What's missing in this documentary are mention of Adrian Belew, Robert Fripp, Carlos Alomar, Dennis Davies, and George Murray - the great musicians that made the Berlin Trilogy.
@@spookybabayes he is mentioned briefly, but Bowie's main rhythm section for the Berlin Trilogy through Scary Monsters and Lodger's guitarist Adrian Belew or long time Bowie collaborator and arranger Carlos Alomar are not even mentioned and without those musicians none of that work would be the masterpieces they are.
Yeah good points..carlos had a lot to say about bowie after his death and said it plenty to plenty of people on the record, ifelt he was arrogant and dismissive of bowie and therefor Iam pleased hes not name checked here...although I dont same about others you mentioned as they should be namechecked..fripp and eno always get namechecked..me thinks it may be legally binding that they do lol
Bowie had no creative equal in the 1970s. From Space Oddity to Scary Monsters he owned the Seventies . Breathtaking brilliance at the speed of Light. I miss the man.
I met David in the 90s in Melbourne. He was charming, with a great sense of humour. I learnt a lot from him. One of my musical family members. Deeply loved and missed. ✌🏽❤️💛🖤🎶🇦🇺
@@michaelmanger8640 Yes his sense of humour always came thru in his interviews, often a kind of self deprecating sense of humour, he had no problem laughing at himself.
This was the Bowie I was introduced to---as a young kid watching MTV in 1981-82, as his Berlin-era videos were all over MTV at the time. I didn't know anything about what he did before 1977, and how he had already morphed 3 or 4 times before he got to Heroes. But it was enough to get my 10 year old self intrigued
The best way to describe Low is as the album that Bowie's character made in Man Who Fell To Earth(the cover is a bit of a clue). In that movie he tells another character "I didn't make it for you". It challenged every listener to expand their horizons and leave their comfort zone.
Nobody mentions how Lodger's Fantastic Voyage and Boys Keep Swinging are the same song, with just different melodies laid over the exact same chord progression. Clever, but very cheeky. Lodger is a great album, in my opinion.
Our daughter Les and her cousin Adam would say to each other, “just you shut your mouth.” That song lyrically is over the top! Not to mention the epic mood.
Terrific documentary . . . more of a discussion / academic critique, really, but insightful. I enjoyed the follow-up tour a lot, there were about 40,000 in the Western Springs Concert in Auckland, Adrian Belew was in the band and played Robert's parts in "Heroes", which was excellent live. Thank you, Mr. Jones!
Brilliant documentary - lots of disparate views and great insights on the influence... no one really says it, but surely a big inspiration for post-punk
Pop Siouxsie,Toyah and Bauhaus definitely but who else? Curtis loved Doors, Bunnymen liked Velvet Underground/Stones, Scott Walker etc.. Cure? The Brit pops were more influenced by Bowie imho.
Belew defined the live versions of the material, but that isn't what the documentary is about. Tony Visconti was the most important part of those albums next to Bowie and I am glad that you took the time to make that clear. I know who the band was, thanks for telling me things that I didn't know instead.
I think this is a very interesting time period in Bowie's life, but I always find the concept of "Berlin Trilogy" as a misnomer. Low was mostly recorded in France, and Lodger was recorded entirely in Switzerland and New York. Low and Heroes are among the best Bowie albums and they are very closely related. They are like two versions of the same album, musically and also they way they are set up with side 1 and 2. Lodger is very different and I think very weak and uneven musically. I only like 2 tracks on the album and when I had it, I never really listened to it because it was not enjoyable as an album. I think Iggy's albums The Idiot and Lust For Life are really more related to Low and Heroes than Lodger. Personally, I think Bowie's best albums after Heroes were Scary Monsters (hugely more enjoyable than Lodger, and I think more similar to Low and Heroes), and also Outside (which they strangely panned in this video). Let's Dance had some good songs for sure, but lacked the depth of these other albums. I agree that there should have been more mention of Davis, Murray, Alomar and Belew, although I don't think Belew's work with Bowie was memorable, it was better elsewhere.
