fears disappointing people. "Nice guys" are never really nice.
There's some truth in that
cursed blade triggered me
Raynad is like the big brother of twitch!
I feel like what Reynad was saying was true, one thing to add to that was that over the past few months Byron told Mitch a few secrets about like where he was going, things he bought people etc. And it seemed almost immediately Mitch spilled those secrets on Twitch, and when Byron wants Mitch to feel like he doesn't care about that stuff and still wants an open friendship, Mitch keeps secrets from him, even when confronted about those secrets Mitch lies. So from that perspective a lot of the aspects of the friendship seem really one-sided.
Honestly if I told someone 3+ secrets and that guy spilled those secrets immediately to my entire workplace then after forgiving them for those incidents they get upset about me doing something similar once, then start to keep secrets from me, that would be a pretty clear sign the friendship isn't really worth it.
Tbh it feels like Reynad is far more intelligent than we give him credit for and Mitch is way dumber than we thought, and reckful is a bit of a sociopath/manic depressive
might sound incongruously but where can i find the warry deck?
This video actually explains what happened, wierd how you need Reynad to tell whats going on...
Wait, wait, wait... Mitch gave Byron a brojob? Bros before miranahos
mitch cant wrap his head around empathy, he doesnt have any
Which vod is it that reckful said this stuff?
It all boils down to a normal "I'm sorry" from Mitch but instead he basicly always say then retract it through unreasonable arguments. Byron would be better without him.... as Forsen would said he's a F-ing Roleplayer.
I just learned who reckful and mitch are today, as well as their drama. This is the first video that's made any sense (Reynad's advice). Mitch needs to LISTEN.
Is this the noodle warrior deck he showed on a vídeo a while ago? If not can anyone link the deck to me? Seems pretty fucking cancer tbh, I love it.
Mitch is so worried about what he is going to say next that he is hardly listening to Reynad. I have a hard time conversing with people like that it.... feels like i can never get my point out without being sidetracked.
Can someone please explain the premise of this, idk wtf is going on
theres nothing to explain since this shit is made up to generate more money thru viewers and donations
Basically Mitch fucked off with Mira for a bit and lied to Reckful about it, and Reckful got really pissed off. Of course this alot more complicated and theres more shit Mitch has done, but this is the general idea
Biggs why exactly would Reckful get pissed at that?
+Robert Biggs Thanks
Robotputty If I'm honest he 100% has a personality disorder. Whether that is Bi-polar or he's a bit of a sociopath I have no idea but like Reynad said he doesn't make many close friends. So letting someone into his life is a big deal to Reckful and by that person betraying him in the slightest way (multiple times) his perception of that person is completely devastated and he only remembers the bad shit they've done. Which I find reasonable for Reckful but not in other peoples minds. This is basically what I now understand about how Reckful reacts to shit and If I'm honest Mitch is way to inward thinking to realize it, I think tats what pisses Reckful off the most.
wouldnt frost giant make more sense for this
frost giant would take way long to get 0 cost..
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mitch keeps ignoring the fact that byron told mitch where he was going and who he was hanging out with and mitch straight up lied on his stream about it. Thats why byrons pissed
"i try and keep stuff in my life private", yet he tells everyone Byron's private stuff. smh
It's weird how he says "Oh byron brought it on stream" When mitch was literally in the chat telling Byron to call him, ON STREAM., Also did Reynad talk to Byron ?
noodle understands mitch and byron better than mitch and byron
Did Reynard ever talk to Byron?
Reynad = The Mira expert!
its like he like says like you know like like... alot... like all the time like its good to like say like alot cus like, like is a good like fill in like word if you like cant like remember what it was like you were just about to like say... someone should count all the "likes" in this video
Isn't the actual issue that Reckful thought he was being fake about his friendship? That it looked like he wasn't his genuine friend... Loads of things that didn't add up for him. Got nothing to do with what ever Reynad is talking about lol
And why does Mitch not mention all the fucking shit he's spilled? OR the Birthday thing? That shit was fucked up, and that's exacty how you lose friends.
