What about if your vlogging on a street and it captures someone’s garden? Does that mean you’ll get sued? Absolute stupidity. What about council CCTV cameras on the street. Can we sue the council now?? Dash cams that capture the neighbours property every day we drive? Where does it stop??
Hi Asbestos, the right to privacy is a fundamental human right in the United Kingdom. So if someone is collecting someone else's personal data beyond his or her private boundary, then they must be compliant with the UK Data Protection Laws or face penalties. Thank you for your valuable insights.
@@KazientPrivacyExperts so is the council breaking the law as they capture my garden with street CCTV? Or the TH-camr who vlogs walking past my house and garden you can clearly see in his videos? Is he breaking the law? Or the 3 neighbours who’s dash cams capture me, my house/windows every morning and night as they go to and from work? Are they breaking the law?
Pretty much every TH-cam blogger video makers income stopped right there if what they record is illegal same as say 80% of street activity without blurred faces on TH-cam . Slippery slope the more you think the worst it gets. Lol !
@@KazientPrivacyExperts What about the specific question that was asked and your lack of a specific answer to the point. Moreover, if a dashcam records an illegal act that results in an accident affecting the user's car, are you suggesting that the recording cannot be used to prove the wronged party's innocence, and the faulty party's guilt?
Read the 50 page judgment, he distributed stills from the ring camera to other neighbor ours and captured sound recordings, he was not guilty of a nusience
This case also involves the camera owner threatening the single female neighbour with sending material to the Police and the camera owner lying about the uses and operation of the multiple cameras on his property - to suggest the Ring Doorbell was the sole cause is sensationalism as usual.
You used to have rights and freedoms in relation to body autonomy, that’s rapidly changing to, the Nuremberg code gave us that right, but it soon was proved it’s not worth the paper it’s written on. We seem to have lost our way over the last two years.
Paragraph 134 of that judgement..."I consider that the balance between the the legitimate interests of the defendant and the right of the claimant to privacy and a home home life are met in the relation to processing of video personal data from the ring doorbell, and I am so satisfied. That is because any video personnel data of the claimant is likely to be collected only incidentally as she walks past, unless the claimant stands on the defendant's door and rings the doorbell, and I consider his legitimate interest in protecting his home wether he is there or not are not overridden by her right to avoid such incidental collection on a public street, albeit in the vicinity of her home,...." The audio was dealt with separately as was how he handled that data once collected. So tired of these misleading reports on the judgement, bad reporting BBC.
Doorbell cameras should be banned from general sale as waste of money, as a alarm engineer and cctv engineer myself I can't understand the fascination in having smart security products
Personally it’s an invaluable asset I’ve got a CCTV system and also a Ring doorbell and find it so useful to see who’s at my door/speak to them. Yes my cameras also cover the door however getting the notification when it’s been pressed and getting an instant live video call just makes it so much easier. However, I have a Ring battery doorbell and personally for the money don’t recommend it, going to switch it for a Reolink wired cam, cheaper price and better quality!
One has to have the FULL facts not partial to understand the ruling. The fact that the person involved with the camera was in breech due to several cameras and harassing the neighbour with threats as well. Nothing to do with just having a ring doorbell.
If it's locally stored not wifi nor over the internet. You plot & scheme towards them to bully them to move out or seek arrest, I say keep it rolling back up often.
That's why I don't point my camera at someone else house. Even if they got incident with their property --it is none of my business. The other day, people broke into their home, and they, including the police, asked me if I recorded anything on my CCTV; I said no and showed them the footage on my phone, which didn't point to their property. Better safe than sorry.
i have a ring security camera and the audio quality is dreadfull , the image quality is also questionable as it cannot even show my own number plate when my van is parked outside my house that is only about 8 metres from the camera
Thing about a ring doorbell is they have a range finder type system on them and you can turn the sensitivity of the device down ? Look at the settings....peace.
The doorbell cam is always recording and gathering your data. You're not the only one who has access to it. Everything you say and do in front of it is permanently stored on a database. I hope the dummies who buy them soon realise that.
I have a doorbell camera I first got it to keep me safe from my old neighbour. See , in 2020 I was the victim of a sex crime perpetrated against me by my neighbours son . They threatened me daily to keep me quiet so I got it for proof of what they were doing for police, unfortunately the police are so is that now if we the victim don’t have proof then they do nothing , as in my case . Without my camera at that time I dread to think what they’d have done to me . It was the only deterrent
So how does it work when video with your using a smartphone or car dash cam..you want to be lucky you don't live in China..what is happening to the world
The point was not that the guy has cameras it was he was recording the ladies conversations and threatening to send them to the police which was harassment. So typical news report, complete unaccountable bullshit with no fact checking and a lack of follow up
So is the main issue here that the cameras caught footage and audio from the neightbours private property? As I was under the the impression that UK law states in a public area you have no right or expectation to privacy.