Diamond Dogs is my bowie masterpiece...as much as i love Mick Ronson i felt Bowies guitar playing on that album was a complete forward step in that area, but the vocals far exceed anything he did up to that point for me, the melody and middle section of big brother is beyond this realm of reality ...also i think that Gail was the best move Bowie ever made in his career, everything she did with hi. Just improved the live sound and they loved each other for real...moving on isnt always easy in music but some things are just meant to be, ronno was the reason that people like me wanted to play electric guitar..he was the catalyst for bowies success i believe ..but bowie should have had him playing in live setups through the years..but i will never understand why he didnt do it..but anyways its Diamond Dogs all the way for me❤❤ RIP BOWIE AND RONNO XX
Oooh, I don't think"Outside" is overblown at all. It's not too long and not too complicated. It's just an excellent piece of experimental music. Well, if you see it from the perspective of a rock or pop audience, then maybe. But "Outside" is a record for his avantgarde fans. For me it is one of Bowie's absolute masterpieces, and among my top 3 Bowie favourites and one of his most essential records.
Great documentary, I'm guessing that royalty issues prevented you from including the clip in Man Who Fell To Earth where Bowie's character made an album and tells Rip Torn's character "I didn't make it for you". I always saw Low as that Newton album and felt that the cover was confirmation, even if I did feel like he made it for me.
my fave part of story not included in Fripp return was that he was digging a latrine for the commune when they called... having done the same chore- would happily tripped off to Berlin to play guitar (though no way as skilled as Fripp) ... and showing up on a Crosby special guaranteed massive sales... he would have loved the jarring contrast, and his management would have loved the prospects of back-catalogue movement... and it happened because Crosby asked his kids who was "hip" and Bowie's name popped up. they were actual physical neighbours, so Crosby just thought he was the elegant Brit, not the depraved drug addict,... heh... my fave Bowie is Scary Monsters, which could not have happened without the Berlin Trilogy...
@@TheOldHacker awesome. though I have seen him discussing the latrine story elsewhere. first heard it in the 90's. a chance to go exploring to find the blurb
In 20 years, people will be referring to 1.OUTSIDE in the same reverential tones as the BERLIN trilogy. He's always ahead of his critics and contemporaries, and the future will bear this out.
The Ray Of Light comparison was just ironic. William Orbit really did play the central role on that album that people assumed Eno had on Low. It came out when Madonna was THE diva and attaching the genius label was a duty. Low came out when Bowie was being called a stuck up Nazi coke head.
Did Fripp come back permanently after Heroes? Because he was great on Bowie stuff in the 80's as well. I think that was him on 'Teenage Wildlife'. Another massive song with a massive solo/riff. And then 'Tin Machine'.
the only good stuff Bowie did in the '80 was the scary album, loving the alien and the "very short and "risky "tin machine" period end '80, beside that : big shit !
I think part of Eno being over credited on Low is that as a college stoner in 1977 the first side didn't exist and the second side was flat out mystical. You credited Eno, bought Another Green World, and figured that you got it right.
Comparing Madonna's Ray Of Light to Low is as ironic as it is ridiculous. William Orbit really did have the primary role on Ray Of Light that people assumed that Eno had on Low. The creative process started with grooves from Orbit and Madonna added lyrics and some of the melodies. Ray Of Light came out when Madonna was THE diva and the media felt that it was their duty to call her a genius. Bowie was called a genius for doing Low when the media saw him as a stuck up Nazi cokehead.
Dismiss Lodger? What is he nuts. While Liw and Heroes have some good listening on them. Lodger is my favorite of the Berlin years. Iggy’s The Idiot is a very good overall album.
Honestly, I didn't really care for The Man Who Fell To Earth, I thought was boring and pretty bad. Bowie was great in Twin Peaks Fire Walk With Me though, even though it was a small part, it's really crucial to the whole story of Twin Peaks, and there's more of him in the 'missing pieces' special edition.
What Bowie had done conceptually with "Low" and "Heroes" was certainly not new. Whether Bowie knew it or not, Todd Rundgren had been doing the same thing with his albums for years---one side-more accessible music, and the second side---an experimental dreamland. The most famous example for Rundgren was his 1975 album "Initiation". But Bowie wasn't breaking any new ground. It had been done before
Bowie’s offering was its own thing. Even if splitting an album with innovative/ less hit oriented on side B came before him. Which it did-all the way back to R & B albums…but R & B is not Lundgren is not Bowie…so an odd and incomplete point to offer.
@@taddallman-morton6796Bowie's business aknowledge, a double lp with the instrumental themes of each album, and it would have been a cult album ourdays, but unheard at the time.
It's been done to absolute death. It's a frail, wistful track that's had too much importance hung on it. It was never a hit exactly, and it was important as a period piece to mark the Berlin wall coming down, but dang.
So you decided to turn everything into an academic exercise? As if some crooks sat together with Bowie, and decided to crack the mysterious code, and run away with the millions. You don't really enjoy the music, but operate with a surgical scalpel, how the "business" succeeded for him, and how he always guessed where the wind was blowing. David worked with his stomach and not his head, which is why his records will always have a refreshing aroma and not the smell of formalin.