All mitch has to do is not say "What can I do to fix this, what can I do, WHAT CAN I DO!??!?!" Like a 6 year old. Just call reckful and say "Yo bro. I'm sorry I lied to you about going to see Mira. I know you kind of knew that I was still talking to her and tried to get me to say it and I swore that I was never seeing her again but I was fucked man. I was under the Mira spell and couldn't stop myself but at the same time I knew I was making a mistake so I didn't want to tell you guys." Then reckful will say something like "It's not only the Mira thing. It's all the other small things bla bla bla..." Then all mitch has to say is "I'm sorry for putting you on blast on stream man. I won't do that again. I didn't think of the consiquences and was acting childish." Then Reckful would apologize for being kind of a dick and they would be chilling.
ROFL, if Byron were to let Mitch explain any of this, he'd just say "ooh shit I was just trying to be funny dawg, you know me".
That excuse is getting old.
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cringe....
Dr.Phillnad 💯
all that shit they said about byron is wrong btw its for other reasons, also i love when mitch says if he would have said dont tell anyone i wouldnt and he did everytime and he said it on purpose everytime as well as lying about neary everything else
this dude knows more about byron but mitch is claiming to be his friend... ya okay
Reynad crew.
Its a little bit of narcissism that Mitch has, he is incapable of feeling for, or understanding anyone's emotions other than his own. In other words, everything Mitch does and will do, is to benefit none other than himself, if there is no personal gain from what is asking to be done, then it simply does not happen. The only reason Mitch feels bad now is because it is affecting Mitch's personal life, you can see this when Reynad tries to explain how Reckful feels betrayed and hurt and Mitch still turns it into a conversation about him(Mitch) instead of checking himself and owning what he did, without an excuse attached to it. I am not hating on Mitch, it's just plain to see, maybe a little bit out of his control.
Basically Byron is a little 4 year old who needs his daddy friend
Dr phil
Mitch always playing the victim, gotta love it
PAUSE PAUSE PAUSE BIG FELLA
mitch doesn't understand at all! Even when someone who is trying to be unbiased is explaining it to him.
Tuck Fwitch drama
lol this is more of a reason why i wouldnt want to be close to mitch, just reassuring reckfuls decisions IMO. i mean they can be friends but not close ones lol
all of this Twitch drama is scripted; more so with Hearthstone stuff, but there's crossover
Sigh, cant these two grown ass men both apologize to eachother and move on? Both of you did bad things. Make up and move forward.
And like Reynad said, Byron doesnt get close to ppl that easily, so hes extra sensitive. Mitch you might have to be the bigger person and take a hit and initiate the conversation and apologize first, even if you think that you are not entirely to blame. Its what a bigger person does.
And Byron you need to understand what Mitch himself said, hes not the most decisive or smart person in the world, especially when it comes to relationships with other ppl. If he felt like he wanted to figure things out for himself for a couple of days before telling you it doesnt mean hes a liar, give a bro the space he needs sheesh.
And Byron you also need to to chill abit when it comes to hating every liars guts, try to see it from the other person perspective, why did they lie? Was it because they are a bad person or was it because it was embarrassing/humiliating to admit to something?
Anyway Mitch and Byron wont probably read this as its a couple of months too late and a random comment in a youtube vid. :p Sorry for the long comment.
Reynad why give mitch any credit for his billshit? you eating it up too?
LOL ELEMENTARY SCHOOL DRAMA 4Head
Old drama now they've both kissed and made up typical twitch drama
fuck this bullshit!! BYRON FOR PRESIDENT!! VOTE BYRON!! MAKE JEWS GREAT AGAIN!
mich is in the wrong reckful is right!
The way reckful is he will die alone if he doesnt change... two face jew
ROFL wtf ... "Smoking weed and the principal is going to catch you" Is Mitch 13yrs old or what?! And the victim card?! UGH I hate millennials so much
So much garbage drama.
Playing victim in 2016 LUL
gayyyyyy