This is absolute tripe you have no right to privacy in a public space as long as it’s not intentionally looking into someone’s private space i.e. windows no has been broken if it’s visible from a public area it’s fair game. the fact that this argument is still going on is mind-boggling there is so much information online about it especially on TH-cam. There should be no doubt in anyone’s mind.
Cctv does not record forty meters down the road. Never record excess footage, make sure it is stuff in your property. Not other people, simple. However if people can phone you on a bus, is this balanced law? However, if you are filming local stalkers you can keep the footage, as it is being used to detect crime. It is normally stalkers who have the problem.😂
The only odd bit to me is the "not to look over PUBLIC area " , However it is not against the law to take photo's OR film anyone in a pubic area.. There is not an assumption of privicy in a pulic place .. I agree fully with the other points , well made. There is no reason to record sound normaly. As a photographer for over 30 years and involved with cctv for over 20 years I am fairly up on the leagal side, BUT I am no expert !
Absolute Bollocks because if this is the case all doorbell cameras will be breaking the same laws. Whoever this person is who has been fined this is clearly a witch hunt that he’s been unlucky enough to fall foul of yet his neighbours will get away with the same issue.
What about the mobile speed camera…..they took my photo and it’s my basic human right for them to let me know they are hiding behind a bush…….i want my 100k please
There defo psycho's out there recording there neighbours & listening in to every thing they can pick up. Sad but true, I know a crazy ex con lady who did it on a frends street. She had a surveillance room set up with head phones taking note of every one who went in & out of this other ladys house & had logs of audio recordings.
Excellent the council can no longer record me in public and ANPR must now be illegal as well now!
You have no right to privacy in public
I wanted to write exactly this. Private and public are mutually exclusive.
Why not, are you just regurgitating what your favorite youtubers say?
What about if your vlogging on a street and it captures someone’s garden? Does that mean you’ll get sued? Absolute stupidity.
What about council CCTV cameras on the street. Can we sue the council now??
Dash cams that capture the neighbours property every day we drive? Where does it stop??
Hi Asbestos, the right to privacy is a fundamental human right in the United Kingdom. So if someone is collecting someone else's personal data beyond his or her private boundary, then they must be compliant with the UK Data Protection Laws or face penalties. Thank you for your valuable insights.
@@KazientPrivacyExperts so is the council breaking the law as they capture my garden with street CCTV?
Or the TH-camr who vlogs walking past my house and garden you can clearly see in his videos? Is he breaking the law?
Or the 3 neighbours who’s dash cams capture me, my house/windows every morning and night as they go to and from work? Are they breaking the law?
Pretty much every TH-cam blogger video makers income stopped right there if what they record is illegal same as say 80% of street activity without blurred faces on TH-cam . Slippery slope the more you think the worst it gets. Lol !
@@KazientPrivacyExperts everyone also has the right to film/photograph on their private property and indeed in public property.
@@KazientPrivacyExperts What about the specific question that was asked and your lack of a specific answer to the point. Moreover, if a dashcam records an illegal act that results in an accident affecting the user's car, are you suggesting that the recording cannot be used to prove the wronged party's innocence, and the faulty party's guilt?
Driving passed someone’s house with a dash cam isn’t the same as having a permanent camera installed looking at someone else 24/7.
From what I understand, they are triggered by an activation zone and don’t film 24/7 like a traditional CCTV camera in public.
Say goodbye to dashcams, and all the laws apply to external cctv.
Thank you Ellerosse for sharing your insights.
Read the 50 page judgment, he distributed stills from the ring camera to other neighbor ours and captured sound recordings, he was not guilty of a nusience
We understand your concern, Steve. Thanks for the valuable comments though!
This case also involves the camera owner threatening the single female neighbour with sending material to the Police and the camera owner lying about the uses and operation of the multiple cameras on his property - to suggest the Ring Doorbell was the sole cause is sensationalism as usual.
i can see into my property on google earth, can i have google fined?
That's a photo but nice try
@@jaybiedayy3347 what about if i spot someone with a reversing camera turning in my driveway? or a dash camera? just being devils advocate here..
You used to have rights and freedoms in relation to body autonomy, that’s rapidly changing to, the Nuremberg code gave us that right, but it soon was proved it’s not worth the paper it’s written on. We seem to have lost our way over the last two years.
Paragraph 134 of that judgement..."I consider that the balance between the the legitimate interests of the defendant and the right of the claimant to privacy and a home home life are met in the relation to processing of video personal data from the ring doorbell, and I am so satisfied. That is because any video personnel data of the claimant is likely to be collected only incidentally as she walks past, unless the claimant stands on the defendant's door and rings the doorbell, and I consider his legitimate interest in protecting his home wether he is there or not are not overridden by her right to avoid such incidental collection on a public street, albeit in the vicinity of her home,...."
The audio was dealt with separately as was how he handled that data once collected.
So tired of these misleading reports on the judgement, bad reporting BBC.
The bbc don’t talk about their license being frozen. Thank god the tv license is ending. It time for change and not be fed biased news.