Very poor. Some of the people who were constantly appearing with their 'FACTS' were speaking utter crap most of the time. Especially the bloke in the yellow Fred Perry and the Coloured bloke. Avoid this documentary. Long winded and not even to the point.
The condition of our world today, it is the result of the conclusion in this "Man who fell.." movie. He became regulated and powerless, all his ideas were in vain, but at least he had money to afford a cozy life. The chaos comes from regulating ingenious people to death.
"...albums like "Low", "Heroes" and "Lodger"... Huh? Not so much "like", as "precisely these three records [sometimes described as the Berlin trilogy]." Anyway, I think the three are part of a larger musical chapter, David Bowie's best, which started with "Pin Ups" in late 1973, then "Diamond Dogs", "Young Americans" and "Station to Station". Scene-shift to Berlin, knock the coke on the head (been there, done that), keep rocking out with great musicians, while Iggy Pop bounces around like a puppy. "Scary Monsters"? Is that part of the chapter? Hard to say.
I like everything from space oddity up to scary monsters the best. I have always meant to familiarize myself with his later stuff, but just have not gotten into it yet. Bowie changed my life in the sense of learning more about art, music, and expression.
@@williamolsen20 thanks for sharing that. I kind of stopped listening after Let’s Dance, other music and life generally got in the way. I still listen to what I think of as his golden years, 70-80, with the albums I mentioned before top of the list. Pin Ups I really like, back to his roots, back to basics; the albums that followed mapped out a really interesting journey.
@@zandel_zandel Thanks for the comment. How nice you should mention the B52s. Apart from the early singles (and Love Shack of course) most of their material was new to me until recently. Now I rate them, in terms of musicality and invention and 'joy provision', right up there with my favourite late 70s-/80s-onwards artists. I really should give Let's Dance another try. No time like the present! Have a great day.
Um, no, David Bowie was not the biggest pop star in the world in the 1970s. Not even close! What a strange statement to make. I'm not even sure he was the biggest pop star in England in the 1970s. Elton John was a much bigger star than David Bowie. Also Freddie Mercury? Stevie Wonder? I could go on.
The "world" is not NYC, squire. Absolutely Bowie was one of the biggest pop stars in the 1970s. As for Freddie Mercury - he was not a 1970s solo artist, he was with a band called "Queen" (!). And, Stevie Wonder? Get real?!
People in America just don't realize how popular Bowie was in the UK. He was almost like Elvis Presley over there! I've known this fact for a long time!
@Irn etc - No, don't go on. The drivel you have let run down your chin is quite enough for one video. Go home and lie down in a dark room and listen to Low - from the universe's biggest pop star.
Bowie borrows to Neu and Krafwerk for their creativity, modernity and European sound and vision. Nothing to do with american. Punks revolution were inspired by Neu and Kraftwerk and Bowie and enriched the world of music for decades. The same with hip hop that has stolen everything from them and sampling but made music poor.
Kinda mediocre doc. Great to see Mobius in there and the mention of Conny Plank but no mention of Alomar? Not enough emphasis on Tony Visconti who produced the three LPs. Still any vid better than no vid. Cheers
Ok, the guy in the yellow shirt loses any and all credibility when he calls black and blue a "piss poor album", and says Zeppelin were finished by then (76).
Keep in mind, this was a British perspective. The UK had already ceded Zeppelin to America and wanted nothing more to do with them, so in their minds---they were done. Funny enough, I'd never heard "Stairway to Heaven" being played more on the radio than in 1976, thanks in part, to the release of the tour film, "Song Remains the Same", which kept that song fresh in the minds of millions of Americans
@@impalaman9707 I suppose that's true I wasn't thinking about the huge difference in feeling for Zeppelin between the English and the US. He's still wrong about the stone's album though 😎
@@LaughingStock_ yeah Black and Blue may not have sold as well as the other Stones albums from the 70s, but it's got some good tunes on it and probably some of their best playing together as a band since sticky fingers even though it was Ron Wood's first album with them. Actually that being said he didn't even play on every song now that I think of it, they had Harvey Mandell on " hot stuff", and I think two other guys besides Ronnie on some of the other tracks. I heard either Mick or Keith in some interview refer to it as their "guitarist auditions" album...lol
you poo pooed that later albumn while playing hello spaceboy one of his most iconic later songs that i dont know anyone fan or not if you throw that on in a party the place erupts like no other song
What is this selfishly-claimed ''expert'' in the yellow shirt, Paolo Hewitt, babbling about? Anything he says is his own projection and judgmental exercises to let us only know what state he, himself, is in. Has nothing to do with Bowie, his life or what is being talked about. Those kinds of professional analyst ''experts'' are there because they put themselves there,,with nothing positive to say. None of us want his petty opinions! Other than that, good period and a good doc !
Sorry, definitely quite a dull era for me, the ambient material is quite thin compared to modern ambient music, Heroes the track is way too long, first three minutes beautiful, descends into a plodding dirge. Much prefer Diamond Dogs, Man Who Sold The World and Hunky Dory. Each to their own I suppose, all subjective, bits of the Berlin LPs flashes of brilliance - but most of this period is dull, even the artwork is grim. 🤷🏼♂️ 🤫
yeah i have heard Bowie was notoriously tight fisted when it came to paying musicians decent wages - not sure if thats true or not but i do remember going to see his Lets Dance tour and was all hyped to see the then unknown Stevie Ray Vaughn on guitar only to find that Vaughn was a last minute cut for the band as him and BOwie had differences over tour pay. Carlos Alomar was drafted in to play at the last minute.
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What's missing in this documentary are mention of Adrian Belew, Robert Fripp, Carlos Alomar, Dennis Davies, and George Murray - the great musicians that made the Berlin Trilogy.
Fripp is mentioned. Did you miss that part?
@@spookybabayes he is mentioned briefly, but Bowie's main rhythm section for the Berlin Trilogy through Scary Monsters and Lodger's guitarist Adrian Belew or long time Bowie collaborator and arranger Carlos Alomar are not even mentioned and without those musicians none of that work would be the masterpieces they are.
Yeah good points..carlos had a lot to say about bowie after his death and said it plenty to plenty of people on the record, ifelt he was arrogant and dismissive of bowie and therefor Iam pleased hes not name checked here...although I dont same about others you mentioned as they should be namechecked..fripp and eno always get namechecked..me thinks it may be legally binding that they do lol
true very true
Fact check: "David Bowie guitarist" Google=Mick Ronson
Bowie had no creative equal in the 1970s. From Space Oddity to Scary Monsters he owned the Seventies . Breathtaking brilliance at the speed of Light. I miss the man.
I would just say he has no creative equal
A true chameleon. Genius. Absolute Genius.
I'd say 3 out of his 4 last albums are classics too. Genius indeed.
I met David in the 90s in Melbourne. He was charming, with a great sense of humour. I learnt a lot from him. One of my musical family members. Deeply loved and missed. ✌🏽❤️💛🖤🎶🇦🇺
@@michaelmanger8640 Yes his sense of humour always came thru in his interviews, often a kind of self deprecating sense of humour, he had no problem laughing at himself.
This was the Bowie I was introduced to---as a young kid watching MTV in 1981-82, as his Berlin-era videos were all over MTV at the time. I didn't know anything about what he did before 1977, and how he had already morphed 3 or 4 times before he got to Heroes. But it was enough to get my 10 year old self intrigued
'Lodger' is my favourite album by my favourite musician.
Yeah! It's an amazing album, however cheeky and clever.
Love that' and Adrian Belews on it.
Same
I wish Adrien Belew would be asked to give input in these docos; he is very approachable.
It's also my Favorite
LOW is Bowie's masterpiece.
The best way to describe Low is as the album that Bowie's character made in Man Who Fell To Earth(the cover is a bit of a clue). In that movie he tells another character "I didn't make it for you". It challenged every listener to expand their horizons and leave their comfort zone.
What a great documentary, thank you! Particularly enjoyed the references to other tracks, i.e. Blur etc
Nobody mentions how Lodger's Fantastic Voyage and Boys Keep Swinging are the same song, with just different melodies laid over the exact same chord progression. Clever, but very cheeky. Lodger is a great album, in my opinion.
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yeh Lodger is a great album
That's right. Also, 'Red Money' is exactly the same song as 'Sister Midnight' from Iggy's solo debut LP, co-written by Bowie.
I would call "Station to Station" a "transitional" album--and the most perfect example of a "transitional" album if I ever heard one
Our daughter Les and her cousin Adam would say to each other, “just you shut your mouth.”
That song lyrically is over the top!
Not to mention the epic mood.
Iggy for Prez!
Bowie was his Secretary of State.
I can't believe how they're talking down about Lodger. It's my favorite of the three and I don't hear any going-backwards vibe.