Doorbell cameras should be banned from general sale as waste of money, as a alarm engineer and cctv engineer myself I can't understand the fascination in having smart security products
Personally it’s an invaluable asset I’ve got a CCTV system and also a Ring doorbell and find it so useful to see who’s at my door/speak to them. Yes my cameras also cover the door however getting the notification when it’s been pressed and getting an instant live video call just makes it so much easier. However, I have a Ring battery doorbell and personally for the money don’t recommend it, going to switch it for a Reolink wired cam, cheaper price and better quality!
Total joke 100k.
There must more to this incident then we’re told.
A lot of people share your sentiments Bill
True ,maybe they were filming /recording the neighbor due to unusual behaviour for evidence 🤔.
Where do we stand in that situation
@@compostcorner5934 or the filmer is a peeping Tom/ perv
Speed cameras?? ANPR?? Shop security cameras???
One has to have the FULL facts not partial to understand the ruling. The fact that the person involved with the camera was in breech due to several cameras and harassing the neighbour with threats as well. Nothing to do with just having a ring doorbell.
If it's locally stored not wifi nor over the internet. You plot & scheme towards them to bully them to move out or seek arrest, I say keep it rolling back up often.
That's why I don't point my camera at someone else house. Even if they got incident with their property --it is none of my business. The other day, people broke into their home, and they, including the police, asked me if I recorded anything on my CCTV; I said no and showed them the footage on my phone, which didn't point to their property. Better safe than sorry.
i have a ring security camera and the audio quality is dreadfull , the image quality is also questionable as it cannot even show my own number plate when my van is parked outside my house that is only about 8 metres from the camera
Thing about a ring doorbell is they have a range finder type system on them and you can turn the sensitivity of the device down ? Look at the settings....peace.
The doorbell cam is always recording and gathering your data. You're not the only one who has access to it. Everything you say and do in front of it is permanently stored on a database. I hope the dummies who buy them soon realise that.
I have a doorbell camera
I first got it to keep me safe from my old neighbour.
See , in 2020 I was the victim of a sex crime perpetrated against me by my neighbours son .
They threatened me daily to keep me quiet so I got it for proof of what they were doing for police, unfortunately the police are so is that now if we the victim don’t have proof then they do nothing , as in my case .
Without my camera at that time I dread to think what they’d have done to me . It was the only deterrent
So how does it work when video with your using a smartphone or car dash cam..you want to be lucky you don't live in China..what is happening to the world
So recoding from your house is now harassment
The law in this country is insane, completely stupid too I'm leaving
The point was not that the guy has cameras it was he was recording the ladies conversations and threatening to send them to the police which was harassment. So typical news report, complete unaccountable bullshit with no fact checking and a lack of follow up
Yet another judge who is a menace to common sense.
Exactly 💯
Your allowed to archive the information. Organisations Archive their footage just Incas they need it. Police never deleted their body cams.
That's ok great, a judge let's more real criminals getaway with real crimes...
So is the main issue here that the cameras caught footage and audio from the neightbours private property? As I was under the the impression that UK law states in a public area you have no right or expectation to privacy.
Bullshit, data protection law my arse. You ARE allowed to film in PUBLIC as long as it's not for commercial use .
This is absolute tripe you have no right to privacy in a public space as long as it’s not intentionally looking into someone’s private space i.e. windows no has been broken if it’s visible from a public area it’s fair game. the fact that this argument is still going on is mind-boggling there is so much information online about it especially on TH-cam. There should be no doubt in anyone’s mind.
Just another way to insure the Dirt Bag Criminals have a chance !!! I thought the US had ridiculous laws to protect Criminals!!
Cctv does not record forty meters down the road. Never record excess footage, make sure it is stuff in your property. Not other people, simple. However if people can phone you on a bus, is this balanced law? However, if you are filming local stalkers you can keep the footage, as it is being used to detect crime. It is normally stalkers who have the problem.😂
The only odd bit to me is the "not to look over PUBLIC area " , However it is not against the law to take photo's OR film anyone in a pubic area.. There is not an assumption of privicy in a pulic place .. I agree fully with the other points , well made. There is no reason to record sound normaly.
As a photographer for over 30 years and involved with cctv for over 20 years I am fairly up on the leagal side, BUT I am no expert !
I'm sure filming someone in a 'pubic area' may cause problems... LOL
Well explained.
Thank you Shahan
Absolute Bollocks because if this is the case all doorbell cameras will be breaking the same laws.
Whoever this person is who has been fined this is clearly a witch hunt that he’s been unlucky enough to fall foul of yet his neighbours will get away with the same issue.
What about the mobile speed camera…..they took my photo and it’s my basic human right for them to let me know they are hiding behind a bush…….i want my 100k please
yep- lets help the villains yet again.......
There defo psycho's out there recording there neighbours & listening in to every thing they can pick up. Sad but true, I know a crazy ex con lady who did it on a frends street. She had a surveillance room set up with head phones taking note of every one who went in & out of this other ladys house & had logs of audio recordings.
Britain 🇬🇧 is lost
just anouther "Audit"
I wish the U.S. had laws like this.
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