Terrific documentary . . . more of a discussion / academic critique, really, but insightful. I enjoyed the follow-up tour a lot, there were about 40,000 in the Western Springs Concert in Auckland, Adrian Belew was in the band and played Robert's parts in "Heroes", which was excellent live. Thank you, Mr. Jones!
Brilliant documentary - lots of disparate views and great insights on the influence... no one really says it, but surely a big inspiration for post-punk
Pop Siouxsie,Toyah and Bauhaus definitely but who else?
Curtis loved Doors, Bunnymen liked Velvet Underground/Stones, Scott Walker etc..
Cure?
The Brit pops were more influenced by Bowie imho.
@@jamiecartwright5469 Joy Division's initial name has been 'Warszawa", named after the Bowie song, whom Curtis was a declared fan of.
Belew defined the live versions of the material, but that isn't what the documentary is about. Tony Visconti was the most important part of those albums next to Bowie and I am glad that you took the time to make that clear. I know who the band was, thanks for telling me things that I didn't know instead.
Thanks for this documentary. Fascinating❤❤
Bowie was GREAT in MERRY CHRISTMAS MR. LAWRENCE and in THE HUNGER!
“No ice” from the hunger =]
Critics just f it up all the time, don't they?
I thought he was quite fun as a hitman in Into the Night as well
His appearance in Zoolander was his best role
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Don't be silly
I think this is a very interesting time period in Bowie's life, but I always find the concept of "Berlin Trilogy" as a misnomer. Low was mostly recorded in France, and Lodger was recorded entirely in Switzerland and New York. Low and Heroes are among the best Bowie albums and they are very closely related. They are like two versions of the same album, musically and also they way they are set up with side 1 and 2. Lodger is very different and I think very weak and uneven musically. I only like 2 tracks on the album and when I had it, I never really listened to it because it was not enjoyable as an album. I think Iggy's albums The Idiot and Lust For Life are really more related to Low and Heroes than Lodger. Personally, I think Bowie's best albums after Heroes were Scary Monsters (hugely more enjoyable than Lodger, and I think more similar to Low and Heroes), and also Outside (which they strangely panned in this video). Let's Dance had some good songs for sure, but lacked the depth of these other albums. I agree that there should have been more mention of Davis, Murray, Alomar and Belew, although I don't think Belew's work with Bowie was memorable, it was better elsewhere.
TVC15 would have fit nicely on Heroes. Golden Years, rendered more obliquely, might have worked on side 1 of Low.
Diamond Dogs is my bowie masterpiece...as much as i love Mick Ronson i felt Bowies guitar playing on that album was a complete forward step in that area, but the vocals far exceed anything he did up to that point for me, the melody and middle section of big brother is beyond this realm of reality ...also i think that Gail was the best move Bowie ever made in his career, everything she did with hi. Just improved the live sound and they loved each other for real...moving on isnt always easy in music but some things are just meant to be, ronno was the reason that people like me wanted to play electric guitar..he was the catalyst for bowies success i believe ..but bowie should have had him playing in live setups through the years..but i will never understand why he didnt do it..but anyways its Diamond Dogs all the way for me❤❤ RIP BOWIE AND RONNO XX
Agree about Diamond Dogs.
Oooh, I don't think"Outside" is overblown at all. It's not too long and not too complicated. It's just an excellent piece of experimental music. Well, if you see it from the perspective of a rock or pop audience, then maybe. But "Outside" is a record for his avantgarde fans. For me it is one of Bowie's absolute masterpieces, and among my top 3 Bowie favourites and one of his most essential records.
all the same
Low my favorite album !!!!
Side 1 of Heroes is the best side-of-vinyl in the Bowie catalogue.
"I've got believers" 💜
Yes
This commentator got it wrong. Bowie was not a manipulator but an innovator 2nd to none.
Great documentary, I'm guessing that royalty issues prevented you from including the clip in Man Who Fell To Earth where Bowie's character made an album and tells Rip Torn's character "I didn't make it for you". I always saw Low as that Newton album and felt that the cover was confirmation, even if I did feel like he made it for me.
Classic Bolivian-fuelled sniff at 3:08. No wonder he felt a bit uneasy.
The man was a genius.
RIP ANGEL 😇 Thank you very much GOD bless Everyone Always Philadelphia USA 🇺🇸
It's crazy that Visconti didn't like Be My Wife. It's so brazen, odd, and yet catchy
my fave part of story not included in Fripp return was that he was digging a latrine for the commune when they called... having done the same chore- would happily tripped off to Berlin to play guitar (though no way as skilled as Fripp) ... and showing up on a Crosby special guaranteed massive sales... he would have loved the jarring contrast, and his management would have loved the prospects of back-catalogue movement... and it happened because Crosby asked his kids who was "hip" and Bowie's name popped up. they were actual physical neighbours, so Crosby just thought he was the elegant Brit, not the depraved drug addict,... heh... my fave Bowie is Scary Monsters, which could not have happened without the Berlin Trilogy...
Fripp was in his apartment in New York when the call came. As he says quite clearly in this clip:
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@@TheOldHacker awesome. though I have seen him discussing the latrine story elsewhere. first heard it in the 90's. a chance to go exploring to find the blurb
In 20 years, people will be referring to 1.OUTSIDE in the same reverential tones as the BERLIN trilogy. He's always ahead of his critics and contemporaries, and the future will bear this out.
alike
I love Belew to bits, make no mistake, but Lodger would have been (even) better if Bowie had brought Fripp in for lead guitar duties.
"The Man who fell to Earth"is an great film .
The Ray Of Light comparison was just ironic. William Orbit really did play the central role on that album that people assumed Eno had on Low. It came out when Madonna was THE diva and attaching the genius label was a duty. Low came out when Bowie was being called a stuck up Nazi coke head.
Did Fripp come back permanently after Heroes? Because he was great on Bowie stuff in the 80's as well. I think that was him on 'Teenage Wildlife'. Another massive song with a massive solo/riff. And then 'Tin Machine'.
the only good stuff Bowie did in the '80 was the scary album, loving the alien and the "very short and "risky "tin machine" period end '80, beside that : big shit !
I think part of Eno being over credited on Low is that as a college stoner in 1977 the first side didn't exist and the second side was flat out mystical. You credited Eno, bought Another Green World, and figured that you got it right.
Lodger.....The Top .
Awesome thanks heaps
I hope heaps appreciated it.
In the mid to late 60’s everyone was following Dylan, in 1972 to the early 80’s everyone was following Bowie.
If I'd been around in the 60s, I'd have followed Bowie way more than Dylan. I LOVE his 60s music!
He also cowrote and produced 5 Iggy albums; RAW power, Idiot, Lust4Life, Soldier, and Blah Blah Blah.
Eno's influence, through his own albums, may have affected Bowie's musical musings prior to them collaborating.
Comparing Madonna's Ray Of Light to Low is as ironic as it is ridiculous. William Orbit really did have the primary role on Ray Of Light that people assumed that Eno had on Low. The creative process started with grooves from Orbit and Madonna added lyrics and some of the melodies. Ray Of Light came out when Madonna was THE diva and the media felt that it was their duty to call her a genius. Bowie was called a genius for doing Low when the media saw him as a stuck up Nazi cokehead.
Dismiss Lodger? What is he nuts. While Liw and Heroes have some good listening on them. Lodger is my favorite of the Berlin years. Iggy’s The Idiot is a very good overall album.
Judge an LP not by the masterful tracks, but by the filler. Lodger has way too much filler.
@@LaughingStock_ I disagree. Lodger has good songs that I like. The other two have way more filler.
Genius!
Bowie's "Low" and Madonna's "Ray of Light" equivalent? Gimme a break. "Low" is a classic.
ray of light is an incredible record
I was thinking the same, what utter nonsense. To be fair "Ray of Light" is the only Madonna album I can stand, but to compare it to Low is laughable.
It was a valid point, Orbit was Madonna’s Eno.
@SingaporeSkaterSam Maybe, but it is still a fairly straightforward pop album
@@ivankaramasov Like comparing a Rembrandt to a velvet Elvis painting.
They don't mention that Lodger is a World music album
i'd have loved to hear what he would have done with Michael Rother and other German musicians, but he made great music without them in any case.
But why is it "The Berlin trilogy" when most of the music was not recorded in Berlin.
Honestly, I didn't really care for The Man Who Fell To Earth, I thought was boring and pretty bad. Bowie was great in Twin Peaks Fire Walk With Me though, even though it was a small part, it's really crucial to the whole story of Twin Peaks, and there's more of him in the 'missing pieces' special edition.
What Bowie had done conceptually with "Low" and "Heroes" was certainly not new. Whether Bowie knew it or not, Todd Rundgren had been doing the same thing with his albums for years---one side-more accessible music, and the second side---an experimental dreamland. The most famous example for Rundgren was his 1975 album "Initiation". But Bowie wasn't breaking any new ground. It had been done before
Bowie’s offering was its own thing. Even if splitting an album with innovative/ less hit oriented on side B came before him. Which it did-all the way back to R & B albums…but R & B is not Lundgren is not Bowie…so an odd and incomplete point to offer.
@@taddallman-morton6796 I put them both in realm of prog. Todd even touched on glam---so glam-prog?
@@impalaman9707 my point was it’s apples and oranges. Lundgren, Bowie and R &B are each their own fruit.
@@taddallman-morton6796Bowie's business aknowledge, a double lp with the instrumental themes of each album, and it would have been a cult album ourdays, but unheard at the time.
I never want to hear that title track Heros ever again.
It's been done to absolute death. It's a frail, wistful track that's had too much importance hung on it. It was never a hit exactly, and it was important as a period piece to mark the Berlin wall coming down, but dang.
How romantic U both sound !
12:03 he did wave 😕😕
Idk ,, I like the song heros , I'm a huge bowie fan. But nothings better than ziggy, and mick ronson
pfffff, but still easier to hear than those "let's dance" shitty new fans
Of Course and Eno
So you decided to turn everything into an academic exercise? As if some crooks sat together with Bowie, and decided to crack the mysterious code, and run away with the millions. You don't really enjoy the music, but operate with a surgical scalpel, how the "business" succeeded for him, and how he always guessed where the wind was blowing. David worked with his stomach and not his head, which is why his records will always have a refreshing aroma and not the smell of formalin.
Not Paulo Hewitt again :(
Eno period @1:00
Who's the mouth in the yellow track suit?
Very poor. Some of the people who were constantly appearing with their 'FACTS' were speaking utter crap most of the time. Especially the bloke in the yellow Fred Perry and the Coloured bloke. Avoid this documentary. Long winded and not even to the point.
Actually it leaves out lots of information and people .
The condition of our world today, it is the result of the conclusion in this "Man who fell.." movie. He became regulated and powerless, all his ideas were in vain, but at least he had money to afford a cozy life.
The chaos comes from regulating ingenious people to death.
a sort of Elon Musk coming from Mars, maybe?
Between the understanding of various references, we find nothing of note in the above commentary.
No mention of labyrinth??? Aint much of a list
I'm The Next David Bowie.
@@diocletianrecords1089 that’s very good. Get in line.
Nice one
"...albums like "Low", "Heroes" and "Lodger"... Huh? Not so much "like", as "precisely these three records [sometimes described as the Berlin trilogy]." Anyway, I think the three are part of a larger musical chapter, David Bowie's best, which started with "Pin Ups" in late 1973, then "Diamond Dogs", "Young Americans" and "Station to Station". Scene-shift to Berlin, knock the coke on the head (been there, done that), keep rocking out with great musicians, while Iggy Pop bounces around like a puppy. "Scary Monsters"? Is that part of the chapter? Hard to say.
I disagree. The Ronson years were his best
@@BluMecker-of9uy You mean you have another opinion. That’s nice. Thanks for sharing.
I like everything from space oddity up to scary monsters the best. I have always meant to familiarize myself with his later stuff, but just have not gotten into it yet. Bowie changed my life in the sense of learning more about art, music, and expression.
@@williamolsen20 thanks for sharing that. I kind of stopped listening after Let’s Dance, other music and life generally got in the way. I still listen to what I think of as his golden years, 70-80, with the albums I mentioned before top of the list. Pin Ups I really like, back to his roots, back to basics; the albums that followed mapped out a really interesting journey.
@@zandel_zandel Thanks for the comment. How nice you should mention the B52s. Apart from the early singles (and Love Shack of course) most of their material was new to me until recently. Now I rate them, in terms of musicality and invention and 'joy provision', right up there with my favourite late 70s-/80s-onwards artists. I really should give Let's Dance another try. No time like the present! Have a great day.
Mediocrities shuffle their opinions on a genius - but they would each sell their Granny.
the Nazis were stylish...seperate from there politics......and Eno never produced bowies heroes and lodger Tony Visconti did
The Stooges&Motorhead loved Nazi
Medals
Nazis had Hugo Boss design their uniforms....
Um, no, David Bowie was not the biggest pop star in the world in the 1970s. Not even close! What a strange statement to make. I'm not even sure he was the biggest pop star in England in the 1970s. Elton John was a much bigger star than David Bowie. Also Freddie Mercury? Stevie Wonder? I could go on.
The "world" is not NYC, squire. Absolutely Bowie was one of the biggest pop stars in the 1970s. As for Freddie Mercury - he was not a 1970s solo artist, he was with a band called "Queen" (!). And, Stevie Wonder? Get real?!
People in America just don't realize how popular Bowie was in the UK. He was almost like Elvis Presley over there! I've known this fact for a long time!
@Irn etc - No, don't go on. The drivel you have let run down your chin is quite enough for one video. Go home and lie down in a dark room and listen to Low - from the universe's biggest pop star.
@@impalaman9707 Much like how Marc Bolan of T Rex was a god in the UK in early 70s.....
Poorly researched. Lodger was not recorded in Berlin.
Why you do him dirty like that 7:30
Bowie borrows to Neu and Krafwerk for their creativity, modernity and European sound and vision. Nothing to do with american. Punks revolution were inspired by Neu and Kraftwerk and Bowie and enriched the world of music for decades. The same with hip hop that has stolen everything from them and sampling but made music poor.
China girl a song about Heroin ?
Kinda mediocre doc. Great to see Mobius in there and the mention of Conny Plank but no mention of Alomar? Not enough emphasis on Tony Visconti who produced the three LPs. Still any vid better than no vid. Cheers
Ok, the guy in the yellow shirt loses any and all credibility when he calls black and blue a "piss poor album", and says Zeppelin were finished by then (76).
He's right.
Keep in mind, this was a British perspective. The UK had already ceded Zeppelin to America and wanted nothing more to do with them, so in their minds---they were done. Funny enough, I'd never heard "Stairway to Heaven" being played more on the radio than in 1976, thanks in part, to the release of the tour film, "Song Remains the Same", which kept that song fresh in the minds of millions of Americans
@@impalaman9707 I suppose that's true I wasn't thinking about the huge difference in feeling for Zeppelin between the English and the US. He's still wrong about the stone's album though 😎
@@LaughingStock_ yeah Black and Blue may not have sold as well as the other Stones albums from the 70s, but it's got some good tunes on it and probably some of their best playing together as a band since sticky fingers even though it was Ron Wood's first album with them. Actually that being said he didn't even play on every song now that I think of it, they had Harvey Mandell on " hot stuff", and I think two other guys besides Ronnie on some of the other tracks. I heard either Mick or Keith in some interview refer to it as their "guitarist auditions" album...lol
You mean he had any to start with?
you poo pooed that later albumn while playing hello spaceboy one of his most iconic later songs that i dont know anyone fan or not if you throw that on in a party the place erupts like no other song
3 great albums, but so much over-analysing and fawning as you'd expect with anything Bowie-related.
What is this selfishly-claimed ''expert'' in the yellow shirt, Paolo Hewitt, babbling about? Anything he says is his own projection and judgmental exercises to let us only know what state he, himself, is in. Has nothing to do with Bowie, his life or what is being talked about. Those kinds of professional analyst ''experts'' are there because they put themselves there,,with nothing positive to say. None of us want his petty opinions! Other than that, good period and a good doc !
so much Nonsense in this video - - stopped watching at 12:10 - Been a Fan since 1974 and never missed a concert
Bowie is amazing, no question about it. But I found the man who fell to earth incredibly boring…
Sorry, definitely quite a dull era for me, the ambient material is quite thin compared to modern ambient music, Heroes the track is way too long, first three minutes beautiful, descends into a plodding dirge.
Much prefer Diamond Dogs, Man Who Sold The World and Hunky Dory.
Each to their own I suppose, all subjective, bits of the Berlin LPs flashes of brilliance - but most of this period is dull, even the artwork is grim. 🤷🏼♂️ 🤫
This documentary is way too long. The story could have been told in 30 minutes .
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Everything about Bowie was contrived and pretentious. Everything.
Very much like your comment.
Ruined by socialist soapboxing.
The Berlin trilogy wasn’t punk, wasn’t rock, wasn’t pop ….it was however a load of bollocks.
The public at the time agreed. Very poor sales compared to his other albums.
Bit of a nerd, wasn't he?
Got bored with this doc. early
THREE SHITE ALBUMS LETS ALL BE HONEST
Speak for yourself.
Bowie treated Ronno like shit. He was penniless when he died.
yeah i have heard Bowie was notoriously tight fisted when it came to paying musicians decent wages - not sure if thats true or not but i do remember going to see his Lets Dance tour and was all hyped to see the then unknown Stevie Ray Vaughn on guitar only to find that Vaughn was a last minute cut for the band as him and BOwie had differences over tour pay. Carlos Alomar was drafted in to play at the last minute.
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